David Carr's on the right track...

[TwinSisters]

One last post I guess...

I don't look for agreement. Most who have read me over the years fully understand that I enjoy diverse opinion. In 5 or so years posting here I have just learned to just bail on some threads and should just keep my opinion to myself at times. I get frustrated and it just comes out badly. Nobody can make me look like a fool except for me...and I'm trying to stop hammering myself.

Vinny. My man. This is a classic case of posting while under duress. 67 hours is too much ( unless you are coaching ). Take a nap and then come back. It's alright. Besides that: When you see ad hominem that means you have made your point. It's been that way with men since Socrates ( and he wasn't all that manly ).

 

[TwinSisters]

have we decided if he's on the right track yet?

I'd say the conclusion is, "No. We don't."

The Department of Carr Defense rests on: we shall see. The Kryptonite is gone.

The Legion of Carr Loss Prevention persists with: we already saw and don't need to see again. The Kryptonite is still here and keeping a Superman from showing up to save the world.

 

[chuckm]

I'd say the conclusion is, "No. We don't."

The Department of Carr Defense rests on: we shall see. The Kryptonite is gone.

The Legion of Carr Loss Prevention persists with: we already saw and don't need to see again. The Kryptonite is still here and keeping a Superman from showing up to save the world.

I understood the first sentence ....... after that ....... lemme ask my wife

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I'd say the conclusion is, "No. We don't."

The Department of Carr Defense rests on: we shall see. The Kryptonite is gone.

The Legion of Carr Loss Prevention persists with: we already saw and don't need to see again. The Kryptonite is still here and keeping a Superman from showing up to save the world.

I am holding on for a hero. I will not take these stretchy pants off until Carr throws for more than 201 yards, 2TDs in a Texan win.

 

[texan279]

I am holding on for a hero. I will not take these stretchy pants off until Carr throws for more than 201 yards, 2TDs in a Texan win.

If I didn't have to spread reputation around, you'd have about 500 points from me by now lmao.

 

[chuckm]

If I didn't have to spread reputation around, you'd have about 500 points from me by now lmao.

I thought about giving him some rep points but my wife said no .... sorry KT

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I thought about giving him some rep points but my wife said no .... sorry KT

Well if keeping it real is wrong then I do not want to be right.

 

[chuckm]

Well if keeping it real is wrong then I do not want to be right.

so yes or no KT ....... tequila?

 

[texan279]

I thought about giving him some rep points but my wife said no .... sorry KT

NO POINTS FOR YOU!

 

[Kaiser Toro]

so yes or no KT ....... tequila?

The last time I was propositioned with a yes or no it was in a small village out side of Toledo, Spain, in 1990, and I was at a huge club. The DJ said something about American basketball players and the euro beat came in with the words Esta si, Esta no. The next evening I played against Arvydas Sabonis when he was with Forum Vallodolid. Later that evening I smoked a cigar and did shots of tequila with a guy from the other team who was from Texas. While all of this was going on our opponents the next day were stealing everything in site, man those Ukrainians were crazy, but that is a whole nuther stream of conciousness rant.

Have not done a shot of tequila since 1994.

 

[chuckm]

The last time I was propositioned with a yes or no it was in a small village out side of Toledo, Spain, in 1990, and I was at a huge club. The DJ said something about American basketball players and the euro beat came in with the words Esta si, Esta no. The next evening I played against Arvydas Sabonis when he was with Forum Vallodolid. Later that evening I smoked a cigar and did shots of tequila with a guy from the other team who was from Texas. While all of this was going on our opponents the next day were stealing everything in site, man those Ukrainians were crazy, but that is a whole nuther stream of conciousness rant.

Have not done a shot of tequila since 1994.

I've never been to Spain but I had a guy yell at me from his car today in Spanish .... or yell at me in Spanish from his car today ..... whichever

 

[texan279]

The last time I was propositioned with a yes or no it was in a small village out side of Toledo, Spain, in 1990, and I was at a huge club. The DJ said something about American basketball players and the euro beat came in with the words Esta si, Esta no. The next evening I played against Arvydas Sabonis when he was with Forum Vallodolid. Later that evening I smoked a cigar and did shots of tequila with a guy from the other team who was from Texas. While all of this was going on our opponents the next day were stealing everything in site, man those Ukrainians were crazy, but that is a whole nuther stream of conciousness rant.

Have not done a shot of tequila since 1994.

As soon as I started reading your post, I read it in my head in the voice of J Peterman from Seinfeld. And the last time I had tequila, it was mescal straght from Mexico, with the worm in it, and after 4 shots I started seeing colors, literally.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I've never been to Spain but I had a guy yell at me from his car today in Spanish ....

Happens to me all the time. Usually screaming something about having fun at a beach.

 

[chuckm]

Happens to me all the time. Usually screaming something about having fun at a beach.

ok enough of this foolishness ...... David Carr .... thoughts???

 

[Kaiser Toro]

ok enough of this foolishness ...... David Carr .... thoughts???

I really want him to best every stat that he has posted and see the Texans have their best season in the same year. It would really show me that all this meant something as the success of the Texans has been tied at the hip with Carr's progression and for good reason. I can dream or I can talk about my stretchy pants. This thread is poiiiiiison. Poison! Poison!

 

[chuckm]

I really want him to best every stat that he has posted and see the Texans have their best season in the same year. It would really show me that all this meant something as the success of the Texans has been tied at the hip with Carr's progression and for good reason. I can dream or I can talk about my stretchy pants. This thread is poiiiiiison. Poison! Poison!

If Carr can't make it with Kubiak and an improved offensive line, adios Davido ..... if he flourishes, we all win .......

 

[texan279]

ok enough of this foolishness ...... David Carr .... thoughts???

Getting back on track, I know I am one of the biggest Carr homers here. But I support all of the players on our team, due to the lack of coaching, horrible play calling, and the coaches having players play out of position in the past. The only reason it seems I speak out in support of Carr so much is because out of all of the players, he seems to get the most criticism on here, whether it be because he plays QB or because of his salary or whatever. IMO I will give Carr one and a half seasons, MAYBE two full seasons to see if he can become a good, consistent QB who can lead the offense. If he cannot do that within at least 2 season, then I will join everyone else who wants to run him out of town with torches and pitchforks. The only reason I say 1 1/2 to 2 seasons is because of the new coaching staff, new additions to the team, and new schemes, we are basically starting from a clean slate here. I will give everyone on the team who has underperformed or not played to expectations time to see what they can do on the field.

 

[chuckm]

The last time I was propositioned with a yes or no it was in a small village out side of Toledo, Spain, in 1990, and I was at a huge club. The DJ said something about American basketball players and the euro beat came in with the words Esta si, Esta no. The next evening I played against Arvydas Sabonis when he was with Forum Vallodolid. Later that evening I smoked a cigar and did shots of tequila with a guy from the other team who was from Texas. While all of this was going on our opponents the next day were stealing everything in site, man those Ukrainians were crazy, but that is a whole nuther stream of conciousness rant.

Have not done a shot of tequila since 1994.

I spent 2 weeks in Brazil though ......... the beer sure is strong down there .... and they drive like madmen

 

[GP]

So you agree David Carr needs to play better??

end of story................. 'nuff said.

I've never said he was a QB God...you just assume that anyone who takes up Carr's defense is a 100% homer for the guy. I've stated repeatedly that "It's a no-brainer that he didn't play well. NONE of our guys played well. So that statement doesn't really prove anything. Nobody played well."

The QB spot in the NFL is the most tricky position to fill. And I just don't see anybody out there that could do the job for us, for the same (or less) money as we gave Carr. Why is it that we cannot seem to grasp the idea that some players are not performing because they never had the talent to begin with, OR because they have the talent and have had it squandered by a head coach (Capers) who isn't even allowed to call his own defense in Miami? If that's not the epitome of "guy can't call a game," I don't know what is.

Your point is not really a point at all. "He hasn't played well, and he should be way ahead for what we paid him. Etc. Etc."

I fail to see the grand "point" to your first post. "Duh," he didn't play well. And Double "Duh" he hasn't earned the money we paid him. There's not anything about your "point" that makes me say, "Wow, now THERE is a guy who knows something most people don't."

We HAD to pay him the $8 mill or he legally WALKS, and that was something that all the scouts, the new head coach, the owner, and the hired consultant agreed should NOT happen. Apparently, your guy Vince Young wasn't worth it to the decision makers who decided that Carr can go ahead and get paid his $8 mill and everything should be just fine.

At least Kaiser Toro is man enough to back off the hardcore anti-Carr stance and just let it die, hoping that the guy erases bad performance and brings us into a better season. And I know you say that you "support him" when I asked that question, but maybe it's time to realize that we paid Carr the $8 mill in the same fashion as some stock holders might re-capitalize a business because something in the marketplace has happened that warrants a re-investment so that the once-floundering company can sieze the opportunity and push home the winning run.

Call the Carr option just that: Re-capitalization.

 

[TwinSisters]

Call the Carr option just that: Re-capitalization.

Good point.

So are you saying Carr is the Edsel of the NFL? Capital placed in potential, while the Tucker car gets drafted by the Japanese enemy and then takes over the industry 4 years later because the experts and men in charge are all still banking on the potential?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel

Nobody to this day knows why the Edsel failed.

the Edsel was "the wrong [Carr] at the wrong time."
"The aim was right, but the target moved"

Sounds like Carr to me too. Dave E-Carr. The Experimental Carr. The Houston Edsel. Now all we need is Billy Joel to sing a song about him.

http://www.edsel.com/pages/edslfilm.htm

Used Cars. Very funny.

Or
Are you saying Carr is the 30,000,000 dollar Volkswagen Beetle? The Super Beetle that is really reliable, but needs special conditions to work? Those cars work great in California, where it's 73 and Sunny all year long, but break down in the Texas heat.

If all we needed was a Banksmobile that is just good enough and can be counted on for taking a beating in our salad days, then why pay an extra 20 million for it.

Or
If you are lost and cannot understand. David Carr was drafted with a strong and accurate arm for the long ball. Chris Palmer works under a vertical doctrine. He was a QB coach under Bill Parcells. He is now the QB coach for the Dallas Cowboys. The same Cowboys that were in just as bad shape as the Texans in 2002.

Yet some how he had bad coaching. This coaching that is going to be fixed with another former QB coach? It's not like Bledsoe turned out to be a chump. He can and has lit it up for 4000 yards a season.

Re-capitalization indeed.

 

[Lucky]

Chris Palmer works under a vertical doctrine. He was a QB coach under Bill Parcells. He is now the QB coach for the Dallas Cowboys. The same Cowboys that were in just as bad shape as the Texans in 2002.

Cut Palmer some slack, he just got started in Dallas. I'm certain he can drag down the Cowgirls offense by mid-season.

 

[TwinSisters]

Cut Palmer some slack, he just got started in Dallas. I'm certain he can drag down the Cowgirls offense by mid-season.

Their offense is fine. The defenses in the east have gotten better, while their own is a problem. Their own o-line and secondary keeps falling apart. Not like I watch very many Dallas games though... so maybe, maybe not.

I did pay a little bit more attention to Joe Gibbs over the past two seasons. Mostly because of the Casserly Pardee links. Supposedly Gibbs was some kinda "organizational genius", yet when I saw/watched them... crap would break down due to poor organization! ( the new era Gibbs that is ) Stuff like delay of game and time outs due to them not knowing what the hell was going on, things like that. They should have that ironed out by now.

I will pass this little note on from the subject:

On having the talent evaluating being on the same side with coaching:
"When we came in, [Redskins owner] Dan [Snyder] was very specific about it that he's the boss. We all know that. But what we do here is a team, with everybody together. When it comes to personnel department, you've got [VP, Football Operations] Vinny [Cerrato] heading that up, but when we meet, it's all the coaches in there. We all put numbers on our draft choices, we all put one Redskin grade on all free agents, and I think around here, it's certainly not me making decisions, it's all of us together. We really pride ourselves here on the way we go about the draft, the way we go about free agency, and the way we go about making decisions. [Redskins owner] Dan [Snyder]'s always there, always run things buy him and get his wisdom, so I think it's a total group here. Before, we had [former general manager] Charley [Casserly]. I think we had a great relationship. [Former general manager] Bobby [Beathard] was the same. I think today we do many of the similar type things, it's just that we all move together and we all put one grade on it, one stamp on it. Collective minds make good decisions and I think that's what we try to do."

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=14394

Gibbs had to adjust to that... so we will see how it works out. It's season three, so we can look at certain things with a little more clarity.

 

[bayoudreamn]

I thought you were drawing a parallel between David Carr and threads like this, and what would happen if Vince were to bust, and his fans would critisize him, like the fans are critisizing Carr right now.....

So I was asking the questions for you to clarify....

So your remark had nothing to do with Carr, where did the Vince hanging out on message boards, and getting hate mail on message boards coming from??

Are you David Carr, and are you getting hate mail off this message board??

just asking for clarification........

In case you are in fact David Carr....... love your game man....... I'm your biggest fan........ can you sign my T-shirt??

LOL

 

[GP]

Good point.

So are you saying Carr is the Edsel of the NFL? Capital placed in potential, while the Tucker car gets drafted by the Japanese enemy and then takes over the industry 4 years later because the experts and men in charge are all still banking on the potential?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel

Nobody to this day knows why the Edsel failed.

the Edsel was "the wrong [Carr] at the wrong time."
"The aim was right, but the target moved"

Sounds like Carr to me too. Dave E-Carr. The Experimental Carr. The Houston Edsel. Now all we need is Billy Joel to sing a song about him.

http://www.edsel.com/pages/edslfilm.htm

Used Cars. Very funny.

Or
Are you saying Carr is the 30,000,000 dollar Volkswagen Beetle? The Super Beetle that is really reliable, but needs special conditions to work? Those cars work great in California, where it's 73 and Sunny all year long, but break down in the Texas heat.

If all we needed was a Banksmobile that is just good enough and can be counted on for taking a beating in our salad days, then why pay an extra 20 million for it.

Or
If you are lost and cannot understand. David Carr was drafted with a strong and accurate arm for the long ball. Chris Palmer works under a vertical doctrine. He was a QB coach under Bill Parcells. He is now the QB coach for the Dallas Cowboys. The same Cowboys that were in just as bad shape as the Texans in 2002.

Yet some how he had bad coaching. This coaching that is going to be fixed with another former QB coach? It's not like Bledsoe turned out to be a chump. He can and has lit it up for 4000 yards a season.

Re-capitalization indeed.

Congratulations, you just cracked the Carrvinci code.

Seriously, though: I think we're in a lot better shape with Kubiak as our head coach than we were with Capers as the HC and Palmer as the QB coach.

Once more: I'd like to believe and trust that our owner became a tycoon because he has the ability to make correct decisions MORE than he does wrong decisions. Was Capers getting the nod as HC the right decision? At the time, it was the best or perhaps the only option. I'd like to think that Kubiak wasn't ready at the time, and that Capers helped build a foundation of character for a guy like Kubiak to come in and take us all the way to the next level. That'd be worth four years of Carr "not playing well."

Vince Young was not the option any of the Texans decision makers wanted to make. And neither was Reggie Bush.

Perhaps we're finally entering a stage of Texans history where we actually look like a real NFL team, and not a United Way flag football team.

Hooray Responsibility!

 

[DenverBorn]

As I've said elsewhere, Carr is not the guy to take the team to the next level. He doesn/'t have any sense of urgency about winning. He just wants to play well enough to not embarass himself and to collect his money. With no competition for his job and all his money in the bank, we're just wasting our time here. Damn I wish we had Number 10 waiting on the sidelines just waiting to get into the game. It's not about throwing motion or offensive schemes, it's about heart and intensity and desire.

 

[TwinSisters]

Vince Young was not the option any of the Texans decision makers wanted to make. And neither was Reggie Bush.

Vincent Young was NOT going to be drafted by the Houston Texans. And yes Mr.Thunderkyss, I know you disagree. I disagree with you too It's alright and not wrong to disagree.

If Vincent wanted to play for the Texans, he would have known. But we all know Vincent isn't exactly what we call a brain trust. He played for UT and could have called up Bob any day of the week. Bob would take the call. Why is that? Because business is just about the people you know, as the decisions you make ( if not greater ).

Feel like I am pulling your leg? Or talking crazy? Or perhaps just spinning the grass and chewing the cud?

Da Vinci Code: I can go with that. Let's look at some art and see if we can see something. A message, a reason, a thousand words perhaps.

http://www.sc.edu/spotlight/item.php?catid=3&sid=35

Go ahead and click on it. I know by the language that you use, that it's your flavour of art. Not saying that there is anything wrong with that either.

BA in Pyschology. Creates Scholarships in Carolina. Amongst other items.

Now... I am a hack at critiquing art. In fact I was kicked out on my butt from a museum in France because I couldn't stop laughing at these guys walking around with 6 foot dunce caps on their operative equipment. They called me a Le barbarian or something like that. I called them ********* and went about my way. But I learned something. Not from them, but from the experience. I learned that art is just as much about the things you see, as you don't see.

For instance in our little spotlight piece, you don't see MBA and you don't see creating scholarship funds in Texas. Amongst other items.

I don't know about you, but I think the artist likes Carolina. I think the artist makes a bold statement by picking a Carolina man number one overall when a nation has him at number two. You could call it, "Robert McNair is investing in Carolina."

 

[thunderkyss]

If he cannot do that within at least 2 season, then I will join everyone else who wants to run him out of town with torches and pitchforks.

See........ not everyone who criticizes Carr wants him run out of town....

I admit...... there was a time, when letting Carr go would have cost us nothing, and their was another prospect..... with just as much upside as David, waiting for us....... QB prospects the like of Carr & VY don't come around that often...... & I don't put Lienart in that Category.... so you've got to grab them when you can.

That point is past now, and we've got Carr, or Rosenfells.... I don't think there is a free agent out there, who will give us as good a chance to win as Carr... people don't usually let good QBs go......

So........ my problem, is that unlike you, I've seen sooooo many other players get bashed and torn down by our fans, but not Carr....... & I don't understand that.

I've never said he was a QB God...you just assume that anyone who takes up Carr's defense is a 100% homer for the guy. I've stated repeatedly that "It's a no-brainer that he didn't play well. NONE of our guys played well. So that statement doesn't really prove anything. Nobody played well."

& that's all I've said, and have been saying....... You just assume that everyone who criticizes Carr is a Carr hater, with no middle ground.

The people I was addressing with my first post, were those who believe David didn't have an opportunity to show what he is capable of..... I don't expect David to win games all by himself.... I don't blame our 2-14 season on him. & I don't think his stats tell the full story....

At the same time, I think there should be definite benefits to sticking with David, than going with a Ragone, Rosenfells, or even Tony Banks.... but as of now, there isn't. Other than the fact, that we know he can take a punch....... because right now, that is all we know.

For instance in our little spotlight piece, you don't see MBA and you don't see creating scholarship funds in Texas. Amongst other items.

I don't know about you, but I think the artist likes Carolina. I think the artist makes a bold statement by picking a Carolina man number one overall when a nation has him at number two. You could call it, "Robert McNair is investing in Carolina."

What???

 

[TwinSisters]

What???

yeah, you will not be able to take that out of context. The original line that we are working off of 'is what makes a business man make tick?' and looking at the pyschology of a pyschology major that is successful in business.

McNair has strong ties to Carolina. If you look at McNair compared to other business men, you see him fairly involved and is something that you would call a people person. Even when you look at his little write up on the HQ repository, he sits on like 10 different boards... hmmm I just looked at it again.

Somebody appears to have updated it recently. Interesting. I suppose that is a good idea with all the new faces.

I see a little discrepency there too. Houstontexans.com says

He graduated from the University of South Carolina in Columbia in 1958 with a Bachelor of Science degree.

leaving out the Psychology, while USC says Bachelor of Arts Psychology. eheh not exactly O'Leary bad, but still a bad example to set for business leader with 20 some odd awards. ( however I simply do not care at this point )
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Back to the Dave; The Houston Edsel Project

The people I was addressing with my first post, were those who believe David didn't have an opportunity to show what he is capable of..... I don't expect David to win games all by himself.... I don't blame our 2-14 season on him. & I don't think his stats tell the full story....

At the same time, I think there should be definite benefits to sticking with David, than going with a Ragone, Rosenfells, or even Tony Banks.... but as of now, there isn't. Other than the fact, that we know he can take a punch....... because right now, that is all we know.

I don't agree.

If you are going to play dink and dunk West Coast with an emphasis on the running scheme, then you don't need to spend the extra money on a Bledsoe with wheels from Bakers field ( Tom Hanks Castaway ). Banks cost something like a 1,000,000 a season. That extra 6,000,000 could get you Ty Law or several different linebackers, guards, backs, etc. You name it. Or just upgrading different players over the past 4 years. Even if you wanted to upgrade from Banks you could do it with Griese. Remember David Givens? If we had no Carr, we would have Givens at 5 years for 25 million. Instead of Moulds in his twilight years at 2 million. I think Griese would have worked with Givens and Johnson ( plus they are aged together ).

AJ still works fine in a West Coast type of offense ( for the money ).

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Although I should say, maybe Calhoun is going to figure out what was holding up the vertical movement that was stiffling Palmer/Capers. Then Carr is no longer that much of a bad deal. That won't change the fact that it was a failure in the past though.

 

[bigbrewster2000]

Although I should say, maybe Calhoun is going to figure out what was holding up the vertical movement that was stiffling Palmer/Capers. Then Carr is no longer that much of a bad deal. That won't change the fact that it was a failure in the past though.

I think we can all agree that our offensive project was a failure in the past. It did look pretty dang good in '04 though. Let's be glad that we have moved on.

 

[TwinSisters]

I think we can all agree that our offensive project was a failure in the past. It did look pretty dang good in '04 though. Let's be glad that we have moved on.

Yeah I just got started looking at Calhoun and trying to see what he is all about:

USAF/Falcons man: ++
Caught the attention of Gruden and Shanahan from Lundquist: +

I ran across one article that had him pegged as the next Texans Head Coach. Not sure what that is about??

Supposedly he was doing some really great things at Wake Forest.. creative different things, but naturally they didn't say what!: + or -

He gets some credit for the 4,000 yards that Plummer put out: ++

I have to caution though, that of all the articles I found right away, they were all fluff pieces that tend to over build, as oppossed to spotting weakness or negatives.

 

[nunusguy]

He's got a golf tournament and visiting 610 which is at the site of the tournament. He's is making some encourageing comments, among them:
Says when Spencer was in and went against Mario, sometimes it was a
"stalemate".
Talking about how Kubiak is getting rid of some of his "bad habits" that's he's
picked up in recent years.
Many players very optimistic, with a chip on their shoulders after last year.
Says AJ is looking better that ever, and is running the best routes ever in his career in practice as he along with others have really bought into the new system.
And Carr says OC Calhoun is a genius, Carr seems to have tremendous confidance in him just like he does Kubiak.

 

[texan279]

He's got a golf tournament and visiting 610 which is at the site of the tournament. He's is making some encourageing comments, among them:
Says when Spencer was in and went against Mario, sometimes it was a
"stalemate".
Talking about how Kubiak is getting rid of some of his "bad habits" that's he's
picked up in recent years.
Many players very optimistic, with a chip on their shoulders after last year.
Says AJ is looking better that ever, and is running the best routes ever in his career in practice as he along with others have really bought into the new system.
And Carr says OC Calhoun is a genius, Carr seems to have tremendous confidance in him just like he does Kubiak.

Thanks for sharing, not sure if I like the sound of this though, and before anyone jumps down my throat, yes I know it's just practice...

Says when Spencer was in and went against Mario, sometimes it was a
"stalemate".

 

[nunusguy]

Thanks for sharing, not sure if I like the sound of this though, and before anyone jumps down my throat, yes I know it's just practice...

I hear you, its maybe got a double edged-sword sort of thing going.
But Carr is really being candid. To report some more on his comments, he says
the worst beating he ever took (physically), was the game they actually won against
the Steelers up there several years ago when he says OLB Joey Porter hit him atleast 10 times. Apparently they are both from Bakersfield, CA and talk trash to each
other when they run into each other back in CA.
But he is clearly upbeat, and in his last remark says the best thing in his mind is the new O schemes. He is really shy-high and clearly it is sincere.

 

[texan279]

I hear you, its maybe got a double edged-sword sort of thing going.
But Carr is really being candid. To report some more on his comments, he says
the worst beating he ever took (physically), was the game they actually won against
the Steelers up there several years ago when he says OLB Joey Porter hit him atleast 10 times. Apparently they are both from Bakersfield, CA and talk trash to each
other when they run into each other back in CA.
But he is clearly upbeat, and in his last remark says the best thing in his mind is the new O schemes. He is really shy-high and clearly it is sincere.

Was that the snow game where we broke the record for most points scored with least offensive yards or something like that? I can imagine getting hit by Porter hurting, but if it was the snow game it probably felt 20 times worse in that freezing cold weather. I am just glad from everything I am hearing it seems Carr has his confidence back and has confidence in our new coaches.

 

[Lucky]

He's got a golf tournament and visiting 610 which is at the site of the tournament.

It's been discussed here as to which game David Carr called the plays in the 1st half, St. Louis or Arizona. Carr was asked about the play calling last season, and what games he called the plays in. He answered that he called the plays during the 1st half in both the Rams and Cardinals games.

 

[texan279]

It's been discussed here as to which game David Carr called the plays in the 1st half, St. Louis or Arizona. Carr was asked about the play calling last season, and what games he called the plays in. He answered that he called the plays during the 1st half in both the Rams and Cardinals games.

Just out of curiousity I went back and checked his stats for those two games...

Against the Rams he was 25/34 293 yards 3 TD's 1 INT
Against the Cards he was 22/30 150 yards 0 TD's and 1 INT

 

[GP]

It's been discussed here as to which game David Carr called the plays in the 1st half, St. Louis or Arizona. Carr was asked about the play calling last season, and what games he called the plays in. He answered that he called the plays during the 1st half in both the Rams and Cardinals games.

Can anyone send me a VHS tape of those two games?

I have DirecTV tivo (built-in recording) now, but last year I had just a VCR and was not particularly motivated to record a 2-14 season.

I'd love to get my hands on that tape of those two games and see the difference between the two halves of each game.

Send me a private message if you can spare a copy of it. If I need to send some $ for the purchase of a a vhs tape, I'll do that. And I will pay the shipping to get it to me.

 

[Double Barrel]

Cut Palmer some slack, he just got started in Dallas. I'm certain he can drag down the Cowgirls offense by mid-season.

Something to look forward to! *fingers crossed*

 

[the wonger need food]

It's been discussed here as to which game David Carr called the plays in the 1st half, St. Louis or Arizona. Carr was asked about the play calling last season, and what games he called the plays in. He answered that he called the plays during the 1st half in both the Rams and Cardinals games.

Lucky, you can't take the first half of the Arizona game away from the guy. It's one of his shining moments that show his fans how great he can be. Sure, he didn't throw for 100 yards and had more interceptions than TD's, but come'on. Sure, logic tells you that he called a run offtackle or hitch pass every play and Arizona didn't adjust until after halftime, but logic has no place when the failures of Davie Franchise are being discussed.

 

[nunusguy]

But Carr seemed sympathetic to the situation that Pendry had been thrown
into, though he kinda implied (in a beneign sort of way, Carr obviously is not at all mean or even sarcastic), that at some point in the second half of the season (after Palmer was canned and Pendry had been thrown in as OC),
that he (Pendry) just didn't have a clue as to what to do make the O work.
So in utter frustration, he just told Carr to call his own plays in a couple games, which of course turned out to be very effective. Dave didn't know why he wouldn't let him call the plays in the second halfs of those games ?
Carr also mentioned Joppru and said he was "stripped-down" (I think he used that term, meaning he'd lost a lot of weight) and was looking good.
I'm sure Dave wanted to mention as many people as possible on his offensive side of the ball.
Texan279 mentioned earlier in this thread that he might be a little concerned
that rookie Spencer battled Mario to a stalemate on some plays, according to
what I reported that Carr said. IMO, the thing to remember is that Reggie
White was battled to a stalemate on most plays. Even the great DLineman don't win most battles, usually the OLineman holds off the D guy.
In other words its not cause for concern. It wouldn't be like, by comparison, your rookie CB you got in the 3rd round consistantly tackling Reggie Bush one-on-one in the open field.

 

[powerfuldragon]

Says when Spencer was in and went against Mario, sometimes it was a
"stalemate".

I actually don't like the sound of that, it doesn't say much about Mario's skills.

 

[real]

Did they have pads on? Because without pads it doesn't really mean much...And what else is also interesting is that he even pointed that out...Was spencer the only OL to stalemate Mario, or Was he just pointing it out because he's a rookie ? Surely other lineman had success against him...

 

[Double Barrel]

I actually don't like the sound of that, it doesn't say much about Mario's skills.

Mario is probably not up to 100%, yet, considering his toes are still in the process of healing.

[/excuse]

I thought the same thing when I read that, too. But only time will tell, though, and only when we see him during an actual game.

 

[the wonger need food]

Texan279 mentioned earlier in this thread that he might be a little concerned that rookie Spencer battled Mario to a stalemate on some plays, according to what I reported that Carr said.

Sounds like more of a compliment to Spencer than a knock on Mario. And half-shell battles don't really count anyway.

I'm expecting to see Spencer as the LT when the season starts. Wand just doesn't seem to have the strength or mean streak to be a great one.

 

[SESupergenius]

I would have characterized Thunderkyss as a Carr hater a few months ago. He ranted and raved about dumping Carr and getting Young. But I have to hand it to him, when that didn't happen he is now supporting Carr to get the job done. You can respect his take on Carr back then because if you look at Carrs numbers just from a printed stat sheet, he's been a pretty average QB who gets paid Top QB money. But in that you have to look at all the other intagibles around him that this new management focus has guided into a new direction. Gone are all the excuses for Carr; Capers playcalling, Fangios Defense, Palmers ineptness, Casserlys eye for talent and free agent acquisitions, injuries, etc...

Our offseason has pretty much taken Care of almost every angle that Carr apologists make (I am one, it's not a bad word!). So this year is the YEAR of CARR because it's all on him to get this thing going. He has to throw at least 20 TD's this year and have more TD's than Int' for him to be successful in my book.

 

[Runner]

Did they have pads on? Because without pads it doesn't really mean much...And what else is also interesting is that he even pointed that out...Was spencer the only OL to stalemate Mario, or Was he just pointing it out because he's a rookie ? Surely other lineman had success against him...

I'm not reading anything negative to Williams into this comment, mainly because o-lineman "stalemate" the d-lineman on passing plays a lot. It is just the nature of the game that the few times the d-lineman gets the sack it makes the highlight reel. I'd guess in Strahan's record season of 22.5 sacks he got stoned more often than 22.5 times. I bet those weren't shown on ESPN either.

The comment does probably contain valid positive news about Spencer, given his relative inexperience and the fact he was singled out.

 

[infantrycak]

Lucky, you can't take the first half of the Arizona game away from the guy. It's one of his shining moments that show his fans how great he can be. Sure, he didn't throw for 100 yards and had more interceptions than TD's, but come'on. Sure, logic tells you that he called a run offtackle or hitch pass every play and Arizona didn't adjust until after halftime, but logic has no place when the failures of Davie Franchise are being discussed.

Nice--so is it all about winning, or is it more about how the individual played? You can't have it both ways and you have been dancing with a different partner a lot more than this one.

 

[infantrycak]

I'm not reading anything negative to Williams into this comment, mainly because o-lineman "stalemate" the d-lineman on passing plays a lot. It is just the nature of the game that the few times the d-lineman gets the sack it makes the highlight reel. I'd guess in Strahan's record season of 22.5 sacks he got stoned more often than 22.5 times. I bet those weren't shown on ESPN either.

The comment does probably contain valid positive news about Spencer, given his relative inexperience and the fact he was singled out.

Thank you. Spencer has zero potential if he is getting beat even by an exceptional rookie consistantly. Folks, a little perspective--a great, fantastic, extraordinary pass rusher in the NFL doesn't average 1 sack per game, i.e. 1 sack out of 65 or so plays. Spencer can stalemate Mario on 62 plays and lose out on 3 and have a bad day. Keep things in perspective.

 

[NATHANHALE]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/OT

NFL Draft Tracker rates only 5 OT out of 25 6.0 or above, a cumulative score based on several criterias, and the Texans drafted 2 of the 5-- Winston (6.2) and Spencer (6.0), with Ferguson the highest rated at 6.5.

IMO, being ranked in the top 5 of the 'best of the best', means neither Spencer or Winston is a 'cupcake' and both played at 'notable' football schools--Pittsburg and Miami-- so I would expect them both to give Mario a tough battle. All 3 should benefit in the long run from going against top notch competition in practice, a 'plus' that not all players get (like Carr, for example).

 

[real]

Thank you. Spencer has zero potential if he is getting beat even by an exceptional rookie consistantly. Folks, a little perspective--a great, fantastic, extraordinary pass rusher in the NFL doesn't average 1 sack per game, i.e. 1 sack out of 65 or so plays. Spencer can statelmate Mario on 62 plays and lose out on 3 and have a bad day. Keep things in perspective.

Thats my point...It's nothing spectacular about Spencer Stalemating with Mario...I was just wondering why D.C even brought that up...