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Favre Thread - Traded to Jets

WWJD said:
He's fighting for what he thinks is right. And I happen to agree with him. I don't sit here and think Brett has an out of control ego. I think he just wants to play! But ya know to each his own....
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So tell him to stop flip-flopping. If he wanted to play, he should have never "retired" and cried on the podium.
 
WWJD said:
He's fighting for what he thinks is right. And I happen to agree with him. I don't sit here and think Brett has an out of control ego. I think he just wants to play! But ya know to each his own....
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Agree. But he should just come out and say it.
 
WWJD said:
He's fighting for what he thinks is right. And I happen to agree with him. I don't sit here and think Brett has an out of control ego. I think he just wants to play! But ya know to each his own....
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Guess that is where we are fundamentally different. I'm for the betterment of the team long term and not one man's agenda.

Round and round we go...at least this kills some offseason time I guess. Pick a stance and defend it till Opening Night and/or he retires...again...and again...
 
PapaL said:
Guess that is where we are fundamentally different. I'm for the betterment of the team long term and not one man's agenda.

Round and round we go...at least this kills some offseason time I guess. Pick a stance and defend it till Opening Night and/or he retires...again...and again...
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And he has every right to keep retiring.
 
This just seems like a win-win for Green Bay in my book:

Brett wants to play:

If you think Aaron Rodgers gives you the best chance of winning, trade Brett
If you tihkn Brett gives you the best chance of winning, play Brett

So either you get something for someone who wasnt even available to trade before, or you get a better QB.

The only reason this is bad for GB is because they can't decide which of the two is right
 
gtexan02 said:
This just seems like a win-win for Green Bay in my book:

Brett wants to play:

If you think Aaron Rodgers gives you the best chance of winning, trade Brett
If you tihkn Brett gives you the best chance of winning, play Brett

So either you get something for someone who wasnt even available to trade before, or you get a better QB.

The only reason this is bad for GB is because they can't decide which of the two is right
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Out of these two things they should trade him.
 
gary said:
I want to play but not with GB.
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Not sure I'm understanding your POV but he DID answer that question in that interview. He talks about his role there, his retirement, his relationship with management, why he retired when he did, what he's been told by the Packers both in March and now...and on and on.

Like I said he just couldn't have been more direct. He didn't dodge any questions that we've been talking about on this thread.

Agree or not that's up to each person. But he answered the questions.
 
WWJD said:
Not sure I'm understanding your POV but he DID answer that question in that interview. He talks about his role there, his retirement, his relationship with management, why he retired when he did, what he's been told by the Packers both in March and now...and on and on.

Like I said he just couldn't have been more direct. He didn't dodge any questions that we've been talking about on this thread.

Agree or not that's up to each person. But he answered the questions.
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Maybe I missed some of it.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
So tell him to stop flip-flopping. If he wanted to play, he should have never "retired" and cried on the podium.
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So you have never changed your mind in your life, in regards to an emotional event? If you would have saw the interview on FOX he did say that he made a mistake in retiring and that he rushed into it with to much emotion.

I put in my two weeks notice before at a job and after doing more research I realized that the new job was not right for me. I talked to my boss about it and he said no problem you can keep your job. I would have been screwed if he said nope sorry but we already found your replacement. I know several people this has happened to. We are humans we make decisions based upon emotion a lot and when that happens we sometimes regret the decisions we have made and change our minds. To trash Brett over this is kind a odd because it is his right to change his mind and if the Packers want to move on without him, which is plain to see then they should release him. which of course they could try and screw Brett by trading him to crappy team, but what would prevent the crappy team from then trading him to a team he wants to play for?
 
Specnatz said:
So you have never changed your mind in your life, in regards to an emotional event? If you would have saw the interview on FOX he did say that he made a mistake in retiring and that he rushed into it with to much emotion.

I put in my two weeks notice before at a job and after doing more research I realized that the new job was not right for me. I talked to my boss about it and he said no problem you can keep your job. I would have been screwed if he said nope sorry but we already found your replacement. I know several people this has happened to. We are humans we make decisions based upon emotion a lot and when that happens we sometimes regret the decisions we have made and change our minds. To trash Brett over this is kind a odd because it is his right to change his mind and if the Packers want to move on without him, which is plain to see then they should release him. which of course they could try and screw Brett by trading him to crappy team, but what would prevent the crappy team from then trading him to a team he wants to play for?
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Agree. Great post.
 
Specnatz said:
...but what would prevent the crappy team from then trading him to a team he wants to play for?
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The Packers could put conditions on the trade, such as the draft pick escalating to a 1st round selection if Favre was double traded to a division opponent. PFT discusses that scenario here.

A popular subject contained in various e-mails we’ve received over the course of the day is a trade of Favre to a team other than the Vikings or the Bears, followed by a trade of Favre to a team like the Vikings or the Bears.

Don’t count on it happening. Our guess is that the Packers would include in any trade of Favre to someone other than the Vikings or the Bears a provision that, if Favre thereafter is traded to the Vikings or the Bears, the compensation will increase to a first-round pick, or more.

Though the Packers can’t release Favre with an understanding that he won’t sign with certain teams, the Packers presumably can condition compensation on what the team that acquires Favre’s rights does with them.

It’s no different than, for example, the trade that gave the Broncos a seventh-round pick that would have upgraded if Jake Plummer had reported to the Bucs. Or the deal that will send a fourth-round pick from Tennessee to Dallas if Pacman Jones isn’t reinstated for the 2008 season.

It’s a conditional draft pick - and the condition that would increase the compensation in the case of a Favre trade would be the re-trading of Favre to a team like the Bears or the Vikings.
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gary said:
The Packers do not want him but that does not mean he has to be done.
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When you sign the contract, then that team basically has the right to do with you whatever they want until it expires or they decide to release you from the contract. They want him to ride the pine, then as long as he's under contract, he's riding the pine.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
When you sign the contract, then that team basically has the right to do with you whatever they want until it expires or they decide to release you from the contract. They want him to ride the pine, then as long as he's under contract, he's riding the pine.
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Well, I'm just going to say that I don't think GB should be doing this.
 
gary said:
If it was I'd do the right thing and release him for the sake of both sides.
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If that's your perception of right Gary - so be it. Mine is different. He has a contract; if he wants to play then he must abide by that contract. I have no pity or apathy for athletes who want to change things after the fact (holdouts, trashing teams, complaining about contract and this whole Brett circus). To me, the right thing is holding him to his word and the contract he signed. He agreed to be part of that team if they paid him; well they are and have offered to continue to pay.
 
Specnatz said:
So you have never changed your mind in your life, in regards to an emotional event? If you would have saw the interview on FOX he did say that he made a mistake in retiring and that he rushed into it with to much emotion.

I put in my two weeks notice before at a job and after doing more research I realized that the new job was not right for me. I talked to my boss about it and he said no problem you can keep your job. I would have been screwed if he said nope sorry but we already found your replacement. I know several people this has happened to. We are humans we make decisions based upon emotion a lot and when that happens we sometimes regret the decisions we have made and change our minds.
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The main difference between your anecdote and Brett's situation is that I'm going to assume that you didn't put your boss through a six month square dance of "will he leave or not" for three years prior.

If this had been the first time that Favre considered retirement for a lengthy amount of time, then if I was Ted Thompson I'd let bygones be bygones.

However, this has been the 24th time Favre has been tugging the chain, and if I'm Ted Thompson, I stick to my guns and let Favre know that while his contribution to the organizations are highly valued and that we are eternally thankful for them, but this annual retirement circus needs to stop for good.
 
PapaL said:
If that's your perception of right Gary - so be it. Mine is different. He has a contract; if he wants to play then he must abide by that contract. I have no pity or apathy for athletes who want to change things after the fact (holdouts, trashing teams, complaining about contract and this whole Brett circus). To me, the right thing is holding him to his word and the contract he signed. He agreed to be part of that team if they paid him; well they are and have offered to continue to pay.
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How about MJ didn't he retire and come back more than once?
 
gary said:
How about MJ didn't he retire and come back more than once?
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He retired and then spent a lot of time doing something else. He was out of basketball for something like 2 years. I believe his contract had expired by the time he decided to come back.

Favre doesn't have enough time to sit out and wait for his contract to expire. He's too old.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
He retired and then spent a lot of time doing something else. He was out of basketball for something like 2 years. I believe his contract had expired by the time he decided to come back.

Favre doesn't have enough time to sit out and wait for his contract to expire. He's too old.
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Look at Vinny T.
 
gary said:
How about MJ didn't he retire and come back more than once?
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gary said:
Look at Vinny T.
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Both of these guys finished their contracts and had the liberty to do as they pleased. Neither of these guys pulled the "I'm retiring" stunt every year for years in a row.

Vinny T was asked to come back. He wasn't doing interviews calling out any of the numerous teams he played for.
 
gary said:
Look at Vinny T.
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Exactly. Look at Vinny T. A big armed, cagey vet who could occasionally get you a win coming off the bench but too old to be your starter for a 16 game season. Favre doesn't have very many seasons left in him and if he sits out a season, that season (or two or three (depending on how long he has to sit out to get out of his contract)) might have been his last one where he could be considered serious starting material.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Exactly. Look at Vinny T. A big armed, cagey vet who could occasionally get you a win coming off the bench but too old to be your starter for a 16 game season. Favre doesn't have very many seasons left in him and if he sits out a season, that season (or two or three (depending on how long he has to sit out to get out of his contract)) might have been his last one where he could be considered serious starting material.
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He has at least one good season left in him and they should let him give it go.
 
gary said:
He has at least one good season left in him and they should let him give it go.
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Are you in their locker room? Have you been on their practice fields? Have you been in their team meetings?

For us, sitting here on the outside, we don't know. We don't know if Favre is a cancer in the locker room. We don't know if all the players on his team hate his guts or if they think he's god. We don't know how Brett is holding up physically. We don't know if he has another season in him or not. We don't know if Brett was freelancing all of last year and not doing what the coaches were telling him to do. He had a bad problem earlier in his career with not doing what Holmgren told him to do (and I think that had a lot to do with Holmgren leaving the Packers.)

Frankly, for all we know, he's still using drugs to get through the seasons. Remember, for at least part of his streak of consecutive starts, he was addicted to painkillers.

We do know that Favre has played mind games with the team for a few years. He's called out other players who were negotiating their contracts.

He might have several good years left in him but he might be more of a headcase than we know and more of a headcase than the Packers are willing to put up with except in a backup role.

He's a hero to a lot of people. But he's already tarnished his image for a lot of other people.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Are you in their locker room? Have you been on their practice fields? Have you been in their team meetings?

For us, sitting here on the outside, we don't know. We don't know if Favre is a cancer in the locker room. We don't know if all the players on his team hate his guts or if they think he's god. We don't know how Brett is holding up physically. We don't know if he has another season in him or not. We don't know if Brett was freelancing all of last year and not doing what the coaches were telling him to do. He had a bad problem earlier in his career with not doing what Holmgren told him to do (and I think that had a lot to do with Holmgren leaving the Packers.)

Frankly, for all we know, he's still using drugs to get through the seasons. Remember, for at least part of his streak of consecutive starts, he was addicted to painkillers.

We do know that Favre has played mind games with the team for a few years. He's called out other players who were negotiating their contracts.

He might have several good years left in him but he might be more of a headcase than we know and more of a headcase than the Packers are willing to put up with except in a backup role.

He's a hero to a lot of people. But he's already tarnished his image for a lot of other people.
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I disagree. I do know that he wats to be a starter again and should be.
 
This is funny. I was just getting my daily dose of awfulannouncing.com and they had this little item.

I've honestly been trying to avoid Favre over the past few days as much as possible. I think it's only fair for our collective sanity. Well I saw this item over at PFT and thought it was interesting enough to pass along. The Packers recently sent out season tickets and guess who's on the Game One edition....that's right Brett Lorenzo Favre....

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Now obviously the planned this ahead of time because the Pack are retiring his jersey that night, but how odd would it be if he was on another team? What if said team was the Vikings? Interesting (not really but nothing else is going on).
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I love the world of sports. :D
 
NFL Truth & Rumors reports the following; Link:

Packers shopping Favre to...
Posted: Wednesday July 23, 2008 06:12AM ET

As the Packers wait to see whether Brett Favre will indeed file his reinstatement papers with the NFL, the club is working its way through a list of teams it sees as potential trading partners for the sort-of-retired quarterback. According to a league source, the teams on that list include the Jets, the Ravens, the Dolphins and the Houston Texans in the AFC and the Panthers, Buccaneers, Falcons and Redskins in the NFC.
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I would not be very happy about this.
 
PapaL said:
NFL Truth & Rumors reports the following; Link:



I would not be very happy about this.
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Not a good development. Throughout this whole thing I've been reveling in the fact that this has nothing to do with Houston. I don't expect anything to come out of this, but just seeing the Texans mentioned is a step in the wrong direction, IMO.

EDIT: This is funny, click on where it says "Houston Texans Message Board" :cricket: lol.
 
PapaL said:
NFL Truth & Rumors reports the following; Link:



I would not be very happy about this.
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not a big deal, Adam Schefter said on NFLTA yesterday that they've called 1/2 the league. They're probably just trying to get an idea of what teams with shaky QB situations would give up for him.

Meanwhile, he STILL hasn't filed his reinstatement papers. What is he who "just wants to play" as many have stated, waiting on? why not just file the papers & see what shakes out?

He's still acting like a baby. It looks more & more like he's trying to strong arm the packers into inserting him back in as the starter in GB or releasing him so he can go to minnesota; If he's shipped anywhere else he's just going to retire. The packers just have the stronger arm.
 
Also interesting news - Phonce records have been traced from a cell phone that was issued to Brett by the Packers. Records show numerous calls to the MIN HC and OC.

All of a sudden those tampering charges have sturdy legs to stand on.
 
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