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Eric Winston released?????

if anything its showing that the texans arent relying on this loyalty factor some of you seem so adamant about.. loyalty had rick smith and kubiak on the hot seat, these guys arent playing.. its a business, screw this loyolty bs, you either perform or look for a new job, i like it..
 
GP said:
I know, I just saw the video because I went looking for it, too! Dammit! I was wrong. Oh well, it happens once every year or two. ;)
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It's OK GP. There were so many whiffs by Winston, you could have easily been confused LOL
 
Premier said:
if anything its showing that the texans arent relying on this loyalty factor some of you seem so adamant about.. loyalty had rick smith and kubiak on the hot seat, these guys arent playing.. its a business, screw this loyolty bs, you either perform or look for a new job, i like it..
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Me too.
 
Premier said:
if anything its showing that the texans arent relying on this loyalty factor some of you seem so adamant about.. loyalty had rick smith and kubiak on the hot seat, these guys arent playing.. its a business, screw this loyolty bs, you either perform or look for a new job, i like it..
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Then Jacoby must go.

Leinart just got cut
 
Premier said:
if anything its showing that the texans arent relying on this loyalty factor some of you seem so adamant about.. loyalty had rick smith and kubiak on the hot seat, these guys arent playing.. its a business, screw this loyolty bs, you either perform or look for a new job, i like it..
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They're loyal as long as they're under the cap and you're not overpaid.
 
Premier said:
if anything its showing that the texans arent relying on this loyalty factor some of you seem so adamant about.. loyalty had rick smith and kubiak on the hot seat, these guys arent playing.. its a business, screw this loyolty bs, you either perform or look for a new job, i like it..
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Ya know I'm from Ohio originally. I remember seeing the last championship game at my Uncles house with my dad. I was 8 years old. I' m all for loyalty but I want a championship. Still a Browns fan also, but we know where they are headed right now. The Texans need to do what it takes to bring it home to the fans. Right now! Sorry Eric.
 
bckey said:
Then Jacoby must go.

Leinart just got cut
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It's gonna happen but a little later I think. Maybe even camp. I say this because of Gary's comments after the end of the season. Then again I could be FOS.

We'll surely find out before we tee it up opening weekend.

He NEEDS TO BE GONE!
 
Wolf said:
friend of mine says the Bears have cash and are pursuing hard for Mario
all I could tell him is that the Texans don't have the cash with all the pending FA coming in the next year
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I'd tell him... good for him, but that's why his team will continue to get their butts kicked by the Packers and now the up and coming Lions... This isn't 1985 and you have to have more than just a really good defense. (Peppers with Mario sounds terrifying, but it's redundant) If the Bears do that, they're retarded... they need to be investing in the line on the other side of the ball, because Cutler has brain matter falling out of his helmet every weekend.

There's only so many cap dollars... as we're all finding out. If the Bears do that, they're blowing their wad in one area and putting all of their eggs in one basket.
 
Dang...didn't think he was choppin block material but clearly they've got a bigger plan in the works. Maybe he was a tad overrated but I thought he was a decent player...

Maybe he pissed someone off?
 
drs23 said:
It's gonna happen but a little later I think. Maybe even camp. I say this because of Gary's comments after the end of the season. Then again I could be FOS.

We'll surely find out before we tee it up opening weekend.

He NEEDS TO BE GONE!
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That wouldn't make sense to hang on to him for that long when having his cap space is most important during free agency
 
Saw the article where Winston says the Texans stated that they were up against it (salary cap). Could be wrong but that does not sound like we are going to be signing Mario to a $100 million plus contract. If they cut Jacoby they need to do it before 3 tomorrow. It would be a dream come true if we could get a guy like Meachem or Manningham in free agency because I don't see a day 1 starter available at 26 in the draft (a guy can dream).
 
Texan_Bill said:
:panic:

While I like Winston and think he is a decent tackle, we would be well served to take that money and put it towards Meyers and Briesel. Give up one piece to save two others? I'm down, yo!!

That said, if the Texans lose either Meyers or Briesel, the FO will have some 'splainin' to do!!!
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The thing that is so surprising, is that they cut him. If it were just about creating cap space, they could have just restructured his deal.... I can't think of a reason why he would have been against it (unless he's believing his own hype).
 
thunderkyss said:
The thing that is so surprising, is that they cut him. If it were just about creating cap space, they could have just restructured his deal.... I can't think of a reason why he would have been against it (unless he's believing his own hype).
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He only had 2 years left on his deal. 5.5 million each season, no bonus money. I don't think they could push it all to next year, when they're going to be even closer to the cap.
 
thunderkyss said:
The thing that is so surprising, is that they cut him. If it were just about creating cap space, they could have just restructured his deal.... I can't think of a reason why he would have been against it (unless he's believing his own hype).
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Or at worst trade him?
 
thunderkyss said:
The thing that is so surprising, is that they cut him. If it were just about creating cap space, they could have just restructured his deal.... I can't think of a reason why he would have been against it (unless he's believing his own hype).
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Winston? Believe his own hype? SHOCKING! I always felt he spent way too much time at Wing Stop (610), You Tube & Sirius ...
 
SW H-TOWN said:
Saw the article where Winston says the Texans stated that they were up against it (salary cap). Could be wrong but that does not sound like we are going to be signing Mario to a $100 million plus contract. If they cut Jacoby they need to do it before 3 tomorrow. It would be a dream come true if we could get a guy like Meachem or Manningham in free agency because I don't see a day 1 starter available at 26 in the draft (a guy can dream).
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See, I would also like to grab a better WR2 like you're saying. Glad I'm not alone.

We need a better route runner, a guy who has seen big games in his career. We tried to get that in Eric Moulds wayyyyy back when, but he was already too old and beat up to really do anything here.

Meachem or Manningham would be a good FA fix for WR2. Give Yates somebody to throw to that can be trusted on a consistent basis to be where he should be, and to do something with the ball once he gets it.
 
GP said:
Doh! You are RIGHT!

Duane Brown got beaten badly on that play. It was a screen pass to the right side of the line and our LT and LG blew their assignments on the left side...with Duane at LT blowing it the worst.

My bad. I have been bested. I relinquish my pistol to you, good sir.
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Don't feel totally defeated there GP... because when Yates suffered his shoulder injury (thank god it was to his non throwing arm or he would've been shelfed) Winston totally WHIFFED. You were wrong about that play, but not about the assertion that Winston was a little harmful to our QBs health last season. It wasn't that he just couldn't hold his block... when he got beat, the majority of the time his man was coming through free and untouched.

Winston was a good player though and depending on (hopefully) pending moves that help justify it, I'm going to question why he was just outright cut, but I'm also not going to sit here and pretend like he was some all world RT either. The man was a badass guard stuck out at RT. A Mauler and brawler in the running game.... sucked in pass protection, flat out embarrassed most of the times when he was beat.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I'd tell him... good for him, but that's why his team will continue to get their butts kicked by the Packers and now the up and coming Lions... This isn't 1985 and you have to have more than just a really good defense. (Peppers with Mario sounds terrifying, but it's redundant) If the Bears do that, they're retarded... they need to be investing in the line on the other side of the ball, because Cutler has brain matter falling out of his helmet every weekend.

There's only so many cap dollars... as we're all finding out. If the Bears do that, they're blowing their wad in one area and putting all of their eggs in one basket.
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After what the Giants did to Aaron Rodgers.... I can see them going after Mario.

I understand the cap restrictions, but for the most part, it's funny money. There is always a way if a that's what the team wants.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
Saw the article where Winston says the Texans stated that they were up against it (salary cap). Could be wrong but that does not sound like we are going to be signing Mario to a $100 million plus contract. If they cut Jacoby they need to do it before 3 tomorrow. It would be a dream come true if we could get a guy like Meachem or Manningham in free agency because I don't see a day 1 starter available at 26 in the draft (a guy can dream).
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Well the Texans can say that but they could mean "With what we are planning to pay some of these guys, we'll be up against it." and thus release him.

Either way none of us have much of an idea what's going on. Could be they are clearing this space to sign Reggie Wayne + our linemen. Not Mario or Manning. Guess we'll find out soon though.
 
As long as they are not doing this just to resign Mario I am Ok with it. They are clearing cap space hopefully to sign someone/s when FA starts tomorrow.

They need help at a few positions and if they are clearing cap space to address these I am in favor. They know what is out there better than we do.
 
GP said:
See, I would also like to grab a better WR2 like you're saying. Glad I'm not alone.

We need a better route runner, a guy who has seen big games in his career. We tried to get that in Eric Moulds wayyyyy back when, but he was already too old and beat up to really do anything here.

Meachem or Manningham would be a good FA fix for WR2. Give Yates somebody to throw to that can be trusted on a consistent basis to be where he should be, and to do something with the ball once he gets it.
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I've also seen a couple of articles that say this is a deep WR UFA class, a "Buyers Market" so I got my fingers crossed. One was on nfl.com I believe.
 
fiasco west said:
Well the Texans can say that but they could mean "With what we are planning to pay some of these guys, we'll be up against it." and thus release him.

Either way none of us have much of an idea what's going on. Could be they are clearing this space to sign Reggie Wayne + our linemen. Not Mario or Manning. Guess we'll find out soon though.
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Exactly right, only the FO guys know but I sure hope that with this restructuring and cutting that we can resign Myers and Brisiel before 3 tomorrow and get a Meachem or Manningham in free agency. Like I said, a guy can dream :)
 
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LMAO at sports radio 610.

For freaking hours they've been trashing everybody who called in and criticized Winston or said he spent too much time in the media and they've been telling people that their "resident retired lineman" Greg Cook was going to be on later and just wait to see what he has to say....

Well the man pretty much just called out Winston, questioned his priorities, and said he's not shocked and completely understands why Winston was let go. Barry Warner... :rake: just stepped into it. Now this moron is saying he completely agrees with everything Greg Cook had to say when Warner just spent hours (along with Jerome Solomon) crying how disastrous this move is and how horrible it is for the team.

Greg Cook flat out said... at a time where Winston should've been coming into his own and entering his prime, he had his worst season ever and this is something I've talked to him about before. I don't think he was focused on honing his craft. Duane Brown has become the player who plays with the mentality and the way that they always envisioned Winston could play like.
 
thunderkyss said:
After what the Giants did to Aaron Rodgers.... I can see them going after Mario.

I understand the cap restrictions, but for the most part, it's funny money. There is always a way if a that's what the team wants.
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The Giants have offensive lineman and receivers. The Bears...
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I'm absolutely shocked by this. I'm in the Winston is overrated camp, but never even considered the Texans would just cut him. I wonder if OD and Ryan are next. I'll be more than happy to save the cap space with OD(I like Dreesen quite a bit more than him) but I'm not sure of dead money if they do. I also agree that Butler will be our starting RT in 2012, unless Tony Boselli found a time machine and is back to his mid-90's form.
Like a lot of players, I see this as freeing up $$ for MW and maybe working on some contract extensions on next years FA crop. I still don't see the Texans making a serious run at PM. WHo would take Schaub? Washington just spent a buttload of picks for the 2nd overall. Do they have any good players we would trade Schaub for?
Evidently Smith read Solomon's article and decided to be very aggressive.
 
I'm sorry guys but when you give up 17 of 65 total sacks in the past 2 years AND you're getting paid $11m over the next 2 years. Adios.

Hopefully this means we keep Mario, but if not...I understand.
 
Carr Bombed said:
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Greg Cook was going to be on later and just wait to see what he has to say....

Well the man pretty much just called out Winston, questioned his priorities, and said he's not shocked and completely understands why Winston was let go. Barry Warner... :rake: just stepped into it. Now this moron is saying he completely agrees with everything Greg Cook had to say when Warner just spent hours (along with Jerome Solomon) crying how disastrous this move is and how horrible it is for the team.

Greg Cook flat out said... at a time where Winston should've been coming into his own and entering his prime, he had his worst season ever and this is something I've talked to him about before. I don't think he was focused on honing his craft. Duane Brown has become the player who plays with the mentality and the way that they always envisioned Winston could play like.
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HELLO! No chit right? I've been saying that for two freaking years!
 
This is so weird having him cut. I mean I guess it's ok, it's not like we're trying to win a Super Bowl next year or anything....


They better have a damn good plan going forward here.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Don't feel totally defeated there GP... because when Yates suffered his shoulder injury (thank god it was to his non throwing arm or he would've been shelfed) Winston totally WHIFFED. You were wrong about that play, but not about the assertion that Winston was a little harmful to our QBs health last season. It wasn't that he just couldn't hold his block... when he got beat, the majority of the time his man was coming through free and untouched.

Winston was a good player though and depending on (hopefully) pending moves that help justify it, I'm going to question why he was just outright cut, but I'm also not going to sit here and pretend like he was some all world RT either. The man was a badass guard stuck out at RT. A Mauler and brawler in the running game.... sucked in pass protection, flat out embarrassed most of the times when he was beat.
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I think were I got mixed up was the CBS replay, during the actual game, was more of a sideline shot on Winston's side and at the end of the play Winston sort of lets up...I guess I connected dots that were not there and thought it was a d-lineman who made it past Winston's left side while Winston took on the wrong guy who was on his right side. Anyways, I will freely admit I whiffed on that recollection!
 
cbs1507 said:
I'm sorry guys but when you give up 17 of 65 total sacks in the past 2 years AND you're getting paid $11m over the next 2 years. Adios.

Hopefully this means we keep Mario, but if not...I understand.
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Assuming there are 5 positions with players getting equal number of snaps, 65 divided by 5 = 13. Got any numbers on what other guys gave up? Doesn't sound that out of the ordinary. Would love to see sacks given up by other RTs in the league as well. Without that comparative info, the stat is pretty useless.
 
Carr Bombed said:
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LMAO at sports radio 610.

For freaking hours they've been trashing everybody who called in and criticized Winston or said he spent too much time in the media and they've been telling people that their "resident retired lineman" Greg Cook was going to be on later and just wait to see what he has to say....

Well the man pretty much just called out Winston, questioned his priorities, and said he's not shocked and completely understands why Winston was let go. Barry Warner... :rake: just stepped into it. Now this moron is saying he completely agrees with everything Greg Cook had to say when Warner just spent hours (along with Jerome Solomon) crying how disastrous this move is and how horrible it is for the team.

Greg Cook flat out said... at a time where Winston should've been coming into his own and entering his prime, he had his worst season ever and this is something I've talked to him about before. I don't think he was focused on honing his craft. Duane Brown has become the player who plays with the mentality and the way that they always envisioned Winston could play like.
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Yeah, the radio guys fell in love with a Texans mauler that gave them the time of day...it clouds their judgment. The bromance is over. :crying:
 
Carr Bombed said:
Well the man pretty much just called out Winston, questioned his priorities...
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I don't know about questioning the guy's priorities. Winston wasn't good enough to earn a $5.5 million salary. If he were making $2 million a year, he'd still be on the team. Quitting his radio show wouldn't have made him a $5.5 million player.
 
fiasco west said:
Well the Texans can say that but they could mean "With what we are planning to pay some of these guys, we'll be up against it." and thus release him.

Either way none of us have much of an idea what's going on. Could be they are clearing this space to sign Reggie Wayne + our linemen. Not Mario or Manning. Guess we'll find out soon though.
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I see the Cardinals cut Levi Brown today.
 
DocBar said:
Evidently Smith read Solomon's article and decided to be very aggressive.
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You're not serious, right? The Texans could give a sheet about what Solomon did or didn't write. Who reads Soloman, anyway?
 
Kimmy said:
HELLO! No chit right? I've been saying that for two freaking years!
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Kimmy you were a prophet on this and I came along somewhere. While having players on the radio to do interviews during the season is nice, I don't want to hear them have 2 hour radio shows playing analyst.

Cook was right. Duane Brown honed himself into that junkyard dog you want to see in an offensive linemen. Winston? Well he worked real hard on setting himself up for a broadcasting career. Hopefully, he can learn from his experience here and concentrate more on football at his next stop.
 
Dutchrudder said:
This is so weird having him cut. I mean I guess it's ok, it's not like we're trying to win a Super Bowl next year or anything....


They better have a damn good plan going forward here.
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Butler's tricep better be damn healthy. FO surely had that tricep checked out real good and think he can come in and fill most of Winston's shoes. Can't see our GM making such a Gangsta move otherwise.

Now if Jacoby would tweet something unintelligible I could go to bed happy.
 
Lucky said:
I don't know about questioning the guy's priorities. Winston wasn't good enough to earn a $5.5 million salary. If he were making $2 million a year, he'd still be on the team. Quitting his radio show wouldn't have made him a $5.5 million player.
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I know offensive linemen are supposed to be round, but I thought he was out of shape this year & he didn't appear to get down the field like he used to.

I still thought he was a bit of a mauler, just not that hammer he used to be.
 
Lucky said:
I agree that Winston was overrated and probably overpaid. But Butler is very overrated around here. He almost got Schaub killed when subbing for Brown at LT. But, it should be an easier go for Butler at RT. All things equal, I'd rather have Winston. But they aren't equal, because Butler is paid less than half of Winston's salary.

Yep, Butler will probably do about as good of a job as Winston did at half the $$$$. Look for the Texans to pick up a cheap vet to be the swing OT. (Salaam type guy.)

The Texans organization doesn't like its players to get all chummy with the media and is making alot of $$$$. If a player does this, he better hold up his end of the bargain. Or like Winston, they will be cut.
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Carr Bombed said:
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LMAO at sports radio 610.

For freaking hours they've been trashing everybody who called in and criticized Winston or said he spent too much time in the media and they've been telling people that their "resident retired lineman" Greg Cook was going to be on later and just wait to see what he has to say....

Well the man pretty much just called out Winston, questioned his priorities, and said he's not shocked and completely understands why Winston was let go. Barry Warner... :rake: just stepped into it. Now this moron is saying he completely agrees with everything Greg Cook had to say when Warner just spent hours (along with Jerome Solomon) crying how disastrous this move is and how horrible it is for the team.

Greg Cook flat out said... at a time where Winston should've been coming into his own and entering his prime, he had his worst season ever and this is something I've talked to him about before. I don't think he was focused on honing his craft. Duane Brown has become the player who plays with the mentality and the way that they always envisioned Winston could play like.
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That was halarious. Warner and Salamon are both such knobs.
 
@ericwinston
Unfortunately I have bad news. The Texans have decided to release me today. Although it is a surprise, I have nothing but positive memories And great relationships that I have built over the years. While my future seems uncertain, I am confident I will land on my feet. Let me say thank you to Mr. McNair and the whole Texan organization. They have had big role in the player and person I have become. And last but not least to my fans and teammates. You guys are the absolute best! I will miss all of you more than you know.
 
The madden curse ain't got nuthin on the wing stop curse. You do commercials for them and your career in Houston will be sleeping with the fishes. Bu bye Winston.
 
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You're not the only one! RT @damienwoody: I'm totally shocked about Eric Winston! @ProFootbalFocus

Texans KNOW they can play without Mario Williams from last year. They don't know what dumping a RT of Winston's quality does yet

Winston was costing Texans $6.5m this season. Want to bet he gets more than that on the open market?

Winston cut, Myers a FA. 2/5 (arguably the best 2/5ths of the best OL in the NFL may not be back. That's an offense killer.

Mr @ericwinston is one of the best RTs in the league. That's a shock the Texans are prepared to let him go. Will have offers. Lots of em

Wow!! Now that one is a shock RT @caplannfl: #Texans starting ORT Eric Winston announces he will be released. Surprising.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Assuming there are 5 positions with players getting equal number of snaps, 65 divided by 5 = 13. Got any numbers on what other guys gave up? Doesn't sound that out of the ordinary. Would love to see sacks given up by other RTs in the league as well. Without that comparative info, the stat is pretty useless.
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Bro 17 sacks given up in 2 years out of 65 total is ridiculous I don't care how you try to compare it (not to mention 1 penalties which is more than Myers and Brisiel combined). Especially if he making $5.5 m in each of the next 2 years (made $4m last year).

But here is the site...
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/findplayer.asp?type=position&position=95
 
Playoffs said:
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Winston was costing Texans $6.5m this season. Want to bet he gets more than that on the open market?
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I would be surprised if he gets more than $6.5M.

I'd be upset if he goes to Washington & it "appears" Kubiak served Winston up to his daddy with no compensation.
 
He hasn't missed any games. When you have a team that has dealt with injury as often as the Texans, why would you just outright cut one of your healthiest, most consistent players? I just don't get it...

He aparently loved it here. Why wouldn't they even have tried to renegotiate?
 
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