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... i love it when i read a whole thread, formulate a position/argument, and right before i look for the 'post reply' button i read one of 'caks posts that expresses my own view. saves my hands from carpul tunnel, usually sounds more eloquent, more effective stats and he pulls much more respect on these boards than myself ...great minds DO think alike :thumbup ...

p.s. DOMANICK DAVIS RULES!!!!1!ONE1!1ONE!!1! :heh:
 
haha yeah he does put things into great perspective, and the stats he throws out there should be good enough to convince any D.D doubters. but theres always the hard headed select few who wont budge (steel Blue)
 
Infantrycak is always tough to argue with because he always comes with facts and well thought out postions. I happen to think Dom is a good 3rd down back and really isn't suited to be an every down starter myself. No denying he can put up some good numbers when not nicked up...but that is a part of the formula in the NFL that you cannot discount. It's a tough game. I'd like to see us cut his touches way back so we may be able to get him to play at a high level for 16 games + playoffs instead of 5-6 games a year at full strength.
 
yeah i really dont think he has durability issues. I mean he had 2 good first games (despite the fumbles). than was knicked up for a few games, came back into the mix, and was kinda inconsistent (o-line) and at the end of the season the final 3 games the o-line seemed to play better and he seemed to be more patient while running the ball, which is what ya need when ya have zone blocking !
 
I agree with vinny.. when healthy dom is solid (not great) but when nicked up , it shows really bad
 
Wolf said:
I agree with vinny.. when healthy dom is solid (not great) but when nicked up , it shows really bad
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of course it shows bad, you ever get a sprang ankle and try to run on it ??? Not the easiest thing in the world to do.
 
thing that troubles me is when Davis rushes for 100 yards and we lose.. I don't have the Texans win/loss record when he does that,but I know we lose.. Now it isn't Davis' fault on that, he did is job,but it seems that the defense gives those yards up in order to keep the clamps on AJ and not allow the deep pass.
 
infantrycak said:
Just to fill in a little more--Faulks' yards came on 603 attempts for an average of 3.9 ypc. Davis has 540 attempts and an average of 4.1 ypc. Faulks' longest runs of his 1st two years were 52 and 40. Davis' longest runs were 51 and 44. Something else to note--Faulk never averaged over 4.1 ypc in a season until he left Indy (Davis averaged 4.3 ypc last year). His running in Indy did not impress them so much that they did not let him go. Of course then in St. Louis he has three years of at least 5.3 ypc. Was Marshall Faulk just a 3rd down back in the wrong role, not a franchise back, etc. in Indy? Did his talent suddenly explode in his 6th year in the league? Of course not--he went from a team where his full potential was not displayed to one where it was.

It is much harder to do, but the only fair way to judge a back is how is he doing with what he is given. Just a blind look at the stats is not an accurate reflection of ability (injuries are a whole nuther issue). There should be zero argument that DD has had below average blocking for his 1st two years. To see how that affects even great backs compare Clinton Portis in Denver and in Washington or compare LaDainian Tomlinson 2003 to 2004 where he dropped 1.4 ypc from his average as the OL entirely changed and was better at pass protection than run blocking. The blocking doesn't just affect ypc, it affects big plays as well. Clinton Portis 24 runs over 20 yards in two years with the Broncos vs. 5 last season with the Skins. LaDainian Tomlinson 2002--12 runs over 20 with a long of 76, 2003--12 runs over 20 with a long of 73, 2004--6 runs over 20 with a long of 42. All the pieces on the O have to work together and we will never know or see the potential of DD, Carr or AJ until the OL can do at least an average NFL job of both run blocking and pass blocking.
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Excellent post, right on the money :thumbup
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only reason Davis is our starter is because there is nobody better than him on the team at this time...

If we have any opportunity to upgrade the position, then we should, because, the way I see it, DD is in the bottom 1/3 of the league's starting RBs...
 
D-ReK said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only reason Davis is our starter is because there is nobody better than him on the team at this time...

If we have any opportunity to upgrade the position, then we should, because, the way I see it, DD is in the bottom 1/3 of the league's starting RBs...
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I wouldn't say bottom third maybe 10-15
 
TexansTrueFan said:
ACTUALLY i have football pro magazine that puts Davis at no# 8 among all nfl running backs !
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(Honest question) You sure it isnt talking for fantasy football???
 
funny how the point of views change..

Wells ... stinks
DD ... very good.

yet Wells didn't have an OL the first year and struggled.. 3 years later when DD goes down.. wells averaged about the same as DD.. yet wells still stinks (in some eyes) and DD is very good.

I am not a Wells "homer" yet I find it funny the excuses that come up with if DD doesn't do well .. it is because the OL didn't block .. yet Wells was judged on his talent alone and has that label now..
 
haha no fiddy its not talking fantasy football, even though they do have a Fantasy football section, and he is really high on their scales as well !!! The are talking top RB overall in the nfl and he's no. 8,,,last season they had him at no# 14, he's moved up !
 
TexansTrueFan said:
haha no fiddy its not talking fantasy football, even though they do have a Fantasy football section, and he is really high on their scales as well !!! The are talking top RB overall in the nfl and he's no. 8,,,last season they had him at no# 14, he's moved up !
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Can you please post that list.
 
I'll admit DD is a good fantasy back, because he gets a lot of catches, but honestly, I'd rather have a RB with stone hands and a dynamic TE than a RB with decent hands and no TE...
 
Wolf said:
funny how the point of views change..

Wells ... stinks
DD ... very good.

yet Wells didn't have an OL the first year and struggled.. 3 years later when DD goes down.. wells averaged about the same as DD.. yet wells still stinks (in some eyes) and DD is very good.

I am not a Wells "homer" yet I find it funny the excuses that come up with if DD doesn't do well .. it is because the OL didn't block .. yet Wells was judged on his talent alone and has that label now..
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i'm not putting wells down at all, i dont blame him for the first year, your right we had no line to block for the guy. But i think as much as cut back ability is needed in the zone blocking than D.D is the guy, cause he can make cuts and change direction unlike wells can do. And wells is more of a down hill power runner !
 
D-ReK said:
I'll admit DD is a good fantasy back, because he gets a lot of catches, but honestly, I'd rather have a RB with stone hands and a dynamic TE than a RB with decent hands and no TE...
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I want a RB that is a threat to go the distance anytime they touch the ball
and if they can't run over people, make them miss
 
You are kidding yourself if you think DD is the 8th best back in the NFL.

Jamal Lewis
LaDanian Tomlinson
Priest Holmes
Duece McAllister
Ahman Green
Curtis Martin
Stephen Alexander
Corey Dillon
Edgerin James
Fred Taylor
Clinton Portis
Tiki Barber
Rudi Johnson
Brian Westbrook
Chris Brown
Kevin Jones
Willis McGahee


IMO, all of these backs are better than DD right now.
 
1 LaDainian Tomlinson
2 Priest Holmes
3 Ahman Green
4 Deuce McAllister
5 Clinton Portis
6 Edgerrin James
7 Corey Dillion
8 Domanick Davis
9 Brian Westbrook
10 Fred Taylor



its a magazine i have so its not a link but there is the top 10 RB
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
You are kidding yourself if you think DD is the 8th best back in the NFL.

Jamal Lewis
LaDanian Tomlinson
Priest Holmes
Duece McAllister
Ahman Green
Curtis Martin
Stephen Alexander
Corey Dillon
Edgerin James
Fred Taylor
Clinton Portis
Tiki Barber
Rudi Johnson
Chris Brown
Kevin Jones
Willis McGahee


IMO, all of these backs are better than DD right now.
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its not what i said its what football pro magazine said ! Why dont ya read what i wrote.
 
TexansTrueFan said:
1 LaDainian Tomlinson
2 Priest Holmes
3 Ahman Green
4 Deuce McAllister
5 Clinton Portis
6 Edgerrin James
7 Corey Dillion
8 Domanick Davis
9 Brian Westbrook
10 Fred Taylor



its a magazine i have so its not a link but there is the top 10 RB
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Do you realize Jamal Lewis, who ran for 2,066 yards a season ago, isn't even in the top 10. That alone should tell you something is wrong with that list.
 
yeah well he didnt so so well in 2004, i dunno i didnt make the list up. If ya dont like it why dont ya find their number call them and complain about it to them !!!
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
Do you realize Jamal Lewis, who ran for 2,066 yards a season ago, isn't even in the top 10. That alone should tell you something is wrong with that list.
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Neither is Alexander and Rudi Johnson, who are both franchised players.
 
I am not hating on DD.. I feel DD's talent is maximized by the Texans.. Do I think he is bad? NO.. I think he makes a really good 3rd down back .. and the only reason on that, is that he isn't a threat to take it to the distance.. sure stats can come out on his longest run.. The titans game where DD ran it 44 yards (or so).. I mean that was perfect call at the right time.. Could he pull a Marcus Allen in the Super Bowl against the Redskins I'd hope so but .. no.. I haven't seen where DD can make things happen.. He lacks the burst.. That is all.. I wish he could do this.. DD is a solid back..

Not saying this is a bad thing, but in a Texan's fans eyes I see DD=Billy MIller= JJ moses.. all guys that bust their tail to do their job and are solid, (they are the best at their positions that we have seen) yet on the NFL scale.. average to above average.
 
alexander was # 11 and rudi was ranked # 14, dont ask me lol, i to think its a sorry list but liked it JUST BECAUSE they had D.D ranked so high !
 
The list looks more like someone's ranking of Madden backs based on overall rating. No way Portis should be ranked above Edge or Dillon. :/
 
i just don't see how some people have already seen the 'ceiling' on davis talent and other's (myself included) are 'oblivious' to it. since stats are all the rage, what is the benchmark number of +20yd runs to solidify a back that is 'a threat to take it the distance from anywhere, anytime'? more relative to our beloved texans, how far does DD fall short of 'par' for a franchise RB?

i wouldn't argue DD in the top ten in the league right now, but based on his production thus far, i just think he has WAY too much upside to have the door closed on him so soon. don't worry, i'm also not saying he shouldn't be challenged for the job, as i like the thought of drafting a young power back to take some of the load off davis. i just don't see how everyone 'knows' this is as far as davis' talent can take him and seems to discredit our 4th round pick for everything he's accomplished thus far...*cough*rookie of the year*cough*back to back 1000yd+ seasons while not playing every game either season*cough*avg 8yds a catch last season*cough*...man, can anyone lend me some hall's? :heh: ...

Curtis Martin isn't on that list either and he was the rushing champion.
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don't know the stats (enter infantrycak...) but i remember hearing something along the lines of martin not having one run over 40yds this year and a long of a little over twenty. the rushing champ would rip off 10-12yd runs but never seemed to be a threat to take it the distance all season...yet steel blue (and others who share his POV) would almost assuredly agree martin>>>davis. although i agree whole heartdly (martin=very much underated all his career), i don't agree a franchise back MUST rip off 70yd TD's and every other run is a 20yd+ gain. consistencey barely edges out production (in individual years) followed by a close third in character = my franchise back.

and just to note, every 'normal situation' run play in a play book is designed to 'take it the distance'. every lineman has 2nd and 3rd level responsibilities. a good example this year was DD huge slash in jags round II that woke the texans back up. i noticed seth wand and chester pitts doing an excellent job in getting the their 2nd and 3rd resposibilites and DD gives us a huge chunk of yards. but when the linemen don't even fulfill their 1st responsibilties...DOMANICK DAVIS SUX0RZ teh B1GG 0N3!!!!! lol, i could seriously type two more paragraphs but i guess i should wait for a rebuttle (if any one reads my 'impersonation a wind bag' post :cool: )
 
D-ReK said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only reason Davis is our starter is because there is nobody better than him on the team at this time...
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I agree with your point, but this statement is true of every starter in the NFL...
 
jr0ck said:
don't know the stats (enter infantrycak...) but i remember hearing something along the lines of martin not having one run over 40yds this year and a long of a little over twenty.
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Correct--0 runs over 40 yards and runs of 20+ of 24, 25, 21, 22, 20 and 20.

Two things I think I know:

#1--every team needs two solid RB's because injuries will happen to every RB so whether or not you believe DD is a sure starter the Texans should draft a RB. I still have hope that Hollings will contribute one day as the speed back some people are so desparate for but don't want to gamble on that happening so I would take another RB in this draft.

#2--DD's niggling injuries and the development of the OL are the only reason this discussion is even taking place. If DD can pull a Fred Taylor and play a complete season with performances like the second half of last season there won't be a peep from anyone about him.

Last 8 games of 2004: 828 yards rushing, 4.6 ypc, 5 runs of 20+, 8 TD's rushing, 319 yards receiving, 1 receiving TD and 0 fumbles.

Projected over 16 games: 1656 yards rushing, 4.6 ypc, 10 runs of 20+, 16 rushing TD's, 638 yards receiving, and 2 receiving TD's.

Anybody going to be arguing about DD being a third down back, heck whether he is a top third back if that happened? No, so the issue isn't really his ability when healthy and getting decent blocking it is whether he can stay healthy and the OL coming together.
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
DD is a great 3rd down back and a serviceable starter. That is just the truth.
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I swear you never say anything positive about any subject on this board. Also, do you have a speach impediment like the kid in the wheel chair off Malcolm in the Middle cuz i have never seen...one of your replies...longer than...a sentance...or two? :loser:
 
OK, you guys have had your fun. That's the last insult that's going to be traded in this thread. Look at infantrycak's posts in this thread. That's how you make a case for your position. If you aren't able to articulate a position in that manner, you're not likely to convince someone to change their mind on a subject.
 
AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SAW HOW BAD D.DAVIS IS? HES SLOW HES LITTLE HES KINDA QUICK BUT HE DOESNT GET MANY YDS. ARE O-LINE ISNT GREAT BUT THEY DID OK I THINK WE NEED A NEW RB! WHY HAVENT WE SIGNED SOMONE LIKE THE A-TRAIN ATLEAST SOMEONE WHO CAN CARRY THE BALL ALITTLE! PUT WELLS IN THERE HES BETTER THAN DAVIS DO SOMETHING! :thumbup
 
IM GUNA HAVE TO DISAGRREE WIT U HERE CUZ HAV U EVER SEEN WELLS RUN!?!?!?! ALSO THA ATRAIN IZNT ALL TOO GOOD. AN UPGRADE AT RB WUD BE KOOL, BUT DAVIS IZ SERVICABLE, AND WILL DO FOR NOWZ LOLZ! :cool:
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
I swear you never say anything positive about any subject on this board. Also, do you have a speach impediment like the kid in the wheel chair off Malcolm in the Middle cuz i have never seen...one of your replies...longer than...a sentance...or two? :loser:
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"speach"
"cuz"
"sentance"

Thanks, that's all I needed to see. :loser
 
AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SAW HOW BAD D.DAVIS IS?
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lol, MY EARS HURT!! could you explain your stance and your reasons why? not that i feel you bring anything constructive to either side of the discussion, i just want to get more insight from someone who posts like that...
 
jr0ck said:
lol, MY EARS HURT!! could you explain your stance and your reasons why? not that i feel you bring anything constructive to either side of the discussion, i just want to get more insight from someone who posts like that...
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Hes slow hes little I mean the one good run I saw him make Week 16 aganist I cant remember who they played he got lucker than yall get out a Lineman out of no where and made an awesome block. I mean I know those last 2 games he played well but hes terrible! I mean most backs are either big fast both or speical like P.Holmes. Hes none of those I dont care Wells is better than Davis and whatever happend to old Stacey Mack? He was better than Davis and Wells atelast he ran some people over. Poor Carr cant keep carrying us I mean atleast we got Johnson but we need more! Its like the Eagles without Westbrook or Buckhalter or even Levens! Why cant we make a trade for Travis Henry?
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
I mean most backs are either big fast both or speical like P.Holmes. Hes none of those I dont care Wells is better than Davis and whatever happend to old Stacey Mack? He was better than Davis and Wells atelast he ran some people over.
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???? Stacey Mack? Man, IMO you lose credibility making statements like this.
Also, Wells better? You and I must be watching different teams that both happen to have players named Davis and Wells...
The team I watch has a guy named Dominick Davis who is OBVIOUSLY better that the Wells that backs him up.
Now, having said that, I really think that the position can/should be upgraded, but to me, your opinion is in error.
Not trying to start a fight or anything... just my $0.02...


seems to me that you might just be trolling for reactions...
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
whatever happend to old Stacey Mack? He was better than Davis and Wells atelast he ran some people over.
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:rofl: Yeah Mack was better than Davis, that's why Davis beat him out for the starting job...Is Mack even in the NFL anymore? And for a "power" back, Wells has never been a very powerful runner...He hots the hole soft and gets taken down by simple arm tackles...

I'm not the hugest DD fan, but you're blind if you can't see he's the best on this team right now until Hollings gets a chance lol...
 
D-ReK said:
:rofl: Yeah Mack was better than Davis, that's why Davis beat him out for the starting job...Is Mack even in the NFL anymore? And for a "power" back, Wells has never been a very powerful runner...He hots the hole soft and gets taken down by simple arm tackles...

I'm not the hugest DD fan, but you're blind if you can't see he's the best on this team right now until Hollings gets a chance lol...
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And maybe the reason we lost Week 17 to the Browns is because Mack is not in the leage anymore. Stats dont lie Mack had a good career in Jacksonville when Taylor went down so dont be talking about my boy like that! As for me being a Troll I feel that way I just dont think Davis has been the same this year, he was alright his rookie year but hasnt ran that well since then and I think he was a few game wonder. So let me get this straight with Broncos giving permission for Ruben Droughs to seek a trade and Travis Henry is obvious out in Buffloa and whatever happend to Larry Johnson becoming a free agent? We need to get someone and I feel these are key guys. SHOW YOUR LINE SOME LOVE!

BTW what is Carliona going to do with 3 good RB's? (Foster S. Davis and Goings?) we could get one of them?! :thumbup
 
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