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DE Tony Weaver signed

Runner said:
What is everyone's opinon: does signing Weaver preclude us from taking Mario Wiliams?
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If what everyone is saying is correct, one is Julius Peppers and the other is a poor man's Gary Walker.

So.....I think they should be mutually exclusive decisions.
 
If this really is 13 mil guaranteed money, just goes to show once again that the Texans and teams like them have to pay a really steep premium in FA.
Also, after spending this kind of coin on a strong side DE, Mario Williams
instantanously becomes a much less likely choice for us in the Draft.
 
If it is 13 Mil up front then I am skeptical...but if is 5 years 13 Mil then that is a better deal...as of now we dont have any strongside DE so we need one...I dont think this has anything to do with Mario Williams at all...but we will see
 
Vinny said:
Here is his profile page from his draft http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/weaver_anthony.htm
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Here is Lenny P. current take

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2360759

"Established run defender who is more solid than spectacular and whose sack total (14½ in four seasons) might increase if he is able to get to a 4-3 team. Good strength for a guy who regularly plays in the 285-pound range. Fundamentally sound. Had some injuries in 2005."

We would want this to be true.
 
The main injury that kept him out was a dislocated toe, which shouldn't be a carryover concern.
 
Dunta_23 said:
If it is 13 Mil up front then I am skeptical...but if is 5 years 13 Mil then that is a better deal...as of now we dont have any strongside DE so we need one...I dont think this has anything to do with Mario Williams at all...but we will see
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If it is $13M guaranteed, could some of be roster bonus(es) down the road and therefore only "guaranteed" if we keep him?
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Here is Lenny P. current take

"Established run defender who is more solid than spectacular and whose sack total (14½ in four seasons) might increase if he is able to get to a 4-3 team. Good strength for a guy who regularly plays in the 285-pound range. Fundamentally sound. Had some injuries in 2005."
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Weaver is a good bull rusher like Walker is/was. Walker was also only about 285-295 when he came in to the NFL if I remember correctly, but Walker got considerably bigger over the years. I haven't watched 'most' of Weavers games by any strech but I haven't see too much of an edge rush from him when I did get to take in a Ratbird game.
 
weaver isn't a bad DE in my mind...13 million garenteed isn't really that much if it's over a long period of time...and since he's only been in the league for 4 years he has a lot of playing time left in him so i'm sure it's atleast a 5 year deal meaning he's probably going to average 2.6 mil a year but with contracts so back rated he'll probably start at around 800k then add on from there...he'll never see the full amount of the contract
 
aj. said:
If what everyone is saying is correct, one is Julius Peppers and the other is a poor man's Gary Walker.

So.....I think they should be mutually exclusive decisions.
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This is just a joke.
Maybe if Peppers and Walker mated, and had a kid, with less talent, maybe that's Weaver.
 
aj. said:
If they gave Weaver more than a $10 million signing bonus, I'm going to puke.
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After your done, do you know of a good source for tar and feathers?

Some DE signing bonuses:

Jevon Kearse--$12 mil
Derrick Burgess--$6 mil (16 sacks this year by the way)
Kyle van den Bosch--$5 mil
Adewale Ogunleye--$10 mil

This has got to come out as $5-7 mil or so signing bonus with some roster bonuses which aren't actually guaranteed for the remainder--hope, hope--doesn't it?
 
Vinny said:
Weaver is a good bull rusher like Walker is/was. Walker was also only about 285-295 when he came in to the NFL if I remember correctly, but Walker got considerably bigger over the years. I haven't watched 'most' of Weavers games by any strech but I haven't see too much of an edge rush from him when I did get to take in a Ratbird game.
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I don't mind Weaver the player as much as minding what seems to Weaver the contract. If anything Weaver has lost weight in the pros. Your assessment of his pass rush skills seem to agree with what I have seen and what I saw under ESPN's Insider.
 
This is the most tangible evidence of the Texans desire and plan to take Bush, because this was arguably their biggest need and one of the BPA was
Williams who maybe was the only pure stong side DE among the top DL. And there's plenty of OL talent, so they can get a tackle with their second round pick and don't need to focus on Ferguson. We don't need a QB, so nothing left but to take Bush or trade it for just the pick but with no particular player targeted. In this way, the Texans now have more flexiblity in trading down
as they can now go much farther down.
 
Hey guys, Jet fan here.

I came here to see you opiniions because that 13m gaurenteed popped out on me.

It looks like you guys may not go to just a 4-3, it looks like 3-4 is in your future and most likely you guys will be using multiple fronts until you have the personal to go 4-3. Weaver helps that situaiton alot.

Anyway 13m may seem alot, BUT, wait and see what some other De's make before you compare them. Theres Carter, Abraham, Darren Howard etc. All those guys should make WAYYYYYYYY more then Weaver, so hold off your opinions if you overpaid or not till then.

If you see howard, or Carter coming in with a similar SB--Then there may be a time to flip out.
 
I've always liked Weaver, ever since college. I think he will be a great dl against the run. Either moving inside or just coming out on passing downs and being replaced by either Peek or Babin.
 
nunusguy said:
This is the most tangible evidence of the Texans desire and plan to take Bush, because this was arguably their biggest need and one of the BPA was
Williams who maybe was the only pure stong side DE among the top DL. And there's plenty of OL talent, so they can get a tackle with their second round pick and don't need to focus on Ferguson. We don't need a QB, so nothing left but to take Bush or trade it for just the pick but with no particular player targeted. In this way, the Texans now have more flexiblity in trading down
as they can now go much farther down.
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Disagree. I don't think it tells us anything more. Williams has the same type of speed and quickness that the guys who are 25-30 lighter at weakside end.
 
Look at what Kendrick Clancy got...from www.kffl.com

TEMPE, Arizona (Ticker) - More than $25 million under the salary cap, the Arizona Cardinals signed defensive tackle Kendrick Clancy to a four-year contract on Saturday.

Financial terms were not disclosed, but Clancy reportedly received $8 million.

Clancy, 27, started 15 of 16 games for the New York Giants last season, recording 39 tackles, two sacks, two forced fumbles and one fumble recovery.

Clancy played in 53 games for the Pittsburgh Steelers from 2000-2004 and was signed by the Giants as an unrestricted free agent last offseason.
 
for all those guys mad about giving the players a big signing bonus, look at are season last year, so you can't say houston is a hot spot for FA, so we will have to over spend on the players we sign, for example: look at the Toronto Blue Jays, they spent alot of money on A.J. burnett, and they over paid him, because thats the only way teams will get better is with better players, and if your not a playoff contender it makes it hard for players wanting to come to your team
 
dunta23 said:
for all those guys mad about giving the players a big signing bonus, look at are season last year, so you can't say houston is a hot spot for FA, so we will have to over spend on the players we sign, for example: look at the Toronto Blue Jays, they spent alot of money on A.J. burnett, and they over paid him, because thats the only way teams will get better is with better players, and if your not a playoff contender it makes it hard for players wanting to come to your team
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Arizona didn't have to overpay Clancy...
 
I havent read this whole thread..so pardon me if im repeating what others have said... but..

I like this signing.. he is a solid DE.. he is from Abilene Tx, and ive heard it said that he only has 14 1/2 sacks in the 3-4.. but that that number could really go up if you put him in a 4-3. Hes young as well.
 
travfrancis said:
^ you aren't at all repeating what others have said, you are pretty much the first to like this signing.
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I don't think others do not like the signing, but the amount of guaranteed money involved...
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Disagree. I don't think it tells us anything more. Williams has the same type of speed and quickness that the guys who are 25-30 lighter at weakside end.
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Until we made this deal, I don't think we had a strong side DE on our whole
roster. Now we do, and we made a very big investment in our new DE and he
might be our biggest FA deal in financial terms for our entire offseason.
He will be our starter next year, and since he's only 25, I would imagine the coachs expect him to start for us for several years. Therefor, I think its much, much more unlikely that we'd use our top pick on another player who plays Weavers exact same position. And we have players on our roster already who can play weakside DE.
 
John Clayton on ESPN radio just said it is 5 years for 13 Mill. Didn't say anything about it being garanteed.
 
I think I just threw up in my mouth. Weaver is a nice player and we need legit DE's if we go to the 4-3. 13 million bones is a lot of guaranteed money. I honestly did not think we would make a splash in FA, but this is potentially a belly flop if the contract does not have a trap door for us.
 
honestly.. I dont really care about what we paid at this point. We are an expansion team that finished worst in the league last season.. its going to take some convincing to get people to come to us. We have overpaid in the past and it has yet to come back and bite us.. i trust the FO in this.
 
It fills a need- the guy just needs to be solid for that kind of money. We need to fill some holes through FA then spice it up through the draft with impact player (on both sides of the ball)
 
Ok...is anyone SURE about what we've paid...I've heard undisclosed, guaranteed, and not guaranteed.

Anyone read anything confirming or are we speculating?
 
I think we are still speculating.. there has been info that looked legit..but there is too much contradictory info to say one way or the other at this point.
 
Grid said:
honestly.. I dont really care about what we paid at this point. We are an expansion team that finished worst in the league last season.. its going to take some convincing to get people to come to us. We have overpaid in the past and it has yet to come back and bite us.. i trust the FO in this.
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The expansion excuse was a stretch last year...

$22 million in signing bonuses to Gary Walker and Todd Wade bites a lot if you ask me and a few thousand other people.
 
So then yall think that we just like paying people millions more than they are worth? I mean.. dont you think that there is some negotiation involved? I seriously doubt we are just bringing in average players and saying "here, have a few million more"... there is a reason why we are overpaying, and the only reason that makes sense is that we are a new team with a bad record.
 
Coach C. said:
They just recently switched back to a 43-46 set. When he was drafted they were a 34 team.
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When he was drafted they were a 43 team, they won the SuperBowl playing a 4-3, not a 3-4.
Also, the fact that this was done so soon makes me believe that there was no other team to bump up the price.
 
"Ravens find a replacement: The Baltimore Ravens wasted no time in replacing defensive end Anthony Weaver Saturday, reaching a five-year, $25 million agreement with former Broncos defensive end Trevor Pryce.
Pryce has been one of the most dominating defensive linemen in the league whether he has played at defensive end or defensive tackle. The Broncos cut him in a cap-related move last week that saved the Broncos $8.5 million of cap room.
Included in the deal for Pryce is $10 million of guarantees.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2364242
 
run-david-run said:
When he was drafted they were a 43 team, they won the SuperBowl playing a 4-3, not a 3-4.
Also, the fact that this was done so soon makes me believe that there was no other team to bump up the price.
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That's wrong. They were 3-4. Now they are 4-3.
 
So what I'm hearing is that we gave more guaranteed money to Weaver than the Ravens gave Pryce?

<Cartmann Voice> g## dammit.......
 
The Dude Abides said:
That's wrong. They were 3-4. Now they are 4-3.
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No it's not. Jamie Sharper played with the Ravens on the Super Bowl team and it was as OLB in a 4-3. They then converted to a 3-4 for a few years and have now gone back to a 4 man front.
 
The Dude Abides said:
That's wrong. They were 3-4. Now they are 4-3.
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== Defense ==
Burnett, Rob LE
Adams, Sam LT
Siragusa, Tony RT
McCrary, Michael RE
Boulware, Peter LLB
Lewis, Ray MLB
Sharper, Jamie RLB
Starks, Duane LCB
McAlister, Chris RCB
Herring, Kim SS
Woodson, Rod FS

That is the starting lineup of the Ravens D for Superbowl 35. Please notice the 4 defensive linemen and 3 linebackers. They switched to a 3-4 two years ago, then experimented with 34, 43 and 46 this season.
 
Not drafting well and having to overpay free agents are functions that are inextricably linked.
 
So would anyone like to explain why we would be so hard up for an end who has 14.5 career sacks and dont even make an attempt at Pryce?

I thought this team wanted to win.

Why does Casserly still have a job?
 
aj. said:
Not drafting well and having to overpay free agents are functions that are inextricably linked.
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However, we have drafted resonably well. Other then a couple of 2nd round busts, the players we have selected have worked out pretty well for us, not necesseraly great, but not too bad either. Of course we could have done better if we selected other players instead of the ones we chose (Portis over Gaff, Khalif Barnes over Buchanon trade, etc... but the draft is not an exact science.

FA, on the other hand, is a completly differant monster, one that Casserly has not yet tamed.

Also, to the poster above, Pryce is on the down side of his career, Weaver is in his 5th season. Also, Pryce would come at a considerably higher price, seeing as we have a lot of holes and the number one pick, cap room is not to be wasted.
 
run-david-run said:
However, we have drafted resonably well. Other then a couple of 2nd round busts, the players we have selected have worked out pretty well for us, not necesseraly great, but not too bad either. Of course we could have done better if we selected other players instead of the ones we chose (Portis over Gaff, Khalif Barnes over Buchanon trade, etc... but the draft is not an exact science.

FA, on the other hand, is a completly differant monster, one that Casserly has not yet tamed.
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This is off the top of my head but we have had 6 second round picks since we started this franchise and right now only Pitts is a firm starter. If you are going to build a team via the draft you have to do better than that with your second round picks.
 
Vinny said:
This is off the top of my head but we have had 6 second round picks since we started this franchise and right now only Pitts is a firm starter. If you are going to build a team via the draft you have to do better than that with your second round picks.
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I thought Pitts was a 3rd round pick...
 
Gaffney was a solid starter
a 2nd round was traded for Babin who was a starter when healthy
another 2nd was traded for Buchanon who started and was then demoted, then injured...
Chester Pitts is now our starting LT...

The picks havent been bad....just the trades...
 
Hollings, Joppru, Pitts, Gaffney, were drafted and we traded out of the second round twice. Joppru has never seen the field, Hollings is gone, and Gaffney wasn't tendered.
 
Would somebody please explain why in heaven's name we went after Weaver and didn't make a move on Pryce? It just makes no sense at all, and then to pay Weaver Pryce money to boot.

Somebody on this club has his head up his backside.

Or, maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't heard an explanation that makes any sense at all. If money talks, and it usually does, we should have gotten Pryce. Maybe he doesn't like Kubiak, or the other way around? Help me!

Looking around, I see some people have Pryce listed as a DT and Weaver as a DE (12th best DE in FA according to Scout.com).
 
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