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Eric Winston released?????

Yea, why would they cut Winston before Jones, or even Walter for that matter. ****, we could have moved him inside to guard and let his big ass run block. I'm confused. Very very interesting time of the year. This one definitely came out of left field.
 
Well this means we will get it done with Myers. We better.

Hope we can get Mario back, that way we can tackle our depth on offense in the draft and not worry too much about another pass rusher.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
Yea, why would they cut Winston before Jones, or even Walter for that matter. ****, we could have moved him inside to guard and let his big ass run block. I'm confused. Very very interesting time of the year. This one definitely came out of left field.
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Like someone previously mentioned, maybe Jones and others have been cut be its not been announced yet.
 
Big news.

Not sure how I feel about it. Winston was overrated overall but still a damn fine player.

We must get Myers, Brisiel, AND draft OL now.
 
I hate to see him go, but I think he can be replaced. I never really noticed how he could get beat by a really fast pass rush defense until this season. Really liked the guys intensity on the sidelines though.
 
Eric Winston was not a good football player and I've been wanting to see a replacement there for years.

I'm surprised as hell about this move, but not sad in the least.
 
Rey said:
Eric Winston was not a good football player and I've been wanting to see a replacement there for years.

I'm surprised as hell about this move, but not sad in the least.
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He certainly had some flaws but he was a very good run blocker.
 
meyers was coming back..this move imo was not made for him, they had cap space for him.....this move was made to try to get mario back, no doubt in my mind.

winston was definitely replaceable though.
 
Rey said:
Eric Winston was not a good football player and I've been wanting to see a replacement there for years.

I'm surprised as hell about this move, but not sad in the least.
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I guess you could say he was just good enough.
 
Mr teX said:
meyers was coming back..this move imo was not made for him, they had cap space for him.....this move was made to try to get mario back, no doubt in my mind.
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I am still not sure about the Mario re-sign. To many other OL to sign yet.
 
Butler is good, I was impressed when he came in when I think it was Brown was injured and played well. The thing that gets me is that Butler ruptured his triceps and was put on IR last year, sounds kind of nasty. Also, I believe that Butler will be a UFA after next season but don't quote me on that. They must think highly of Newton too. Well, they better have Myers and Brisiel signed by 3 tomorrow. Never a dull moment.
 
D1DAVE said:
I am still not sure about the Mario re-sign. To many other OL to sign yet.
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by resigning arian & releasing winston & failing to sign any of the OL guys as of right now, i can see what the FO is thinking. Alot of our run game success rests with #23. He damn sure made those guys look better than what they really are. They saying they feel arian is the catalyst & the most valuable piece to the puzzle & behind him is Meyers & Brown...everyone else is fair game to be replaced.

& if you go back & watch games...it bears out. We primarily ran left.....to brown's side. We primarily play-actioned to the left...brown's side. I honestly can't think of any major play we made to winston's side except for arian's TD run in the steelers game where he bent it back right.........and that had little to do with Winston; it was all Foster.
 
Rey said:
Eric Winston was not a good football player and I've been wanting to see a replacement there for years.

I'm surprised as hell about this move, but not sad in the least.
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I mostly agree with this with the exception of accepting that he was very good run blocking most of the time. Pass protection was an issue and it seemed like once a week this season I held my breath while he screwed the pooch trying to pass protect. Maybe it just looked so bad because Brown was having such a good year.

I think it's hard to make a case that Winston's position couldn't be upgraded or at the very least restocked for less money. He just wasn't that good. I think Butler can fill that position easily. LT is a reach for him but RT is where he came from (oddly enough Winston was a LT at Miami when Butler was starting at RT there).

I think they wouldn't have released him if they didn't think that they could survive it.
 
I've been on record a long time with not being a fan of Eric's. I think it was the smart move, trying to keep Meyers.

The RT position does worry me with this move, which is why I was willing to put up with him.

Hmmmm ... tomorrow should be very interesting!
 
I was a proponent of drafting him and re-signing him, but his contract was over valued.

I can't say Butler provides efficiency as a backfill, but do expect a RT to be taken in the early rounds or tinker with Brisiel at RT.
 
Hardcore Texan said:
He's a TE so he's safe. ;)

Winston was a mauler in the run game but his pass pro could be suspect at times, maybe there is an upgrade coming? Gotta lock down Myers and Briesel for sure now.
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Yeah , his pass protection was questionable at times. I recall one time this past year that he whiffed on a block and got Schaub hammered ..... Maybe someone can find that one on Youtube.
 
steelbtexan said:
Hopefully the OL will look like this

Brown/ W.Smith/ Myers/ Briesel/ Butler
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I wonder if a promise was made to Butler last year. I thought surely he would be gone, wisked off by another team & starting somewhere in this league.

Had he not been hurt this year, I wonder how that RT position would have played out.
 
Corrosion said:
Yeah , his pass protection was questionable at times. I recall one time this past year that he whiffed on a block and got Schaub hammered ..... Maybe someone can find that one on Youtube.
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Was that Schaub or Yates?

Because if it was Schaub then he also did it to Yates.

It was agains the Falcons...The DE just ran right past him and leveled TJY.
 
skenney_11 said:
Like someone previously mentioned, maybe Jones and others have been cut be its not been announced yet.
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Good point but I'm pretty sure that Jones would have tweeted something unintelligible by now. That guy makes me cringe when I read his tweets. He needs to take some grammar lessons from Foster.
 
Rey said:
Was that Schaub or Yates?

Because if it was Schaub then he also did it to Yates.

It was agains the Falcons...The DE just ran right past him and leveled TJY.
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I recall it being early in the season .... so it had to be Schaub , the one against the Falcons had slipped my mind .... but that was a brutal one Yates took.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I want Mario Williams re-signed first and foremost.
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I disagree. If Mario goes, you get Jacoby gone and sign the o-line back up, get Winstons replacement I think we are good.. Of course that is if the rookies on defense do not have a bad 2nd season. IMHO:texflag:
 
Gotta say I was shocked at the news. The Texans really need to get Myers signed. I bet Foster is sweatin bullets right now after signing a long term contract with only 2 olinemen on board so far. I'd be bending Rick's ear to get me my big boys up front signed.

And yes Jacoby should be gone. Not for the one play in the playoffs but his full body of work since he has been a Texan. He sucks.
 
Hagar said:
Yep

Whether or not its Butler or someone else, you have to thinkk Smithiak has a plan.

Also, a lot of people want the Texans to be more like Pittsburgh (myself included). Well the Steelers cut veteran players whose salaries are bigger than thier production all the time. So far this year the Steelers have released Hines Ward, Aaron Smith, James Farrier and Chris Kemoeatu.

I'm just happy we've finally gotten to a place were we can cut good players like Winston and have Butler step into his spot.

Good luck Caveman!
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Thanks Hagar for posting this. It's about verbatim of how I was going to respond.

So many folks have blasted the FO for ineptness, being too conservative, being too cheap and many other things but I think this move indicates those views are unsubstantiated.

There's no way #73 gets released willy fk'n nilly. There's a solid plan in place and I'm going to give them credit for knowing what they're doing. Where all this leads and whether or not it will be successful remains to be seen. But I've got to believe the FO has a plan, a goal and the steps to be taken necessary to achieve same.

I'll go on record and say we'll probably see a few more "surprises".

As many have posted "if you're not getting better, you're getting worse".

I think things will really heat up in the next few days/weeks.

I'm gonna hide-n-watch. (With popcorn and a beer).

What else can a mother do?

:texans:
 
D1DAVE said:
I disagree. If Mario goes, you get Jacoby gone and sign the o-line back up, get Winstons replacement I think we are good.. Of course that is if the rookies on defense do not have a bad 2nd season. IMHO:texflag:
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Which seems to always be a big if when it comes to the Texans. I would not risk it to rely on rookies although I'm sure Watt is a stud future multi-time Pro Bowler...I'm not really sure on Reed personally, he just doesn't pass the eye test to me.
 
Dang who knob is josh ines going to bob now? First pollard leaves him now Winston. He's ok I do think he's over rated. I hope butler can get the job done.
 
fiasco west said:
Which seems to always be a big if when it comes to the Texans. I would not risk it to rely on rookies although I'm sure Watt is a stud future multi-time Pro Bowler...I'm not really sure on Reed personally, he just doesn't pass the eye test to me.
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Yeah I'm down with that for sure. Reed seems fine with me, just worried about a letdown on defense.. If that happens than I'm wrong about Mario. Crapshoot at best.
 
:panic:

While I like Winston and think he is a decent tackle, we would be well served to take that money and put it towards Meyers and Briesel. Give up one piece to save two others? I'm down, yo!!

That said, if the Texans lose either Meyers or Briesel, the FO will have some 'splainin' to do!!!
 
Texan_Bill said:
:panic:

While I like Winston and think he is a decent tackle, we would be well served to take that money and put it towards Meyers and Briesel. Give up one piece to save two others? I'm down, yo!!

That said, if the Texans lose either Meyers or Briesel, the FO will have some 'splainin' to do!!!
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The timing should be very telling.

Tomorrow is the deadline, we likely tried to negotiate with these guys all we could, but now we're up against the wall and the only way we can keep them both is to cut Winston. Makes a lot of sense. If they don't sign, I'll be pissed at Myers/Briesel, but only disappointed with the FO, as they obviously tried very hard.
 
Wolf said:
friend of mine says the Bears have cash and are pursuing hard for Mario
all I could tell him is that the Texans don't have the cash with all the pending FA coming in the next year
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Damn if that doesn't sound like tampering.
 
I disagree. I believe the Texans will do all they can to keep Mario. This move is just the start as they work hard tomorrow to get something done with Mario's agent.
 
Maddict5 said:
it was duane who whiffed mr 'vivid memory'? :rolleyes:
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Nope. Leinart dropped back, his blindside is to the right side of our line, which is Winston at RT. Leinart sense he's in trouble and he tried to toss the ball to one of our RBs or TEs, IIRC, over on the right side of the field (very shallow, like a RB dump off pass) but hell he couldn't really let go of the ball because Winston had blown the assignment so badly that the d-lineman wrapped up Leinart and drove him, shoulder-first, into the ground. Incomplete pass, by a mile, and a broken clavicle. Bing, bang, boom.

Winston had been having that stuff happen to him all year long. It was becoming a ritual.
 
Very surprised to hear this but I think it makes sense. I have a lot of confidence in Butler at either tackle position and I would rather lock up Myers and Briesel than keep Winston.

If it frees up any money to sign Mario than even better.
 
GP said:
Nope. Leinart dropped back, his blindside is to the right side of our line, which is Winston at RT. Leinart sense he's in trouble and he tried to toss the ball to one of our RBs or TEs, IIRC, over on the right side of the field (very shallow, like a RB dump off pass) but hell he couldn't really let go of the ball because Winston had blown the assignment so badly that the d-lineman wrapped up Leinart and drove him, shoulder-first, into the ground. Incomplete pass, by a mile, and a broken clavicle. Bing, bang, boom.

Winston had been having that stuff happen to him all year long. It was becoming a ritual.
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d82482d20/Texans-vs-Jaguars-highlights

1:42 mark is where Leinart gets injured. It was Jeremy Mincey who Duane Brown was covering that hit him
 
Maddict5 said:
it was duane who whiffed mr 'vivid memory'? :rolleyes:
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Doh! You are RIGHT!

Duane Brown got beaten badly on that play. It was a screen pass to the right side of the line and our LT and LG blew their assignments on the left side...with Duane at LT blowing it the worst.

My bad. I have been bested. I relinquish my pistol to you, good sir.
 
I thought this was a joke at first. No way we cut a solid RT.

Then the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Winston was not playing up to his contract. I'm sure the Texans knew that he wouldn't be willing to play for Bulter's salary, so it's best to waive him and clear up some cap space. Tough cut though, Winston was a good guy.

I just hope the FO has something more than Butler/Newton in mind. Butler coming off injury plus Newton's lack of experience is not giving me a good deal of confidence.
 
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