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yaboycm said:
What I have been saying ALL YEAR. McNair found some football sense. "Carr can't pick up his secondary receiver." What I have been saying all year long.
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Don't pat yourself on the back too hard. For one, this is a rumor site, and two...others have identified this problem years ago.
 
After seeing Leinart whine after a hit in the Zona St game, I could only imagine what he'd be like playing behind this line.

Most QB's can find their 2nd WR fairly easily.

Carr can't find it cause 2 seconds into his progressions he's usually on his backside.
 
Doom Capers said:
You must play Madden. That is the only reason I knew his number, lol.
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Haha. I think that is why I knew it. any 80's number looks weird in my mind on him save 83.
 
Frills said:
We pay this O-line 12 mil

And people claim the gov't misappropiates funds :brickwall
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reminds me of the joke (or someone actually said it).. Coach is yelling at the RB and telling him "don't we pay you 2 million a year to score touchdowns?" The RB responded "Yeah, but they pay him 3 million a year to tackle me"

:tv:
 
SESupergenius said:
I think this persond was scouring the message board and came across a post from one of our fans saying he thought this way about Carr, but didn't bother to keep up with the rebutals or didn't see the game where Carr layed it right in Brad fords hands for a potentially game tieing score.....as the 2nd reciever.
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For further proof, see the Gafney TD pass against Indy. He had time, looked off the defense, pump-faked and found an open Gaff for a TD over the middle.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
We also can not forget the value DC has here by being the face of the Texans in a large market. He will certainly lose any endorsements that mirror his current status if he goes elsehwere.
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If he goes to the Jets, what he makes in Houston would look like chump change if he is the starter.
 
If somebody knows how to set up a poll, set one up with those who support Carr and those who want Carr gone. Please.
 
Vince Young=Randall Cunningham he has a very similar skill set so that is why people feel he will play QB in this league. He will and he will do a good job his first years in the league he will run a good deal and then be able to beat people with his feet and arm. It will take time though.
 
lod01 said:
Vince Young??? Holy cow. You gotta be kidding. Why do people think that guy can play QB in the NFL.
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I want somebody to go to another NFL team, not Dallas, and see what they think of Vince. Ill bet the overwhelming support is confined to the Texas homers we have here.
 
Because Vince is their savior, he led them to their first win after 5 years of humiliation by OU.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
I went to school with him...so I think he's actually pretty cool. I think he has the talent, but hasn't been given a fair opportunity. I think every player deserves a chance, but I don't think he has gotten a fair shake. It's not like the problems are hidden either. They are as blaitently obvious and right under the noses of those in charge.
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Fresno St. is a sweet campus spent some time in Cali and went up there with this chick for a party man it was sweet.

Back to business though I cannot deny that he has not been given an opportunity and he is a modern day Archie Manning, but in that same vein he does make some mistakes that should be gone by now. I think if we hire a guy like Brian Shottenheimer as OC/QB coach then Carr will be what everyone expects him to be.
 
This thread isn't about Vince Young or how I hate UT or how much OU sucks. Stay on topic or go talk in the NCAA/draft forum please.
 
edo783 said:
If he goes to the Jets, what he makes in Houston would look like chump change if he is the starter.
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Do they have that type of money? Would they be willing to spend that type of money on DC's 4 year performance? What are the Pennington cap implications? They will need to address their RB situation, not to mention a possible coaching change.

Lastly, would David Carr and family be able to hack the NY spotlight and lifestyle?
 
Tankhead said:
First post to mention Vince was none other than Fiddy. So ban him now. :challenge

As for the article it looks like it was written by a message board hack. No chance in hell the Texans get rid of Carr. Fact is the coaching staff is gone after the season is over. Things will be much improved next year. Another prediction is Coleman will be gone.
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I'm not banning anyone for being off topic and I'll ban you again if you want to keep making personal attacks.
 
Folks.. Carr is NOT where he needs to be on his QB skills. Ok, he makes one or two good passes, but the majority of his passes are badly placed. He is more on target with short passes under 10, but get over 10 and his percentage falls drastically with or without time. He makes 4 bad passes minimum for every good one. He needs someone to either teach him, or replace him. IF it can be taught with coaching, then get him someone before next year. Otherwise, he will be little if no better next year without true guidance and would be a mistake to keep. Personally, I feel the BEST thing for Carr is to go to another team where he will learn from experienced players and improve from experience.. I think we are holding him back from being a decent QB to a great QB. I dont like having to say that, but its probably close to fact if he will be a great QB of the future. :texflag:
 
I say get someone other than Bradford at the #2 spot and get a TE that can block and catch. Then lets see what Carr can do. He makes his mistakes but I"d like to see what would happen with a legit OL and legit WR corp.


I'd also like to see a legit gamebreaking back. We have solid RB by committee right now.
 
Dime said:
Folks.. Carr is NOT where he needs to be on his QB skills. Ok, he makes one or two good passes, but the majority of his passes are badly placed. He is more on target with short passes under 10, but get over 10 and his percentage falls drastically with or without time. He makes 4 bad passes minimum for every good one. He needs someone to either teach him, or replace him. IF it can be taught with coaching, then get him someone before next year. Otherwise, he will be little if no better next year without true guidance and would be a mistake to keep. Personally, I feel the BEST thing for Carr is to go to another team where he will learn from experienced players and improve from experience.. I think we are holding him back from being a decent QB to a great QB. I dont like having to say that, but its probably close to fact if he will be a great QB of the future. :texflag:
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4 bad passes for every good one?
 
I read in the paper today that the team wants to take more shots down the field.....

Well......he did that with a perfect pass to Bradford (who dropped the ball) and the Carr haters were out in full force, He got into trouble with his coach and the fatty old guy who has never earned his money (#96).

LOL, poor guy, he better hope to go to a new team, just so he can win, and all the haters (as in my other post) will whine about us letting yet another guy go who wins.
 
Whoever they get better be able to scramble and run or they will look just as bad as Carr behind the pathetic O-Line we have.
 
For a draft spin, wouldn't this make the #1 pick more valuable if there was a chance that we would get Leinhart? We would get more value this way. Nobody would give up the farm if they knew we were pick D'Brick. Obvious......but wanted to point that out.
 
caddy said:
Super Dave is here to stay.. And we're lucky to have him. Same knocks about him are seen on Eagles MB about their QB. Plus one about interceptions. Anyone here so unhappy about Super Dave effort's can let me know, by letting go of his Texans gear. But I'm not holding my breath when it is so easy to play " blame the QB " :texflag:
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I agree with you that Carr is here to stay. I'd be really suprised if they let him go, all things considered. (Kinda' sad that Eagle fans would turn on McNabb considering he's let them to four NFC Championships in a row and they were in the Superbowl just 10 months ago.)

I think threads like these are just fan speculation because there's very little to talk about with a 1-8 team, other than "what ifs" and "how abouts". idonno:
 
markbeth said:
so when carr dumps the ball off and the rb gains 7 or 8 yards is that a bad or good pass?
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Thats what I was wondering but I guess with the new math 61% = 1 out of 5 nowadays.
 
:tomato: If the Texans feel Carr has trouble with the mental part of the game ... then Palmer , Pendry and Capers all know it and that might explain the vanilla offense . That also might explain an uninspired OL .
 
I'm a Houston Texans season ticket holder. I'm for the Texans 100%. I don't know all the business elements like salary caps and related items. But, I do know that David Carr is not working out. Neither are several others on both sides of the ball. We need some wholesale cleaning from the the GM position, to the coaches level, and definitely the players. This may be carried out over the next two to three years.
I don't see Carr making any improvement...at least not on this team. Some people are on the team just because they're Aggies.
Some people made some very poor choices back when...Boselli, and Juppreau for example. Carr is no exception. If he can't pan out...nothing personal...it's just business my friend. IMO, he lacks the leadership skills and maturity to seriously lead an NFL team to the Promised Land. I know he's religious and very close to his father, but that doesn't count in the NFL.

I feel for Bob McNair...he's a great Houston leader. How much more can he endure. He's got alot more money and patience than I do. Let's get 'er done.
 
Dime said:
He is more on target with short passes under 10, but get over 10 and his percentage falls drastically with or without time. He makes 4 bad passes minimum for every good one. He needs someone to either teach him, or replace him. IF it can be taught with coaching, then get him someone before next year.
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Nothing like flying by the seat of your pants impressions for making hiring and firing decisions.

Mr. Inaccurate aka David Carr--passes from 21-30 yds 44% completions
Peyton the Six Billion Dollar MVP perfect Manning--passes from 21-30 yds 43.8% completions.
Tom Mr. Superbowl Brady--passes from 21-30 yds 29.5% completions

Yep... that statement is VERY accurate to the truth.
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Give or take 100% accuracy, you might scinch by.
 
Am I the only one sad about this????

When we drafted Carr I NEVER thought even the talk about this would be in our direction. This is a huge wrong turn that our franchise has taken that I didn't think would happen so early in our history.

Regardless if you like Carr or not, no one thought we'd be in this situation in year four....
 
markbeth said:
so when carr dumps the ball off and the rb gains 7 or 8 yards is that a bad or good pass?
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I am talking about ball placement. Go back and watch even the completed passes. On a dump off, it should either lead the reciever or hit him in the numbers when the RB is standing still. Again, under 10 yards, as I have said before, Carr is more accurate. But he still has quite a few bad placement issues even then. Most of the time, the reciever has to compensate for a poorly thrown ball. Dont believe me, just watch the tape and decide from what you see on where the ball was thrown to the reciever, and where it should have been thrown. It makes a difference big time.

Note: I am not asking for a Manning here folks, but I feel when you review it, you will see that the placement is off. Rushed or Not.
 
Texans Pride said:
Am I the only one sad about this????

When we drafted Carr I NEVER thought even the talk about this would be in our direction. This is a huge wrong turn that our franchise has taken that I didn't think would happen so early in our history.

Regardless if you like Carr or not, no one thought we'd be in this situation in year four....
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Actually did any of use really fall for the david carr Hype i know i never did. David had one awsome season in college thats it. for a how do we say a mediocre football program. four years in to the david carr expiriment he still has funny mechanics very poor leadership on the field and the funniest side arm throw in the business. now im all for resigning him but first we dont give him the 8 million or even 5.5 and let him hit free agency and sign him for the league mininum wich should be enough for his talent. and we draft a QB it worked wonders for drew brees.
 
infantrycak said:
Nothing like flying by the seat of your pants impressions for making hiring and firing decisions.

Mr. Inaccurate aka David Carr--passes from 21-30 yds 44% completions
Peyton the Six Billion Dollar MVP perfect Manning--passes from 21-30 yds 43.8% completions.
Tom Mr. Superbowl Brady--passes from 21-30 yds 29.5% completions



Give or take 100% accuracy, you might scinch by.
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Rings? Wins? Hey, you want comparisions to them? Using David Carr and Tom or Peyton in the same sentance in comparision is just plain dumb. Funny thing is, I will give you that there is probably figures out there where David is beating both of them in 5-10 stats.. Heck, a few sack figures really come to mind. Heck, WE NEED TO KEEP CARR... HE has a stat he is beating Payton and Tom at. Lets not change ANYTHING. HE is winning in one stat... Man I feel better... Whoo Hooo... Why are we even talking here... Carr can do it..

One stat does not make a man. His play makes him. Quit making comparisions to Carr when his overall preformance ALL year cant even touch 1/4 of those you speak of.

Cak, maybe I misjudged you, but I think you need to revise your statement. The one you presented here is just just... amazing (mind you, its not a compliment, more of a concern).
 
infantrycak said:
Nothing like flying by the seat of your pants impressions for making hiring and firing decisions.

Mr. Inaccurate aka David Carr--passes from 21-30 yds 44% completions
Peyton the Six Billion Dollar MVP perfect Manning--passes from 21-30 yds 43.8% completions.
Tom Mr. Superbowl Brady--passes from 21-30 yds 29.5% completions



Give or take 100% accuracy, you might scinch by.
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Infantrycak it is amazing that Carr does as well as he does given the state of coaching and the O-line on this team. I was watching the Monday night game with Dallas and Bledsole. A comment was made about how Bledsole was doing under the tuitorage of Parcells because he understands protection refering to QB protection. Buffalo couldn't wait to get rid of Bledsole and Bledsole might wind up in the SB. It goes to show what coaching means and building confidenance in your QB means. Again, I have never been a Parcells fan, but he is a very good coach who usually finds ways to field a winning ball club. The Texans have one very big problem and it is coaching. To talk about this player or that player makes no sense at all, because they have all been stupified by this coaching staff. They have even made a mess of AJ. This ball club has a lot of untaped talent that is going to waste. Carr is a lot better than a lot of people think, but I will grant you he is no Payton Manning. But then again, how many QB's come along in the mold of Payton Manning?
 
markbeth said:
so when carr dumps the ball off and the rb gains 7 or 8 yards is that a bad or good pass?
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Thats a good question btw.. If you are third and 15, and David Carr dumps it to the RB for 7 or 8 yards, is that a good pass or a bad one?

I got another for ya

If Carr throws a long pass to Bradford, when Andre is 2 steps from a reciever passing over the middle over the first down line, and you are 4th and need to make a play since there is only 1 minute in the game, Is that a bad pass or good pass? (BTW- for the record, Carr had thrown a good pass to Bradford, but Bradford dropped it)
 
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