hollywood_texan said:
If I was making the decisions in the draft last year, I would have taken Vince.
However, I can't argue with how they picked in the draft, brought in Kubiak and Sherman, and keeping Carr. I understand the approach and why, but that doesn't mean I think Carr will be an amazing quarterback.
I don't think Carr has the "IT" factor to put a team on his back but I do think he has the physical qualities though. I say that from 4 years of watching and listening to games and reading a lot articles and this board. Maybe I am wrong about putting the team on his back. I think we will shall see if he can do that this year.
I share a the same belief that we don't need an amazing quarterback to win the Super Bowl. Look at Tampa Bay and Baltimore. Even Tom Brady doesn't always look amazing, except for last year, the guy just made great decisions.
As long as we have a stout defense and a strong running game, Carr won't have to put the team on his back (I don't think he can but let's just leave it at that and see what happens this year).
Someone pointed out earlier that it is expensive to find another starting quarterback. True, if we got rid of Carr, we would have had to draft a QB or take Duante Culpepper, Joey Harrington, John Kitna, or someone else. Ouch. I think we are better off. It even gets more expensive when you are dumping a former #1 draft pick in a quarterback.
I have faith in Kubiak to get things rolling, but I am not sold on Carr's "IT" factor, which is due 4 years of really nothing to grade.
It seems to follow this:
1. Carr supporter - Carr has great physical abilities and marginal talent around him with poor coaching has lead to his ineffectiveness.
2. Carr a QB that can't cut it - Carr has the great physical abilities but just isn't going to get it done as an elite quarterback regardless of talent or coaching.
Vince Young is just as big of a risk as David Carr.
Because a guy was dominant in college doesn't equate to NFL success: The NFL draft is littered with top picks going bust, and it's also full of late round picks who become Hall of Famers.
VY will have a learning curve in the NFL of probably anywhere from 2-4 years...so let's slow down on the "VY is the answer" trip.
IMO, so much of the pro-VY crowd is a simple over-reaction to the "wow" factor of what he did last season, especially in the championship game. I won't pretend he didn't impress me...but I also won't say that beating up on a 32nd-ranked defense impresses me, either. This year's USC team was very vulnerable (Notre Dame and Fresno St. come to mind) as opposed to the previous two teams. But that's neither here nor there.
The real point is that you say you have faith in Kubiak to get things rolling, but yet you cannot, or will not, get on board with the idea that Carr (whom Kubiak RETAINED as QB) has the ability to be "it." I feel he has always had the "it" factor, but has had his talent and opportunities for success repressed by a coaching philosophy that ran completely contrary to our team's talents and abilities. We had explosive and dynamic players (Carr, Davis, Mathis, AJ) and they were forced to run plays that you and I can draw up in the dirt at a flag football game. Period.
The back pedal has begun for the Hate Carr crowd. You can't say that Kubiak can get things righted...and neglect that Carr will be a big part of that transformation. Oh, it'll be because we have better blocking, better receiving, better pass rush from our top draft pick, a 4-3 defense, etc. While those will happen and are all going to be true, it wasn't provided to Carr the first four years of HIS career...but yet he's just a dud who got by on looks or whatever it is that you think earned him an extension.
I'm all about cheering on our team's players. P-Buch is a guy whom I think was a bad acquisition, but yet the fan in me still cheers him on and hopes he succeeds. His success is our success, that's the way I look at it. Again: Why some of you have this personal vendetta is beyond me. Since we've played the race card a few times before...let me play the religion card. Is it because he's a Christian? The popular thing to do in America right now is to proudly bash the Christian community and get a few giggles out of it. I just can't figure out why, or on what basis, Carr can be the focus of so much anger and ridicule.
Did he "perform" to the best of his abilities? Nope. But can he? Yep.
In poker, the term is "pot committed..." meaning that you've put so much of your chips into the pot that you'd be wise to stay for the last betting round to see if you won the hand (instead of bailing and never knowing). You're committed to the pot, so stick around.
Bob McNair is committed to seeing if Carr can be the guy he and others think he can be. So stick around and watch how this hand plays out. I put my bet on Kubiak AND Carr.
Comparing Carr's game (after 60 largely unproductive starts) with Hall of Fame QB's would only be done on a Texans board.