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TexansNeedRBin05 said:
Hey I didnt see that ya Hollings is pretty good give him a chance lets see what he can do I am yall for it!
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ha and ya talk about D.D beign a one hit wonder, we've had hollings 2 years and i dont think he's rushed for a 100 yards combined, to injury prone. AND GIVE OUR LINE SOME LOVE ???? Why dont the line give Carr our Davis a little love by actually blocking for the guys, and then maybe Davis would have better games, ever think about that ?? If henry, Drogns, or Goings were to come here, they would dissapoint you as well, cause no-body can run good behind a line that cant block. BUT D.D does an aight job at it !!!
 
Domanick Davis
1188 Rushing Yds 13 Rushing Td's
588 Receiving Yds 1 Td

Ranked 11th In Rushing Yards. No Back In The Top Ten (rushing) Had More Receiving Yards Than Him. Stats Don't Lie.
 
Domanick Davis
1188 Rushing Yds 13 Rushing Td's
588 Receiving Yds 1 Td

Ranked 11th In Rushing Yards. No Back In The Top Ten (rushing) Had More Receiving Yards Than Him. Stats Don't Lie.
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just had to repost that because i feel it could use some extra reiterating....
 
That has been my point for weeks, DD can catch better than any other back in the league save Westbrook. Our O-line sucks. What is Edge is a ninja or something? No FA RB will help us. DD is sweet, just be happy we arent LA and have a Wheatley to talk about. And for the Carolina fans, yesterday I read that like 18 players got implicated in some steroid mess with some Atlanta doctor. All of a sudden S. Davis, Foster, and Goings don't sound so good.
 
After how many times we gave him the ball he should have 1,500 yds! I never said he was a bad receiver maybe he should play WR? Maybe so but he is a terrible RB if anyone watched the games they played they would know and how can everyone just blame the Offensive Line without even thinking about it. You say "If that Lineman had blocked" Well what if they that Back had been faster? Remember O-Linemen have feelings too and dont start on DD has feelings too he got so many people telling him hes great that he doesnt give a flip!
 
After how many times we gave him the ball he should have 1,500 yds! I never said he was a bad receiver maybe he should play WR? Maybe so but he is a terrible RB if anyone watched the games they played they would know...
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to clear one thing up...we all watched the games...

davis had 302 attempts this year. to get 1500 yds he would have to average 4.9668874172185430463576158940397yds a carry. so a "terrible" running back average's 3.6 yds a carry and is 11th in the league in rushing (with the highest recieving yards of the top 11) and 13 touchdowns? yes the bench mark is 4.0 yds/att but davis only played in 15 games this year. if this was a down year, i can imagine how "terrible" he will be when the line has another year under their belts and/or they are upgraded...

now it's your turn to give some semblence of proof to back up your assertion...good luck :thumbup

i.e. give stats to show how terrible davis is...
 
TexansTrueFan said:
Dom Davis is the BEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish the trolls would leave !
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So is Matt Stevens !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could anybody not like those tattoos?
 
jr0ck said:
to clear one thing up...we all watched the games...

davis had 302 attempts this year. to get 1500 yds he would have to average 4.9668874172185430463576158940397yds a carry. so a "terrible" running back average's 3.6 yds a carry and is 11th in the league in rushing (with the highest recieving yards of the top 11) and 13 touchdowns? yes the bench mark is 4.0 yds/att but davis only played in 15 games this year. if this was a down year, i can imagine how "terrible" he will be when the line has another year under their belts and/or they are upgraded...

now it's your turn to give some semblence of proof to back up your assertion...good luck :thumbup

i.e. give stats to show how terrible davis is...
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Ok I compared Davis to 3 other runningbacks in how many times they have broken a 20 or more yd. Run and the # of Carrys I think people will find this intersting!

CAREER STATS!

Player Carrys Runs over 20

Domanick Davis 540 10

LaMont Jordan 262 9

Troy Hambrick 536 10

Kevin Jones 241 11

So expect for Hambrick hes (who was people thought was terrible in Big D) and hes only 1 behind him so is this an good enough stat for yall? Anyone that blames in on the O-Line is silly LT Barry yall those great backs broke runs with bad lines if he cant beat Lamont Jordan (who was a backup yall his career) and a Rookie RB then he doesnt need to be a starting for us! According to this hes alittle better than Hambrick!

btw anyone that called me troll im not a troll so just lay off!
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
Anyone that blames in on the O-Line is silly
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Care to explain Clinton Portis last year in Washington vs. with the Broncos?

How about this for your little 20+ yard comparison--other RB's with 5 runs over 20+ yds last year:

Clinton Portis
Deuce McAllister
Jamal Lewis
Chris Brown
Warrick Dunn

Guys with just one more:

Edgerrin James
LaDainian Tomlinson
Ahman Green

Yup you sure proved DD sucks hanging out with those guys.
 
Thats DD CAREER! not season for runs over 20 yds. your back has to be able to break some off! He had 5 this year.

BTW its important for a back to be able to break big yds. and im sorry if your too much in love with DD to see hes terrible! Id love for him to be good but hes not plain and simple!
 
Dude thats sorry im not a troll! I am just trying to get everyone to see we need a new RB if we want to get anywhere! If he turns out great then i will publicy come on here and apolgizes but until he shows me something im on his case!
 
i will publicy come on here and apolgizes but until he shows me something im on his case!
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well you can go ahead and start your rough draft...i suspect you will be able to formally apologize later this year (by mid november) but if you need a whole season i'll still be here in '06...

so is 20yd+ runs the only thing DD hasn't shown you? that sounds like a pretty short list...
 
I agree that up to this point Domanick has not been the NFl Elite as far as rushing. However, this will be his make or break year. Last year he looked lots in the zone blocking scheme. He would practically stop and try to pick his way through a hole it was sad to watch, and I thought for sure he could not adjust but he did in the final games he ran the ball like you should run the ball in a zone blocking scheme just run through a hole and go from there. Now this year he will have 0 excuses that in my opinion will say give him another chance to be the guy. If he gets Injured then after 3 years in the league he will have been injured 3 years. If he shows me know real game breaking runs he doesnt have to go 20+ yards to impress me, just ramble for a first down or get us to a manageable 2nd or 3rd and short. Break into the 2nd level of the defense on a regular basis and I will be happy to see you sign a fat contract. But dont gain a thousand yards by performing well in the first few games and the last 6 games and expect to be a featured back. He needs to be productive in October and early November in addition to September and December

P.S. Fred Lane didn't get the chance to have a great career the summer after his 3rd season his ex wife shot him in the face.

Also Emmitt Smith never really had breakaway speed in fact living in dallas since 91 Emmitts success was the fact he got into the 2nd level of defenses and consistently churned out 1st downs or got the Cowboys into manageble down situations.
 
outofhnd said:
I agree that up to this point Domanick has not been the NFl Elite as far as rushing. However, this will be his make or break year. Last year he looked lots in the zone blocking scheme. He would practically stop and try to pick his way through a hole it was sad to watch, and I thought for sure he could not adjust but he did in the final games he ran the ball like you should run the ball in a zone blocking scheme just run through a hole and go from there. Now this year he will have 0 excuses that in my opinion will say give him another chance to be the guy. If he gets Injured then after 3 years in the league he will have been injured 3 years. If he shows me know real game breaking runs he doesnt have to go 20+ yards to impress me, just ramble for a first down or get us to a manageable 2nd or 3rd and short. Break into the 2nd level of the defense on a regular basis and I will be happy to see you sign a fat contract. But dont gain a thousand yards by performing well in the first few games and the last 6 games and expect to be a featured back. He needs to be productive in October and early November in addition to September and December

P.S. Fred Lane didn't get the chance to have a great career the summer after his 3rd season his ex wife shot him in the face.

Also Emmitt Smith never really had breakaway speed in fact living in dallas since 91 Emmitts success was the fact he got into the 2nd level of defenses and consistently churned out 1st downs or got the Cowboys into manageble down situations.
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That is true! but I think Emmitt was alot quicker than Davis and maybe somewhat faster, I think Emmitt a tad overrated because of that awesome O-line he had but he was a good back but I dont see Davis having the kind of career. I agree this year makes or breaks him and my money on he breaks.
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
That is true! but I think Emmitt was alot quicker than Davis and maybe somewhat faster,
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[Disclaimer--no this is not to show DD is as good as Emmitt--but some have observed the similarities between Carr's stats and Aikman's and just noticed this similarity in stats]

Funny y'all bringing up Emmitt and DD though--look how the stats compare for their 1st two years in the league:

Emmitt--606 attempts, 2500 yds (yearly ypc of 3.9 & 4.3), 23 TD's and 11 runs of 20+
DD--540 attempts, 2219 yds (yearly ypc of 4.3 & 3.9--if DD had made 606 attempts with his average ypc the total yds go to 2489) 21 TD's and 10 runs of 20+

I think Emmitt a tad overrated because of that awesome O-line he had
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OK so it is "silly" to consider the OL when judging DD but not when you judge Emmitt?--yeah that is consistant.
 
but I think Emmitt was alot quicker than Davis and maybe somewhat faster
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emmit most likely had much better 'vision' so his movements where more effecient when it came to getting downfield, but i doubt he was worlds quicker or faster than davis.

I think Emmitt a tad overrated because of that awesome O-line he had but he was a good back
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just because emmit isn't your favorite back doesn't mean in any way shape or form he is overrated. *cough*league all-time leading rusher*cough* i'm not even the biggest emmit fan but i would say he definately deserves more respect than 'overrated'. also, you use the same hipocrocy 'cak brought up. fair to consider the o-line with emmit, not fair to consider o-line with davis?

I agree this year makes or breaks him and my money on he breaks.
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sounds like we're getting through! :rolleyes: well at least you don't want to burn davis at the stake like you did when you came into this thread :thumbup
is it fair to consider the o-line's play this season when looking to see if davis' is successful enough for all of us baby GM's?
 
great back to this thread, haha. but yeah, whats with the 20 yard comparisons, Curtis Martin made his career out of perfecting the 5-6-7 yard run. im not comparing DD to Martin, but not all great running backs need to be able to bust off a tremendous amount of 20 yard runs
 
Davis himself isn't the issue in our offense. The problem is the way he's used, which the coaches seem to think he is an every down back with break away speed to score a TD on any given play. If we had another RB it would keep both of them in better condition throughout the game, and really help out our offense when we want to pound away clock.

I think the biggest issue I have with Davis as a player, is that if we're going to have an undersized RB that doesn't run well when injured, it would be nice if he atleast had great speed (Like Westbrook, as people have mentioned many times) but Davis runs hard on every play and I think as the offensive line and the O as a whole improves, Davis will run better and with less injuries as the D can't focus on stopping the run as much.
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
if we're going to have an undersized RB
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Not singling you out, but I guess I have taken on the personal quest of stomping out the silliness about RB size.

DD is 5' 9" 221 lbs--that is not undersized.

RB's with more yards than DD last year:
More than 5 lbs less than DD: Martin, James, Barber, Portis, Droughns
+ or - 5 lbs: Alexander, Dillon, Johnson, Tomlinson
More than 5 lbs more: Taylor

That would be ONE guy with more yards than DD with any significant size advantage and ironically it is a guy that has for his entire career has had to turn the ball over to someone else to get it in the end-zone.

[Disclaimer--this post has nothing to do with DD's merits as a RB vs. the other RB's listed]
 
It is not his size that bothers me it was the way he ran at times. He reminded me of Lorenzo White during the oiler days. He would run get to the line and stop and try and pick a whole that was gonna bust him in to the open field. all it did was waste time and the line crumbled around him. Why was Wells successful when he ran in that same O line? because he ran through the hole at full speed he didnt stop or stutter because that will get you tackled at the line. This was DD's biggest error the picking may have been due to his ankle injury fearing a 300 lb DL grabbing his ankle in full stride. But that was the most glaring fault. You cant pick a hole in the NFL just ask Lorenzo White, & Ron Dayne,
 
Ok im not going to argue about Lorenzo White run style im just talking about the footwork as they came to the line they stopped. You cant do that and be successful in the NFL he didnt pick his hole like that at first and goal but first and ten he was doing that. Look at the KC game that was the game where it just stood out.
 
I'm not arguing. Just making a comment about styles. Lorenzo was a big plodding type back that is more like Jon Wells than a smaller, more compact slashing back like Dom Davis to me. To each his own, but that's fine by me if you see Dom as a Lo White type back.
 
That is not what I am saying at all! :wacko:

I am just noticing a pattern in his running that is not good I thought i would mention some other big name backs that have been NFL busts because of that same problem.
Which was just stopping at the line before they either tried to plod, slash, or sprint through the hole.
How they ran beyond that, totally different but at the line of scrimmage the reason a RB is positioned 5yards behind is so he can be running through the hole not stopping and surveying where he wants to go.That was all I am saying
 
I gotcha. I'm not the biggest Dom supporter in the world so I'll let the other guys argue those points. ;)
 
If he fixes that one problem I think a lot of people will become the biggest dom supporter in the world when he busts through the line he tends to get to the second level on a regular basis. Personally I dont think a running back should be judged at all on runs of 20+ yards that is too dependant on the offense you run, whether the D is chasing you, what quarter is it in if its the 4th quarter of a blowout you chances of a 20+ yard run is much higher no matter if you are on the winning or losing end. Too many variables. give me a back that can put us in 2nd and less than 6 thats all i ask for.
 
Well, poor choice of words by me. Its not that I don't support the guy, I'm just not convinced he can be a dominant feature back long term like some do here.
 
Dude was the pepsi Rookie of the year his first year in the leauge and in his second season rushed for over 1,000 yards again behind a bad O line. And is in the top 3 when it comes to RBs receiving yards. I'd totally blame your bad O line for any RB problems of course its the O line look how many times they get Carr sacked, you think their run blocking is any better?

Hey if you Texans don't appreciate DD trade him to the Saints I'd love to have him back in Louisiana since you guys think he's just average.
 
outofhnd said:
I am just noticing a pattern in his running that is not good I thought i would mention some other big name backs that have been NFL busts because of that same problem.
Which was just stopping at the line before they either tried to plod, slash, or sprint through the hole.
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There is an assumption in the statement above--that there was a hole to run through. Early in the season, call it the 1st half of the season, last year it seemed clear the OL didn't have the zone blocking down at all. It looked like the entire OL took a really extreme angle to the line of scrimmage and ended up in a big scrum pile--i.e. no hole. In theory the back should able to cut back against the play where the last defender has been sealed off (where all the attacks on Denver's system come for injuring guys) but the back side wasn't being sealed either. In the 2nd half of the season it seemed like the OL was taking a less extreme angle and holes existed more frequently and the back end of the play was getting sealed off better giving the RB the option to cut back on the play with the result that the running game started operating much more efficiently.

Truth is probably a combination of OL learning the system, DD not finishing runs as strongly because of worrying about fumbling, DD having less burst because of niggling injuries, etc. contributed to the poor performance in the 1st half of the season--but on the brite side, the running game finished the season much stronger. Now if they can just put a good season together...
 
DChamp said:
look how many times they get Carr sacked, you think their run blocking is any better?
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Actually, each of the individual members of the O-Line is better at run blocking than pass blocking, but I see your point...
 
DChamp said:
you think their run blocking is any better?
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Actually yes kind of. IMO the pass blocking was decent and the run blocking was bad for the 1st half of the season and then for the 2nd half the pass blocking was bad and the run blocking was pretty good. Quite a bit of the improvement in DD's stats in the latter part of the season has to go to the OL stepping up the blocking.
 
I'm just saying DD put up some pretty respectable numbers for just being in the league for 2 seasons. I think he has tremendous upside and is too early in his career to say that he's just an average change of pace back. I just look at DD's numbers from last year and compare them to Deuces who had the same problem with injuries and a bad O line and they are about the same. In fact DDs yardage from last year would place him in 4th place if he where in the NFC and 8th in the AFC as of where it stands now with the same 3.9 rushing average as LT who had 37 more carries than DD. Maybe I'm just not seeing what the DD bashers are seeing cause his numbers look good to me, and he's a young back. Give him some time. He's got too much upside to not want to see what can do next season. He just needs to shut up about rushing for over 2,000 yards that aint gonna happen.

But I totally agree with the Texans drafting another running back. It never hurts to have a soild one two punch. Just don't draft Branndon Jacobs(I read his name mentioned here somewhere), I know he's gifted but he's a head case. He's from Louisiana was supposed to go to LSU but had problems went to JC then to Auburn where was running behind Cadillac and Ronnie Brown thought he was better than them so he transfred to Southern Illinoise for playing time, he's does have skills but that guys a bad attitude waiting to happen. I'd try and draft Arrington, Fasion,Moats,etc in the later rounds.
 
DChamp said:
then to Auburn where was running behind Cadillac and Ronnie Brown thought he was better than them so he transfred to Southern Illinoise for playing time
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Haven't seen anyone say he thought he was better than them, it was just a practical decision that with the two of them there he was not going to get any significant playing time and so when draft time roled around he would be unknown. Seems like a shrewd move to me.
 
F-minus67 said:
I think the texans should try to sign him to an extention, he's only making like $500,000 a year and has rushed for a 1000 yards in each of the past two years and has scored 22 touchdowns.
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I agree sign him to an extension BEFORE season cause if he goes back to 100+ yard games we will be looking at a large payment for his services
 
The age of the little water bug RB will be short lived. Everybody wants to find another Barry Sanders but they will only come along every 100yrs. Durability is a key issue. Im not a stats guy but I doubt there are any backs starting under 5'-11" that didnt miss a few games last season. I always think of Earl Campbell who was 5'-10" and dished out the punishment and missed very few games. Dom is getting hammered out there, he will be lucky to finish out his contract in one piece. There is a reason the Texans want to keep Wells around, other than the other Dom just likes big backs, and its goal line O. Wells performed much better last season and give the Texans much needed bulk a HB. Actually, If the Texans could get something good for DD id be happy with a trade. It used to be a halfbacks average career only lasts 5-6 yrs anyway (not sure now). Id like to get a fast back that can run over some people.
 
I think some people need to remember a few things - Davis was drafted in the 4th round as a near unknown RB to many people, as he wasn't even the starter at LSU. Therefore, even if all we ever get out of him is a solid starter/RB by committee type RB, then he isn't "bust material" and people shouldnt be expecting a pro bowl filled career just because he started spouting off about 2000 yard seasons.
 
Jwwillis said:
Thats right, it was his 1st game back from injury. thanks for jogging my memory.
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Try 1st game of the season.

As for under 5'11"--any criteria for RB's will show a high number missing at least one game a season--RB's get hurt, period. Height has to be one of the worst way to quantify durability. Is a 6' 200 lb player more solid/durable or a 5' 9" 220 lb player? Of the 1000 yd rushers last year only 8 of 18 played in all 16 games. Of those 8, only two were over 5' 11" and both of those were the towering height of 6". Height does not equal durability.
 
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