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How about Tony Romo in Houston

I'm not paying him ~$25M and leaving myself only $4M or so after draft picks to add to the team. I'm also not losing any more draft picks in this endeavor. I'm assuming we will extend Hopkins as well.

I get that some people would prefer that we had spent some of this money on FAs that have already been signed, but try to ask yourself what you'd do now that they are gone.

If you trade for Romo, he would only cost his salary for this season which is ~14M, the 25M is his cap hit which includes signing/restructuring bonuses. Trading for him would have hits of 14,18,22 M I believe over the next 3 years, but none of it is guaranteed which means he could be cut at anytime with no dead money, so that has its advantages as well over a new deal.
 
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Sounds more& more like Romo lands in Houston as for Hightower is the best deal the most $$? The best deal isn't always$
6:19 AM - 15 Mar 2017 from College Park, GA
 
I would say that the stats Peyton had under Fox as compared to Gary Kubiak would say otherwise.

You are confusing concepts. Peyton would've been great under Kubiak. Kubiak would have a hard time coaching under a Peyton offense, especially with the collapse of their offensive line - a major reason Elway dropped Fox for Kubiak. Wildly different scenarios. You're also ignoring that Peyton's arm had fallen off and his feet were broken. Manning could've had Don Shula and Vince Lombardi as his coaches, he simply couldn't make the throws anymore. That was obvious in week 1 when he missed Sanders twice on routine game changing throws.
 
I would say that the stats Peyton had under Fox as compared to Gary Kubiak would say otherwise.

Anyone who watched a single game of Peyton's last season could see he was physically incapable.

Love to see that Oz guote on Fox.

Lol at Kubiak having once but no more being a good OC. Baltimore went from 25th pts/29th yds to 8th & 12th in one offseason with Kubiak. Upon his departure they fell back to 25th & 14th.
 
Anyone who watched a single game of Peyton's last season could see he was physically incapable.

Love to see that Oz guote on Fox.

Lol at Kubiak having once but no more being a good OC. Baltimore went from 25th pts/29th yds to 8th & 12th in one offseason with Kubiak. Upon his departure they fell back to 25th & 14th.

Right, say what you want about Kubiak, but it took one sec for him to land another coordinator job, then one season to land another HC gig, a coveted one at that.
 
If you trade for Romo, he would only cost his salary for this season which is ~14M, the 25M is his cap hit which includes signing/restructuring bonuses. Trading for him would have hits of 14,18,22 M I believe over the next 3 years, but none of it is guaranteed which means he could be cut at anytime with no dead money, so that has its advantages as well over a new deal.

Are you sure the restructure bonus would fall on the Cowboys and not Romo's new team? I'm pretty sure you're right about the $5M in signing bonus
 
I didn't realize that was universal in trades.

In that case, I'm surprised we didn't trade for him earlier in the FA period. This flinch first contest was predictable. But maybe they didn't ever have the intention to sign any other starters in this FA period.
 
Are you sure the restructure bonus would fall on the Cowboys and not Romo's new team? I'm pretty sure you're right about the $5M in signing bonus

Yes, A restructure bonus essentially acts like signing bonus and is prorated over the term of the contract, when a players is traded this number accelerates and becomes the dead money cap hit. You can go on Spotrac to their roster editing feature and try it out.
 
I am all for the Texans going with the Qb's we have on our roster and drafting another Qb anywhere between round 1 to round 4 to compete for the starting role. If the Qb's we have struggle we can draft another
You are confusing concepts. Peyton would've been great under Kubiak. Kubiak would have a hard time coaching under a Peyton offense, especially with the collapse of their offensive line - a major reason Elway dropped Fox for Kubiak. Wildly different scenarios. You're also ignoring that Peyton's arm had fallen off and his feet were broken. Manning could've had Don Shula and Vince Lombardi as his coaches, he simply couldn't make the throws anymore. That was obvious in week 1 when he missed Sanders twice on routine game changing throws.
While it is true Peyton could not make the throws he once did, I still believe Peyton would have had a bit more success under John Fox. We will just have to agree to disagree on that.
 
I am all for the Texans going with the Qb's we have on our roster and drafting another Qb anywhere between round 1 to round 4 to compete for the starting role. If the Qb's we have struggle we can draft another
While it is true Peyton could not make the throws he once did, I still believe Peyton would have had a bit more success under John Fox. We will just have to agree to disagree on that.

John Fox is a defensive coach. The offense was by Mike McCoy (WC) Peyton's 1st year and Adam Gase (EP) the 2nd & 3rd.
 
Anyone who watched a single game of Peyton's last season could see he was physically incapable.

Love to see that Oz guote on Fox.

Lol at Kubiak having once but no more being a good OC. Baltimore went from 25th pts/29th yds to 8th & 12th in one offseason with Kubiak. Upon his departure they fell back to 25th & 14th.
I will agree with the fact that the Ravens improved but prior to him leaving us how good was the offense? His time in Denver agrees with me. Gary's success also concided with the fact that he could solely focus on offense. As a head coach his offenses in his last four or so years as a head coach dropped off.

As far as Brocks comment on John Fox I can't seem to find it but Brock did say a big part of his leaving Denver was because he did not feel he fit in Kubiaks offense. I will find it because I know Brock said it.
 
I will agree with the fact that the Ravens improved but prior to him leaving us how good was the offense?

Top 10 until the QB debacle of 2013.

His time in Denver agrees with me.

Ummmm, no. Kubiak walked in, installed a new system specially adapted to Manning in one offseason, had a backup start almost half the season and won a SB.

Gary's success also concided with the fact that he could solely focus on offense. As a head coach his offenses in his last four or so years as a head coach dropped off.

No, they fell off only in the QB debacle of 2013.
 
John Fox is a defensive coach. The offense was by Mike McCoy (WC) Peyton's 1st year and Adam Gase (EP) the 2nd & 3rd.
John Fox was head coach and it was his offensive coordinators that Peyton did his best with. I simply bring up Fox due to him being a head coach as was Gary Kubiak.

I just don't think Peyton was as good as he could be while under Gary Kubiak. It may be that all his struggles were due to age and injury catching up with him. It also may be that Peyton would have fared better if he had played another season under Gary.

I liked Gary Kubiak and wished him well upon leaving our Texans but I always hated how conservative he was at times. I also felt that he sometimes was too predictable.

It does not matter. Gary Kubiak with a broke down Peyton was able to get enough out of Peyton when it truly counted and the Broncos won a title under him while John Fox and his staff could not win a title. I feel John Fox was fired from the Broncos when he did not deserve to be fired. If John Fox had some of his key players on defense in their Super Bowl against the Seattle Seahawks I feel the Broncos could have at least made their loss in that Super Bowl much more competitive.
 
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If you trade for Romo, he would only cost his salary for this season which is ~14M, the 25M is his cap hit which includes signing/restructuring bonuses. Trading for him would have hits of 14,18,22 M I believe over the next 3 years, but none of it is guaranteed which means he could be cut at anytime with no dead money, so that has its advantages as well over a new deal.

This, in my opinion, is what we should have already done. The only reasonable reason to not have, is that Jerrah doesn't want Romo with the "Other" Texas team and is trying to pee on Mc Nairs Wheaties. Or maybe he is hoping to get a bidding war going between us and the Broncos. My gut says he doesn't want any more competition for fans in Texas, so no Romo to us as he is pretty popular with folks in Texas.
 
It never seemed to return with him as a head coach after.

However I do feel that Gary deserved at least one more season with us to see if he could turn things around. I for sure like Gary Kubiak more than Bill O'Brien.

I think his offense is much more adept for being successful with sub par QB play, its simplified and based off the zone run. Kubiak's offenses have a much higher floor than OB's. You can compare this year and 2013.
 
Is anyone hearing a trade for Romo with Pittsburgh? Rumors are floating but I see nothing official.
 
This, in my opinion, is what we should have already done. The only reasonable reason to not have, is that Jerrah doesn't want Romo with the "Other" Texas team and is trying to pee on Mc Nairs Wheaties. Or maybe he is hoping to get a bidding war going between us and the Broncos. My gut says he doesn't want any more competition for fans in Texas, so no Romo to us as he is pretty popular with folks in Texas.
It's possible that Jones is asking for a draft pick that is higher than the Texans are willing to give up. With the numbers being shown for Romo's contract, it would be a no brainer to make the trade. So, it has to be what Jones is asking for in the trade. Can anyone come up with any other reason why we wouldn't make the trade given the non guaranteed contract Romo would have with us?
 
Is anyone hearing a trade for Romo with Pittsburgh? Rumors are floating but I see nothing official.

I suppose that if the Texans were that interested in Romo something would have already been done. Why it hasn't transpired is any one's guess.

Asking price, Romo's or Jerruh's. or just leery of all the injuries? idonno:

It's looking more and more like we are standing pat on our QB situation. 1. Savage 2. Weeden 3. Rookie. Early or late round ???

Glad to be rid of Oz but why the rush to free up all the cap space and stand around with your hands in your pockets.

This truly looks more and more like a dysfunctional franchise.

:coffee:
 
It's possible that Jones is asking for a draft pick that is higher than the Texans are willing to give up. With the numbers being shown for Romo's contract, it would be a no brainer to make the trade. So, it has to be what Jones is asking for in the trade. Can anyone come up with any other reason why we wouldn't make the trade given the non guaranteed contract Romo would have with us?
Romo not wanting to come here, everybody assumes he will be thrilled to come here. but what if he just doesn't like BOB or something along the lines of that?
 
I suppose that if the Texans were that interested in Romo something would have already been done. Why it hasn't transpired is any one's guess.

Asking price, Romo's or Jerruh's. or just leery of all the injuries? idonno:

It's looking more and more like we are standing pat on our QB situation. 1. Savage 2. Weeden 3. Rookie. Early or late round ???

Glad to be rid of Oz but why the rush to free up all the cap space and stand around with your hands in your pockets.

This truly looks more and more like a dysfunctional franchise.

:coffee:
Free agent period isn't over yet.
There's at least a few months whereby new players can be added.
 
Yeah, or the Texans are waiting for Romo to land somewhere in hopes of one team being taken out of the market for Jimmy G. The Browns are supposedly interested in JG, but if Romo went to the Browns, he might become cheaper.
 
Calling all experts--

Seems to me entirely possible that even if we do get Romo there is no reason to believe he will excel in this particular offense. Further, there is no reason to believe our bull-headed coach will redesign the offense to cater to Romo's strengths. This worries me. Please tell me it doesn't worry you and why.
 
Right, say what you want about Kubiak, but it took one sec for him to land another coordinator job, then one season to land another HC gig, a coveted one at that.
He had done a good job in Baltimore but the main reason he got such a coveted job was his familiarity with John Elway and the Broncos as Elways back up. It sure didn't hurt Gary's chances at getting the job.
 
He had done a good job in Baltimore but the main reason he got such a coveted job was his familiarity with John Elway and the Broncos as Elways back up. It sure didn't hurt Gary's chances at getting the job.

You're right. It didn't hurt that Kubiak had experience adapting an offense to get an aging QB with a career of relying on his arm to win a SB.
 
Calling all experts--

Seems to me entirely possible that even if we do get Romo there is no reason to believe he will excel in this particular offense. Further, there is no reason to believe our bull-headed coach will redesign the offense to cater to Romo's strengths. This worries me. Please tell me it doesn't worry you and why.
It worries me as well.

I know Os was bad but I think O'b had plenty to do with just how bad Os was.

It is hard to know where the lions share of blame belongs. O'b is head of the offense next season and I doubt he will be able to pass the buck if things go bad next season..

Especially if he gets Tony Romo to work with.
 
Calling all experts--

Seems to me entirely possible that even if we do get Romo there is no reason to believe he will excel in this particular offense. Further, there is no reason to believe our bull-headed coach will redesign the offense to cater to Romo's strengths. This worries me. Please tell me it doesn't worry you and why.

I think Romo is a guy that will play well in any offense at this point. He's demonstrated a high level of play in latter half of his career even with some drop off would be more than enough to get the job done with this defense. He doesn't have some sort of glaring weakness that a system needs to compensate for, so as long as he is healthy the offense will be able to move the ball.


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It's simple really - you resist all outside pressure and start the QB who best executes your system. You sign Romo, you keep Weeden, and you go into camp with these two plus Savage. It's not what is usually done, but who ever starts game one is on a short leash. The goal is to stay in the running the first half of the season and to know who will be your QB the last half and into the post season. If this player is Savage or Weeden, then they will need to be re- signed for the 2018 season. If it's Romo, he'll already be under contract. The other two will be released and you will go into the 2018 season with this transition QB, the player you draft in 2017 and the first round QB you draft in 2018.

Several posters keep commenting on "the plan". This would be my "plan".
 
I have come a conclusion on Romo's release being delayed.

Romo wants to be in Houston. Houston wants Romo here and Jerry doesnt like this idea AT ALL.

If Dak goes out next year and hits a sophomore slump and Romo has even the slightest of success in Houston, Cowboy fans will be screaming like the bitches they are. If by some miracle Romo leads the Texans to their first Super Bowl Jerry wouldnt be able to eat or sleep. He controls NFL fandom in this state and doesnt like the idea of anyone moving in on his turf. He is playing a game hoping Denver will bite as Romo is probably "ok" with going there but they are ultimately his 2nd choice. He cant trade him anywhere else because Tony will just say "no. I wont play there" and negate the trade. If he has success in Denver Jerry would see it as not that big of a deal because he is far away in Colorado. For those who dont know "football culture" in Texas its basically bigger than God and the Switch

Jerry wants his cake and to eat it too but he is in a losing situation here. I firmly believe the Texans know he wants to come here and Jerry is scrambling at the last minute to avoid that situation. Rick and BOB are just waiting it out.


Remember when I said this? Welp...

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It worries me as well.

I know Os was bad but I think O'b had plenty to do with just how bad Os was.

It is hard to know where the lions share of blame belongs. O'b is head of the offense next season and I doubt he will be able to pass the buck if things go bad next season..

Especially if he gets Tony Romo to work with.


Say what you want about OB's offense, the play-calling, design, whatever, Brock's long windup, bad reads, and inaccuracy didn't have anything to do with any of that. That guy was just bad. Period.

Fitzpatrick had 17 TD to 8 INT, 8.0 Y/A and a 95.3 passer rating in this offense. Hell, Hoyer had 19 TD, 7 INT, 7.1 Y/A and a 91.4 passer rating. If those guys could look halfway decent at times in this offense, something Brock never did in it, then I'm sure a seasoned veteran of Romo's caliber would be just fine.
 
Fitzpatrick had 17 TD to 8 INT, 8.0 Y/A and a 95.3 passer rating in this offense. Hell, Hoyer had 19 TD, 7 INT, 7.1 Y/A and a 91.4 passer rating.

Brock, 15 TD, 16 INT, 5.8 Y/A, 72.2 PR. Holy crap that guy was horrible!!
 
I heard that O' Brien made Fitzapatrick better. But he went on to 9-7, thanks to other QB(s).

I heard that O'Brien made Hoyer better, or was it Mallett? Oh wait, it was Yates. Or was it Weedman?

Sheeez, Osweiler was forced on him.
Look how great Savage was, zero TD and all.

Why worry, sooner or later, he will have one that can operate his complicated offense better than he ever knows it.

How hard can it be to improve one of the league's worst offense.

O' Brien has nowhere to go but up.
Oh, Bull Crap.
 
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