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Gameday Thread - 8/14 - Texans VS 49'ers Preaseason Game 1
- Thread starter Scooter
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Let me give you one example of the difference I see.
Remember the back shoulder throw to Bryant Prescott made for Dallas' first TD? That throw had touch. Contrast that with the same type of throw Osweiler made to Hopkins when Os threw a 95 mph fastball that even Hopkins couldn't handle.
Prescott is a rookie.
Osweiler is going into his fifth year.
On both throws, Prescott's and Osweiler's, there was a clean pocket so, in those cases, O-line performance was good enough to allow a successful play.
Don't take my word for it, check out NFLN's total access. They showed both plays when talking about each respective teams' (and QB's) preseason games.
Fair warningTry not to get sick listening to David Carr explain QB play.
BYDS
Waterboy
I agree he will not start but absolutely disagree with you thinking he will barely see real action. The man is a stud, you don't sit a stud because he is a rookie.
Shorts is an injury prone wide receiver and only has 2 more years in the league than DHop and has only played in 13 more games. He doesn't really provide any more veteran presence than Hop.
Where have you seen he is having "one helluva camp"?
Texansballer74
The Marine
So basically we are going off of one preseason game.
Come on dude you are indeed tripping.
Brock have made that same throw playing for the Broncos. If you don't believe me, well follow your own advice.
Again Dat is playing with one of the best offensive line in the game today. Not only that he played more series than Brock.
Then again is this not the 1st preseason game.
Go look how Rodgers, RG3, and Wilson looked in their 1st few series.
Texansballer74
The Marine
From a lot of the beat writers covering the Texans.
Miller will see limited minutes. He still have Shorts, Strong and Hunt to beat out for playing time. Lamar Miller will line up a lot in the passing game as well.
But hey we shall see
I hope you don't mean those same beat writers that make virtually everyone on both sides of the ball seem like Pro Bowlers. It was the offseason and in practice, so looking bad is not really the norm for reports from beat writers. Take what you read from them with a metric ton of salt about any player and just wait for them to actually play the games.
Not saying what I described will be Osweiler's ceiling. Not at all. I fully expect improvement. As he gets more knowledgeable in this offense I'm sure he'll get better.
Like you say, this is the first preseason game.
It just struck me as weird that a 4th round rookie had better touch - on a route that EVERYBODY runs - than a four-year NFL vet (albeit who has limited reps).
b0ng
Bad Hombre
It's about consistency for me. If Prescott can hit a difficult throw like that repeatedly in all situations then the Cowboys got a hell of a bargain. If Os can't make difficult (and easy) throws consistently he will probably not be a starter for very long because O'Brien will pull him. If there is one thing I am not worried about its Bill O'Brien sticking with a QB for too long.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Those same beat writers will tell you when players drop passes and if they're having a bad camp.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
Who Dat? Sorry, couldn't resist! Especially with the Saints coming to town!
BWHAHAHA good one Insideop.
Well played.
Yes they do, but unless a player is really bad (like cut/waive bad), they usually fluff them up. Point is, games are played for a reason and we should all take any beat writer offseason report for what it is, a report about practice during the offseason.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I don't put too much stock into what they be saying. Plus I've seen how Cecil performs in live action. ( when healthy of course)
OT..... but I too struggled with that saying. Turns out the original saying, take it with a grain of salt... because a grain of salt makes no difference. Now as you say, a metric tons of salt... you can do quite a lot with a metric tons of salt, it makes a huge difference.
BYDS
Waterboy
The one thing to remember is that without Os the Broncos do not even make the playoffs. He beat two very good teams in the Pats and Bengals. He is not a scrub QB.
I finally got to watch the whole game.
Did anyone notice how in that 3rd offensive series that Oz started getting sharper?
You could see the competitiveness start to take over...........and they yank him.
Lol
It took Savage about 5 series to start looking decent.
Savage played alright, he's not a world beater though. He's comfortable with this system and should be a good backup.
No doubt that Oz is the man.
Strong looks good!
Tackling needs to be addressed, lol
I love me some Lamar!
Did anyone notice how in that 3rd offensive series that Oz started getting sharper?
You could see the competitiveness start to take over...........and they yank him.
Lol
It took Savage about 5 series to start looking decent.
Savage played alright, he's not a world beater though. He's comfortable with this system and should be a good backup.
No doubt that Oz is the man.
Strong looks good!
Tackling needs to be addressed, lol
I love me some Lamar!
The way I look at it is how good would the Texans have been last year if Oz, playing as he did, had been our QB instead of all the others.
I'm guessing we win a few more games and that KC debacle turns out differently in the playoffs.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
You're entire argument is based off of one pass attempt...
Hmm... Tom Savage was not the guy I wanted to draft. However, when he was drafted, I rationalized it thinking... he's got the size & the tools. Actually, he's got everything I look for in a 1st round QB, except experience.
Well, we know why he didn't play much in college. It wasn't because he couldn't play. In fact, what little he did play, well... he impressed as a freshman. Got hurt, transferred, transferred, walked on & won the starting job. He looked rusty at the beginning of that season, but progressed very well as the season went on.
I've yet to see enough to say he can't be more than a back up in this league. I do applaud the Texans for not waiting on him... but I'm not ready to say he'll never be more than a back up, as the only thing that really separates back ups from starters is how they handle game time situations.
Are you sure it was Cliett? The report that JB posted said Cliett was out with a strained hamstring. http://www.texanstalk.com/posts/2620416/
"Offensive tackle Derek Newton and inside linebacker Reshard Cliett are still out with strained hamstrings."
Sorry, double post!
Yeah, that bugged me too.
What argument? It was an evaluation of that pass.
I was disappointed with the lack of touch.
But.....
I say again, I expect him to improve with time.
Not to sound like a smart-ass, but I re-watched the end of the game after your post to be sure which plays he was in on. The number on his jersey was 58, and the name was spelled Cliett.
Wow... I was most impressed with Reader. Thought he lived up to the hype. Just imagining him with our starting DL... I think he'll be a monster.
Well I guess his injury (hammy) wasn't as bad as first thought, and that's a good thing! Cliett, to me, is "on the bubble" to even make this team and he is going to have to really prove himself during the next few PS games if he wants to stick. Even then he may end up on the Practice Squad.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Didn't notice him in the game, but I believe you because he was definitely suited up for the game. I saw him on the sidelines sweating.