David Carr: Amongst the worst in 40 years

[The Pencil Neck]

one good year? hardly.
He COULD have been successfull in this situation, he wasn't. The only thing David Carr has is a lot of L's

3500 yards, 16 touchdowns, more TD's than INT's, over 61% completion rate? I think that's a decent enough year. I'd like to see more touches than that. But that's not too bad.

And I think you know my position on the L's.

 

[swtbound07]

3500 yards, 16 touchdowns, more TD's than INT's, over 61% completion rate? I think that's a decent enough year. I'd like to see more touches than that. But that's not too bad.

And I think you know my position on the L's.

Stats are meaningless without wins.....if peyton manning throws for 5000 yards and 50 touchdowns but the colts go 0-16 he still had a terrible year. Numbers are numbers...

 

[infantrycak]

Stats are meaningless without wins.....if peyton manning throws for 5000 yards and 50 touchdowns but the colts go 0-16 he still had a terrible year. Numbers are numbers...

Wins and losses are just another stat so your argument contradicts itself.

 

[swtbound07]

Wins and losses are just another stat so your argument contradicts itself.

wins and losses aren't a stat for me cak.....they are the reason we get up in the morning!

 

[Texans Horror]

Carr is going to do fine this year. He won't be perfect, but with AJ, Moulds, and Petzier to throw to, a decent run game, and a new blocking scheme, he is going to look good. It's the defense I'm nervous about, just because I know so little of the defensive coordinator.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

Nothing is worse than having a first round pick not pan out.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Nothing is worse than having a first round pick not pan out.

Yea, that would suck if VY didn't pan out, huh?

 

[SESupergenius]

He's had a bad CAREER. Year would be overly generous.

C'mon, I just want to hear from you, "We should have kept Capers and Casserly and ditched Carr." C'mon, you know you want to.

 

[swtbound07]

C'mon, I just want to hear from you, "We should have kept Capers and Casserly and ditched Carr." C'mon, you know you want to.

Nope...I was a pink soap club member....Im glad we cleaned house, but we still have one more room left to go

 

[cincyTEXAN]

Stats are meaningless without wins.....if peyton manning throws for 5000 yards and 50 touchdowns but the colts go 0-16 he still had a terrible year. Numbers are numbers...

actually that would be manning having a great year and the colts having terrible year. we went down in flames as a team last year , not because of DC

 

[swtbound07]

actually that would be manning having a great year and the colts having terrible year. we went down in flames as a team last year , not because of DC

YES because of DC.

 

[SESupergenius]

Stats are meaningless without wins.....if peyton manning throws for 5000 yards and 50 touchdowns but the colts go 0-16 he still had a terrible year. Numbers are numbers...

Nope, in your context, they are stats, just a narrow minded stats. By your logic Trent Dilfer is a better QB because he has more Super Bowl wins that Dan Marino does. So much for numbers logic. There are no absolutes in your theory. There have been many instances in the NFL where a QB has been a bad fit with a team and had done better in a different situation (see Steve Young etc). I mean geez, just look at Elway, his numbers weren't great and nobody threw him a bone until he got some people around him. Ever think Michael Jordan could make it without his team? Certainly not. These are team games, it's not like backyard football where a QB can be tackled by the other teams QB. It's a team game, u really cant compare. And since you wanted Capers and Casserly to go as well, you are not making sense or backing up your argument that David Carr is the anti-winner for the Texans the last few seasons. Ben Roethlisberger just threw a whopping Roethlisberger 123 yards in the Super Bowl with no TD's and only complete 9 passes, but his stats include more Super Bowl Victories than Dan Marino and Payton Manning. Sorry, your statistical logic is greatly flawed, once again it isn't absolute.

 

[Wolf]

SES.. I remember the joke NOWAY with ELWAY

 

[Wolf]

Stats are meaningless without wins.....if peyton manning throws for 5000 yards and 50 touchdowns but the colts go 0-16 he still had a terrible year. Numbers are numbers...

my goodness. one could nitpick stats all day long.. if Carr throw for 4,839yards and had a completion rate of 64.5 % and with 46 TDs and only 9 interceptions.. and the TEAM goes 7-9 and misses the playoffs and that wouldn't be good enough for one player.?

what more would a player have to do? play defense? geesh.. a QB that threw that am't got that many TD's and that few INTS did everything humanly possible except walk on water.

BTW those stats are Carr's in College and yes I know that there is a big difference in college and NFL, but you don't get those stats by not having some kind of talent.
http://gobulldogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/070902aaa.html#TEAM.IND

well what does that say about DD.. what is our record when he goes over 100 yards? got to be bad also ..most teams when they have a RB going over the 100 yard plateau win

just stirring the pot a little because their is getting a film developing on surface

 

[edo783]

Based on SWTs logic, if Carr threw 50 INTs and only 2 TDs, but we won all our games that would be a good year at QB.

 

[swtbound07]

Based on SWTs logic, if Carr threw 50 INTs and only 2 TDs, but we won all our games that would be a good year at QB.

yes. wouldnt you take winning all of our games and care less how we got there?

 

[TwinSisters]

esh... this thing got too long while I was looking at other stuff!!

I will have to get back to this one... tomorrow. ( or next season eheh )

Just kidding... alright where are we now??

 

[Wolf]

Based on SWTs logic, if Carr threw 50 INTs and only 2 TDs, but we won all our games that would be a good year at QB.

true .. I am waiting from a response on mine too

 

[swtbound07]

my goodness. one could nitpick stats all day long.. if Carr throw for 4,839yards and had a completion rate of 64.5 % and with 46 TDs and only 9 interceptions.. and the TEAM goes 7-9 and misses the playoffs and that wouldn't be good enough for one player.?

what more would a player have to do? play defense? geesh.. a QB that threw that am't got that many TD's and that few INTS did everything humanly possible except walk on water.

BTW those stats are Carr's in College and yes I know that there is a big difference in college and NFL, but you don't get those stats by not having some kind of talent.
http://gobulldogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/070902aaa.html#TEAM.IND

well what does that say about DD.. what is our record when he goes over 100 yards? got to be bad also ..most teams when they have a RB going over the 100 yard plateau win

just stirring the pot a little because their is getting a film developing on
surface

Our record when DD goes over 100 yards is 4-2. College stats are completely irrelevant. He has no kind of talent. Timmy Chang lit up the NCAA. The point is that the qb in your above example didnt do enough to make his team WIN. By any means necessary, your quarterback is supposed to be the leader. He needs to find a way to win...if he throws for 5000 yards and goes 0-16 he is still a BAD QB.

 

[TK_Gamer]

yes. wouldnt you take winning all of our games and care less how we got there?

so you dont like losing, who does? and you want to blame someone, and a QB is a convenient target. but your comments contridict themselves and quite honestly you make yourself look uncredible and less than genuine. IMHO

but maybe its one of those childhood things where any attention even negative attention is desirable over no attention. who knows. good luck with that though.

 

[swtbound07]

so you dont like losing, who does? and you want to blame someone, and a QB is a convenient target. but your comments contridict themselves and quite honestly you make yourself look uncredible and less than genuine. IMHO

but maybe its one of those childhood things where any attention even negative attention is desirable over no attention. who knows. good luck with that though.

I've been on target for quite some time now...Im not contradicting myself. I want a qb who can lead his team to victory. Carr can't....or doesn't, if you prefer. Ask anybody on this board about my credibility

 

[TexansLucky13]

Ask anybody on this board about my credibility

Mr. SWTBound may have some wacky opinions, but he is always able to back them up in such a way that his case is viable.

If you are gunna get into a grudge match with this guy, you better pack a lunch. I have lost hours of my life debating with him. Make sure you can put your money where your mouth is!

Anyways...

P.S. - SWT I dig the new avatar, dude.

 

[swtbound07]

Mr. SWTBound may have some wacky opinions, but he is always able to back them up in such a way that his case is viable.

If you are gunna get into a grudge match with this guy, you better pack a lunch. I have lost hours of my life debating with him. Make sure you can put your money where your mouth is!

Anyways...

P.S. - SWT I dig the new avatar, dude.

Thanks...the idea occured to me as i was doing photoshop work for a client.

 

[TK_Gamer]

I've been on target for quite some time now...Im not contradicting myself. I want a qb who can lead his team to victory. Carr can't....or doesn't, if you prefer. Ask anybody on this board about my credibility

at the very least you attribute sucess of the team directly to the QB, this is crazy. you are saying (and i can quote you if you want) if the qb does bad but the team wins the qb lead the team to victory? what sense does that make? and if PM throws for 5000 yds and the team goes 0-16 then hes a bad QB? so coaching, defense, special teams, oline , depth, general ability level of the team, none of these factors control the outcome of a game only the qb matters and his "leadership"? i'm not trying to argue , im just not seeing the logic in your arguments.

 

[swtbound07]

at the very least you attribute sucess of the team directly to the QB, this is crazy. you are saying (and i can quote you if you want) if the qb does bad but the team wins the qb lead the team to victory? what sense does that make? and if PM throws for 5000 yds and the team goes 0-16 then hes a bad QB? so coaching, defense, special teams, oline , depth, general ability level of the team, none of these factors control the outcome of a game only the qb matters and his "leadership"? i'm not trying to argue , im just not seeing the logic in your arguments.

Yes, I attribute the success or failure of a team to its quarterback. Its a weighty responsibility I agree, but thats why they get paid the big bucks. A quarterback touches the ball every play on offense. He makes decisions every time the ball is snapped. Some quarterbacks win games all by themselves. I know that sounds silly to you, but i've seen qb's time and time again take a team onto their shoulders and carry them. Michael Vick does it. Vince Young did it. Byron Leftwich does it. Tom Brady does it. David Carr never has. He isn't a leader. What do his stats matter if he can't get his team a W in the W column? Starting pitchers in baseball carry their win-loss records next to them, and they play a team sport. What about in the American League, where they don't even get to bat for themselves? No one player effects the W-L record of the Texans more than David Carr. Nobody.

Here is my main point. Maybe the texans failures in the past were due to other factors. Okay fine...we cleaned house. The defense is completely revamped...new d-line, new linebackers, the o-line had a complete makeover, the recieving corp was renovated, the tight ends refurbished, the coaching staff reassembled, and even the front office shaken up. But the only thing that didn't get discarded was Carr. Why not finish the housecleaning? Then nobody that could have been responsible for the Texan's atrocities would be on the roster...then we could truely begin to rebuild our franchise.

 

[TK_Gamer]

Yes, I attribute the success or failure of a team to its quarterback. Its a weighty responsibility I agree, but thats why they get paid the big bucks. A quarterback touches the ball every play on offense. He makes decisions every time the ball is snapped. Some quarterbacks win games all by themselves. I know that sounds silly to you, but i've seen qb's time and time again take a team onto their shoulders and carry them. Michael Vick does it. Vince Young did it. Byron Leftwich does it. Tom Brady does it. David Carr never has. He isn't a leader. What do his stats matter if he can't get his team a W in the W column? Starting pitchers in baseball carry their win-loss records next to them, and they play a team sport. What about in the American League, where they don't even get to bat for themselves? No one player effects the W-L record of the Texans more than David Carr. Nobody.

Here is my main point. Maybe the texans failures in the past were due to other factors. Okay fine...we cleaned house. The defense is completely revamped...new d-line, new linebackers, the o-line had a complete makeover, the recieving corp was renovated, the tight ends refurbished, the coaching staff reassembled, and even the front office shaken up. But the only thing that didn't get discarded was Carr. Why not finish the housecleaning? Then nobody that could have been responsible for the Texan's atrocities would be on the roster...then we could truely begin to rebuild our franchise.

and this may yet happen, id like to see what happens first though. chances are if david cant improve this year we will have a new one next year regardless of the cap hit

 

[swtbound07]

and this may yet happen, id like to see what happens first though. chances are if david cant improve this year we will have a new one next year regardless of the cap hit

But it begs the question..why did Carr get the lucky lottery ticket and everyone else get the axe?

 

[TK_Gamer]

But it begs the question..why did Carr get the lucky lottery ticket and everyone else get the axe?

I truly believe Carr is an anomaly, only because he is so talentented physically. thats why other coaches still speak positively, and writers, even players say he has an arm like noone they have seen, and he can throw accurately out of the pocket. and he's never had horrible int numbers. so most of these people (and myself) dont wanna give up on all that is possible. that said, as most of those same people have said, this will prolly be Carr's last chance. I hope he does well

 

[tsip]

But it begs the question..why did Carr get the lucky lottery ticket and everyone else get the axe?

Let me begin by saying I'm with you on most of your post and have not been a Carr supporter, but I'm willing to give him this year. Period. Why? The past 4 years were the biggest joke in NFL history, and the fans were sold a 'bill of goods' with the famous 5 yr plan. Capers did not have a clue as a HC--saying that,though, I don't know whose idea it was to build this franchise without accountability from the top down. Too, the franchise was built with virtually no communication with the fans, as we were never included in anything and we are only now hearing tid bits of Caper's Regime.

Now, however, I see some things I like, starting with Kubiak. Today,right now, we know more about our offense and defense than we did in the 4 yrs Capers was here--problems we've discussed and debated on this board have been addressed (maybe not all yet)--weak coaches have been replaced by 'teaching' coaches that emphasize accountability--and, best of all IMO, we have new philosophies in place including (1) coaching/playing to win (2) best players play (3) honest communication with the fans/media, etc. Two things about Capers I will not miss are his 'coaching not to lose style' and his trademark post game favorite word==EXECUTE.

Ok, Carr and this year. 2006 has begun with Carr getting a re-introduction to the 'real world' of the NFL, no more free ride and the slate is clean. But, saying that, I believe Kubiak has given Carr a healthy dose of 'sooner than later.' Kubiak used a technique with Carr that I used with mgrs that weren't getting the job done--set down with them, pad and pen in hand, looked them in the eye and ask them to tell me everything they needed to get their job done--everything. The list was usually small and workable and they knew this was 'it'--excuses were taken away, time to get desired results. I honestly believe-more than ever-Carr knows what is expected of him and knows that every effort is/has been made to give him the tools to get the job done.

I don't think it will take long to tell if Carr has 'turned the corner.' In the past-for whatever reason-he has struggled with basics, including-focusing on one receiver,slow release,poor pocket management,poor defense reading,etc. Now, Carr will have the time and tools to correct these problems--can he do it? I'm for giving him this year and hope for the best...

 

[edo783]

yes. wouldnt you take winning all of our games and care less how we got there?

Ya missed my point I think. It would be a great year for the TEAM, but a very bad year for the QB. The same thing would be true if Carr through 50 TDs and only 2 Ints and we lost all the games. A very good QB year, but a horrible team year. It's a team sport and they all have to do well to actually win. Actually none of the senarios above can/would happen because it is such a team sport and they all support each other by their play and by doing that wind up winning. Not as individujals who are accumulating stats. If stats were the be all end all for a QB, Manning would have won 4 or 5 Super Bowls by now.

 

[texan279]

Our record when DD goes over 100 yards is 4-2. College stats are completely irrelevant. He has no kind of talent. Timmy Chang lit up the NCAA. The point is that the qb in your above example didnt do enough to make his team WIN. By any means necessary, your quarterback is supposed to be the leader. He needs to find a way to win...if he throws for 5000 yards and goes 0-16 he is still a BAD QB.

Based on this logic I guess Barry Sanders was a bad RB or if Carr threw for 3000 yards 2 TD's and 40 INT's and we went 16-0 then he would be considered a good QB...

 

[HOU-TEX]

Yes, I attribute the success or failure of a team to its quarterback. Its a weighty responsibility I agree, but thats why they get paid the big bucks. A quarterback touches the ball every play on offense. He makes decisions every time the ball is snapped. Some quarterbacks win games all by themselves. I know that sounds silly to you, but i've seen qb's time and time again take a team onto their shoulders and carry them. Michael Vick does it. Vince Young did it. Byron Leftwich does it. Tom Brady does it. David Carr never has. He isn't a leader. What do his stats matter if he can't get his team a W in the W column? Starting pitchers in baseball carry their win-loss records next to them, and they play a team sport. What about in the American League, where they don't even get to bat for themselves? No one player effects the W-L record of the Texans more than David Carr. Nobody.

Here is my main point. Maybe the texans failures in the past were due to other factors. Okay fine...we cleaned house. The defense is completely revamped...new d-line, new linebackers, the o-line had a complete makeover, the recieving corp was renovated, the tight ends refurbished, the coaching staff reassembled, and even the front office shaken up. But the only thing that didn't get discarded was Carr. Why not finish the housecleaning? Then nobody that could have been responsible for the Texan's atrocities would be on the roster...then we could truely begin to rebuild our franchise.

I beleive all these QBs play for a team that have good to great Defenses and O-lines. So if Wand missed a block and Carr was blind sided which induced a fumble to which the other team recovered and ran it in for the winning TD, it's DCs fault? Do you or did you play football? If you did, I feel sorry for the team you played/play for. If you haven't played before then it's obvious why you'd post such off the wall theories.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

In two days Carr has the ability to turn it all around. Every one starts anew on Thursday.

 

[SESupergenius]

. A quarterback touches the ball every play on offense. He makes decisions every time the ball is snapped. Some quarterbacks win games all by themselves.

Booo. Of course the QB takes the ball every snap, but he doesn't direct every play, he hands it off 50% of the time.

 

[jerek]

But it begs the question..why did Carr get the lucky lottery ticket and everyone else get the axe?

It does beg the question, but the answer is different than you are implying. Carr's still here because our new coaches think he's got what it takes. It doesn't help that a lot of other people agree with them.

And it wasn't "everyone else". AJ, Dunta, DD, and other key players are still here. I know you were generalizing for purpose of brevity but why not get mad at AJ for having a bad year last year? And Dunta -- he had what, 2 INTs? The team failed last year and so the cancerous units were cut out and replaced with new blood. The still good units were left behind; I know it sounds easier or maybe just more fun to pass the axe around to everybody, but it doesn't work that way.

I understand what you are saying about the QB being the most important and I would agree with you, just not to that extreme extent of "all or nothing." And Mike Vick carrying the Falcons? To what? They went to the NFC title game in one of the weakest divisions/conferences in pro football history. What'd they finish last year? 8-8 ... yet again, against one of the weakest schedules in the league. Never mind the Falcons' upper echelon D or strong running back tandem.

Football is a team sport and there are players that have more weight in the system than others, but IMO you are grossly exaggerating the QB role.

 

[texan279]

It does beg the question, but the answer is different than you are implying. Carr's still here because our new coaches think he's got what it takes. It doesn't help that a lot of other people agree with them.

And it wasn't "everyone else". AJ, Dunta, DD, and other key players are still here. I know you were generalizing for purpose of brevity but why not get mad at AJ for having a bad year last year? And Dunta -- he had what, 2 INTs? The team failed last year and so the cancerous units were cut out and replaced with new blood. The still good units were left behind; I know it sounds easier or maybe just more fun to pass the axe around to everybody, but it doesn't work that way.

I understand what you are saying about the QB being the most important and I would agree with you, just not to that extreme extent of "all or nothing." And Mike Vick carrying the Falcons? To what? They went to the NFC title game in one of the weakest divisions/conferences in pro football history. What'd they finish last year? 8-8 ... yet again, against one of the weakest schedules in the league. Never mind the Falcons' upper echelon D or strong running back tandem.

Football is a team sport and there are players that have more weight in the system than others, but IMO you are grossly exaggerating the QB role.

And when Vick "carried" the Falcon's to the NFC title game, that season their overall defense was ranked 14th in the NFL, and their passing game was ranked 30th in the NFL.

 

[real]

Carr is supposed to be the leader of our team...Or atleast be the leader of the offense...Why is that so hard for people to understand...It is a well known fact that Carr has not been the best leader the past four years...It is also a well known fact that Kubiak knows this and wants Carr to step up...No Carr isn't the only reason we lose games...and he isn't the only one who wins games....But If you have ever played football then you know how much a team feeds off of it's QB....Especially the offense...If you'r QB comes to the huddle enthusiastically, and sure about things those vibes feed into the rest of the offense...and the really good leaders can feed into both sides of the ball....D.Carr just doesn't strike me as a commanding presence, and that is one of my concerns about him, because even a QB who is less talented, but is a good leader can make things happen....And I don't care what people say about his talent...If he had such immense talent it wouldn't be so hard to see...It doesn't matter how bad the coaching was or the talent around him...Of course he wouldn't look like an all star, but I don't even remember seeing flashes of brilliance last yr....Everyone is remembering 2004...thats should be all the Carr apologist chant..."Remember '04"....LOL....Cuz he absolutely sucked in '05....

 

[texan279]

Carr is supposed to be the leader of our team...Or atleast be the leader of the offense...Why is that so hard for people to understand...It is a well known fact that Carr has not been the best leader the past four years...It is also a well known fact that Kubiak knows this and wants Carr to step up...No Carr isn't the only reason we lose games...and he isn't the only one who wins games....But If you have ever played football then you know how much a team feeds off of it's QB....Especially the offense...If you'r QB comes to the huddle enthusiastically, and sure about things those vibes feed into the rest of the offense...and the really good leaders can feed into both sides of the ball....D.Carr just doesn't strike me as a commanding presence, and that is one of my concerns about him, because even a QB who is less talented, but is a good leader can make things happen....And I don't care what people say about his talent...If he had such immense talent it wouldn't be so hard to see...It doesn't matter how bad the coaching was or the talent around him...Of course he wouldn't look like an all star, but I don't even remember seeing flashes of brilliance last yr....Everyone is remembering 2004...thats should be all the Carr apologist chant..."Remember '04"....LOL....Cuz he absolutely sucked in '05....

I just don't like the generalization that a QB should automatically be the "leader" of the offense. I agree though he needs to step up as far as his play is concerned.

 

[real]

I just don't like the generalization that a QB should automatically be the "leader" of the offense.

Well Not only is it my generalization, but 'tis the generalization of Coach Kubiak, Mr. Mcnair....and everyone else affiliated with the Texans...I know that a lot of people like to think "outside the box" and say..."Well Michael Irvin was the leader of the cowboys offense".....NO....He just talked the most...But I bet he was Quiet in the huddle when Ache-Man was calling the plays...

 

[NFLforher]

wierd that most of the sports writers and coaches think Carr still has what it takes to be a great QB and blame the coaching/o-line/system but you would rather bash Carr, oh well, whatever blows yer skirt up, so to speak..

I be hard pressed to do my job if I was knocked on my a** over and over.

 

[NoBullTexan]

I am making a list of all you nay-sayers about Carr, and Twin Sisters is right there on the top. If Carr does well (and with Kubiak as his coach it is a lead pipe cinch he will) You are going to be reminded of your small mindedness throughout the season. Lets see, that means I will be reminding at least 8 times this year. Of course all of you negative ninnies will be afraid to show your faces. IMO!!!!!!!!!

 

[swtbound07]

I am making a list of all you nay-sayers about Carr, and Twin Sisters is right there on the top. If Carr does well (and with Kubiak as his coach it is a lead pipe cinch he will) You are going to be reminded of your small mindedness throughout the season. Lets see, that means I will be reminding at least 8 times this year. Of course all of you negative ninnies will be afraid to show your faces. IMO!!!!!!!!!

please....i've been here a LONG time....Im not going anywhere, and I stand behind my posts.You'll just be in another thread saying "lets give carr a 6th year! I know he can do it!"

 

[HOU-TEX]

Carr is supposed to be the leader of our team...Or atleast be the leader of the offense...Why is that so hard for people to understand...It is a well known fact that Carr has not been the best leader the past four years...It is also a well known fact that Kubiak knows this and wants Carr to step up...No Carr isn't the only reason we lose games...and he isn't the only one who wins games....But If you have ever played football then you know how much a team feeds off of it's QB....Especially the offense...If you'r QB comes to the huddle enthusiastically, and sure about things those vibes feed into the rest of the offense...and the really good leaders can feed into both sides of the ball....D.Carr just doesn't strike me as a commanding presence, and that is one of my concerns about him, because even a QB who is less talented, but is a good leader can make things happen....And I don't care what people say about his talent...If he had such immense talent it wouldn't be so hard to see...It doesn't matter how bad the coaching was or the talent around him...Of course he wouldn't look like an all star, but I don't even remember seeing flashes of brilliance last yr....Everyone is remembering 2004...thats should be all the Carr apologist chant..."Remember '04"....LOL....Cuz he absolutely sucked in '05....

Did anyone besides Mathis show any flashes of brilliance last year?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Well Not only is it my generalization, but 'tis the generalization of Coach Kubiak, Mr. Mcnair....and everyone else affiliated with the Texans...I know that a lot of people like to think "outside the box" and say..."Well Michael Irvin was the leader of the cowboys offense".....NO....He just talked the most...But I bet he was Quiet in the huddle when Ache-Man was calling the plays...

I seriously doubt that. I bet he was a non-stop, "I was OPEN! I WAS OPEN!" just like TO.

And I believe it's totally possible to have leaders on the offense that are not the Quarterback. The QB being the "leader" or "field general" died in the 70's when QB's stopped calling their own plays. It's great to have a QB that is the leader and field general, but I think those guys are pretty rare.

 

[SESupergenius]

please....i've been here a LONG time....Im not going anywhere, and I stand behind my posts.You'll just be in another thread saying "lets give carr a 6th year! I know he can do it!"

Yes, you'll have to stand by this one as well. Please define the minimum criteria that Carr will need to have for him to be qualified under your terms to be a successful QB this year. We need to have this on record to refer to when we launch the "I told you so" thread.

 

[swtbound07]

Yes, you'll have to stand by this one as well. Please define the minimum criteria that Carr will need to have for him to be qualified under your terms to be a successful QB this year. We need to have this on record to refer to when we launch the "I told you so" thread.

Simple. 8-8. I think asking a 5th year starter to post one .500 season isn't too demanding.

 

[real]

I seriously doubt that. I bet he was a non-stop, "I was OPEN! I WAS OPEN!" just like TO.

And I believe it's totally possible to have leaders on the offense that are not the Quarterback. The QB being the "leader" or "field general" died in the 70's when QB's stopped calling their own plays. It's great to have a QB that is the leader and field general, but I think those guys are pretty rare.

Pretty Rare??? you are kidding me right??? Who do you guys expect to be the leader of the offense??? Andre? Eric? or how about Hogdon?? or how about Travis Johnson as the offensive leader...??? Sound Good ??? Almost every team's offensive leader is going to be there QB...There is no arguing that...And Im not coming out of left field...Apparently the texans front office and coaching staff feels the same way because they have been QUOTED...saying that ya boy Carr needs to become more of a leader...

 

[real]

Did anyone besides Mathis show any flashes of brilliance last year?

yes...and was anyone else our starting QB, and first overall pick of our first draft ever ? No...Comparing anyone else to Carr isn't fair to Carr or the other player...

 

[texan279]

yes...and was anyone else our starting QB, and first overall pick of our first draft ever ? No...Comparing anyone else to Carr isn't fair to Carr or the other player...

AJ, PBuc, and TJ were all high first round picks...

 

[Rosewood]

I'm not buying yout theory buddy. Carr, in my opinion is not the best QB in the league but he hasn't been given a chance to perform..The O-line was and until proven otherwise still is trash..Lets wait and see how he does behind a pretty good set of linemen before you get to ranking him on anyones all-time list..Carr has the arm and the legs..His only problem is that he makes bad decisions. That can be corrected by the right coach..Capers wasnt it..You want to blame somebody them blame him and his coaching system...it absolutely sucks..