Favre Thread - Traded to Jets

[GP]

Brett the Big Baby.

Hey Packers FO: Activate him, let him show up at camp and obviously be the huge turd that he says he'll be if he's not the starter...and then de-activate him like the Eagles did to TO. Done.

Pay him his "hush" money and sweep him to the curb via de-activation for conduct detrimental to the team. It's at THEIR discretion on player conduct, right? The NFLPA might get involved, but oh well.

The Packers can justify it by saying "Brett needs to be protected from himself. He's a Packers legend, and we want him to stay that way. Coming back at this point in his life would be a risk to his health. In fact, we're worried that Brett is not functioning, mentally, and has deluded himself into thinking he's still able to perform at a NFL-quality level. We just wanted to protect him from himself."

I hope the Big Baby doesn't get his way. For once, it;d be nice to show Brett that he's not the "God" he's been made out to be. This is what happens when players have cult followings...and Green Bay has its fair share of cultish fans who are driving this whoel deal, IMO.

 

[The Dream]

just got word from FOX news that the Packers want to keep Favre......................but he will be holding a clipboard...................................this is ****ing retarded....seriously Rodgers will have even MORE pressure on him to play well and as soon as he throws an INT or two fans will be screaming to put Favre in.................................

 

[WWJD]

Please! In order to make a point the Packers are being brain dead here. Play Brett! He's not a 2nd string QB!

 

[The Dream]

stubborn brains don't win titles..........

 

[PapaL]

Self indulged glory hounds don't either. Can't play in the present and plan for the future when the past won't leave.

 

[WWJD]

Brett gives them the best chance to win! Period! And until he doesn't you play him. Nothing against their new QB but that monkey on his back already just got about 500 pounds heavier. Before he was the guy replacing Favre. Now he's the guy replacing Favre who CAN play and wants to play.

 

[The Dream]

^^^and will the church say AMEN???

 

[GP]

FAVRE NOT IN A HURRY TO FILE FOR REINSTATEMENT (update)

From espn.com (link:Brett Calls A Timeout:Sees Playclock Winding Down)

"We have no definite plans to ask for reinstatement," Favre's agent, James "Bus" Cook, said of the former Packers quarterback, who has asked the team for his release. "Right now we have until the sixth week [of the regular season] and Brett has made it pretty clear that he is not willing to come in as a backup.

"If he asks for reinstatement and they start fining him $15,000 a day [for not reporting to training camp], well that just doesn't make sense," Cook said.

"We're going to let Green Bay decide what they want to do. It's their move."

BWAHAHAHA!

That's right, homey. It is "THEIR" move, and Brett seriously miscalculated this whole situation. He figured a little publicity here and there, a rumor dropped onto ESPN about his message to the Packers, and some major media coverage would get him back in for some negotiations.

Now it seems Big Baby Brett understands his role and is backing off.

The agent makes reference to fines for not attending camp...so you KNOW that Brett was going to pull his old "I'm a legend and I don't have to come to camp" routine. Heck, he LIED last year about why he couldn't attend camp. Now he's just being overly honest by having his agent say "Well, Brett's not filing for re-instatement since it'd cost Brett some big money for being a turd and not reporting to camp."

But Brett "just wants to play ball" remember?

Hey Brett: Don't file for retirement. This is what happens when you do.

 

[The Dream]

the packers look ridiculous right now. People act as if Favre is the first athlete to "unretire" or take long periods of time to decide if he wants to retire or not. Why is he a baby???, because he wants to win a superbowl with the franchise he loves???? Some people act as if he purposely did all of this for fun and games....Brett would probably be the first to tell you that he made a mistake by making an announcement too early (although people always bash him for holding out...who knows maybe waiting to make a decision actually is a good reason??). The "right" and "smart" thing to do if you're serious about winning and doing what's best for your city, franchise, fan base, etc. is let Favre start.....................

 

[Texecutioner]

the packers look ridiculous right now. People act as if Favre is the first athlete to "unretire" or take long periods of time to decide if he wants to retire or not. Why is he a baby???, because he wants to win a superbowl with the franchise he loves???? Some people act as if he purposely did all of this for fun and games....Brett would probably be the first to tell you that he made a mistake by making an announcement too early (although people always bash him for holding out...who knows maybe waiting to make a decision actually is a good reason??). The "right" and "smart" thing to do if you're serious about winning and doing what's best for your city, franchise, fan base, etc. is let Favre start.....................

You and I will get bashed for this but I actually agree with SOME of what you're saying. He did go over board this year though, and do the whole crying thing. He should have just not given them an answer in my opinion and pro longed it.

If they let him go, Rogers will have to be like Steve Young when Montana left and no way is that going to happen. There will be a lot of fans upset and and thinking "What coulda been", if they would have let Brett play another year in Green Bay. Then they'll dislike Rogers because of it which will be unfair.

They might as well roll with him for one more year. Hell, they were in OT to go to the SB. Why would you not roll with the same guy? They have to high of a % chance to make it back to the SB with Brett playing there, and I don't think that it would be smart to not take one more shot at it with Brett. I'm in the minority opinion on this though, but it is an opinion and it's mine.

 

[gary]

Who ever does well in TC gets the starting job.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Sources: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre

snippet

As the days roll by, the Brett Favre saga seems to get stranger and stranger. Now the soap opera has shifted to a new level.

In the latest twist, the Packers have filed tampering charges with the league office against the Minnesota Vikings for alleged communication with Favre, still technically a member of Green Bay, FOXSports.com has learned. The league, according to a source, is currently in information-gathering mode, speaking to members of both teams.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told The Associated Press that the league had no public comment on the report. Packers general manager Ted Thompson declined to comment on tampering rumors in an interview with the AP on Saturday.

The Vikings were informed late last week that the allegation is that Favre has had inappropriate dialogue with Minnesota offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, a close Favre friend and former assistant coach with the Packers. Favre has sought his release from Green Bay and several rumors have swirled that Minnesota is his targeted landing place, largely due to his relationship with Bevell.

League sources say the Vikings vehemently denied any wrongdoing and are awaiting the league's next step in the process. The Packers, meanwhile, have supplied the league with their version of wrongdoing.

Should the league find the Vikings guilty of tampering, they could lose draft picks and/or face fines.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Bucs GM Mum On Interest In Favre

snippet from yesterday

Tampa's radio airwaves were rife with speculation Tuesday about a dinner meeting between Bucs general manager Bruce Allen and retired Packers quarterback Brett Favre.

According to the reports, which were attributed on at least one station to some "well-placed'' unnamed sources, Allen and Favre were seen dining together in Tampa on Monday night at Fleming's Steakhouse.

Fleming's does appear to be a favorite spot of Allen's. He has dined there with several future Buccaneers in the past.

Allen, however, denied having dinner there this week with Favre.

"I think the people at Fleming's can tell you that's absolutely not true,'' Allen told The Tampa Tribune on Tuesday.

Allen wouldn't discuss Favre's situation any further, saying he doesn't respond to rumors or speculation. When asked directly if the Bucs have any interest in pursuing the 38-year-old, he said, "I won't go there.''

 

[gary]

The Vikings are going to be in big trouble if this turns out to be true. Why would Brett do this at this point and time? Now I like Brett but this is just nuts already and beyond me I just don't understand this at all. Why? This is just plan dumb on the part of both sides. Why? You do want to come back don't you Brett? Then stop it already enough is enough.

 

[GP]

Who ever does well in TC gets the starting job.

If Favre were in Houston, by some weird twist of fate, would he have to compete for the job? No...98% of the fans here would want to see Favre get handed the job.

Favre is done. His agent's recent statement about Brett "suddenly" being not so anxious to rush toward reinstatement is the big tip-off that Brett knows he isn't going to win this one.

Good for the Packers FO. You let the guy come back, time and time again...trying to extend the guy's legacy and maybe give your team the best bet to win at the time...but now you know that the Favre era is over.

It takes guts to stand up to a fan favorite.

 

[edo783]

I don't know, but this could be a preemptive strike by the Packers to make sure he doesn't go to the Vikes. No way now that they could pick him up without it looking bad. His old QB coach is at the Vikes and supposedly they talked, but I haven't heard if they were talking about Brett going there. Could just be a couple of buds talking, but if not the Vikes are going to get slammed.

 

[ChampionTexan]

If Favre were in Houston, by some weird twist of fate, would he have to compete for the job? No...98% of the fans here would want to see Favre get handed the job.

Favre is done. His agent's recent statement about Brett "suddenly" being not so anxious to rush toward reinstatement is the big tip-off that Brett knows he isn't going to win this one.

Good for the Packers FO. You let the guy come back, time and time again...trying to extend the guy's legacy and maybe give your team the best bet to win at the time...but now you know that the Favre era is over.

It takes guts to stand up to a fan favorite.

So you're actually using a situation which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Texans to take pot-shots at both the FO and the fans? WTF man?

Also, as to his reinstatement (or lack thereof), I think you're reading a bit much into it. All I'm seeing is that if he chooses not to report to camp, he doesn't want to put himself in a situation where the Packers can fine him for that decision.

 

[Mr teX]

the packers look ridiculous right now. People act as if Favre is the first athlete to "unretire" or take long periods of time to decide if he wants to retire or not. Why is he a baby???, because he wants to win a superbowl with the franchise he loves???? Some people act as if he purposely did all of this for fun and games....Brett would probably be the first to tell you that he made a mistake by making an announcement too early (although people always bash him for holding out...who knows maybe waiting to make a decision actually is a good reason??). The "right" and "smart" thing to do if you're serious about winning and doing what's best for your city, franchise, fan base, etc. is let Favre start.....................

Don't give me that BS, he's thinking about himself & only himself.

If he were thinking about the franchise & its fans he'd just go ahead & step to the side & let the organization see what it has in aaron rodgers & help bring him along for this year. If he stinks it up ryan leaf style or if rodgers gets hurt... he's likely back in the saddle as the starter anyway. If it does work out... the organization that he "loves" is set at Qb for the next 10 years.

Keep in mind, he could do this with the packers still being able to deal him in the midseason to someone that might want him as the starter. If the packers win the superbowl this year & he's still on the team, he'd still gets his ring holding the clipboard knowing that he played a key role in helping rodgers & the franchise achieve it that year. Everybody's happy.

Then... if he still wanted to come back & play the next year & the AR thing worked out, it's unlikely that the pack would bring him back for 12 mil; he'd most likely be released/traded & he still gets his opportunity to be a starter elsewhere.

The smart thing in the short term might be for them to bring him back as the starter, but it's not like he puts them that much closer to going to the superbowl b/c he's not the difference maker that he once was... his last couple of playoff appearances over the years show that. you risk losing your future guy for a marginal increase in superbowl contention IMO.

 

[Texecutioner]

If Favre were in Houston, by some weird twist of fate, would he have to compete for the job? No...98% of the fans here would want to see Favre get handed the job.

Favre is done. His agent's recent statement about Brett "suddenly" being not so anxious to rush toward reinstatement is the big tip-off that Brett knows he isn't going to win this one.

Good for the Packers FO. You let the guy come back, time and time again...trying to extend the guy's legacy and maybe give your team the best bet to win at the time...but now you know that the Favre era is over.

It takes guts to stand up to a fan favorite.

Are you saying that the Farve era is over in GB, or that his era of being a good player is over?

I'm finding a hard time understanding how people seem to think that Farve shouldn't play somewhere and should just sit down. Sorry, but he just had an incredible season and was runner up to the MVP to a guy that had the best season of any QB in history. Farve can definitely still play, and help a team go to the playoffs and maybe a Super Bowl. Yeah, he may have acted annoying, unprofessional, and a little selfish, but the guy showed last year that he can still play as good as the top elite QB's in the league. There are plenty of teams that could use him right now, if the Packers want to move on and I think that it will make this season a lot more interesting to see Farve play somewhere else.

 

[PapaL]

To answer your first question, both. His era ended the day he was boohooing on stage. As far as being a good/great player; that ended a long time ago.

His wonderful season is an aberration. Guys don't get better at 38. He had a great season bu it was not all his own doing. Plus he clearly has worn down towards the end of each season for the last 5 years or so.

He clearly does not know when to hold'em or fold'em.

 

[WWJD]

Brett is STILL a great player. Last year proved that if nothing else. The QB is the most important player on any football team and the Pack was one game away from the SB. One play actually.

Fine the Packers say they don't want him. Fine. Release him and let him go to another team. The guy WANTS to play and CAN.

They owe him that much.

 

[Double Barrel]

I'm a fan of Favre, but this drama is getting goofy. Dude needs to say what he means and mean what he says. He seems to be trying to play games, which is a damn shame (mainly because he's not very good at it). Future HoF players should set an example of leadership, and I hate to say it, but this current wishy-washy head game from the Favre camp does nothing but diminish his legacy.

Damn it, Favre! If you want to play, be a man and just say it. Quit acting in a way that only serves to distract your team, because that is all this is doing. He's listening to his freakin' agent right now, instead of listening to his own heart. If he really is a team player, and he really loves the Packers, then do whatever is necessary to help them succeed. Even if that means holding a clipboard and teaching the next generation everything you can.

But, if it's all about his own ego, then that says it all.

 

[ChampionTexan]

To answer your first question, both. His era ended the day he was boohooing on stage. As far as being a good/great player; that ended a long time ago.

His wonderful season is an aberration. Guys don't get better at 38. He had a great season bu it was not all his own doing. Plus he clearly has worn down towards the end of each season for the last 5 years or so.

He clearly does not know when to hold'em or fold'em.

So that being the case, GB should take the high road and say that in order to honor Brett Favre's contribution to the Packers, they are granting his request for release. The PR aspect of this is probably better - or at least no worse - for the Packers than it is right now. If Brett signs with the Bears or Vikes, the Pack should be happy about it because they're now playing against a washed up, has been QB two times a year, plus that competitor has that QB for the other 14 games too. Would seem to make it a three team race for the NFC North.

The main reason this won't happen is because they know he's still got something in the tank, and don't want to see it benefitting a division competitor.

 

[PapaL]

So that being the case, GB should take the high road and say that in order to honor Brett Favre's contribution with the Packers, they are granting his request for release. The PR aspect of this is probably better - or at least no worse - for the Packers than it is right now. If Brett signs with the Bears or Vikes, the Pack should be happy about it because they're now playing against a washed up, has been QB two times a year.

The main reason this won't happen is because they know he's still got something in the tank, and don't want to see it benefitting a division competitor.

IMO - They do not owe him anything. He can request whatever he wants but at the end of the day he has a contract with them. I'm sure that contract does not say he will be the starting QB for GB. He "said" he wants to come back and they said sure here's the $12M we owe you and here is your clip board, welcome back.

The organization has to gauge which scenario would cause the most fall out amongst it's fan base. An icon on their bench or playing for their rivals? After all, the hold all the cards and it seems the options they are allowing him are 1.)Shut up and sit on the bench or 2.)Stay retired.

 

[Mr teX]

Brett is STILL a great player. Last year proved that if nothing else. The QB is the most important player on any football team and the Pack was one game away from the SB. One play actually.

Fine the Packers say they don't want him. Fine. Release him and let him go to another team. The guy WANTS to play and CAN.

They owe him that much.

& what was that 1 play that made the difference?

everybody wants to point out what he did last year completely ignoring the 2 years prior to that when he looked like crap. no 1 guy is above the team no matter who they are.

& They don't owe him anything...They let holmgren bring him over from ATL when he looked like he didn't belong in the NFL. They have also allowed him to keep them captive for 4 years. Lets not even talk about the money he made while in GB. He's been more than adequately compensated for what he did in GB.

& the packers don't want him as a starter, but they want him back, it's just his ego that won't let him hold a clipboard. I think even if he just came back as the 2nd string guy, the fans would be ok with that knowing they have their "ace in the hole" so to speak if the rodgers thing doesn't pan out.

 

[GP]

So you're actually using a situation which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Texans to take pot-shots at both the FO and the fans? WTF man?

Also, as to his reinstatement (or lack thereof), I think you're reading a bit much into it. All I'm seeing is that if he chooses not to report to camp, he doesn't want to put himself in a situation where the Packers can fine him for that decision.

All I have read on this site is how stupid it is to expect kubiak to allow an open competition for the QB job here. The rationale was that a team needs to know who it's "guy" is so that the team can rally around him and there's not a divided locker room. That's not ME talking...that's 98% of the board saying that (I prefer the QB to earn his job). Yet...there's nobody responding to gary's idea of having Brett compete for the job with Aaron Rodgers. Why? Here's why: Because the only reason people DON'T want an open competition in Houston is because there's a pretty good chance that someone other than Schaub will win the job. And we can't have that, can we?

And to respond to your second paragraph: Brett should report to camp and be a man. He says he toyed with the idea of "just showing up to camp," which is odd (to me) since the dude has ducked camp for the past few years--Which is it, Brett? First he says "No way I come back as a backup..." then he says "Well, I might just 'show up' at camp..." and now it's "Brett has no immediate intention to file for reinstatement...". I hope he doesn't throw his back out with all the flip flopping he's doing.

He's a turd, and it's getting exposed. Lots of people are upset at all this mess...but they're most upset because they are seeing a whole new side to the man they thought was just a good 'ole boy from the farm who is a man's man. Well...I say he's a diva in coveralls.

 

[Mr teX]

So that being the case, GB should take the high road and say that in order to honor Brett Favre's contribution to the Packers, they are granting his request for release. The PR aspect of this is probably better - or at least no worse - for the Packers than it is right now. If Brett signs with the Bears or Vikes, the Pack should be happy about it because they're now playing against a washed up, has been QB two times a year, plus that competitor has that QB for the other 14 games too. Would seem to make it a three team race for the NFC North.

that's part of it, but it's also the fan fall out of letting one of their legends go play for a rival. & whatever happened to the "leaving a place better than it was when you got there" mentality? Everyone knows that confidence is key to a qb's success & i'm sure the team rodgers has around him would help to foster his confidence a great deal.....but favre seeking more glory wont step aside.

 

[WWJD]

& what was that 1 play that made the difference?

everybody wants to point out what he did last year completely ignoring the 2 years prior to that when he looked like crap. no 1 guy is above the team no matter who they are.

& They don't owe him anything...They let holmgren bring him over from ATL when he looked like he didn't belong in the NFL. They have also allowed him to keep them captive for 4 years. Lets not even talk about the money he made while in GB. He's been more than adequately compensated for what he did in GB.

& the packers don't want him as a starter, but they want him back, it's just his ego that won't let him hold a clipboard. I think even if he just came back as the 2nd string guy, the fans would be ok with that knowing they have their "ace in the hole" so to speak if the rodgers thing doesn't pan out.

Please! Why would Brett want to come and hold a clipboard? That's not even feasible.

The only play I spoke of was an interception he threw. Very poor throw that sealed the game for the Giants.

I consider Brett a special case...he's earned the right to be given his release if they want to play Aaron. Fine. Do that. I think that's all he's saying.

 

[ChampionTexan]

All I have read on this site is how stupid it is to expect kubiak to allow an open competition for the QB job here. The rationale was that a team needs to know who it's "guy" is so that the team can rally around him and there's not a divided locker room. That's not ME talking...that's 98% of the board saying that (I prefer the QB to earn his job). Yet...there's nobody responding to gary's idea of having Brett compete for the job with Aaron Rodgers. Why? Here's why: Because the only reason people DON'T want an open competition in Houston is because there's a pretty good chance that someone other than Schaub will win the job. And we can't have that, can we?

And to respond to your second paragraph: Brett should report to camp and be a man. He says he toyed with the idea of "just showing up to camp," which is odd (to me) since the dude has ducked camp for the past few years--Which is it, Brett? First he says "No way I come back as a backup..." then he says "Well, I might just 'show up' at camp..." and now it's "Brett has no immediate intention to file for reinstatement...". I hope he doesn't throw his back out with all the flip flopping he's doing.

He's a turd, and it's getting exposed. Lots of people are upset at all this mess...but they're most upset because they are seeing a whole new side to the man they thought was just a good 'ole boy from the farm who is a man's man. Well...I say he's a diva in coveralls.

I like Brett Favre, but it's not to the point of really caring where this thing ends up. I'm neither a Packer fan, nor am I a Packer hater, but I will admit that I find this to be a pretty entertaining distraction at a time of the year where there is precious little else going on.

If Favre is screwing over the Packers, or vice versa, I kind of hope it continues for most of pre-season, because however it turns out, as long as it's going on, it's something to follow. It's kind of surprising to me that it gets folks who, to the best of my knowledge, have no stake in this highly emotional.

And to the extent we've had this discussion regarding Schaub and Rosenfels (and BTW, I seem to remember a few more Rosenfels supporters than you do), I still don't see where that warrants the shot at the Texans/fans you took for this unrelated story.

 

[Mr teX]

Please! Why would Brett want to come and hold a clipboard? That's not even feasible.

The only play I spoke of was an interception he threw. Very poor throw that sealed the game for the Giants.

I consider Brett a special case...he's earned the right to be given his release if they want to play Aaron. Fine. Do that. I think that's all he's saying.

He doesn't need things spelled out for him like a preschooler. Once they drafted AR, The writings been on the wall for a couple of years now......& lots of it he wrote it by intimating that this might be his last year. Furthermore, he wasn't exactly forthright with whether he wanted to come back or not either.


I knew what play you were speaking of, & that's the point. that's been his MO for about a good 6-7 years in the playoffs...........regardless of what he did in the regular season.

& No player wants to hold the clipboard but what makes that so un-feasible for him? He's not any more special than any other great Qb at this stage in their careers he's just the only one who can't make up his mind for 4 years running whether he wants to retire or not.

Part of the problem is noone, not even himself, can see him doing anything else in the realm of football or competitive sports like lots of the other greats transition on to. I mean seriously, could you see Favre sitting on set with Dan, Boomer & shannon with that ratty ass hat on looking like he hasn't shaved in a week? You here others talking about finding that "thing" to substitute for football & i don't think Favre has found that yet. I think he wants to retire he just can't b/c he doesn't know what he's gonna do with himself once he finally hangs 'em up.

Somebody needs to offer him a spot on NFL network doing something...so this guy can just see that life without playing football professionally can still be enjoyable.

 

[gary]

All I have read on this site is how stupid it is to expect kubiak to allow an open competition for the QB job here. The rationale was that a team needs to know who it's "guy" is so that the team can rally around him and there's not a divided locker room. That's not ME talking...that's 98% of the board saying that (I prefer the QB to earn his job). Yet...there's nobody responding to gary's idea of having Brett compete for the job with Aaron Rodgers. Why? Here's why: Because the only reason people DON'T want an open competition in Houston is because there's a pretty good chance that someone other than Schaub will win the job. And we can't have that, can we?

And to respond to your second paragraph: Brett should report to camp and be a man. He says he toyed with the idea of "just showing up to camp," which is odd (to me) since the dude has ducked camp for the past few years--Which is it, Brett? First he says "No way I come back as a backup..." then he says "Well, I might just 'show up' at camp..." and now it's "Brett has no immediate intention to file for reinstatement...". I hope he doesn't throw his back out with all the flip flopping he's doing.

He's a turd, and it's getting exposed. Lots of people are upset at all this mess...but they're most upset because they are seeing a whole new side to the man they thought was just a good 'ole boy from the farm who is a man's man. Well...I say he's a diva in coveralls.

All he wants is one more shot at an SB ring. Why not? Don't the GB fans want the samething? Did you see the ralley to bring the guy back? It was something else. They truely do want the guy to come back and be the starter. He does need to stop this BS and be a man about things. But don't they have a better chance at winning with him in one year than in a few years with Rogers? I think so and we see that Green Bay thinks so as well or they'd never even be worryied about Brett ending up with the the darn Vikings. Would they? Am I right about one thing? I thought that the Packers want to move on already. Correct? So then why not release Brett and let him move on? I think that would be only fair. Don't you think so too? He really does need to grow up already though. I do agree on that one thing. This is JMHO. So no fighting here please

 

[TK_Gamer]

IMO - They do not owe him anything. He can request whatever he wants but at the end of the day he has a contract with them. I'm sure that contract does not say he will be the starting QB for GB. He "said" he wants to come back and they said sure here's the $12M we owe you and here is your clip board, welcome back.

The organization has to gauge which scenario would cause the most fall out amongst it's fan base. An icon on their bench or playing for their rivals? After all, the hold all the cards and it seems the options they are allowing him are 1.)Shut up and sit on the bench or 2.)Stay retired.

Actually no, becuase of the size of his contract they can really only bluff to keep him on the bench, not to mention the fan reaction the first game Rogers screws up. The real story is they dont want him as a distraction to the development of thier 2 young QB's (Brohm and Rogers). Unfortunately Favre is bigger than the Packers front office and he knows it. I totally agree that they can't afford to let him go to chicago or minnesota, but he will play this year one way or another and the chances that heads will roll if the packers stink it up without him are better than the chances he will swallow his pride and retire gracefully. IMHO.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

All he wants is one more shot at an SB ring. Why not? Don't the GB fans want the samething? Did you see the ralley to bring the guy back? It was something else. They truely do want the guy to come back and be the starter. He does need to stop this BS and be a man about things. But don't they have a better chance at winning with him in one year than in a few years with Rogers? I think so and we see that Green Bay thinks so as well or they'd never even be worryied about Brett ending up with the the darn Vikings. Would they? Am I right about one thing? I thought that the Packers want to move on already. Correct? So then why not release Brett and let him move on? I think that would be only fair. Don't you think so too? He really does need to grow up already though. I do agree on that one thing. This is JMHO. So no fighting here please

The team in general has a very small chance of winning the Superbowl, let alone even making the game. Brett ran out of gas at the end of last season and he will because he's aging and just can't play like he used to. He himself even said that he cannot be fully dedicated to the team because his body just won't allow him. Now if GB wants to wasted another season with an over-the-hill, selfish QB, then that's on them and that's why they won't win the Big Game.

So when we think about that, Brett gives them a LESSER chance of winning because 1) He'll break down at the end of the season, and 2) he just can't do what he used to do. He said that he's done and GB should leave it at that. If the Packers want to win this season and the next, they're better off letting these young guys play because they are the future - not Favre.

 

[infantrycak]

All I have read on this site is how stupid it is to expect kubiak to allow an open competition for the QB job here. The rationale was that a team needs to know who it's "guy" is so that the team can rally around him and there's not a divided locker room. That's not ME talking...that's 98% of the board saying that (I prefer the QB to earn his job). Yet...there's nobody responding to gary's idea of having Brett compete for the job with Aaron Rodgers. Why? Here's why: Because the only reason people DON'T want an open competition in Houston is because there's a pretty good chance that someone other than Schaub will win the job. And we can't have that, can we?.

Unadulterated horse manure. What we have is a bunch of folks who like QB arguments running around making ASSumptions about what is in the coaches' minds. There has been zero, zilch, nada stated by anyone with the team that Kubiak hasn't evaluated Schaub from day one he got here and concluded he gives the Texans the best chance to win or that he wouldn't play Sage if he thought Sage gave them a better chance to win.

 

[gary]

The team in general has a very small chance of winning the Superbowl, let alone even making the game. Brett ran out of gas at the end of last season and he will because he's aging and just can't play like he used to. He himself even said that he cannot be fully dedicated to the team because his body just won't allow him. Now if GB wants to wasted another season with an over-the-hill, selfish QB, then that's on them and that's why they won't win the Big Game.

So when we think about that, Brett gives them a LESSER chance of winning because 1) He'll break down at the end of the season, and 2) he just can't do what he used to do. He said that he's done and GB should leave it at that. If the Packers want to win this season and the next, they're better off letting these young guys play because they are the future - not Favre.

So why worry about his relese and trading him? Explain. And they do have a decent chance of at least making it back to the NFC game if they do run out the same team again.

 

[Blazing Arrow]

Unadulterated horse manure. What we have is a bunch of folks who like QB arguments running around making ASSumptions about what is in the coaches' minds. There has been zero, zilch, nada stated by anyone with the team that Kubiak hasn't evaluated Schaub from day one he got here and concluded he gives the Texans the best chance to win or that he wouldn't play Sage if he thought Sage gave them a better chance to win.

What was his take on Carr when he first arived?

 

[GuerillaBlack]

So why worry about his relese and trading him? Explain. And they do have a decent chance of at least making it back to the NFC game if they do run out the same team again.

Because, they don't want him to go to another team either and possibly cause trouble for them. Especially if he goes to a divisional rival. They'll let him come back to the Packers, but he'll be helping Aaron Rodgers out.

And no, I think they have a better chance of winning with a young Rodgers than an aging Brett. I mean, Brett still has it, but Aaron Rodgers isn't getting any younger either.

Brett should audition to write for The Passion.

 

[WWJD]

He doesn't need things spelled out for him like a preschooler. Once they drafted AR, The writings been on the wall for a couple of years now......& lots of it he wrote it by intimating that this might be his last year. Furthermore, he wasn't exactly forthright with whether he wanted to come back or not either.


I knew what play you were speaking of, & that's the point. that's been his MO for about a good 6-7 years in the playoffs...........regardless of what he did in the regular season.

& No player wants to hold the clipboard but what makes that so un-feasible for him? He's not any more special than any other great Qb at this stage in their careers he's just the only one who can't make up his mind for 4 years running whether he wants to retire or not.

Part of the problem is noone, not even himself, can see him doing anything else in the realm of football or competitive sports like lots of the other greats transition on to. I mean seriously, could you see Favre sitting on set with Dan, Boomer & shannon with that ratty ass hat on looking like he hasn't shaved in a week? You here others talking about finding that "thing" to substitute for football & i don't think Favre has found that yet. I think he wants to retire he just can't b/c he doesn't know what he's gonna do with himself once he finally hangs 'em up.

Somebody needs to offer him a spot on NFL network doing something...so this guy can just see that life without playing football professionally can still be enjoyable.

Don't know Brett but I'm fairly sure that he's not clipboard holding material...he's just not going to do that. And really it would serve no purpose for him to do that. He might as well stay where he is in Mississippi if that's the only option the Pack has for him. And as far as my understanding goes that's what they've told him. That's why he is telling them to release him.

The Cowboys did it for Emmitt. I don't see much difference. Exceptional player wants to still play. His team doesn't want him anymore so they release him. Seems real easy to me.

 

[infantrycak]

What was his take on Carr when he first arived?

Supposedly that he was salvageable. I am by no means saying Kubiak can't make mistakes, just that there is no reason to believe he hasn't sat through every practice to date and come to the conclusion Schaub gives them the best chance on Sunday.

 

[gary]

Because, they don't want him to go to another team either and possibly cause trouble for them. Especially if he goes to a divisional rival.

How so? I thought he is out of gas already. Are you saying that he still has game left?

 

[Mr teX]

Don't know Brett but I'm fairly sure that he's not clipboard holding material...he's just not going to do that. And really it would serve no purpose for him to do that. He might as well stay where he is in Mississippi if that's the only option the Pack has for him. And as for as my understanding goes that's what they've told him. That's why he is telling them to release him.

The Cowboys did it for Emmitt. I don't see much difference. Exceptional player wants to still play. His team doesn't want him anymore so they release him. Seems real easy to me.

well that's on him, but the packers organization is still under no obligation to grant him his request, he's just gotta take his medicine & live with the decision that he made about retirement........that or hope that the franchise makes some kind of deal to ship him elsewhere.


What's getting lost in this whole talk is whether AR can play or not & IMO from what he showed in the Thursday nighter last year against dallas as well as the team he's gonna have around him, i think he's gonna be fine as long as this favre thing doesn't become too much of a distraction for the team. Not lead them to the superbowl great... But i could easily see him in the playoffs with GB, how far they go is another story....but i would say the same thing about this team if Favre were qb.

 

[gary]

If the Cowboys did it for Emit why won't GB do it for Brett? There really is not a reason.

 

[WWJD]

If the Cowboys did it for Emit why won't GB do it for Brett? There really is not a reason.

The reason is that Brett and the management don't get along....they COULD do it...they SHOULD do it...but they don't have to and I guess to make their point they aren't.

And that's a shame after all he's done as a Packer. A real shame.

 

[gary]

The reason is that Brett and the management don't get along....they COULD do it...they SHOULD do it...but they don't have to and I guess to make their point they aren't.

And that's a shame after all he's done as a Packer. A real shame.

This takes care of some other folks saying that it would cause some trouble because it wouldn't.

 

[PapaL]

Actually no, becuase of the size of his contract they can really only bluff to keep him on the bench, not to mention the fan reaction the first game Rogers screws up. The real story is they dont want him as a distraction to the development of thier 2 young QB's (Brohm and Rogers). Unfortunately Favre is bigger than the Packers front office and he knows it. I totally agree that they can't afford to let him go to chicago or minnesota, but he will play this year one way or another and the chances that heads will roll if the packers stink it up without him are better than the chances he will swallow his pride and retire gracefully. IMHO.

It's the same salary he made last year. They didn't sign any big name people that I am aware of. So yes they could keep him on the roster if they really wanted to. Plus I'm sure they could do it out of spite also, hahaha.

 

[gary]

Both sides are making a very large deal out of this when it really doesn't have to be and it's Green Bay even more than Brett IMHO.

 

[gary]

I'm so sick of all of this BS give Brett what he wants and release him and let the Packers move on and sadden their very own fans with AR if that is what they want to do and then this will all be over. The Packers wouldn't have to deal with Brett ever again. That is all. Isn't that what GB wants not to have to deal with Brett ever again? Anyone agree with me?

 

[GuerillaBlack]

I'm so sick of all of this BS give Brett what he wants and release him and let the Packers move on and sadden their very own fans with AR if that is what they want to do and then this will all be over. The Packers wouldn't have to deal with Brett ever again. That is all. Isn't that what GB wants not to have to deal with Brett ever again? Anyone agree with me?

Kind of. I think many wanted Brett Favre to retire a Packer and not a Viking, etc. Also, Brett SAID he was retiring. This is the first time that I had actually believed him. For the past four years, I knew he was coming back, but with the breakdown at the podium this year, I thought he would retire. I thought there would be a ceremony and everything at the first Packer home game. Then, Brett would be in the media booth, or on TV, etc.

But then he comes back on his word, yet AGAIN. This crap is getting hella old.

 

[PapaL]

If you can't believe a 38 year old crying man, who can you believe?

I wouldn't give him what he wants just because he's pissed me off with this same crap every year. He wants to act like a small child; treat him like one. Make an example and move on.

 

[gary]

Kind of. I think many wanted Brett Favre to retire a Packer and not a Viking, etc. Also, Brett SAID he was retiring. This is the first time that I had actually believed him. For the past four years, I knew he was coming back, but with the breakdown at the podium this year, I thought he would retire. I thought there would be a ceremony and everything at the first Packer home game. Then, Brett would be in the media booth, or on TV, etc.

But then he comes back on his word, yet AGAIN. This crap is getting hella old.

That is what I'm saying nothing against you people but dis is really getting hella old so both sides just end it now.