bckey
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Ed Reed agrees to terms with Texans
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More like Pace'd.
The Rockets have won 2 championships, been in the playoffs multiple times, managed winning seasons when everyone pegged them to bomb out completely, have a foundation superstar, and a ton of cap room and valuable assets. They are posed very nicely going into the future.
While I love the Texans as much as anyone here, how many winning seasons have we had? How many Super Bowls have we gone to, much less won? What point are you honestly trying to make here? The Texans gave done a lot better since we hired Phillips, but we have not PROVEN a damn thing yet.
tru80texan
Waterboy
I thought Quin got $4.7M? I'm pretty sure he did, which from everything I have read moat feel it was a fair deal & not an overpay. I do agree ovetpaying is not the answer, but neither is putting all your eggs in 1 basket, Ed Reed, as all the other quality players are being signed. I think there are too many holes to fill w/ 1 draft class & a QUALITY vet or 2 will need to be signed or there will some obvious weaknesses that will be exposed ala the right side of the o-lineman in 2012. I'm not happy that it seems Smith got left at the alter again just as Asomugha did him, but I'm hoping he is licking his wounds as he's on the phone. Unfortunately, I believe if Reed doesn't sign, which I don't think he will for the record, I think we could possibly get stuck w/ another Cowturds castoff in Sensabaugh. Ain't nothing like filling a need w/ an ex-cowturd player & realizing it was a mistake. What can you do...
https://mobile.twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/312635936213172224
Ravensinsider reported that it's all positive.
eriadoc
Texan-American
The question wasn't whether they were up against the cap; it's how much they get for that cap money. When you tie up a huge portion in one position, that just leaves less to go around elsewhere. Because of the premium put on QB, the number tied up in that position is naturally higher than what you'd tie up in someone like Ray Lewis. The Ravens haven't had to spend $100M+ on a QB before. Now that they are, it'll be interesting to see what that will impact on the rest of the field.
GP
Go Texans!
Well, this is over.
A player doesn't spend the night, then leave without a deal.
You can get a deal done in less than 24 hours, especially when you spent the previous day and night being hand-jobbed by Texans' execs.
Ed's going to sign with Baltimore, just like Bodden used us to squeeze out more money from the Patriots. I had a cautionary feeling this might happen. Had been joking about it off and on, but frankly you don't leave without a deal in today's NFL unless you're easing out and moving onto the next team.
All in all, if he is really gone...it might be for the best. It was for the best that Bodden didn't sign with us. So...yeah, sometimes the best gifts are unanswered prayers. At least that's what Garth Brooks says.
A player doesn't spend the night, then leave without a deal.
You can get a deal done in less than 24 hours, especially when you spent the previous day and night being hand-jobbed by Texans' execs.
Ed's going to sign with Baltimore, just like Bodden used us to squeeze out more money from the Patriots. I had a cautionary feeling this might happen. Had been joking about it off and on, but frankly you don't leave without a deal in today's NFL unless you're easing out and moving onto the next team.
All in all, if he is really gone...it might be for the best. It was for the best that Bodden didn't sign with us. So...yeah, sometimes the best gifts are unanswered prayers. At least that's what Garth Brooks says.
Say Watt
Hall of Fame
Touche!
If that's true, that talks are still on going.... ok. fine.
If not, they need to fly that jet out to pick up Woodson, wine him & dine him, Have him hang out with Watt, OD, & Graham (yankees). Have the sonofbum drop a few timely tweets.
Get us some leverage.
If not, they need to fly that jet out to pick up Woodson, wine him & dine him, Have him hang out with Watt, OD, & Graham (yankees). Have the sonofbum drop a few timely tweets.
Get us some leverage.
GP
Go Texans!
Agreed.
Move on, like we did from Aso two years ago, and go find the next man who wants the job.
Texans, as a people, are very welcoming...but we also know when to walk away and head a different direction. Am hoping this gets done today OR tomorrow by noon with a 3 pm presser at latest. If not, this deal is off and the only reason his advisors remained was to try some last-second negotiations to close a better deal for Ed. Him leaving means there was a window, IMO, and it is about to close.
This might be for the best. Whatever will be, will be. Etc. It's just a game, folks.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
awilson@baltsun.com
@TwentyER:
Reed also posted this clip from Carwash!(1976): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbTEusaf2nU&
...with an interesting line in it: Money talks, and bullsh!t walks.
Say Watt
Hall of Fame
And the bold is my problem.
How about you let the guy coming off a debilitating foot injury play some games first and prove to you he can still be the same player before you pay him like a top 10 QB...
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
i wont call a marksman a bad shot if he hits 3 out of 4 targets.
GP
Go Texans!
OK, fine.
We should have said here's the amount we'll spend IF he signs by noon on Friday.
If he signs anytime after noon on Friday, the amount reduces to THIS amount.
If he isn't signed by midnight...we're off to the next Safety candidate. This is what we did two years ago, and obviously we landed a better CB AND a S at the same time in J-Jo and Manning......so, as you can see, you can shop our offer all you want. Our offer changes drastically as the clock ticks down. You can take a great chunk NOW or hope another team meets that or exceeds it after noon on Friday.
I mean, seriously, I hope we played hardball and aren't all weak in the knees and acting like Ed Reed and his advisors are driving the bus here. Surely Rick Smith has the same smarts on this as he did on the Aso-J-Jo-Manning scenario two years ago, which is: Stick with a timeframe, then bail and onto the next guy(s) if Plan A stalls after a set time.
Right?
We should have said here's the amount we'll spend IF he signs by noon on Friday.
If he signs anytime after noon on Friday, the amount reduces to THIS amount.
If he isn't signed by midnight...we're off to the next Safety candidate. This is what we did two years ago, and obviously we landed a better CB AND a S at the same time in J-Jo and Manning......so, as you can see, you can shop our offer all you want. Our offer changes drastically as the clock ticks down. You can take a great chunk NOW or hope another team meets that or exceeds it after noon on Friday.
I mean, seriously, I hope we played hardball and aren't all weak in the knees and acting like Ed Reed and his advisors are driving the bus here. Surely Rick Smith has the same smarts on this as he did on the Aso-J-Jo-Manning scenario two years ago, which is: Stick with a timeframe, then bail and onto the next guy(s) if Plan A stalls after a set time.
Right?
any hunter would
I know you don't want to believe it, but he did.
bckey
All Pro
Please tell me you didn't just compare Schaub to a marksman.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
I don't see Schaub's contract as a huge issue. They obviously felt confident that he's going to be their QB for at least 2 more years. There is no alternative to him at the moment (I like TJ, but I don't think he's the replacement). And he can be cut after 2013 season without any or much of a hit to the cap. So, what's the problem?
eriadoc
Texan-American
Well, militarily speaking, you have to hit 38 of 40 to qualify expert and IIRC, 33 of 40 to be a sharpshooter. I don't remember what marksman was, because we didn't let anyone live down the shame of qualifying marksman. They always re-qualified.
ASidd_1990
Waterboy
I will NEVER forgive Rick Smith if this deal doesn't get done (and it looks like it won't). If Reed is using the Texans as leverage, it's because this incompetent staff lets them.
Deals don't take this long. You don't have to pick them up in your private ****ing jet. You don't have to make a three-day-long publicized drama to pump up his ego. Look at how long it took the Broncos to get something done with Wes Welker, the Eagles with James Casey and Connor Barwin, the Lions with Glover Quin the Patriots with Danny Amendola. Lay out the terms to his agent and say I need a decision by XXX or I'm moving on to my next option.
Instead, the Texans chose the option of kiss the ground he walks on for days, all with apparently no guarantees from the Reed camp and while other notable free agents sign elsewhere. The problem with the Houston Texans runs rampant throughout the organization -- they're nice guys. There's zero killer instinct and ability to make the cutthroat decisions needed to win at a high level. We already knew it was true with the coach and owner, and this episode makes it seem equally true with the GM.
Deals don't take this long. You don't have to pick them up in your private ****ing jet. You don't have to make a three-day-long publicized drama to pump up his ego. Look at how long it took the Broncos to get something done with Wes Welker, the Eagles with James Casey and Connor Barwin, the Lions with Glover Quin the Patriots with Danny Amendola. Lay out the terms to his agent and say I need a decision by XXX or I'm moving on to my next option.
Instead, the Texans chose the option of kiss the ground he walks on for days, all with apparently no guarantees from the Reed camp and while other notable free agents sign elsewhere. The problem with the Houston Texans runs rampant throughout the organization -- they're nice guys. There's zero killer instinct and ability to make the cutthroat decisions needed to win at a high level. We already knew it was true with the coach and owner, and this episode makes it seem equally true with the GM.
Say Watt
Hall of Fame
I agree with you. The sad reality is though, the marksman had already nailed 3 out of 3. Why take the 4th shot? Spend a little more time lining up your sights and make sure you are even shooting at the correct target.
GP
Go Texans!
What's your opinion of the reason he posted the Car Wash clip?
Maybe to say he felt like he was treated like royalty while here? The whole "Southern hospitality angle?"
Or was it more of a dig in some form or fashion??? Can't see him making a dig after all the positive things he has been saying here.
Thoughts?
eriadoc
Texan-American
Meh, I'd disagree about Myers, but I recognize I'm in the minority there.
Why would he have given them his word that he would? They said, "You're not worth $6M next year, we're not paying you $6M."
So now all of a sudden they want to pay him $6M
If they had said, "We can't afford to pay you $6M" that's one thing, but why would they be able to afford it now?
handswarmer
Rookie
Delmas stays in Detroit
Say Watt
Hall of Fame
4 TDs in the last 6 game is proving he still has it? And the stats don't begin to tell the whole story on just how atrocious Schaub was in those last 6 games.
You are wrong. I want to believe in Schaub. But I choose to live in reality instead of guzzling down the Texans koolaide.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Please, spare me. You want them to sign Reed at any cost? I don't. He has a number he wants, the Texans have a number they won't go over. That's pretty much that simple. It's just business. If you buy a car and can't agree on a price, you move on.
GP
Go Texans!
Lighten up, Francis.
It's all going to be OK.
You don't know what all has been done on either end of the negotiating table. For all we know, Team Reed might already have verbal inquiries from other teams not named Houston Texans and we just happen to be the best offer right now AND the most attractive landing spot for Ed Reed.
We stuck with the Aso negotiations for a long, long time two years ago and then bailed and grabbed TWO FA's for the price of one. And we ended up being better off for it. So, seriously man: It gonna' be OK if Ed Reed doesn't sign here.
Sometimes things don't work out. It's. OK.
LOL. Finally, someone who overreacts more than me.
Say Watt
Hall of Fame
Jury is still out on Myers. It was a great signing at the time, IMO, but he did not play well last season. How much of his success was due to the combination of Briesel and Winston remains to be seen.
And how much did he suffer because of the whirlwind at RG and an injured old LG?
GP
Go Texans!
Just remember:
I said over and over, "What if the Duane Brown and Chris Myers tweets last night were them knowing an inside joke that a few guys knew about with Ed heading into Houston for the red carpet treatment?".
It needs to be asked. Why did Duane put LOL at the end of his "Enjoy your dinner." And why did Myers put in a "ha ha ha" tweet of his own, as well????
Think, McFly. Think.
Sometimes even pro athletes goof up and spill the beans on stuff like this. It happens. It's plausible.
I said over and over, "What if the Duane Brown and Chris Myers tweets last night were them knowing an inside joke that a few guys knew about with Ed heading into Houston for the red carpet treatment?".
It needs to be asked. Why did Duane put LOL at the end of his "Enjoy your dinner." And why did Myers put in a "ha ha ha" tweet of his own, as well????
Think, McFly. Think.
Sometimes even pro athletes goof up and spill the beans on stuff like this. It happens. It's plausible.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Well, I think Andre Johnson is very credible and he said "he thinks we'll get it done."
I'm just saying he proved he was the same guy he was before the injury. That Schaub we saw was nothing new, some people have been saying that's the guy we had all along. It just took those last four/five games for the masses to see it.
But he's the same guy he's always been.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
I think it's the life of a Texans fan! Heck, I think it's the life of being a Houston sports fan in general lol.
ASidd_1990
Waterboy
Another safety off the market. But no lets wait another 72 hours so another safety can go off the market too.
Horrible front office decisions. Should have had a done deal by now.
Keep waiting, Woodson will most like sign with the 49ers.
Did this organization even have a backup plan? Shilo Keo is our starting safety FFS.
ASidd_1990
Waterboy
I hope your just visiting...
Bro Rick Smith is wasting valueable time right now. The more he waits for Ed Reed to jerk us around, more FA's are going off the market.
Not a good business stragety.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I think he was saying it's down to dollars, now. And he has a number in his mind that must be met.
He made $7.2 million plus another ??million?? last year.
Texans argue "we need $$$ leftover to sign more talent to get to SB" .... Reed's agent counters. Yada, yada, yada. I think we're already in "too much money" territory for best of the team -- we'll see what happens. Mr. McNair may have some input here, I'm thinking.
Alan Ball has played some Free Safety. He'll be available as late as August 31, so there's really no hurry.
ASidd_1990
Waterboy
The worst thing about this is not necessarily that he didn't sign, it's that we're left hanging in limbo and are essentially unable to make any more moves until he either signs or walks away (or we decide to pursue other options).
ASidd_1990
Waterboy
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Well, if Rick's not willing to overpay for Reed, then I'm happy. I'd like to have him, but not for more than about 4 million a year. I think he's looking for 6+, and I just don't think this team can offer that much.
ASidd_1990
Waterboy
Yes they were. This is a completly different situation.
Unless we get Charles Woodson right now similar to how we netted Joseph, it would make sense.
But as of right now, we are at a stand still while Ed Reed holds our cap space hostage.
This should not be the case. The Texans should know how much is available to them right now & how much they can free up if they need to. They should plan to spend somewhere between those two figures, if it makes this a better team.
Regardless what happens with Reed, we need an ILB, an OLB, an OT, a WR or two, a FB...... & just because we bring players in doesn't mean we need to sign them. We should be shopping just as much as the FAs are.
Reed did mention that he'd like to win a SB with either AJ, Wayne, or Gore.
The Colts signed Landry and the Niners signed Delmas.
I remain very positive.
I don't think money is an issue.
Reed's agent is also Schaub's agent.
The two sides should know the numbers beforehand;
They probably just need to work out all the details.