The only long pass he allowed was a well-thrown ball and a great catch by Higgins around the 4:30 mark in this video.
Sauce was right there.
And that was after a great break up on a deep pass on the prior play.
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Derek Stingley vs. Sauce Gardner
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Sauce was right there.
And that was after a great break up on a deep pass on the prior play.
Mr teX
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Accomplishment? Lol, I'm not trying to diminsh anything, only being objective in how i assess.....which is something we know you and a few other have trouble being. Burrow had 275 yards passing b/c the safeties were too busy shading coverage over the top of Chase...So even when he was in man with Chase, he wasn't really... That's why Boyd was able to go off for 105 and a touch and Higgins went off for another 93 yards...and as you so astutely pointed out, the bulk of what Higgins had was on Sauce. Like i said NO PROBLEMS...& he's not even being asked to do as much.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I'm familiar with the play. Its damn near the same deep ball look that he got called for PI against the packers...that he was beat on. The pressure the Jets front 7 is creating on qbs is forcing alot of bad and errant throws from qbs...most of which they've faced aren't good to begin with.
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ATXtexanfan
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Greg Cosell was high on Sauce while talking on the herd when talking jets, short and quick review
He/she taught steelB how to dig a rabbit hole. Don't fall down it... it's even deeper
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I am here to let people know, there is no prize for being right. Secondly, one does not have to be bad, for the other to be good. So far, they both look good. Finally, you cannot compare beyond a doubt two players like this, different teams, different schemes, better Jets front...so, geez, just enjoy that both teams have some good youth movement happening and maybe one day there will be different teams to watch
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
There is no place for logic here.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
the thread title sets all this up.sauce VS stingley
banned1976
sleeper mode
The problem with those that expect Stingley to overtake Sauce as the better pick out of the two given enough time, time is actually not Stingley's friend. Out of the two, Right Now he's the one that is likely to wear down as the season, and their careers, march on.
For me, the 3rd overall pick in the 2022 draft didn't have to be Sauce. It just shouldn't have been Stingley.
For me, the 3rd overall pick in the 2022 draft didn't have to be Sauce. It just shouldn't have been Stingley.
As he should be Sauce is a really good player. He's also still learning on the job, but playing at a high level in the scheme he's asked to play in.
Stingley is also a really good player. Stingley is playing about 60-40% zone/man with a substandard pass rush. Wonder what percentage man/zone Sauce is playing?
Yeah, but that injury potential, man, that has Houston Texans written all over it! lol
Texansballer74
The Marine
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Hottoddie
Veteran
I never did a mock prior to the draft, but ironically, I was planning on doing one where we selected Sauce at #3 & Stingley at #15 on the assumption that he would've slipped that far due to his medical concerns. I didn't expect us to take Stingley at #3, but I haven't been disappointed thus far. Time will tell if the injury will resurface. But, imagine if we had been able to draft both of them & Pitre in the second round. We'd have the potential of having the best secondary in the NFL for the next five years, at least. Of course, we needed line help too. I'm hoping we get to see Christian Harris get some snaps in the next game or two. Maybe he can help the front seven get more pressure on the opposing QB's. Very good & spirited discussions guys. Keep it coming.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
He said he was impressed with adaption to zone along with his man capabilities
Seems like both of them are solid pros
But sauce is in a bigger market and they are winning
Caserio is a year behind the jets GM in talent acquisition.
I would have preferred sauce but stingley is legit as well
I don’t think that was his man. He came off his guy to make that play.
I agree has nothing to do with “roasting” Rodgers.
But it was a good play. Should have been anyway
Should be obvious Houston has no pass rush. Houston can’t get a lead (except that one time). Houston can’t stop the run.
Excuses, I know. But it all matters. Judge Stingley in his situation. Judge Gardner in his. Like it was said earlier, several rookie CBS playing well
This is where I'm at. Injuries made me Sauce> Stingley. I originally had Stingley at 3, but after reading CnD Stingley will have to beat the odds.
Agreed, the Jets had an three 1sts and a high 2nd. They nailed all of their picks. The Texans only had two 1sts and a high 2nd. Caserio nailed his picks too. The Jets also have their QB of the future.
You're showing your bias through and through.
Sauce was in one on one, man coverage on two consecutive plays.
He broke up the first one.
He was right there on the second one, with an arm pulling on the receiver's left arm.
The receiver ran a great route.
He used his big body and his left arm to shield off the spot where the ball was coming to.
And he exploded at the last second, catching the ball with one hand.
That was as great a catch as any.
Burrow had no pressure in max protect (it was just a two-man route) and places the ball in the perfect spot.
The single safety, had he shaded over to this side, would have been in position to really break up the pass.
That's asking a lot of a rookie CB, man coverage with next to no help.
Now, if that was a fade forward, it would have been required for the CB (Sauce) to defend it all by himself.
On a two-man route like this one, the single safety has to read the QB.
He's got to see that Burrow was locking in to the Z from the start.
The safety did arrive, but instead of putting the force on the ball, he missed, and put his helmet on the receiver's helmet instead.
Sauce didn't get any help there.
And you're telling me that he wasn't asked to do much.
Totally laughable.
Higgins wasn't eating.
He made a great catch.
Burrow had no pressure and he delivered a pinpoint pass.
To me, it doesn't matter the scheme.
Sauce is the superior cover corner, whether in man or zone.
I noticed; however, that he has a weakness.
He doesn't get off blocks very well.
He's not as useful defending the run or helping other DBs in gang tackling.
And obviously, if it was Cover 2 like Stingly saw more often, the safety would have been there much sooner.
No chance of a catch there.
Your telling us that Sauce wasn't asked to do much is pure imagination.
I expect much more substance from your take.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
it aint just me saying he’s not being asked to do as much as Stingley buddy. EVERYONE is saying that. Pick any 1 of these videos posted in here.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
theres no bias..you just cant handle criticism of “the sauce”…
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
This is what’s it is really about:
You need to fire Nick Caserio immediately.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
I think Stingley would be better playing more man to man, our LBs are trash in coverage, so when he is playing his deep 1/3 it looks like he struggles with in routes and curls, but to me, the LBs are the issues there. They don't get deep enough to make that throw hard. They leave a huge void.
But Playmates and Van Halen will still be there for the beach birthday party, right?
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
And tasty waves!But Playmates and Van Halen will still be there for the beach birthday party, right?
Now I know you're just down right silly.
I just finished watching the Ravens game, which was his debut.
He was left on an island from the start.
The Jets played predominantly with a single safety.
Only on a few occasions when the Ravens were in empty or with the TE flexing to the slot, showing pass that they have the SS followed suit in a cover 2 look (but it was still man with a single safety.)
Sauce gave up one catch for 11 yards.
He broke up a long pass play to the big TE Andrews.
He was in great position to help out on the other routes, too.
For you to say that he wasn't asked to do much tells me that you're ridiculously biased.
Please don't come back with words; they're meaningless to me.
Show me something with substance.
Dude, have you seen my getting on NC hardly lately?
He doesn't impress me to begin with, but he's not terrible.
Mediocre, about the same as Rick Smith.
Porky
Hall of Fame
does he compare to a young Deon Sanders at all? Deon would stick to guys like glue,but lacked physicality and was a poor tackler.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
that streak is in real jeopardy this week for Sting…will be a good barometer for the young fella.
Or any post he makes.
Shocking post of the day
Adding 4 guys that can play and possibly up to 6 after injury/illness. I would say you're analysis is mediocre, but that would be polite. Luckily it's 5 o'clock and not midnight or I might tell
you what I really think of your analysis, which with the way some mods are around these parts would surely get me banned again.
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TexansBull
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Lately? That post was less than a month ago.
DS has blazing speed and can recover well due to that, but I can't remember how he looked as a rookie.
That's like a century ago.
Do you remember how incessant Steelb can be about Rick Smith?
Or any post he makes. He's gotta be the smartest man in the room.
He doesn't seem to understand that how these guys turn out as pros is a long way from being decided.
Put down those sunshine glasses
What would you consider to be a successful draft?
That's like a century ago.
Do you remember how incessant Steelb can be about Rick Smith?
Let it go dude RS has been long gone and so is Kubiak who you seem to have had some War and Peace moments with. When is the last draft he had where he drafted as good as this last draft? 4 upgrades starters as starters within the 1st month of the season?
Rookie starters are more indicative of a bad team or a team that lacks depth.
Look at the 2020 Jaguars, they also had 4 rookie starters.
How about the Browns.
5 rookie starters in 2016,
5 more in 2017, and 5 more in 2018.
The Texans themselves had 7 rookie starters in 2002.
Then in 2006, they had Mario, Demeco, Spencer, OD, and emergency starter Wally Lundi at the start of the year.
Then after Spencer went down, Winston came in and never looked back.
Besides, Caserio had extra picks that he could either use or package in a trade to move up, therefore, increasing the chance to find a better player.
Tell me how Caserio got those extra picks. You can expect the same type of drafts for the next 2-3 yrs. You got a problem with Caserio adding 15 or so starters out of the next 2 drafts and there should be even more starters coming in FA in a couple of yrs. Yep, you may not like Caserio for whatever reason, but this franchise is in great shape for the future. Just gotta find a QB.
You never did tell me what you would've consider a great draft this last draft.
The 2016 draft was Casserly's last draft. You have no idea of the term roster building. SMH
I'm done feeding the troll. No matter the subject have you ever changed your mind one time throughout all of these yrs? If you have please point me to this post of yours.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
When you find the best guy possible at each draft slot consistently.
Sauce vs Stingley, for example.
Why does it matter how NC get the extra picks?
A GM is supposed to draft the right guy at the particular spot.
But if you want to know, it was because a number of teams thought highly of Watson and were willing to part way with multiple draft picks.
NC had nothing to do with it.
Now, back to the topic, a no. 3 pick is supposed to be a HR, and so far Stingley isn't.
Sauce looks like one.
It's too early to give a finale grade for any draft picks, but you asked so I answer.
So far it looks like NC missed on Sauce.
Does that make for a good draft?
No.
It's just like Allen was there and Nick took Mayfield.
Would that have been a good draft/pick for you?
The same goes for Green and Pitre.
There are several other rookies drafted behind them who are having a much better start.
You like to use the PFF grade to tout that Tunsil is the 5th or 6th best LT, whatever.
Did you bother to check the PFF grades for them three?