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How about Tony Romo in Houston

jradMIT said:
I think Romo is a guy that will play well in any offense at this point. He's demonstrated a high level of play in latter half of his career even with some drop off would be more than enough to get the job done with this defense. He doesn't have some sort of glaring weakness that a system needs to compensate for, so as long as he is healthy the offense will be able to move the ball.

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For those of us incapable of following closely or retaining anything, what's the Dallas offensive scheme and how it compares to Bohunk's ham-fisted version of the Pats scheme? And while you're at it, how does the Pats current scheme compare to Billy's bohunk scheme (got to use that word twice).
 
thunderkyss said:
If a future 2nd is worth freeing up $10M on this year's cap, surely a converted 6th is worth taking on Romo's current contract.
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Perhaps, perhaps not. Maybe they wanted him on their terms... if they do want him
 
TripleTap said:
For those of us incapable of following closely or retaining anything, what's the Dallas offensive scheme and how it compares to Bohunk's ham-fisted version of the Pats scheme? And while you're at it, how does the Pats current scheme compare to Billy's bohunk scheme (got to use that word twice).
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They run Air Coryell.

Our E-P is a pale version of NE. In particular we seem unable to run the drags and slants that get so much YAC and allow Brady to get the ball out fast - you know, the crap they eat our lunch with.
 
infantrycak said:
They run Air Coryell.

Our E-P is a pale version of NE. In particular we seem unable to run the drags and slants that get so much YAC and allow Brady to get the ball out fast - you know, the crap they eat our lunch with.
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That's because Osweiler sucks , that wind up and his lack of accuracy means he cant make those throws in real time .... on time and in the right place.
 
Corrosion said:
Yeah , a broken down Manning .... post neck injury , WON A SUPERBOWL.
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Wow, it seems there is a lot of love for Gary Kubiak on this board. If I recall there was not so much love prior to his getting fired.

I get it though. Gary coached us to our most success.

I had my issues with the way Gary ran the team prior to his being fired but I felt he deserved one more season to see if he could turn things around.
 
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Speedy said:
Say what you want about OB's offense, the play-calling, design, whatever, Brock's long windup, bad reads, and inaccuracy didn't have anything to do with any of that. That guy was just bad. Period.

Fitzpatrick had 17 TD to 8 INT, 8.0 Y/A and a 95.3 passer rating in this offense. Hell, Hoyer had 19 TD, 7 INT, 7.1 Y/A and a 91.4 passer rating. If those guys could look halfway decent at times in this offense, something Brock never did in it, then I'm sure a seasoned veteran of Romo's caliber would be just fine.
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All I know is that Brock got his big contract with our Texans because of the promise he showed while in Denver the season before. It is not like Brock had never played and the team just took a wild shot in the dark.

His long wind up and all the other issues you point to should have prevented him from having any suitors. We got Brock before he was damaged goods and Denver had a legit interest in paying him a fair amount to stay. It is not like Denver just said F-it this kid is not worth it. If that was the case Brock would not have been paid near as much as what he was.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
All I know is that Brock got his big contract with our Texans because of the promise he showed while in Denver the season before. It is not like Brock had never played and the team just took a wild shot in the dark.

His long wind up and all the other issues you point to should have prevented him from having any suitors. We got Brock before he was damaged goods and Denver had a legit interest in paying him a fair amount to stay. It is not like Denver just said F-it this kid is not worth it. If that was the case Brock would not have been paid near as much as what he was.
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It was just an overall bad talent evaluation by Smith or whoever was responsible for going after him. I don't care enough to go back and watch film of Brock in 2015 and see if he had the same issues putting the ball on receivers he had here or not.

I will say that Demaryius Thomas' numbers drop with Os at QB. Thomas has a 60.7% career catch rate, had a 60.3 in 2014. In the games Brock started that catch rate dropped to 49%. Even with a bad Peyton Manning in the same season his catch rate was 65%.

60% career, 65% with bad Manning, 49% with Brock. Brock sucked even in Denver and the Texans talent evaluation team sucks just as bad.
 
http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/what-to-do-with-tony-romo-620/

Should the Cowboys trade Tony Romo prior to June 1st, they would be responsible for all $19.6M of the dead cap in 2017. It would behoove them to wait until after 6/1 to process this transaction to allow the dead cap to spread out into $10.7M in 2017, and $8.9M in 2018.
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If we like Romo's contract, it seems like a win win to wait until June 2 to complete a trade. Wondering if this isn't being discussed or already agreed to behind the scenes.
 
DX-TEX said:
Florio: Jerry Jones Doesn't Want Texans Dominating Media Coverage

Read more: http://sports790.iheart.com/onair/t...es-doesnt-want-texans-15652018/#ixzz4bVBuaECk

More validation to my theory that Jerruh doesnt want Romo in Houston
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That may be true but the Cowboys also have all the leverage. The lack of FA activity by the Texans points to us waiting on Romo. Cowboys don't need to cut Romo immediately so they can hold on for a while and hold us hostage. Jerry may be doing it because he doesn't want us to get the media attention but it's also beneficial for now because it apparently puts all our plans on hold for the moment.
 
JB said:
They could accomplish the same thing by designating him a June 1st cut... they have to be hoping to get a pick
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Agreed, but if we like his contract and don't feel like we can negotiate a better one - it's a win for us as well. I'm not saying that we've had a June 2 trade in place from the get go -- but it's possible that it has or will evolve into that.
 
WolverineFan said:
That may be true but the Cowboys also have all the leverage. The lack of FA activity by the Texans points to us waiting on Romo. Cowboys don't need to cut Romo immediately so they can hold on for a while and hold us hostage. Jerry may be doing it because he doesn't want us to get the media attention but it's also beneficial for now because it apparently puts all our plans on hold for the moment.
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Thats all great until off season activities start in April and Tony shows up with a media entourage in tow. Then like Florio said earlier: what if Romo shows up and tears an achilles while running on a treadmill?
 
DX-TEX said:
Thats all great until off season activities start in April and Tony shows up with a media entourage in tow. Then like Florio said earlier: what if Romo shows up and tears an achilles while running on a treadmill?
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He won't make it to OTA's in Dallas. He will be gone by then, but that's weeks from now. Until then he can keep us in a holding pattern while we wait it out and all the decent FA's get picked up.

Honestly if this is the way we want to go then we should just flip a pick for him (say a 4th or 5th) and be done with it so we can get that contract on the books and then start making moves with the leftover space.

I mean that is the reason we traded a high pick for cap space is it not?
 
Max said:
http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/what-to-do-with-tony-romo-620/



If we like Romo's contract, it seems like a win win to wait until June 2 to complete a trade. Wondering if this isn't being discussed or already agreed to behind the scenes.
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It's beneficial for Dallas to wait.

It's of no benefit to us.

Maybe we'll agree to waiting until June 1st to help Dallas, but it doesn't help us to wait. The number, his 2017 salary is the same before/after June 1st.
 
thunderkyss said:
It's beneficial for Dallas to wait.

It's of no benefit to us.

Maybe we'll agree to waiting until June 1st to help Dallas, but it doesn't help us to wait. The number, his 2017 salary is the same before/after June 1st.
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Like WolverineFan said they won't take it all the way to June. If.he hangs a toenail in OTAs they're on the hook for his whole salary this year.

Frankly I kind of wish they would push it past the draft so the Texans have to draft without considering him. That's if they can't do a trade for that Brown's 4th or later.
 
infantrycak said:
If.he hangs a toenail in OTAs they're on the hook for his whole salary this year.
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Not if a trade is completed though, right? But yes, I see the risk they're taking of being on the hook for 2017 salary if the trade doesn't go through. So why are they wanting to do a trade rather than a June 1st cut given that:
Should the Cowboys trade Tony Romo prior to June 1st, they would be responsible for all $19.6M of the dead cap in 2017. It would behoove them to wait until after 6/1 to process this transaction to allow the dead cap to spread out into $10.7M in 2017, and $8.9M in 2018.
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? Seems like they need the cap space now.
 
infantrycak said:
Like WolverineFan said they won't take it all the way to June. If.he hangs a toenail in OTAs they're on the hook for his whole salary this year.
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True, I was just trying to tell Max he got that whole June 1st thing wrong without telling him he's got the whole June 1st thing wrong.
 
Corrosion said:
As a free agent he wouldn't .... But if Jerrah Traded him to the Browns , aint nothing Romo could do about it , other than retire.
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No way in hell that happens. The fallout and Jerry's reputation with his players would be seriously damaged.
 
Max said:
Not if a trade is completed though, right? But yes, I see the risk they're taking of being on the hook for 2017 salary if the trade doesn't go through. So why are they wanting to do a trade rather than a June 1st cut given that:
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Correct but his trade value goes down, possibly to nothing, if he gets hurt.

On the June 1st issue, who knows, maybe they want to take their lumps this year and leave the books more open next season. I'm glad the Texans didn't go June 1st with Oz for that reason.
 
The thing is Jerry is hurting his own team. He might not want the Texans to get better, and/or get media coverage, but the Cowboys are in a worse cap situation than the Texans. By holding onto Romo, they are totally hamstrung on going after even a middling FA acquisition. So, he's hurting the Cowboys ability to better his own team because of his wounded ego or pride? Does Jerry Jones own the team or Donald Trump?
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Wow, it seems there is a lot of love for Gary Kubiak on this board. If I recall there was not so much love prior to his getting fired.

I get it though. Gary coached us to our most success.

I had my issues with the way Gary ran the team prior to his being fired but I felt he deserved one more season to see if he could turn things around.
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In this case , yes Gary is family.
 
It appears that Tony is in a position to take the necessary time to weigh his options. One would be to be available to teams like the Texans or Broncos. It doesn't seem that going to a place like Cleveland would be worth uprooting. He just built a massive mansion expecting third child, seems to have invested his money very well and is very wealthy. He could opt for broadcasting to commentate on football or golf, try his skills at golf since he is said to be quite good, or play football. I guess with so much to think about, it would take longer to explore the best decision to make.
 
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TxnsJuggernaut said:
Wow, it seems there is a lot of love for Gary Kubiak on this board. If I recall there was not so much love prior to his getting fired.

I get it though. Gary coached us to our most success.

I had my issues with the way Gary ran the team prior to his being fired but I felt he deserved one more season to see if he could turn things around.
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hmmm... join date of Aug 24, 2016

Perhaps you were on another board?
 
With an improved line, Savage should be able to hand ball off with only some passes. We should have RBs to run fairly well. We can draft a power runner if Blue, Miller and perhaps Hilliard cannot do it.
 
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Corrosion said:
I'm not saying he is or anything of the sort .... Just that IF he did , there is nothing Romo could do about it.
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He could retire, and I'm guessing if he were traded to Cleveland, the odds of that happening would increase. I'm also guessing that even as clueless as the Browns usually are, they are aware of this possibility.
 
ChampionTexan said:
He could retire, and I'm guessing if he were traded to Cleveland, the odds of that happening would increase. I'm also guessing that even as clueless as the Browns usually are, they are aware of this possibility.
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If I were in his shoes and Jerrah traded me to Cleveland .... I'd retire. Cleveland is where quarterbacks go to die.
 
Corrosion said:
If I were in his shoes and Jerrah traded me to Cleveland .... I'd retire. Cleveland is where quarterbacks go to die.
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Point is that Tony may technically have no say so over where he can be traded, but if he makes it known that he doesn't want to go to a particular team, they're interest in trading for him will likely go away.

Nothing like adding a 36 year old frequently injured QB who doesn't want to be on your team to your roster.
 
Waiting until June 1st to cut Romo makes no sense to me for either Dallas or Houston. If what has been reported is true about Romo's current contract having no guaranteed money owed to him, then trading for him & having the option of letting him go at any time if he doesn't work out or get's injured again is the perfect storm for Houston. For Dallas, trading him removes his entire contract from their books this year. So, it's my opinion that there is something else going on that's holding up the trade. Could it be Dallas trying to get too high a draft pick? Or, could it be Romo that's holding the trade up by demanding Houston changes the contract to include guaranteed money? Hmmm.....
 
Hottoddie said:
Waiting until June 1st to cut Romo makes no sense to me for either Dallas or Houston. If what has been reported is true about Romo's current contract having no guaranteed money owed to him, then trading for him & having the option of letting him go at any time if he doesn't work out or get's injured again is the perfect storm for Houston. For Dallas, trading him removes his entire contract from their books this year. So, it's my opinion that there is something else going on that's holding up the trade. Could it be Dallas trying to get too high a draft pick? Or, could it be Romo that's holding the trade up by demanding Houston changes the contract to include guaranteed money? Hmmm.....
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It makes sense for Dallas to cut Romo designated as a June 1st cut. That's the only way they free up any money. However, they can't "use" that money until June 1st. So there's no incentive for Dallas to cut Tony early other than doing Romo a solid.

If they decide to trade Tony before June 1st, then they'll have to get creative about finding money to do something other than signing their draft picks.
 
JB said:
They could accomplish the same thing by designating him a June 1st cut... they have to be hoping to get a pick
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That's true, but they don't actually get the cap space until June 2nd if they do that, so why would they designate him a June 1st cut now? Why not just wait?
 
here's a funny thought.

let's assume Romo gets cut, what if, a team full of money steals him by offering a contract similar to what the texans would pay, but with a huge signing bonus. and then try to trade Romo to the texans in exchange for picks.

wouldn't that be funny?
 
I wonder if they could trade him, but not have the transaction go through until June1st, thus giving the cowboys the most cap savings for the year, can you designate a June 1st trade? Probably not


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jradMIT said:
I wonder if they could trade him, but not have the transaction go through until June1st, thus giving the cowboys the most cap savings for the year, can you designate a June 1st trade? Probably not


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Yes. Each team can release 2 players at any time and designate them June 1st cuts.
 
Sigma said:
here's a funny thought.

let's assume Romo gets cut, what if, a team full of money steals him by offering a contract similar to what the texans would pay, but with a huge signing bonus. and then try to trade Romo to the texans in exchange for picks.

wouldn't that be funny?
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Benjamin Allbright‏Verified account@AllbrightNFL 11h11 hours ago
Benjamin Allbright Retweeted Peter Campbell

I've said all along, I've heard Romo wants Houston, Jerry prefers him in Denver. https://twitter.com/texaspete26/status/842463965204606976…
 
DX-TEX said:
Benjamin Allbright‏Verified account@AllbrightNFL 11h11 hours ago
Benjamin Allbright Retweeted Peter Campbell

I've said all along, I've heard Romo wants Houston, Jerry prefers him in Denver. https://twitter.com/texaspete26/status/842463965204606976…
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I keep seeing these reports that Romo wants Houston, but I also remember there were reports of him wanting to go to a team that plays the Cowboys next year.

I think most of what is happening right now is just to drive up the price, I bet you if Houston and Denver start spending their money somewhere else the situation would unlock pretty quickly
 
Sigma said:
I keep seeing these reports that Romo wants Houston, but I also remember there were reports of him wanting to go to a team that plays the Cowboys next year.

I think most of what is happening right now is just to drive up the price, I bet you if Houston and Denver start spending their money somewhere else the situation would unlock pretty quickly
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Why , the Texans or Bronco's spending their cap space has no effect on the Cowboys ... Just what Romo can squeeze out of those teams after Dallas cuts him.
 
Corrosion said:
Why , the Texans or Bronco's spending their cap space has no effect on the Cowboys ... Just what Romo can squeeze out of those teams after Dallas cuts him.
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I know, but at this point is pretty clear that Dallas will have to cut Romo, so if Denver starts spending their money it will be clear they gave up on Romo so if it's true that Jerry doesn't want Romo in houston he will probably act quickly.

also, "unlock" could mean that the cowboys bring down the price for a trade, not necessarily that they will cut romo
 
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