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DeMeco Ryans traded to Philadelphia

TheMatrix31 said:
There's nothing "great" about this move. We didn't get 2 seconds or something. There is nothing "great" about getting a 4th round pick. Even if it alleviates some cap pressure. Those deals aren't worthy of using the word "great".

"Great" is what the Rams got for the #2 pick.
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lol, i like your boldness. but, obviously no team is going to pay a premium for an aging MLB with a large contract. that's just common sense. demeco will be missed, but if you think he is "irreplaceable", you need to reconsider how you are personally evaluating the Texans.
 
I think Nawzer has a good point in that it's not just a debate about "value" in the trade. There is a sense of loss by a lot of fans who have enjoyed watching DeMeco for 6 seasons. I know he's one of my all-time favorite Texans and will be missed.
 
I just can't believe people don't see the positives here.

It's not that bad. We finally got something for a guy who was a walking injury report and on the field for 66% of the snaps.

JJ Watt and Cushing and Reed and Barwin and Smith and Manning and J Joseph...they can handle the role of being vocal leaders out there.
 
Texans 4th round draft picks to date:

4/99 Jonathan Wells Running back Ohio State
4/101 Domanick Davis Running back LSU
4/122 Glenn Earl Safety Notre Dame
4/114 Jerome Mathis Wide receiver Hampton
4/98 Owen Daniels Tight end Wisconsin
4/123 Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
4/112 Glover Quin Cornerback New Mexico
4/122 Anthony Hill Tight end North Carolina State
4/102 Darryl Sharpton Linebacker Miami (FL)
4/118 Garrett Graham Tight end Wisconsin
4/127 Rashad Carmichael Cornerback Virginia Tech
 
Wolf6151 said:
Because in the NFL you can't keep every over priced/over paid veteran just because you like him. There are salary cap issues to deal with and Demeco was making way to much money to be a 2 down LB. We also will need to re-sign Cushing, Barwin, and Duane Brown soon and that money has to come from somewhere.
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uh, I think I understand the cap thingy. I'm really not that naive. I was just asking why mid round draft picks are such a turn on.
 
Ryan said:
I don't understand the league's infatuation with draft picks. Half of them don't pan out to anything. I understand our cap situation is terrible, but i'd rather do a swap for a proven player in this league.


Add Hightower to our draft board.
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haha maybe you should root for the redskins, you're right on point with how they operate.
 
ItsMyFault said:
Damn, Demeco was a leader for that defense. He'll be missed.
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He's very vocal and does a good - "on three, break" - on the sidelines. Between the sidelines I see #56, the three/four down player with the green dot on his helmet as the leader. You know, the bloody guy.

Shocking move, yes, but not one that hasn't been discussed/shot down in other threads but the point there and here is the contract for a 35% of the time player and the :money:. JMO

We'll see what happens. I'm very interested to see how Rick Smith handles this.
 
GP said:
I just can't believe people don't see the positives here.

It's not that bad. We finally got something for a guy who was a walking injury report and on the field for 66% of the snaps.

JJ Watt and Cushing and Reed and Barwin and Smith and Manning and J Joseph...they can handle the role of being vocal leaders out there.
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i agree, demeco is beloved in htown, but his play leaves a lot to be desired. i am not saying he's going to be a bust in philly, but anyone who wanted more than what we got for him is california dreamin'.
 
I guess we'll see. I think it's scarier for us fans because we finally made it to the playoffs and then to be getting rid of so many names. Nobody can say we didn't try anything to build our team for future seasons though because nobody stays young and relevant forever.

:kitten:
 
Vinny said:
uh, I think I understand the cap thingy. I'm really not that naive. I was just asking why mid round draft picks are such a turn on.
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this is a very, very deep draft.. mid round picks will prove to be more valuable than the past.
 
drs23 said:
He's very vocal and does a good - "on three, break" - on the sidelines. Between the sidelines I see #56, the three/four down player with the green dot on his helmet as the leader. You know, the bloody guy.

Shocking move, yes, but not one that hasn't been discussed/shot down in other threads but the point there and here is the contract for a 35% of the time player and the :money:. JMO

We'll see what happens. I'm very interested to see how Rick Smith handles this.
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So what's gonna happen when we get rid of #56 for money reasons too? Are we gonna be cool with just drafting his replacement?

I'm all for letting go of guys that are good but can be dealt with. Losing Winston and Brisiel is tough, but not back-breakers. Losing DeMeco means SIGNIFICANTLY more than that.
 
GP said:
Now Tex, you've been really adamant about how "bad" Rick Smith is.

He's not young and he's been through a blown achilles, a bum shoulder, and a bum elbow. AND he's a helluva' lot more expensive than what we'll draft to replace him with.
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I don't mind that we traded him. I understand and agree that his value to this defense dropped since our system changed. I just feel that Demeco is still capable of being a great player and he's a great leader. For another team he is a great pick up. I feel we could have landed with better return.



GP said:
The defense we had in 2011 includes major contributions by two rookies and several guys like Barwin and Cushing who are, IIRC, 3-year guys vs. the 6-year guys we're cutting (due to multiple reasons, not "just" the cap implications).

We have to stay young. Period. And this move gave us multiple picks we can use or bundle to stay young AND make sure we get good value.
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I don't think we want to keep trying to stay young. We have a huge window right now. That's when I typically think that solid vets have a better impact to help younger teams go that extra mile. I think we were in that kind of position entering the off season.


GP said:
Sometimes I think everyone has this expectation that we've arrived and should not risk anything. That 2011 defense cost a nice penny, and it's just part of the price of success.

I have faith that Wade is going to identify and find the guys he needs to offset the loss of Mario (which I think is already on our roster) and DeMeco (which I think is in the draft).
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Well good for us, his role in this defense wasn't as big as it was in previous schemes. It's not like losing Cushing or Joseph right now would be. I do feel that his role is eaiser to replace now, but Demeco is going to be a really strong piece to the Eagles. They have really needed a good MLB, and getting a guy like Demeco is going to really give them a boost. I just feel like they sort of sleezed us on this one, and got great value for giving up very little. We really needed a steal on a transaction right now don't ya think?
 
Vinny said:
why does everyone want to trade proven for roll of the dice? Are we rebuilding?
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Almost seems that way. Team cohesiveness has to account for something. Texans are on the verge of taking away to many pieces of a successful team. Perhaps they were in salary cap hell? Who knows, this sucks and life goes on or some bulls--t like that. Good luck #59.
 
Lucky said:
I think Nawzer has a good point in that it's not just a debate about "value" in the trade. There is a sense of loss by a lot of fans who have enjoyed watching DeMeco for 6 seasons. I know he's one of my all-time favorite Texans and will be missed.
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Then can't people separate their shock of him being traded from the all-out HATRED toward Rick Smith???

What is so hard about that? I mean, it could have been Wade for all we know. Smith to the coaches: "Bob says make a list of guys to let go or trade..." Kubiak offers up Winston. Wade offers up J Allen and DeMeco.

Is RICK SMITH the guy making these decisions? Right now, everyone says it's all that damn Rick Smith's fault. If the cap is a problem, did Bob last year say to Rick "I know we're losing some guys next year. Just go get me new ones NOW to save the fan base NOW."

But people are so grief stricken there's no sense of rational thought here. I said it'd make 35 pages. I'm thinking maybe 45 or 46 now.
 
Next Rick Smith will be cutting Schaub because TJ is cheaper. This mentality that you can cut anybody with a big salary and replace them with rookie or cheap vet can ruin a team quick. It takes a good blend of the right expensive veterans with the right young players and some decent mid range talent. The great gms are the ones that seem to nail it the majority of times on player decisions. They also have good foresight when negotiating contracts.
 
x2_b75fde5
 
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:
 
GP said:
Then can't people separate their shock of him being traded from the all-out HATRED toward Rick Smith???

What is so hard about that? I mean, it could have been Wade for all we know. Smith to the coaches: "Bob says make a list of guys to let go or trade..." Kubiak offers up Winston. Wade offers up J Allen and DeMeco.

Is RICK SMITH the guy making these decisions? Right now, everyone says it's all that damn Rick Smith's fault. If the cap is a problem, did Bob last year say to Rick "I know we're losing some guys next year. Just go get me new ones NOW to save the fan base NOW."

But people are so grief stricken there's no sense of rational thought here. I said it'd make 35 pages. I'm thinking maybe 45 or 46 now.
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it's not like we left him high and dry, we gave him a big contract with tons of guaranteed money, and he'll continue to cash in with philly. he's very replaceable, no other way to put it.
 
fiasco west said:
Heh, Looks like Daryl Morey runs the Houston Texans as well.
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Difference between Morey and Smith is that Morey has been dealt a tough hand. With Yao and T-Mac done we were put in a really bad situation that we're going to come out of next year. Morey is doing the best he can with what he has. Not saying he's perfect, but I doubt there are many other GMs who could've done a better job than him. Plus, with super stars congregating it's hard to get one of those guys. As for Smith, I'm not going to complain too much about the Mario, Winston, and Brisiel loses because I think we have players who can replace them. My worry is that there is no one on the team right now imo who can replace Ryans. Sharpton is coming off major injury and expecting him to come in right away and replace that hole at ILB is bit unrealistic imo. It might take him up to a year to fully recover. Don't get me wrong, I hope Sharpton comes in and tears it up because above all I want my Texans to win. But it's not a realistic goal if you're going to play mid round rookies in critical position and hope to make a deep playoff run. It could happen, but imo it's not very likely. Of course, between now and game 1 we will probably sign some vets, so that remains to be seen.
 
Ktexan68 said:
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:
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Great. :toropalm:
 
Ktexan68 said:
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:
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well ****
 
GP said:
Is RICK SMITH the guy making these decisions? Right now, everyone says it's all that damn Rick Smith's fault.
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That's true. Smith is getting too much "credit" for these moves. They had to be stamped by Kubiak, Phillips, and McNair. I know McNair didn't like losing a guy like Ryans. It was a real tough move by the organization. If there's no salary cap, DeMeco is on this team.
 
GP said:
Then can't people separate their shock of him being traded from the all-out HATRED toward Rick Smith???

What is so hard about that? I mean, it could have been Wade for all we know. Smith to the coaches: "Bob says make a list of guys to let go or trade..." Kubiak offers up Winston. Wade offers up J Allen and DeMeco.

Is RICK SMITH the guy making these decisions? Right now, everyone says it's all that damn Rick Smith's fault. If the cap is a problem, did Bob last year say to Rick "I know we're losing some guys next year. Just go get me new ones NOW to save the fan base NOW."

But people are so grief stricken there's no sense of rational thought here. I said it'd make 35 pages. I'm thinking maybe 45 or 46 now.
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If Rick Smith isn't making the decisions he should be fired and we should get a GM that actually makes decisions and leads a franchise.
 
Look at it this way:Who would you rather keep?
Winston or Brown?
Briseil or Myers?
Ryans or Cushing?
Mario or Myers, Brown Cushing, Foster?

The players we've lost are good to above average at their positions but certainly replaceable. The Texans re-signed the two truly elite players we have in FA this season in Foster and Myers.
The defense showed us what it had without Mario. Pretty damned good.
I'm very ready to see what our OL looks like without a turnstile at RT in passpro.
Briseil was by no means an elite guard and we have capable players that can fill that spot.
I applaud Smith for trimming the fat now before we do get truly into cap hell and have to lose players that are actually in their prime and have no major injury history.
Just my :twocents:
 
ckhouston said:
Because we are loaded at OLB and he is intense and a strong tackler. You wont run against him and he will bring the heat up the middle.
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How are we loaded at OLB, after Barwin and Reed is who...Jamison? Braman look sto be a canidate for the 3rd OLB spot on the roster why weaken the depth at the primary pass rushing spot on the D?
 
Ryans , Winston , and Mario finally made the playoffs on a team lead by Watt , Cushing , Foster , Joseph , Brown , Barwin , AJ , and Manning . Today the Texans aren't better but next month they may be .
 
bckey said:
Next Rick Smith will be cutting Schaub because TJ is cheaper. This mentality that you can cut anybody with a big salary and replace them with rookie or cheap vet can ruin a team quick. It takes a good blend of the right expensive veterans with the right young players and some decent mid range talent. The great gms are the ones that seem to nail it the majority of times on player decisions. They also have good foresight when negotiating contracts.
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Lolololol @ the bold.
 
I'm usually level headed and calm and trust that the FO knows something we don't. But WHAT THE *&!@?!!!!
 
Ktexan68 said:
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:
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If that info is correct, now I't totally confused about the Texans' cap because I thought we were already right at the max before this move ?
BTW, who's gonna tell Cushing about this ?
 
Ktexan68 said:
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:
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Still a great move to some of yall?
 
Hoth-Boy said:
McClain is saying we take a 6.75 mil hit this year and freed up 9 mil for next. But it's McClain so take if for what it is worth.
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Right. McClain hasn't gotten much right this offseason. Ryans could be designated a June 1st cut, and the cap hit could be spread over 2 years. It's the type of accounting stuff that the media isn't always on top of.
 
Ktexan68 said:
According to the General we're taking a huge cap HIT because of this trade...


John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
Trading DeMeco Ryans caused Texans to take a $6.75 mi cap hit cause of acclerated SB but freed $9 mil for next year.


:wadepalm:
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we don't need cap for THIS year, it's all about next offseason (cush, brown, barwin, schaub)
 
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