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steelbtexan said:
I'm in agreement with you but was wondering how others felt. I was the guy that wanted to build the OL instead of picking Watson because this is how I thought things would work out.
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I thought that O'Brien would realize how bad the line was and create more quick passing plays. Intentional pocket movement. Roll out passing. Anything to acknowledge the detriment. Instead the cocky son of a ***** has Deshaun taking 7 step drops and making it easy for defensive backs to anticipate routes.

I also thought I had witnessed the worst professional offensive line last year. It couldn't possibly get worse.

I was wrong and yet I still see teams making moves for offensive linemen out there and we promote guys from our own practice squad. I mean they couldn't even get a backup position on the worst line in history how will they help? Why aren't the Texans trying to pick up a more competent player from another teams practice squad? Dangle a pick for a swing tackle that another team can live without. ANYBODY out there would be better than what we have.

Inquire, do something. Inactivity is not a good look especially if Watson ends up hurt.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I thought that O'Brien would realize how bad the line was and create more quick passing plays. Intentional pocket movement. Roll out passing. Anything to acknowledge the detriment. Instead the cocky son of a ***** has Deshaun taking 7 step drops and making it easy for defensive backs to anticipate routes.
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Read this.....basically it's about how O'Brien is ****ing Watson up.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/26/deshaun-watson-houston-texans-bill-obrien

Apologies...I see you posted this in another thread already.
 
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Uncle Rico said:
I thought that O'Brien would realize how bad the line was and create more quick passing plays. Intentional pocket movement. Roll out passing. Anything to acknowledge the detriment. Instead the cocky son of a ***** has Deshaun taking 7 step drops and making it easy for defensive backs to anticipate routes.

I also thought I had witnessed the worst professional offensive line last year. It couldn't possibly get worse.

I was wrong and yet I still see teams making moves for offensive linemen out there and we promote guys from our own practice squad. I mean they couldn't even get a backup position on the worst line in history how will they help? Why aren't the Texans trying to pick up a more competent player from another teams practice squad? Dangle a pick for a swing tackle that another team can live without. ANYBODY out there would be better than what we have.

Inquire, do something. Inactivity is not a good look especially if Watson ends up hurt.
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Agreed

They did bring in David Sharpe and Roderick Johnson.

LOL
 
NFL online site suggest that fantasy players start Luck this week.

I know diddly about all this fantasy stuff but this didn't strike me as being a positive for the Texans? :confused:

Sounds as though we couldn't even win a make believe game. :rolleyes:

:coffee:
 
I expect I'll be watching the Browns and checking this game's score from time to time.
 
If Andrew Luck can make all the throws, why hasn’t he done it yet?September 27, 2018, 6:09 PM EDT

Colts quarterback Andrew Luck says that his surgically repaired throwing shoulder has healed well enough that he knows he can make all the throws. But his actions don’t match his words.

Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young said on PTI that he has watched Luck since college and can see that Luck’s arm is not the same.

“I was a season ticket holder at Stanford,” Young said. “I used to go over and watch Andrew Luck, and as a quarterback I used to watch him throw the ball and go, ‘That’s beautiful. That’s amazing.’ I haven’t seen the guy throw the ball like that. And so I have a deep appreciation for how he throws the ball. It is not being thrown that way right now. He cannot drive the football. He can’t throw it the way he used to.”

According to Mike Clay of ESPN, Luck has not attempted a pass with a depth over 31 yards even once this season. During Luck’s previous five seasons, he totaled 114 pass attempts with a depth over 31 yards.

Luck played 70 games in his first five seasons, so he was previously averaging 1.6 attempts per game that went 31 yards downfield or longer. To play three straight games and not even try a pass that deep once would strongly suggest that the Colts aren’t confident enough in Luck’s arm strength to trust him to throw deep.

And, of course, we don’t have to speculate about what the Colts are thinking about Luck’s arm: We saw it at the end of Sunday’s loss to the Eagles. With the Colts trailing 20-16, they took over at their own 11-yard line with 39 seconds left. That’s a situation when NFL teams throw deep. But what did the Colts do? They had luck throw six consecutive short passes, then come out of the game to be replaced by Jacoby Brissett for a Hail Mary.

If Luck can make deep throws, he should have thrown deep at the end of Sunday’s game. And until we see him throw deep the way we used to, it’s hard to take seriously his claims that his shoulder is as good as new.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If Andrew Luck can make all the throws, why hasn’t he done it yet?September 27, 2018, 6:09 PM EDT

Colts quarterback Andrew Luck says that his surgically repaired throwing shoulder has healed well enough that he knows he can make all the throws. But his actions don’t match his words.

Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young said on PTI that he has watched Luck since college and can see that Luck’s arm is not the same.

“I was a season ticket holder at Stanford,” Young said. “I used to go over and watch Andrew Luck, and as a quarterback I used to watch him throw the ball and go, ‘That’s beautiful. That’s amazing.’ I haven’t seen the guy throw the ball like that. And so I have a deep appreciation for how he throws the ball. It is not being thrown that way right now. He cannot drive the football. He can’t throw it the way he used to.”

According to Mike Clay of ESPN, Luck has not attempted a pass with a depth over 31 yards even once this season. During Luck’s previous five seasons, he totaled 114 pass attempts with a depth over 31 yards.

Luck played 70 games in his first five seasons, so he was previously averaging 1.6 attempts per game that went 31 yards downfield or longer. To play three straight games and not even try a pass that deep once would strongly suggest that the Colts aren’t confident enough in Luck’s arm strength to trust him to throw deep.

And, of course, we don’t have to speculate about what the Colts are thinking about Luck’s arm: We saw it at the end of Sunday’s loss to the Eagles. With the Colts trailing 20-16, they took over at their own 11-yard line with 39 seconds left. That’s a situation when NFL teams throw deep. But what did the Colts do? They had luck throw six consecutive short passes, then come out of the game to be replaced by Jacoby Brissett for a Hail Mary.

If Luck can make deep throws, he should have thrown deep at the end of Sunday’s game. And until we see him throw deep the way we used to, it’s hard to take seriously his claims that his shoulder is as good as new.
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Texans Jinx Mode 9000 initiated ..... Andrew Luck 400 yard game confirmed.
 
Good morning Texans fans !!! Minus the poor start to the season I hope everyone is doing well. You guys are my favorite group of fans next to my team !!!
Just thought I would say hey since my son and I will be travelling from Cincinnati to catch the game this weekend.

I've kept up to this point and it saddens me to see the Texans deal with the same o-line issues my beloved Bengals had last year. It just ruins everything the team has going on.
That being said, when you don't have a 1st or 2nd round pick in what was one of the worst o-line drafts in forever, it's hard to make improvements.
Trades, like my Bengals made to get LT Cordy Glenn from the Bills (which has been great to this point) are not the norm.

Even though my Bengals took OC Billy Price in the 1st round, I blasted them for not doing more.
EVERY team scrambles to improve their o-line and impact players are not waiting around to be called to duty.
I just think it was going to be hard to improve the Texans o-line this year, given the situation, without giving up even more in a trade.

Hopefully they can put it together to hand the Colts a loss this Sunday and our drive back home will be happier than last years !!!
Looking to the future, my son (now 12) informed me the Bengals travel to Houston in the 2020 season. Road trip is already in the planning phase.
It's been a few years since we've been down that way and he's older now, so this time we will have to get in some tailgating !!!

We will be rooting hard in Indy !!!
Take care everyone...
 
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Deepi Sidhu

✔@DeepSlant
https://twitter.com/DeepSlant/status/1045702658282139648

Head coach Bill O’Brien emphasizes importance of redzone scoring. #Texans rank 6th in redzone trips but near bottom of league in scoring.

10:51 AM - Sep 28, 2018

Brian T. Smith

✔@ChronBrianSmith
https://twitter.com/ChronBrianSmith/status/1045703211737387010

O'Brien: "Talk is cheap." #Texans

10:54 AM - Sep 28, 2018

patrick

✔@PatDStat
https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/1045703218880237568

Bill O’Brien says rookie WR Keke Coutee is back from his hamstring injury. Everything holds true, Sunday will be his debut for the #Texans.

10:54 AM - Sep 28, 2018
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If Andrew Luck can make all the throws, why hasn’t he done it yet?September 27, 2018, 6:09 PM EDT

Colts quarterback Andrew Luck says that his surgically repaired throwing shoulder has healed well enough that he knows he can make all the throws. But his actions don’t match his words.

Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young said on PTI that he has watched Luck since college and can see that Luck’s arm is not the same.

“I was a season ticket holder at Stanford,” Young said. “I used to go over and watch Andrew Luck, and as a quarterback I used to watch him throw the ball and go, ‘That’s beautiful. That’s amazing.’ I haven’t seen the guy throw the ball like that. And so I have a deep appreciation for how he throws the ball. It is not being thrown that way right now. He cannot drive the football. He can’t throw it the way he used to.”

According to Mike Clay of ESPN, Luck has not attempted a pass with a depth over 31 yards even once this season. During Luck’s previous five seasons, he totaled 114 pass attempts with a depth over 31 yards.

Luck played 70 games in his first five seasons, so he was previously averaging 1.6 attempts per game that went 31 yards downfield or longer. To play three straight games and not even try a pass that deep once would strongly suggest that the Colts aren’t confident enough in Luck’s arm strength to trust him to throw deep.

And, of course, we don’t have to speculate about what the Colts are thinking about Luck’s arm: We saw it at the end of Sunday’s loss to the Eagles. With the Colts trailing 20-16, they took over at their own 11-yard line with 39 seconds left. That’s a situation when NFL teams throw deep. But what did the Colts do? They had luck throw six consecutive short passes, then come out of the game to be replaced by Jacoby Brissett for a Hail Mary.

If Luck can make deep throws, he should have thrown deep at the end of Sunday’s game. And until we see him throw deep the way we used to, it’s hard to take seriously his claims that his shoulder is as good as new.
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Man, just watched the Colts/Eagles game - Luck just has zero zip on the ball. Everything is just floating out of his hand.
 
austins23 said:
And TY with 285 of them.
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I think this might be an accurate prediction.

Very few Texans players wants to show fight. Just riding the wave many of em. Why I enjoy watching Saint and Seahawks games. Those guys go full force all the time even when they are depleted. They want contact and then some.
 
BOBdaFRAUD said:
I think this might be an accurate prediction.

Very few Texans players wants to show fight. Just riding the wave many of em. Why I enjoy watching Saint and Seahawks games. Those guys go full force all the time even when they are depleted. They want contact and then some.
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I agree with this. I will say watching Fuller lower the boom and truck somebody last week was pretty awesome, and while I don't want to see it Watson throwing his shoulder and blocking after Hopkins decided on his screen to run across the field was also nice to see
 
COMPLETIONS PERCENTAGES

Luck 68.5% 662yds 5.3 yd/pass

Watson 59.4% 871 yds 8.2 yd/pass


Interesting to look at 2018 Luck and Watson in regard to the below:

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Next Generation Stats
The Limitations of Completion Percentage (Comp Pct)

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In each of the last two seasons, a quarterback has broken the single-season Completion Percentage record. Sam Bradford set a new record in 2016 (71.6%) only to be broken by Drew Brees one season later (72.0%). Can we assume Bradford and Brees are two of the most accurate passers in NFL history? Or does their propensity to target higher probability passes inflate their Comp Pct? Bradford averaged 6.8 air yards per pass attempt in his record-breaking season, 1.7 yards below the 3-year average (8.5 air yards per attempt). Brees averaged 6.3 air yards per pass attempt, 2.2 yards below average. Adding context to Comp Pct to account for pass difficulty tells us more about a quarterback than traditional box score statistics.
 
Doc - diverging slightly to Luck's extremely low yards per pass this season, and the fact that his coach pulled him for his backup to fire a long hail-mary pass, how bad do you think Luck's shoulder still is relatively to pre-injury?
 
PolarBear said:
Doc - diverging slightly to Luck's extremely low yards per pass this season, and the fact that his coach pulled him for his backup to fire a long hail-mary pass, how bad do you think Luck's shoulder still is relatively to pre-injury?
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As much as it's being downplayed, it would not surprise me if this is as good as it gets.......and, in my opinion, as the season progresses with more and more wear and tear (especially if he tries to push his passing distance beyond his shoulder's capabilities), it is only likely to go down hill.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
COMPLETIONS PERCENTAGES

Luck 68.5% 662yds 5.3 yd/pass

Watson 59.4% 871 yds 8.2 yd/pass


Interesting to look at 2018 Luck and Watson in regard to the below:

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Next Generation Stats
The Limitations of Completion Percentage (Comp Pct)

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In each of the last two seasons, a quarterback has broken the single-season Completion Percentage record. Sam Bradford set a new record in 2016 (71.6%) only to be broken by Drew Brees one season later (72.0%). Can we assume Bradford and Brees are two of the most accurate passers in NFL history? Or does their propensity to target higher probability passes inflate their Comp Pct? Bradford averaged 6.8 air yards per pass attempt in his record-breaking season, 1.7 yards below the 3-year average (8.5 air yards per attempt). Brees averaged 6.3 air yards per pass attempt, 2.2 yards below average. Adding context to Comp Pct to account for pass difficulty tells us more about a quarterback than traditional box score statistics.
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How many games did Bradford play last year though? Also Ken Anderson 1982 was the strike shortened season so only 9 games, it's going to be easier to have a higher percentage like that in fewer games. Drew Brees in 2009, 2011, and 2017 those are impressive because it's for a full season.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As much as it's being downplayed, it would not surprise me if this is as good as it gets.......and, in my opinion, as the season progresses with more and more wear and tear (especially if he tries to push his passing distance beyond his shoulder's capabilities), it is only likely to go down hill.
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This is why this game needs to be a win. If and that's a big if this team can pull it together, beating Colts now and then later after Luck has lossed it, and win to split with Titans could have Jags coming to Houston in a very important game for both after Christmas even more so if we beat Jags in Florida in first game. Hand me another cup of Koolaid.
 
Shoulder injuries are usually death sentences for a baseball pitcher. I would assume it might be the same for a QB especially when you factor in he is going to get hit on it again at some point.
 
I hate losing to those Dolts more than anything. But the line favors them by 1 point. If the Toros win the toss they better elect to receive, for if they defer, the Dolts will open the 2nd half with a successful onside kick if they need to.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
COMPLETIONS PERCENTAGES

Luck 68.5% 662yds 5.3 yd/pass

Watson 59.4% 871 yds 8.2 yd/pass


Interesting to look at 2018 Luck and Watson in regard to the below:

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Next Generation Stats
The Limitations of Completion Percentage (Comp Pct)

0ap3000000967346.png



In each of the last two seasons, a quarterback has broken the single-season Completion Percentage record. Sam Bradford set a new record in 2016 (71.6%) only to be broken by Drew Brees one season later (72.0%). Can we assume Bradford and Brees are two of the most accurate passers in NFL history? Or does their propensity to target higher probability passes inflate their Comp Pct? Bradford averaged 6.8 air yards per pass attempt in his record-breaking season, 1.7 yards below the 3-year average (8.5 air yards per attempt). Brees averaged 6.3 air yards per pass attempt, 2.2 yards below average. Adding context to Comp Pct to account for pass difficulty tells us more about a quarterback than traditional box score statistics.
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What was their team record during those years? If those higher probability passes help win games, I'm all for it. Do whatever it takes to win.

Those more difficult passes Watson is chunking (if that is in fact the reason for the disparity) ain't helping us win games.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As much as it's being downplayed, it would not surprise me if this is as good as it gets.......and, in my opinion, as the season progresses with more and more wear and tear (especially if he tries to push his passing distance beyond his shoulder's capabilities), it is only likely to go down hill.
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Will this be degenerative like Schaub's foot where it will feel ok at the start of a season and just get worse as the season goes on?
 
texanhead08 said:
Shoulder injuries are usually death sentences for a baseball pitcher. I would assume it might be the same for a QB especially when you factor in he is going to get hit on it again at some point.
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Pitchers throw from a stationary position to a stationary target. Footballs are heavier.............and QBs have to be throwing them in a myriad of directions to players moving in a myriad of directions.............while the QB must commonly throw while having to move himself. The shoulder on a QB vs a pitcher must be much more versatile while being at least just as durable..
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
When you look at the completion percentages of Watson and Luck posted above, keep in mind that Texans opponents thus far have a 73.3% completion percentage against us.
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I don’t expect it to improve. Texanballer can probably confirm this, I used to be an NFL stat junkie; I was a Quality Engineer after all. Now I just eyeball the team and I can only guess the Texans defense is bottom five at 3rd down stops.
 
Just like when people were gushing over how good the front 7 could be I said they won't sack the qb every play the guys on the back end scared me then and they scare me now. The Giants used crossing patterns over and over and we never did stop it last week.
 
texanhead08 said:
Pretty much we need CB's just as bad as we need 2 good OT's.
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Give me 3 OL, in Rd.1 and Rd.2 two OL. I'm tired of watching the franchise QB getting the crap beat out of him week after week. If you want a CB trade back into RD. 2 using your 3rd/4th rd picks and spend that cap space to get a couple of FA CB's even if that means trading/letting Clowney walk.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Give me 3 OL in Rd.1 and Rd.2 two OL. I'm tired of watching the franchise QB getting the crap beat out of him week after week. If you want a CB trade back into RD. 2 using your 3rd/4th rd picks and spend that cap space to get a couple of FA CB's even if that means trading/letting Clowney walk.
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We need to stop taking projects we need OT's who can play day 1 not 4yrs down the road.
 
texanhead08 said:
We need to stop taking projects we need OT's who can play day 1 not 4yrs down the road.
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First thing I thought when I read this, horse in front of cart.

We've got 2nd & 3rd year players who are still not ready. We have first round prospects that seem to get worse every year.

We've got to find a GM who can find the perfect player for the position we need who can be coached by T-pot

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infantrycak said:
15th at 38% allowed.
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Better than I thought. I should have known better, considering who they’ve played. And I’ve only seen about 6 quarters of Texans football this year. Screw it, I really can’t comment on this team anymore this year. I’m already thinking about the draft.
 
texanhead08 said:
Just like when people were gushing over how good the front 7 could be I said they won't sack the qb every play the guys on the back end scared me then and they scare me now. The Giants used crossing patterns over and over and we never did stop it last week.
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Remember how Peyton used to annihilate us using Dallas Clark? I expect that this week so hard.
 
Part of the fun in being a fan is looking forward to the games. Anxiously awaiting game time.

No more.

Sounds like I am not the only one here who has lost that part of fandom.

Expecting a loss is a real downer. Especially losing to bottom rung teams.

Never thought I would be so lackadaisical toward the team. Having no positive expectations.

:coffee:
 
banned1976 said:
Better than I thought. I should have known better, considering who they’ve played. And I’ve only seen about 6 quarters of Texans football this year. Screw it, I really can’t comment on this team anymore this year. I’m already thinking about the draft.
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This is the time of yr that Texans fans more often than not start looking forward to the draft. As a franchise there have been many more looking forward to the draft moments than anything they've done on the field.

The fact Texans have had more 1-1 draft picks than 10 win seasons should speak volumes to Texans fans about how much this franchise values winning and that doesn't even include last yrs fiasco.
 
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