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Hello (Season Opener Prediction Thread)

Kaiser Toro said:
I have only Losman in highlight reels and his performance, or lack thereof, against UT a number of years ago and there should be cause for concern for Bills fans. Yes McGahee is on the road to being a top notch back, Evans is a stacked burner and the Defense is one of the better units in football. But, to give the ball to a second year player and ask him to lead you to the playoffs may be a bit much to ask. Expect a lot of blitzing this year. Not sure if Mcgahee was a part of the problem last year or WR's gave up on their routes with all those sacks. Yes Bledsoe does hang onto the ball a bit long, but that has been his method of operation for many years.
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LOL, believe it or not man, last year was Drew's least sacked year since 97. Really. So IMO, if we can protect Drew, we can hopefully protect a kid who can actually move. We gameplanned around Drew's deficiencies all of last year, so gameplanning around the rook's isn't much different.

As far as the blitzing, JP practices against one of the fesitiest virtually all blitz D's in the league. Now practice is practice, and a game is a game, certainly, but the kid has to learn on the job sometime. An opener against one of the weakest pass rushes in the league seems custom made to me. (BTW--expect a few blitzes yourself ;) )

I think that the Bills are going to be ripe for us. The Texans have performed well on opening days, have instituted personnel on defense that have quickness, added depth and have an offensive core that has been together for a number of years. I do like what I have seen with Carr rolling out so far, just not sure how many options they will build off of it or how Carr wil fare once defesive coordinators know how to defend it. I do believe that this package could be the variable that finally gets our Offense on the consistent track to marked improvement.
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Ripe? I don't know what this means really. Ripe for you how? Your O, other than the line, is pretty nice though. Thing is, can that line protect Carr? If they can, should be one heck of a game.
 
I have read things saying J.P. is struggling and others saying he is well in command. I haven't seen him play this preseason so which one is it? If he turns out to be solid the Bills could go a long way this year in my opinion and that spells trouble for week 1.
 
The Preacher said:
I have read things saying J.P. is struggling and others saying he is well in command. I haven't seen him play this preseason so which one is it? If he turns out to be solid the Bills could go a long way this year in my opinion and that spells trouble for week 1.
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Game 1: 19 att for 88 yards
Game 2: 14 att, 59 yards

Couldn't find scrambling stats, but he has about 40 yards in each game I believe with one rushing TD.

He hasn't been anything special, other than some nice scrambling, but then again he hasn't made any big mistakes so far either. No picks in two preseason games. Seems relatively settled in the pocket, and even on the move still looks to throw the ball, as opposed to just tucking and running, although it will take more time before his happy feet go away for good. Development looks to be right on track. As long as he keeps the mistakes in check, Buffalo should be in good shape.

We don't need the guy to be Mike Vick or McNabb. Just run the O efficiently and use his feet occasionally to get that first down that with Drew surely would have been a loss of 6 or 8 yards. The rest of the team will pick up the slack. Believe me, we didn't go 9-7 last year because of Drew!!!
 
RalphJr said:
LOL, believe it or not man, last year was Drew's least sacked year since 97. Really. So IMO, if we can protect Drew, we can hopefully protect a kid who can actually move. We gameplanned around Drew's deficiencies all of last year, so gameplanning around the rook's isn't much different.

As far as the blitzing, JP practices against one of the fesitiest virtually all blitz D's in the league. Now practice is practice, and a game is a game, certainly, but the kid has to learn on the job sometime.
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That is an understandable thought, but do you think that Drew practiced against a different D when he was in? I mean, you are saying that JP is practicing against a blitzkrieg, and will be able to stay upright, but on the flip side, Drew practiced against the same D. It just sounds a little biased is all.
 
DC_ROCK said:
That is an understandable thought, but do you think that Drew practiced against a different D when he was in? I mean, you are saying that JP is practicing against a blitzkrieg, and will be able to stay upright, but on the flip side, Drew practiced against the same D. It just sounds a little biased is all.
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Well, i am biased a little, i try but even my "bills goggles" slip on now and then, lol.

Here's the difference IMO: JP is learning and finding his way in the NFL. He is an empty vessel waiting to be filled with knowledge, and he has (this is crucial) the physical tools to utilize that knowledge once he (as long as he can) digests it all. JP is on his way UP in the NFL.

Drew is heading in an opposite direction. He's done learning. We gameplanned around this man's deficiencies all of last year. We tried (much like the Cowboys are doing now) to implement screens and dump offs to get the pressure off him...since Drew has no touch, it didn't matter. He constantly overthrew screens. Hell, even a 10 yard pass from Drew comes in at 60mph, the guy is simply all cannon. Anyway, screens and dump offs couldn't help Drew, he couldn't handle them. JP can. That will help the blitz stay back.

Tried to run play action too...ever seen a elephant run with two feet tied together? That elephant is still more nimble than Bledsoe. There were times last year when the man tripped over his own feet. JP can PA.

I could have drawn you a "treasure map" of where DB would be on every passing play last year...five steps back, X marks the spot. Every DE in the league new this, and it was "Sack-o-rama". If he stepped into the pocket, he'd pat the ball. That was his only move. He can't go side to side, and can't even create A LITTLE BIT with his feet. JP can shotgun, 5 step, 7 step, PA, Roll out either side, etc. And DEs won't be able to simply pin their ears back and go once they get burned by Los for 20 yards on a rollout. And that play will make all the difference during the game, as D's will HAVE to respect that ability. With Drew it was all blitz all the time.

This should illustrate how frustrating it is trying to drill Drew...Last year in training camp, we had a freakin' buzzer installed in Drew's helmet that would ring three seconds after the snap, to get him to get rid of the damn ball...it still DIDN'T HELP.

Bottom line is this: Drew is literally the old dog you can't teach a new trick. I respect everything he did in Buffalo to bring us back to respectability (I know that sounds crazy but even Drew was respectable after Rob Johnson) but the bottom line is the man is one thing: A Pure pocket passer with a cannon for an arm. Outside of the perfect situation of a perfect pro bowl O-line with a pro bowl Rb and recievers, that simply isn't enough.

JP has all the physical tools, arm and legs, a good, if cocky, head on his shoulders,and he is learning from Sam Wyche, one of the best coaches in the game. He will get better because he CAN. Drew never did simply because he was UNABLE to, he is what he is at this point in his career. This kind of explains why so many Buffalo fans have very high, and somewhat unrealistic expectations for this season...we really feel like we played last year with a giant handicap named Drew Bledsoe.

EDIT: Oh BTW, i was way off on JPs rushing stats in the other post, he has 55 yards between the two games and one td. That's what happens when you don't look stats up I guess. :tomato:
 
Unlike some on this post, I doubt that JP will be much of an issue with turnovers. I doubt the Bills will give him much of a chance to be too wild with the ball. Lots and Lots of Willis will be the flavor of the night. Later in the season I suspect they will lossen up, but for the first game....I don't expect Loseman to be much of a factor one way or the other unless we happen to jump out to a big lead, then they will probably try a more wide open approach. If it is a close game, I would give the nod to the Bills based on their defense.
 
RalphJr said:
JP has all the physical tools, arm and legs, a good, if cocky, head on his shoulders,and he is learning from Sam Wyche, one of the best coaches in the game. He will get better because he CAN. Drew never did simply because he was UNABLE to, he is what he is at this point in his career. This kind of explains why so many Buffalo fans have very high, and somewhat unrealistic expectations for this season...we really feel like we played last year with a giant handicap named Drew Bledsoe.
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Alot of QBs have the physical tools to play, but until gameday that really doesn't mean much. Up until this point in his career, he hasn't shown much, granted he hasn't played much, but still my point. i can understand your point of playing with a giant handicap named drew bledsoe, but do you really expect JP not not be somewhat of a handicap being so unexperienced?
 
The Preacher said:
I have read things saying J.P. is struggling and others saying he is well in command. I haven't seen him play this preseason so which one is it? If he turns out to be solid the Bills could go a long way this year in my opinion and that spells trouble for week 1.
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He is in well command. Doesn't make any turnovers and is making things happen with his feet. Wait till week 1 when you see the deep bomb to Evans.

He's gotta cannon, just hasn't shown it off in preseason yet. The thing that I liked so far is his ability to convert third down. 6/8 last year. That's pretty good. Oh, and the Rushing TD, something Drew could never do.

It's gonna be a good game.
 
LosmanEvansMcGahee said:
He is in well command. Doesn't make any turnovers and is making things happen with his feet. Wait till week 1 when you see the deep bomb to Evans.

He's gotta cannon, just hasn't shown it off in preseason yet. The thing that I liked so far is his ability to convert third down. 6/8 last year. That's pretty good. Oh, and the Rushing TD, something Drew could never do.

It's gonna be a good game.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4796470

Everyone has noticed the less than stellar play of QB J.P. Losman, Buffalo's young starting quarterback, and that's why veteran Kelly Holcomb, who has a great command of the offense, was signed. Holcomb is great off the bench. ...
 
LosmanEvansMcGahee said:
He is in well command. Doesn't make any turnovers and is making things happen with his feet. Wait till week 1 when you see the deep bomb to Evans.

He's gotta cannon, just hasn't shown it off in preseason yet. The thing that I liked so far is his ability to convert third down. 6/8 last year. That's pretty good. Oh, and the Rushing TD, something Drew could never do.

It's gonna be a good game.
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ok, last year JP attempted a whopping total of 5 passes during the regular season, one of them was an interception. I'd be happy to see him continue that 20% interception rate. This year during the preseason, JP is throwing shorter passes, hopefully our defense will adjust and make the picks anyway. I only hope our D puts some pressure on his inexperienced brain with numerous blitzes and fake blitzes... I don't care if the towel boy charges in from the sideline once in a while just to add to the confusion.

I'd take Drew over JP any day at this point in his career, however with more experience under his belt, JP might prove to be worthwhile, but not yet.
 
Crank_It_Up said:
ok, last year JP attempted a whopping total of 5 passes during the regular season, one of them was an interception. I'd be happy to see him continue that 20% interception rate. This year during the preseason, JP is throwing shorter passes, hopefully our defense will adjust and make the picks anyway. I only hope our D puts some pressure on his inexperienced brain with numerous blitzes and fake blitzes... I don't care if the towel boy charges in from the sideline once in a while just to add to the confusion.

I'd take Drew over JP any day at this point in his career, however with more experience under his belt, JP might prove to be worthwhile, but not yet.
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Dude, trust me, you would not take Drew Bledsoe. What do you think kept us out of the Playoffs last year?

Oh, and the coaches are calling 'conservative' plays. He hasn't thrown the deep ball yet. They're just letting J.P get used to the speed of the NFL. And, J.P does practice against one the best, if not the best NFL in the game today.

Oh and for the record, Drew averaged over 1 TO per game.
 
the wonger need food said:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4796470

Everyone has noticed the less than stellar play of QB J.P. Losman, Buffalo's young starting quarterback, and that's why veteran Kelly Holcomb, who has a great command of the offense, was signed. Holcomb is great off the bench. ...
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Less than Stellar? Well for one thing, we don't need him to play 'stellar', we just need him not to make stupid mistakes. And this preseason, J.P has only fumbled once and has 0 Interceptions. Which is what we need him to do. He is rarely going to have to take us on winning drives and stuff, just not f*ck up and let the rest of the team do the rest.

A lot of you think he needs to be absolutely amazing, but what you don't know is that:

1.) We have arguably the best Defense in the NFL
2.) We have the best Special Teams in the NFL
3.) We have one of the best RB's in the NFL
4.) We have awesome WR's in Eric Moulds in Lee Evans.
5.) We have one of the best Coaching Staff's in the NFL. We have the best Offensive Line Coach in the NFL and last year our HC was a rookie and led us to a 9-7 Record.

That's a verrrry good supporting cast if you ask me.


Good luck on Sept. 11th.
 
LosmanEvansMcGahee said:
Less than Stellar? Well for one thing, we don't need him to play 'stellar', we just need him not to make stupid mistakes. And this preseason, J.P has only fumbled once and has 0 Interceptions. Which is what we need him to do. He is rarely going to have to take us on winning drives and stuff, just not f*ck up and let the rest of the team do the rest.

A lot of you think he needs to be absolutely amazing, but what you don't know is that:

1.) We have arguably the best Defense in the NFL
2.) We have the best Special Teams in the NFL
3.) We have one of the best RB's in the NFL
4.) We have awesome WR's in Eric Moulds in Lee Evans.
5.) We have one of the best Coaching Staff's in the NFL. We have the best Offensive Line Coach in the NFL and last year our HC was a rookie and led us to a 9-7 Record.

That's a verrrry good supporting cast if you ask me.


Good luck on Sept. 11th.
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maybe you should replace some of the haves with hads. you had one of the best defenses last year, key word had, it's not a given that your defense will be the same as last year. you had one of the best special team returners last year, but once again that was last year. i think your opinion of your coaching staff is so biased, you don't even see it. your WRs are not awesome, they're better than average. your running back is not one of the best RBs in the league. i can name 15 other RBs better than him including your former RB henry. he's had one pretty good season, thats all. when he can put together a few seasons of that, than i'll give him credit. Hell, i could go on the Bills forum and say the same stuff about the texans if i wanted. i'll save my comments until after the game. just don't get your hopes up too high. thats all, the bills may have a great season or they may suck. you just never know until they play real football.
 
atxcoolguy said:
and neither is your postings. its all opinion or facts from last year.
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Umm... If the D was #2 last year why would it be any different?

ST is same.


The O is really the only thing that changed and it got better.
 
atxcoolguy said:
Alot of QBs have the physical tools to play, but until gameday that really doesn't mean much. Up until this point in his career, he hasn't shown much, granted he hasn't played much, but still my point. i can understand your point of playing with a giant handicap named drew bledsoe, but do you really expect JP not not be somewhat of a handicap being so unexperienced?
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I agree, you gotta do it in a real game, but the bottom line is that JP has the tools to succeed. Drew simply doesn't. He has one tool, his arm.

It's like this: we (or I would anyway, lol, there are still Drew supporters) would rather tolerate the bone headed mistakes of a rookie than the equally (Watch the games if you don't believe me) boneheaded mistakes of a twelve year vet. I agree that starting a rookie is also a handicap...but it is in a totally different mold. The handicap with Losman is inexperience. The handicap with Bledsoe is incompetence. Easy pick IMO. At least Losman has more positives to outweigh that handicap than just a cannon for an arm like Drew.
 
LosmanEvansMcGahee said:
Umm... If the D was #2 last year why would it be any different?

ST is same.


The O is really the only thing that changed and it got better.
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Once again, because last year doesn't count. Coaches around the league know that last year you had a good defense, so did it occur to you that maybe they adjust and gameplan differently. Did it occur to you, that you don't play the exact same teams as the year before? As for special teams, just because a return man had X returns doesn't mean, he's going to have Xreturns this year.

As for the Offense being better, how do you know its better? you have to let the season begin and play games before you know that.
 
atxcoolguy said:
Once again, because last year doesn't count. Coaches around the league know that last year you had a good defense, so did it occur to you that maybe they adjust and gameplan differently. Did it occur to you, that you don't play the exact same teams as the year before? As for special teams, just because a return man had X returns doesn't mean, he's going to have Xreturns this year.

As for the Offense being better, how do you know its better? you have to let the season begin and play games before you know that.
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You are just feeding the fire ATX. This guy isnt really listening to you, and your points, but merely regurgitating his bills stat book verbatim. :blah:
 
RalphJr said:
UGH...as a bills fan I will apologize for most of these maroons, they're embarrasing me and I didn't even do anything. Sorry guys, when you get "flyovers" from other boards they tend to be the kind of posters you don't want in the first place. I just came here to pick your brains so I know my opponent better. Believe me, not all bills fans think Houston is "agurentedwinonOpeningdaycuzour assssitentcoacheesarebitterthenyous".

Will be a tough game on both sides no doubt.
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Did i say we would win because of the assitant coaches moron? u should talk trying to act suprior all i said we have a better staff if not that then why have asstitant coaches ***** u really piss me off for being a bills fan u know iu don't think u are a tru bills fan. houston has a good team but they have a lot of weakness in their defense like their linebackers GRR. just shut up ralph jr. i'm sorry but guys like u make me ashamed to be a bills fan . Truly college kids are stupid from here
 
DC_ROCK said:
You are just feeding the fire ATX. This guy isnt really listening to you, and your points, but merely regurgitating his bills stat book verbatim. :blah:
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okay then why do people say the patriots are good or the steelers if u don't count stats from last year? the texans and bills have to be judged by the past or their would be no conversation here wish Vinny was here to say something about this
 
Evans Fan said:
okay then why do people say the patriots are good or the steelers if u don't count stats from last year? the texans and bills have to be judged by the past or their would be no conversation here wish Vinny was here to say something about this
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Shouldnt you be in 5th period?

Listen EVANS FAN,

If you dont want to get his point, you dont have to. He is saying the outcome of this game cant be predicted merely on satistics from last year. And that is all. But you guys keep coming back with, "#2 in defense, #1 in ST" over and over.
 
DC_ROCK said:
Shouldnt you be in 5th period?

Listen EVANS FAN,

If you dont want to get his point, you dont have to. He is saying the outcome of this game cant be predicted merely on satistics from last year. And that is all. But you guys keep coming back with, "#2 in defense, #1 in ST" over and over.
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Don't feed the trolls DCRock...Its not worth your time. Bill fans are over on thier message board predicting a SB! Those guys are worse then JagOff fan...
 
LosmanEvansMcGahee said:
Umm... If the D was #2 last year why would it be any different?

ST is same.


The O is really the only thing that changed and it got better.
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Why would a team go to the Super Bowl one year and have a losing record the next?
 
Doug said:
Why would a team go to the Super Bowl one year and have a losing record the next?
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I don't know, but maybe the raiders or bucs can help you answer that.
 
DC_ROCK said:
Shouldnt you be in 5th period?

Listen EVANS FAN,

If you dont want to get his point, you dont have to. He is saying the outcome of this game cant be predicted merely on satistics from last year. And that is all. But you guys keep coming back with, "#2 in defense, #1 in ST" over and over.
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then why do u bring up what aj did to us as a rookie and what davis did last year and what your defense did last year? Shouldn't u u be finishing your theisis? JK :) Anyway what do u want to judge this game on? the players on each team? I really don't see how u can not base the outcome of the game on stats or maybe u want to base it on what yeah team has done in the preseason . I don't know all i kno is what both teams did last year. Plus I don't think the Bills will make it to the SB to the playoffs sure but that's it.
 
LOL, DC rock and all you guys are right, but without stats and last year we'd have nothing to talk about. That would be pretty boring.
 
atxcoolguy said:
I don't know, but maybe the raiders or bucs can help you answer that.
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Cool, It was a question to "LosmanEvansMcgahee" with a little sarcasm behind it. He had asked "If the D was #2 last year why would it be any different?".
 
Evans Fan said:
it's more than u guys have with that defense of yours.
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We also have a team that throws "our defense is one of the best in the leauge" cards at us all the time.

And what do we do? Beat them in both games by a combined score of 41-6.
 
Yep Bill's fans ought to be greatful to us. You were able to control your own destiny going into the last game of the season thanks to the Texans (week 16 win over the Jags). It isn't our fault that you got beat by the Steelers 2nd and 3rd stringers to deny you a playoff bid.
 
Doug said:
Cool, It was a question to "LosmanEvansMcgahee" with a little sarcasm behind it. He had asked "If the D was #2 last year why would it be any different?".
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yeah i know, i just put that up in hopes he would read that and think. but i highly doubt he'll ever do that.
 
TheOgre said:
Yep Bill's fans ought to be greatful to us. You were able to control your own destiny going into the last game of the season thanks to the Texans (week 16 win over the Jags). It isn't our fault that you got beat by the Steelers 2nd and 3rd stringers to deny you a playoff bid.
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lol. burn
 
I'll reserve my opinion till the season starts. I haven't watched one second of any Bills games and probably won't but the media coverage will increase as the game gets closer and I'd like to see what kind of team they are predicted to have.
 
I just saw the SportsCenter highlights of the Bills/Bears game. Not sure of the final score or how many points the backups scored but I believe the Bills only scored 13 points (against the BEARS def)... Even with a good def, I dont think 13 points is going to cut it against most teams. :tv:
 
Davis37 said:
I just saw the SportsCenter highlights of the Bills/Bears game. Not sure of the final score or how many points the backups scored but I believe the Bills only scored 13 points (against the BEARS def)... Even with a good def, I dont think 13 points is going to cut it against most teams. :tv:
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its just a meaningless preseason game. dont be shocked if they put up 30 on us
 
stephen1 said:
its just a meaningless preseason game. dont be shocked if they put up 30 on us
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Even though it is a preseason game, the 3rd game is when its time to see what ur teams can do (w/o having any injuries). Like I said, I didnt get to watch the game but they didnt put up many points against the Bears def. I also noticed to the stats ticker that Mcgahee (sp?) rushed 21 times for only 61 yards. Im not sure that's the exact stat but it was very low for 21 rushes.
 
TheOgre said:
Yep Bill's fans ought to be greatful to us. You were able to control your own destiny going into the last game of the season thanks to the Texans (week 16 win over the Jags). It isn't our fault that you got beat by the Steelers 2nd and 3rd stringers to deny you a playoff bid.
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Not like it's an excuse for losing to Pitts 2nd string, but in that last week we DIDN'T actually control our own destiny. We had to win and the Jets had to lose. Once the Jets saw on their scoreboard that we weren't going to beat pittsburgh they basically tanked the game. They didn't TRY to lose, but they didn't try to WIN either. So who knows?

BTW, i think all this was happening while the Browns was taking you to school. So to bust on us for losing to Pitts second string...please.
 
RalphJr said:
Not like it's an excuse for losing to Pitts 2nd string, but in that last week we DIDN'T actually control our own destiny. We had to win and the Jets had to lose. Once the Jets saw on their scoreboard that we weren't going to beat pittsburgh they basically tanked the game. They didn't TRY to lose, but they didn't try to WIN either. So who knows?

BTW, i think all this was happening while the Browns was taking you to school. So to bust on us for losing to Pitts second string...please.
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Bottom line, you guys were in a playoff situation and we were not. All this talk about the jets tanking their game is irrelevant cuz you should win yours 1st and hope the rest comes out in the wash.

Let me guess, you're one of the ones who thinks your team is gonna beat ours? Hate to break the bad news to ya but it ain't goin' down like that.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
Bottom line, you guys were in a playoff situation and we were not. All this talk about the jets tanking their game is irrelevant cuz you should win yours 1st and hope the rest comes out in the wash.

Let me guess, you're one of the ones who thinks your team is gonna beat ours? Hate to break the bad news to ya but it ain't goin' down like that.
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I absolutely agree, we should have taken care of our business no matter what. No argument there.

But this talk about the Jets is NOT irrelevant because the previous posters said that thanks to you guys beating the Jags, we controlled our own destiny, which was WRONG. All I was doing was pointing that out. Read the post buddy. I said no excuses, just pointing out an error.

BTW, What does being in a playoff sit. or not have to do with anything? Were you guys dogging it to the browns because you were ALREADY out of contention? PLEASE. We both know our respective teams should have won those games, I'm just giving as good as i get. We blew it against the Pitts 2nd string, you blew it against the BROWNS. Winning is still the reason we play the game even if playoffs are already out of reach, yes?

And yes, great guess Nostradamus, i do believe my team will win Sept 11. I also believe it will be a close and hard fought game that could easily go either way, especially on opening day. Thanks for breaking the bad news to me though, would you mind giving me next weeks lotto numbers too Crescan? LMFAO!
 
Tru we totally blew that pitt game well actully Lindell blew it then Bledsoe tanked on us too. Plus the bears gam really showed me that Losman could move well he escaped so many players grasps it wasn't even funny and when he ran he didn't do a vick where he say I'll do this myself. He looked for recievers on the run and found them. That was what really impressed me. He did it against the bears which has urlacher and fast d ends so imagine what he can do against a little slower d.
 
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