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DE Tony Weaver signed
- Thread starter samomin
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He will be playing DE.
I dont think that that means Mario is completely off our radar though.
Mario, Johnson, Smith, and Weaver could easily be our line.. with Babin and Peek playing situational pass rusher slash OLB
I have a feeling that we are gonna see alot of 3-4 mixed in with our 4-3 next season.
I dont think that that means Mario is completely off our radar though.
Mario, Johnson, Smith, and Weaver could easily be our line.. with Babin and Peek playing situational pass rusher slash OLB
I have a feeling that we are gonna see alot of 3-4 mixed in with our 4-3 next season.
MorKnolle
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tulexan said:
I wasn't sure on that, I kind of doubt it but at the same time Seth Payne is getting old and maybe they would be looking to replace him and maybe they don't like his fit in a 4-3 defense, plus if Weaver only got $13 million total money for 5 years, that's not a whole lot for a "good" DE, that is more of a DT's type money. The scouting report did point out he's a much better runstopper than passrusher. I guess we'll have to wait until his salary thing is cleared up and whether it was a $13 million bonus or that $13 million was his total, and then see where they intend to play him. Signing him and drafting Mario to be our RDE pass rusher would be interesting, but with them keeping Peek and protecting him with the high RFA tender I think they intend to give Peek significant playing time.
MorKnolle
All Pro
texan279 said:
With or without Mario, I expect Peek to see more playing time at DE than Babin, every time I've heard the defensive coaches talk about our DLine, they've mentioned how much they like Peek's energy and aggressiveness and haven't said much of anything about Babin, so I expect they plan on having Peek on the field more than Babin. That said, I'm not sure what having Weaver as a DE will do to our chances of taking Mario, I think it drastically decreases our chances of taking him and pretty much guarantees we're taking Bush, but if Weaver ends up being a DT and replacing Seth Payne there then I think we could definitely go for Mario.
BTW http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2364565 is the ESPN article about Weaver being signed (identical to HPF's one before they changed that bit about Weaver's contract). Does anyone else find it amusing that ESPN called him Justin Babin and that after playing in the league 3 years he still is virtually an unknown around the league?
texan279
Hall of Fame
MorKnolle said:
I see what you're saying but IMO I would rather have Babin starting at DE. He was a beast as a DE in college and from what I saw from him last season playing in the 3 point stance he impressed me. I think he could be the more all around DE than Peek. I see Peek as more of a pass rusher. Just my
though...
MorKnolle
All Pro
texan279 said:I see what you're saying but IMO I would rather have Babin starting at DE. He was a beast as a DE in college and from what I saw from him last season playing in the 3 point stance he impressed me. I think he could be the more all around DE than Peek. I see Peek as more of a pass rusher. Just my
I agree with you on the size thing, although a RDE is supposed to just be a pass rusher, and I'd still prefer Peek's aggressiveness, high energy and motor to Babin's 15 extra lbs. (both can gain some weight too, so Peek could catch up on that).
I see Babin as the LAST coaching staff's "guy".. if he doesnt wow the new staff..I see him playing a limited role and eventually being let go. Thats why I still see Mario as a possibility.
Yah we spent a high draft pick on Babin, but it wouldnt be the first time that a high draft pick rode the pine under a new staff.
Yah we spent a high draft pick on Babin, but it wouldnt be the first time that a high draft pick rode the pine under a new staff.
MorKnolle
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texan279 said:Babin has only played 2 seasons...
My bad, it feels like we've been waiting longer than that for him to produce.
Grid said:
Agreed, even though we used a lot of draft picks to get him, that was with our old regime and if our new staff doesn't like him I think he could be gone as soon as it is economically reasonable to do so, maybe we could trade him to another 3-4 team for a 6th-7th round pick and see what they can get from him on the field.
texan279 said:
I think he can, and I think he'll be able to play better than he has been if he's a DE and all we ask him to do is go hit the QB rather than sitting back in our custom 3-4 cover 2 defense and having to cover people and try to run whatever other unnecessarily complicated things FAngio had people doing.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
texan279 said:I see what you're saying but IMO I would rather have Babin starting at DE. He was a beast as a DE in college and from what I saw from him last season playing in the 3 point stance he impressed me. I think he could be the more all around DE than Peek. I see Peek as more of a pass rusher. Just my
Agreed.
MorKnolle
All Pro
Another interesting thing on Weaver and Rosenfels, the Texans website has an article on them signing Jameel Cook and they have added him to their roster on there, but they have no mention of Weaver or Rosenfels. Also, NFL.com does not have any mention of these moves on their "latest minute-to-minute free-agent move" page and ESPN's actual transaction page has nothing on either of these. I wonder why these are apparently being kept so quiet or if an official deal has not actually been made with either of them yet.
Pryce has better production history than Weaver. However, Weaver is younger and better than any DE we have on roster. Compare contracts:
Weaver- 5 yrs. - 13 mil
Pryce - 5 yrs. - 25 mil
If those numbers are correct, Weaver's contract average is not unbearable.
I don't think this preclude Texans from selecting Mario Williams.
Weaver- 5 yrs. - 13 mil
Pryce - 5 yrs. - 25 mil
If those numbers are correct, Weaver's contract average is not unbearable.
I don't think this preclude Texans from selecting Mario Williams.
lol... its all i can do now is laugh. weaver averages what? like 30 tackles and 2 sacks per season? he should fit right in, Robaire & payne can tell him how to handle being an overpaid underperforming lineman for the texans.
Are we ever going to get a premier player? not "a big name" but a player that actually has potential to make a pro-bowl or something.
Are we ever going to get a premier player? not "a big name" but a player that actually has potential to make a pro-bowl or something.
Weaver is an emerging young defensive end. No, he is not Dwight Freeny, but he is solid against the run, which we desperately need, and decent at pass rushing. He's definately an upgrade and my gut tells me that we will see Babin really step it up this year and be very effective in the 4-3. I think Peek is the odd man out here. I think he'll only be a situational pass rusher ala Jason Taylor.
Like Casserly said, they will address the needs for this team through free agency, not the draft. They will pick the best player available since the draft is such a crap shoot. Reggie Bush will be our first pick because he is by far the highest rated player on the board.
Like Casserly said, they will address the needs for this team through free agency, not the draft. They will pick the best player available since the draft is such a crap shoot. Reggie Bush will be our first pick because he is by far the highest rated player on the board.
stevo3883 said:
whine whine whine whine whine.
yes he averages around 30 tackles per season. incidentally..so dont Dwight Freeney. He averages about 3.5-4 sacks per season as well.. but he is progressing and the one thing that everyone seems to be saying about him is "ready to move to the next level".
So he is a young player on the verge..and fits our needs.
cry me a river.
run-david-run
All Pro
That was the old regime. I doubt Kubiak would bat an eye at putting Babin on the bench and I doubt CC has much say in this draft.texan279 said:
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I think we pay for talent on spec way too much. I don't think anyone would question this if he had one year with double digit sacks. There is no speculation if he has a track record. To think he puts up more sacks on a less talented team is not sane. Well, it's probably sane - but his sack numbers will not surge because he is in a better defense.Grid said:
Vinny
shiny happy fan
You are probably right but Casserly has established a pattern. From Carr to Wade to Kris Brown most of our guys have been paid on spec and it hasn't been pretty so far as the larger contracts and the smaller production yeilds pile up...so that is where the cynicism is in the deal. People are just worried.Grid said:
samomin
Waterboy
texman8 said:
Weaver got more money han Pryce. Look at the Chron article:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3717783.html
Dang! This guy better live upto expectations now. WOW! Good thing he is young and can be productive for the length of the contract.
Vinny said:
the thing is Weaver is the EXACT mold of guys like greenwood, Wade, & Robaire. Guys that are middle of the pack, with not much upside. had maybe 1 or two alright years and we sign them to a contract of a high first round draft pick.
IMO this guy isnt athletic enought to provide much of a pass rush for us. we neeeeeeeeeeeed pass rush, not another run stuffer.
dirty steve
Veteran
stevo3883 said:
what do you want us to do? overpay for trevor pryce? maybe kubes knows a couple of things about pryce by being a DENVER assistant coach for all those years.
dirty steve
Veteran
give him a chance! you guys act like this is capers signing him or something. and you can't possibly know how much casserly had to do with this signing, unless your mailing address is 1 Reliant Park.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Pryce is a 4 time Pro Bowler. He has at least proven he can play. The Ravens just signed him to replace Weaver. Whats so bad about getting a guy who can play a couple of years and release him? It sure beats a team of potential that never is realized. Perhaps Weaver is the right choice. I donno...but this smells like Casserly all over again.dirty steve said:
MorKnolle
All Pro
tulexan said:
He is in charge of doing that, and I think the coaches wanted these guys, although I'm not real sure why on Rosenfels. I'm not sure how much Casserly is involved in the salary negotiations or if it's more of that Ferens guy that the article mentioned, but either way they have a four year history of badly overpaying free agents and it looks like they're continuing that trend. Weaver should be a good acquisition, but $5.2 million a year? That sounds like a lot more than he would have gotten anywhere else, and this continues the trend of us seeming desperate to find a couple guys a year and overpaying to do so, and I think agents and players all around the league now realize they can con our salary negotiators into giving them large deals.
dirty steve
Veteran
stevo3883 said:
I guess you currently hold a front office position with a current NFL franchise, have an extensive knowledge of the salary cap, and are entrusted to make those type of decisions.
dirty steve
Veteran
stevo3883 said:
thaz cool man. i just wish people would give kubes and the rest of the staff a little time to sort this mess out.
MorKnolle
All Pro
texan279 said:
I trust Kubiak to get guys that he and his staff feel will help the team, but whoever is negotiating these contracts should get canned because they are obviously overpaying for Weaver and have had a history of badly overpaying free agents and resigning of our guys (Wade, Walker, Payne, Greenwood, Wong, etc.) At some point in time these drastic overspendings are going to hurt this team when they don't have the cap room to do much, and they're generally still only bringing in 2nd-tier talent but paying top-tier prices for them (I don't have a problem with them targeting guys like Weaver and Flanagan over Abraham and Bentley, but I do have a problem when they pay them almost as much as the top guys get, see Greenwood getting a contract on par with Kendrell Bell, Jaime Sharper, etc. last year and Todd Wade being the 2nd highest paid RT in the game having never made a Pro Bowl).
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
MorKnolle said:
I completly agree. I thought after nearly losig his job Casserly might try and do a better job in FA, espically with value issues. I was totaly onboard with the Weaver signing, but we overpiad AGAIN!
And with Givens now gone, and probaly good chuvk of our cap space, we probaly won't get any other good/big name players. Dosn't mean there arn't any players to be had I just doubt we'll make a push for the Arrington/Witherspoon types. Maybe the Fujita types, ie more lower teir types.
This is a big buzzkill, espically after the high of the Kubiak hire.