TxnsJuggernaut
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I would say that the stats Peyton had under Fox as compared to Gary Kubiak would say otherwise.
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jradMIT
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If you trade for Romo, he would only cost his salary for this season which is ~14M, the 25M is his cap hit which includes signing/restructuring bonuses. Trading for him would have hits of 14,18,22 M I believe over the next 3 years, but none of it is guaranteed which means he could be cut at anytime with no dead money, so that has its advantages as well over a new deal.
Scooter
Funky
You are confusing concepts. Peyton would've been great under Kubiak. Kubiak would have a hard time coaching under a Peyton offense, especially with the collapse of their offensive line - a major reason Elway dropped Fox for Kubiak. Wildly different scenarios. You're also ignoring that Peyton's arm had fallen off and his feet were broken. Manning could've had Don Shula and Vince Lombardi as his coaches, he simply couldn't make the throws anymore. That was obvious in week 1 when he missed Sanders twice on routine game changing throws.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Anyone who watched a single game of Peyton's last season could see he was physically incapable.
Love to see that Oz guote on Fox.
Lol at Kubiak having once but no more being a good OC. Baltimore went from 25th pts/29th yds to 8th & 12th in one offseason with Kubiak. Upon his departure they fell back to 25th & 14th.
jradMIT
Veteran
Right, say what you want about Kubiak, but it took one sec for him to land another coordinator job, then one season to land another HC gig, a coveted one at that.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Are you sure the restructure bonus would fall on the Cowboys and not Romo's new team? I'm pretty sure you're right about the $5M in signing bonus
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yes, it has already been paid and will remain with Dallas.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I didn't realize that was universal in trades.
In that case, I'm surprised we didn't trade for him earlier in the FA period. This flinch first contest was predictable. But maybe they didn't ever have the intention to sign any other starters in this FA period.
In that case, I'm surprised we didn't trade for him earlier in the FA period. This flinch first contest was predictable. But maybe they didn't ever have the intention to sign any other starters in this FA period.
jradMIT
Veteran
Yes, A restructure bonus essentially acts like signing bonus and is prorated over the term of the contract, when a players is traded this number accelerates and becomes the dead money cap hit. You can go on Spotrac to their roster editing feature and try it out.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I am all for the Texans going with the Qb's we have on our roster and drafting another Qb anywhere between round 1 to round 4 to compete for the starting role. If the Qb's we have struggle we can draft another
While it is true Peyton could not make the throws he once did, I still believe Peyton would have had a bit more success under John Fox. We will just have to agree to disagree on that.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
John Fox is a defensive coach. The offense was by Mike McCoy (WC) Peyton's 1st year and Adam Gase (EP) the 2nd & 3rd.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I will agree with the fact that the Ravens improved but prior to him leaving us how good was the offense? His time in Denver agrees with me. Gary's success also concided with the fact that he could solely focus on offense. As a head coach his offenses in his last four or so years as a head coach dropped off.
As far as Brocks comment on John Fox I can't seem to find it but Brock did say a big part of his leaving Denver was because he did not feel he fit in Kubiaks offense. I will find it because I know Brock said it.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Top 10 until the QB debacle of 2013.
Ummmm, no. Kubiak walked in, installed a new system specially adapted to Manning in one offseason, had a backup start almost half the season and won a SB.
No, they fell off only in the QB debacle of 2013.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
John Fox was head coach and it was his offensive coordinators that Peyton did his best with. I simply bring up Fox due to him being a head coach as was Gary Kubiak.
I just don't think Peyton was as good as he could be while under Gary Kubiak. It may be that all his struggles were due to age and injury catching up with him. It also may be that Peyton would have fared better if he had played another season under Gary.
I liked Gary Kubiak and wished him well upon leaving our Texans but I always hated how conservative he was at times. I also felt that he sometimes was too predictable.
It does not matter. Gary Kubiak with a broke down Peyton was able to get enough out of Peyton when it truly counted and the Broncos won a title under him while John Fox and his staff could not win a title. I feel John Fox was fired from the Broncos when he did not deserve to be fired. If John Fox had some of his key players on defense in their Super Bowl against the Seattle Seahawks I feel the Broncos could have at least made their loss in that Super Bowl much more competitive.
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TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
It never seemed to return with him as a head coach after.
However I do feel that Gary deserved at least one more season with us to see if he could turn things around. I for sure like Gary Kubiak more than Bill O'Brien.
Sigma
Veteran
somehow you make it sound *easier* that in must have been.
remember that it wasn't just "a backup", it was Os
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
Thanks in large part to Wade Phillips and a mostly healthy top rated defense.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
The Os of Denver was better by a lot over what Os was while in Houston. I will say in hind sight Gary was better for Os than O'b was.somehow you make it sound *easier* that in must have been.
remember that it wasn't just "a backup", it was Os
edo783
Hall of Fame
This, in my opinion, is what we should have already done. The only reasonable reason to not have, is that Jerrah doesn't want Romo with the "Other" Texas team and is trying to pee on Mc Nairs Wheaties. Or maybe he is hoping to get a bidding war going between us and the Broncos. My gut says he doesn't want any more competition for fans in Texas, so no Romo to us as he is pretty popular with folks in Texas.
jradMIT
Veteran
I think his offense is much more adept for being successful with sub par QB play, its simplified and based off the zone run. Kubiak's offenses have a much higher floor than OB's. You can compare this year and 2013.
Sigma
Veteran
yup, that was my point
(not necessarily that Kubiak is better, but that he was able to utilize Os better)
Hottoddie
Veteran
It's possible that Jones is asking for a draft pick that is higher than the Texans are willing to give up. With the numbers being shown for Romo's contract, it would be a no brainer to make the trade. So, it has to be what Jones is asking for in the trade. Can anyone come up with any other reason why we wouldn't make the trade given the non guaranteed contract Romo would have with us?
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I suppose that if the Texans were that interested in Romo something would have already been done. Why it hasn't transpired is any one's guess.
Asking price, Romo's or Jerruh's. or just leery of all the injuries?
It's looking more and more like we are standing pat on our QB situation. 1. Savage 2. Weeden 3. Rookie. Early or late round ???
Glad to be rid of Oz but why the rush to free up all the cap space and stand around with your hands in your pockets.
This truly looks more and more like a dysfunctional franchise.
Sigma
Veteran
Romo not wanting to come here, everybody assumes he will be thrilled to come here. but what if he just doesn't like BOB or something along the lines of that?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Free agent period isn't over yet.I suppose that if the Texans were that interested in Romo something would have already been done. Why it hasn't transpired is any one's guess.
Asking price, Romo's or Jerruh's. or just leery of all the injuries?
It's looking more and more like we are standing pat on our QB situation. 1. Savage 2. Weeden 3. Rookie. Early or late round ???
Glad to be rid of Oz but why the rush to free up all the cap space and stand around with your hands in your pockets.
This truly looks more and more like a dysfunctional franchise.
There's at least a few months whereby new players can be added.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Anything's possible.
Including not wanting to give up a draft pick for a player that will probably be released
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Glad to be rid of Oz but why the rush to free up all the cap space and stand around with your hands in your pockets.
This truly looks more and more like a dysfunctional franchise.
Why do people assume the rush was by the Texans? Maybe the Browns gave a now or never deadline.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Yeah, or the Texans are waiting for Romo to land somewhere in hopes of one team being taken out of the market for Jimmy G. The Browns are supposedly interested in JG, but if Romo went to the Browns, he might become cheaper.
badboy
Hall of Fame
shh everyone has a fantasy...
TripleTap
Dead Wood
Calling all experts--
Seems to me entirely possible that even if we do get Romo there is no reason to believe he will excel in this particular offense. Further, there is no reason to believe our bull-headed coach will redesign the offense to cater to Romo's strengths. This worries me. Please tell me it doesn't worry you and why.
Seems to me entirely possible that even if we do get Romo there is no reason to believe he will excel in this particular offense. Further, there is no reason to believe our bull-headed coach will redesign the offense to cater to Romo's strengths. This worries me. Please tell me it doesn't worry you and why.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
He had done a good job in Baltimore but the main reason he got such a coveted job was his familiarity with John Elway and the Broncos as Elways back up. It sure didn't hurt Gary's chances at getting the job.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You're right. It didn't hurt that Kubiak had experience adapting an offense to get an aging QB with a career of relying on his arm to win a SB.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
We will just have to agree to disagree on Gary Kubiaks value and part in winning a title.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
It worries me as well.
I know Os was bad but I think O'b had plenty to do with just how bad Os was.
It is hard to know where the lions share of blame belongs. O'b is head of the offense next season and I doubt he will be able to pass the buck if things go bad next season..
Especially if he gets Tony Romo to work with.
jradMIT
Veteran
I think Romo is a guy that will play well in any offense at this point. He's demonstrated a high level of play in latter half of his career even with some drop off would be more than enough to get the job done with this defense. He doesn't have some sort of glaring weakness that a system needs to compensate for, so as long as he is healthy the offense will be able to move the ball.
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Number19
Hall of Fame
It's simple really - you resist all outside pressure and start the QB who best executes your system. You sign Romo, you keep Weeden, and you go into camp with these two plus Savage. It's not what is usually done, but who ever starts game one is on a short leash. The goal is to stay in the running the first half of the season and to know who will be your QB the last half and into the post season. If this player is Savage or Weeden, then they will need to be re- signed for the 2018 season. If it's Romo, he'll already be under contract. The other two will be released and you will go into the 2018 season with this transition QB, the player you draft in 2017 and the first round QB you draft in 2018.
Several posters keep commenting on "the plan". This would be my "plan".
Several posters keep commenting on "the plan". This would be my "plan".
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Say what you want about OB's offense, the play-calling, design, whatever, Brock's long windup, bad reads, and inaccuracy didn't have anything to do with any of that. That guy was just bad. Period.
Fitzpatrick had 17 TD to 8 INT, 8.0 Y/A and a 95.3 passer rating in this offense. Hell, Hoyer had 19 TD, 7 INT, 7.1 Y/A and a 91.4 passer rating. If those guys could look halfway decent at times in this offense, something Brock never did in it, then I'm sure a seasoned veteran of Romo's caliber would be just fine.
I heard that O' Brien made Fitzapatrick better. But he went on to 9-7, thanks to other QB(s).
I heard that O'Brien made Hoyer better, or was it Mallett? Oh wait, it was Yates. Or was it Weedman?
Sheeez, Osweiler was forced on him.
Look how great Savage was, zero TD and all.
Why worry, sooner or later, he will have one that can operate his complicated offense better than he ever knows it.
How hard can it be to improve one of the league's worst offense.
O' Brien has nowhere to go but up.
Oh, Bull Crap.
I heard that O'Brien made Hoyer better, or was it Mallett? Oh wait, it was Yates. Or was it Weedman?
Sheeez, Osweiler was forced on him.
Look how great Savage was, zero TD and all.
Why worry, sooner or later, he will have one that can operate his complicated offense better than he ever knows it.
How hard can it be to improve one of the league's worst offense.
O' Brien has nowhere to go but up.
Oh, Bull Crap.
As a free agent he wouldn't .... But if Jerrah Traded him to the Browns , aint nothing Romo could do about it , other than retire.