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I think I am done with the season....

Say Watt said:
But hey, don't let me piss in your cheerios!
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Yet aren't you trying to do just that? In everyone's bowl?

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This is a failing organization with a management structure that simply doesn't work. Until the management is fixed, we'll always be a mediocre franchise
If it's never going to change, why continue supporting them?[/QUOTE]



:D Sorry if I've misinterpreted
 
ObsiWan said:
Oh I agree. No underling, no matter how high up the chain of command they are, will make a major purchase/deal without getting approval from the guy that owns the business.
The diff - I think - is whether the owner is signing on to a deal setup by the folks he's paying to make those calls (because of their expertise/experience) or whether he's actually making those calls himself and dictating to his staff "this is what we we're going to do".
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Sure. And I think McNair has gotten backwards on both we know for sure - Carr and Reed. Hopefully he learned.

When McNair described his boardroom mentality he made a comment most are ignoring. Said he would decide if the HC and GM couldn't decide. Then said it had never come up. Smith and OB work this stuff out rather than take it to dad.
 
JB said:
Yet aren't you trying to do just that? In everyone's bowl?

:D Sorry if I've misinterpreted
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I'm posting in a thread about being done with the season. I think you should expect to see a lot of pissing in cheerios. I'd advise not coming to this thread if that concerns you.

But really what it comes down to for me is I'm simply talking out my thoughts. I'm a fan just like everyone else. But I'm a fan that's tired of the direction this franchise is headed, and I'm tired of allowing myself to get pissed off about a team that's simply always going to provide more to be pissed off about than to celebrate. So no, my goal isn't to ruin your homer parade. It's to simply write out my own thoughts, read other opinions, and come to a conclusion about how much longer I'm going to support this organization, especially emotionally and financially.

I'm a grown ass man. I have a family. I have a great job. All this fandom crap is the stuff of children. At the end of the day, this is entertainment and because of how this organization is run from top to bottom, they simply don't provide a very entertaining product.
 
I can't completely blame the Texans for my growing apathy. My outlook on the world has changed and I have become increasingly interested in national and global politics. Coincidentally my interest in politics increased during the Bill Clinton administration which coincided with no NFL team in Houston. I shifted more and more interest from sports to politics. Then the Texans came along while I was living in Minnesota. Very rarely, over the first 7 years of Texans football could I even watch the Texans. They just weren't televised up there unless they were playing the Packers or Vikings; and the Texans have lost every game against those two teams except one in 2008.
 
JB said:
No it wasn't Schaub, just like it isn't just Osweiler now... teams and qb's on a total different level, not comparing them
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There is no defending Oz at this point. Its beyond ridiculous. He isn't some rookie or 2nd year player. He has been a complete bust here in Houston, and its very unfortunate that OB and Smith were fooled by the potential they saw in him. This is maybe the worst offense I've watched from any Texans team. I gave Oz a nice cushion to have some growing pains in the first 6 games or so, but he has regressed miserably from games one and two. He isn't going to turn things around. This is who he is.
 
infantrycak said:
Sure. And I think McNair has gotten backwards on both we know for sure - Carr and Reed. Hopefully he learned.

When McNair described his boardroom mentality he made a comment most are ignoring. Said he would decide if the HC and GM couldn't decide. Then said it had never come up. Smith and OB work this stuff out rather than take it to dad.
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Pretty much how I see the Texans front office going most of the time. I'm sure every now and then Mcnair feels strongly about something and gets involved to an extent (Whatever it may be), but I don't think that Mcnair wants that burden. He seems timid of it to me and always has been which is why I think he has always been so fearful and worrisome about having to let go of Rick Smith. The thought of a new GM and a new personality coming in there and being heavily involved in Mcnair's business life makes him uncomfortable, and as far as the NFL business goes I think that Mcnair wants to feel comfort in the Texans. Smith is easy to get along with, soft spoken, and not a larger than life personality like plenty of other GM's are so I think that Smith feels that void well for what Mcnair desires.
 
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Texecutioner said:
There is no defending Oz at this point. Its beyond ridiculous. He isn't some rookie or 2nd year player. He has been a complete bust here in Houston, and its very unfortunate that OB and Smith were fooled by the potential they saw in him. This is maybe the worst offense I've watched from any Texans team. I gave Oz a nice cushion to have some growing pains in the first 6 games or so, but he has regressed miserably from games one and two. He isn't going to turn things around. This is who he is.
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Wouldn't think of defending him, but I do think that he can improve.

And I don't think that he is alone to blame in his failings. I think OB/Godsey and the OL as well as receivers have to own their share. I'm hoping it does improve or the Texans are starting over again
 
JB said:
You have to answer that for yourself.

I'm a Houstonian, I follow all Houston teams to some degree or other. I especially like football and the NFL, so that means the Texans. Hope for the best but if it don't happen, I ain't gonna die about it. Odds are, they will over time be just like all the other Houston teams. Win now and then, have good an bad years, good and bad players/coaches. Oh wait, all sports teams are like that. Even the Patriots/Steelers/Yankees
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That is the question each fan has to ask themselves: what do you do when your entertainment no longer entertains you?

For a football fan, you just endure it...and enjoy watching better teams play good football. As an NFL fan, I live for January.

What scares me is finding myself enjoying watching the Cowboys a helluva' lot more than the Texans this season....

...and not rooting against them. :eek:

The truth is that a lot of Houston pro football fans are scarred. I admit to it. I have a hard time not being cynical and jaded, and it's obviously not all on the Texans for 15 seasons. This is something that goes way back for many of us.

And yeah, disclaimer that none of this is real life. But, this is a football conversation so there is certainly nothing wrong with being honest with ourselves when chatting with virtual friends that share much of the same history. Birds of a feather and all that stuff.

infantrycak said:
Sure. And I think McNair has gotten backwards on both we know for sure - Carr and Reed. Hopefully he learned.

When McNair described his boardroom mentality he made a comment most are ignoring. Said he would decide if the HC and GM couldn't decide. Then said it had never come up. Smith and OB work this stuff out rather than take it to dad.
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I think that was Bob McNair's stock answer.

In a 2015 pre-draft article, Bob and Cal provided much more insight into their front office:

Bob and Cal McNair take a balanced approach in draft prep

Excerpts:

As draft prep intensifies, he and his son Cal take a hands-on, but balanced approach in the Texans' pre-draft process. The philosophy and strategy run through the elder McNair, but he's loosening the reins a bit these days.

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Typically where I get involved is more when we’re talking in a meeting with dad, Rick, Bill O’Brien and myself -- that level," Cal McNair said.

There's an exchange of ideas at that level, and an effort to reach a consensus.

"There have been times where there have been areas of disagreements where we were able to sit down and discuss it and convince everybody this is the right way to go," Bob McNair said. "We listen to everybody. It’s not just an autocratic process. ... If I did that, why would I need the other people? If you’re not going to listen to them. I think it’s important to listen. Their vantage point is different than my vantage point. They might have seen something I didn’t see. I might have seen something they didn’t see."
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I guess what I do not understand is why someone trying to understand how the front office works is considered taboo, conspiracy theory, critical, or whatever nonsense by other fans.

It is simply trying to get a clear understanding of the franchise that we follow.

They are not above questions. They are not the Wizard of Oz. Maybe some fans like to be Dorothy on the yellow brick road, but I'd rather be informed and educated with as much information as I can obtain. It's an on-going process with a front office as secretive and seemingly above accountability as the Texans, but we are getting more information over time.

I have read several books about the Oilers and how Bud Adams ran his franchise. I find it interesting as a fan, but also needed for me to really adjust my expectations as a fan.

I want nothing more than to see our team win a championship. I have neither the desire to turn anyone against them nor any sort of agenda to convince others of my perspectives. I guess this is part that I just don't get. The mentality of "attack the message, not the poster" is being lost with this forum. And just like the Texans, the entertainment value of even being here is slowly fading away.
 
Double Barrel said:
I guess what I do not understand is why someone trying to understand how the front office works is considered taboo, conspiracy theory, critical, or whatever nonsense by other fans.

It is simply trying to get a clear understanding of the franchise that we follow.

They are not above questions. They are not the Wizard of Oz. Maybe some fans like to be Dorothy on the yellow brick road, but I'd rather be informed and educated with as much information as I can obtain. It's an on-going process with a front office as secretive and seemingly above accountability as the Texans, but we are getting more information over time.
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You're entitled to ask. They are no more obligated than Exxon to answer. Hell we just elected a president who defied 4 decades of disclosure. You don't get to know all you want. You're like me, approaching 50, you should know this.
 
Brock is for sure guaranteed to play out this season but he should feel some heat next season. I can stomach what is left of this season knowing that should Brock continue to suck he most likely will run out of the long rope they gave him this season. Surely they won't put us fans through more of this misery into next season.
 
I still believe Brock's confidence in himself is why he became the Houston Texans quarterback and showed "something" in those games for Denver. The issue is that B.Ob doesn't have confidence in Brock (rightfully so), nor does Brock have confidence in B.Ob's/Godsey's play calling (rightfully so). Both would be much better off without the other. Issue is we have won enough that they will have to figure it out or burn the house down while they try. Brady and B.Ob had similar issues, but Brady is one of the G.O.A.T. and Osweiler is well...Peyton=Sheriff.... Brock=Deputy .. Deputy Dog. "He always catches the bad guy despite his ineptitude." Sounds like Brock and the Texans this year.IMG_1042.JPGIMG_1043.PNG
 
Double Barrel said:
I know with Elway, the Bowlen family has given him full power for all operational decisions. An interview I saw after they won the Super Bowl talked about the decisions that Elway makes, and it all starts with him with regards to who will be HC, assistant coaches, and all the way down to players, trainers, etc. The story said the Bowlens have complete confidence in Elway running their franchise. For instance, he did not need their approval to fire John Fox and hire Kubiak (although I have no doubt that he most likely consulted with them to keep them informed). To me, that's some serious G.M. power.
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Whoa now! The Donks' situation is a little different since their owner has alzheimer disease. So yeah, I could see how the Bowlen family would trust Elway over Pat, who probably doesn't even remember who Elway is anymore.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Surely they won't put us fans through more of this misery into next season.
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One way or the other, fans better get used to it. if Brock doesn't work out, we're likely to draft a QB. & it most likely won't be the guy we want them to draft & he'll most probably struggle for 13 or more games.
 
thunderkyss said:
One way or the other, fans better get used to it. if Brock doesn't work out, we're likely to draft a QB. & it most likely won't be the guy we want them to draft & he'll most probably struggle for 13 or more games.
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yeah we could be Cleveland very fast at that rate
 
thunderkyss said:
One way or the other, fans better get used to it. if Brock doesn't work out, we're likely to draft a QB. & it most likely won't be the guy we want them to draft & he'll most probably struggle for 13 or more games.
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Not nessecarily if he comes with a new GM & Coach who understand these things.

For hypothetical purposes only;

What if McNair cleans house & gets Peyton Manning to be the next GM for the Texans? I would argue he would put the Texans on a faster track than Elway did the Broncos.

Just hypothetical, which only adds to fans apathy that Texans are tied to Rick Smith, Bill O'Brian & Brock :texflag:
 
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JB said:
Not sure why you would think this. Manning has neither the business nor the football background of Elway at this point
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How did you reach this conclusion. Dude played nearly 20 years in the NFL and was, for the most part, successful. Don't believe me, check how many times his name is in the record books. There's no way, like Elway, he won't be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

And, business-wise, he is part owner in two Budweiser distributorships in Louisiana and is owner of 20+ Papa John's pizza franchises in Denver. LINK
Anyway, you don't get in on deals like that without some kind of head for business.
I think Elway's "business experience" comes from car dealerships and steak houses in Colorado.

And having spent nearly 20 years as a top-tier NFL QB (until he got old) I would think he'd know NFL-quality talent when he sees it. He certainly would recognize guys with work ethic and a fire for the game like he had.

Point is, if Elway can pull it off, I think Manning could too. And, further, he'd be driven to out-do Elway in building a superb owl-quality team.
It would be just one more thing he and Elway can go head-to-head at. :D

Question is: does he want the stress that comes with that job. He certainly doesn't need the money.
 
ObsiWan said:
How did you reach this conclusion. Dude played nearly 20 years in the NFL and was, for the most part, successful. Don't believe me, check how many times his name is in the record books. There's no way, like Elway, he won't be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

And, business-wise, he is part owner in two Budweiser distributorships in Louisiana and is owner of 20+ Papa John's pizza franchises in Denver. LINK
Anyway, you don't get in on deals like that without some kind of head for business.
I think Elway's "business experience" comes from car dealerships and steak houses in Colorado.

And having spent nearly 20 years as a top-tier NFL QB (until he got old) I would think he'd know NFL-quality talent when he sees it. He certainly would recognize guys with work ethic and a fire for the game like he had.

Point is, if Elway can pull it off, I think Manning could too. And, further, he'd be driven to out-do Elway in building a superb owl-quality team.
It would be just one more thing he and Elway can go head-to-head at. :D

Question is: does he want the stress that comes with that job. He certainly doesn't need the money.
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OK, Manning has a football pedigree and has successful business ventures. Not saying he would be a failure, but the claim was made that he would build a SB winner faster than Elway. Which was 4 years.

For 7 years Elway was an owner in the AFL and served for a few years as the chairman of the executive committee. He also served for one year as VP of Operations (without GM responsibilities) in his first year with the Broncos. He came into his current GM role with a healthy amount of football operations experience.
 
sandman said:
OK, Manning has a football pedigree and has successful business ventures. Not saying he would be a failure, but the claim was made that he would build a SB winner faster than Elway. Which was 4 years.

For 7 years Elway was an owner in the AFL and served for a few years as the chairman of the executive committee. He also served for one year as VP of Operations (without GM responsibilities) in his first year with the Broncos. He came into his current GM role with a healthy amount of football operations experience.
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I'll concede that point.
Maybe I misread the post. I thought he was saying (in the post I responded to) that Manning couldn't get it done. Faster than Elway achieved it? Probably not.
And, to be honest, I'm not convinced Manning would fit into McNair's boardroom way of doing things. Manning seems like he'd want total control.
 
ObsiWan said:
I'll concede that point.
Maybe I misread the post. I thought he was saying (in the post I responded to) that Manning couldn't get it done. Faster than Elway achieved it? Probably not.
And, to be honest, I'm not convinced Manning would fit into McNair's boardroom way of doing things. Manning seems like he'd want total control.
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I definitely think that if Manning wanted to go that direction, he could be successful. Just not sure that he wants that, and I agree that he is alpha enough to want total control.
 
ObsiWan said:
I'll concede that point.
Maybe I misread the post. I thought he was saying (in the post I responded to) that Manning couldn't get it done. Faster than Elway achieved it? Probably not.
And, to be honest, I'm not convinced Manning would fit into McNair's boardroom way of doing things. Manning seems like he'd want total control.
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yeah it was the faster than Elway part I was commenting on
 
Geez fellas, point was, to clean house.

My example, in reference to "faster than Elway" is based on Several Things. Drilling down to just one specific, personal attribute between two Hall of fame QB's (soon to be in Mannings case) I've never seen a QB with higher football acume and nobody better prepared. Nobody. Elway was blessed with incredible physical gifts. Both equally competive just done in different ways.

This might not be as hypothetical if McNair had made the move to acquire Manning when he was a free agent, post Colts. Then Denver/Elway might not have had their back to back Super Bowl runs. Texans could have been relevant? Then moved to GM post retirement, even accommodating Rick Smith to new role of President of Operations or something, whatever like it really matters now.

All I know is something big has got to happen to break this viscous cycle that keeps repeating itself, every 4-6 years.
 
Texian said:
To save face. To bench Brock now would be an admittance of a huge mistake of epic proportions. The decision to sign Osweiler was as much or more Bob McNair's than it was O'Brien or Smith. Not only did the decision screw up 2016 but it will have the same effect on 2017 as well.
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That's ALWAYS been the problem with the Texans. They kept Carr around way too long for the same reason.
 
corytx8 said:
I am back in it now that they have finally bench the Blizzard of Oz and I am finished with school. Let's do this!


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Texecutioner said:
I think he'd do both possibly, but more as a GM.
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I'm shocked he hasn't found his way into the broadcast booth. About 10 years ago, when he was still with the Colts, CBS had him on as guest commentator during the bye week. They asked to analyze current games being played that day and he was a natural at it.

I guess all those damn Nationwide commercials have sapped his appeal.
 
Well, I'm kinda almost sorta maybe back. Depends on what happens Christmas Eve, so keep my seat in this thread warm. I'll either sit in it or sh!t in it after the game Saturday. :lol:
 
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