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Crabtree to enter 2010 Draft?

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He would be awesome lined up opposite AJ!:specnatz:

The ridiculousness of a guy who’s never caught a professional pass deeming $20-something million “unacceptable” is a testament to the troublesome way the NFL pays its rookies. A sense of youthful entitlement combines with a flawed structure so that the unproven rookie often makes more than the veteran All-Pro

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-michaelcrabtree080609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
 
I believe his cousin, who is also an "advisor", said this, not Crabtree or his agent. His agent has denied holding out and apparently Crabtree has been with the team, though still recovering and not an active participant.

If it's true though, Crabtree is going to be in for a major surprise when he doesn't get drafted in the first 3 rounds because teams aren't going to want to deal with his BS.

However, Crabtree's agent told ESPN.com that no such threat has been made on his part.

Addressing the report, agent Eugene Parker told ESPN.com on Thursday afternoon: "You've known me a long time and I'm not a guy who makes threats. Nor am I a guy who negotiates in the public. I don't know where this came from but no such threat has been made."
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4381335
 
wow..unreal..if they want to play hardball

maybe every rookie should get a guaranteed base salary (staggered by round picked) and loaded with incentives
 
That's just momumentally stupid.

It would be funny to see him hold out all year and enter next year's draft. I'd be willing to bet he'd like back a lot further then 10.
 
This is based on mock drafts! If he wins and plays this year, I bet he gets his punk ass drilled on the field by some of these lesser paid veteran defensive backs.
 
i can c y he wasn't taken as the 1st wr..i would take a tier two WR with a good attitude over a top tier with a bad attitude and character issues (ie: Crabtree)
 
Wonder how much $$ his cousin/adviser thinks Crabtree is going to cut him on when or if he signs his deal. Probably just cost himself a good chunk of change if Crabtree or his agent have not said anything of the sort concerning payment based off of Mock Drafts.

Then again instances like this only make the case stronger for instituting rookie salaries.
 
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/010809/spo_375124880.shtml

Wells, who Crabtree mentions from time to time in interviews, is a bail bondsman who gained a higher profile in the mid-1990s by serving as a bodyguard for Michael Irvin, the then-Dallas Cowboys' wide receiver. A boxing trainer, Wells also worked with the young Crabtree on developing his skills through drills in the ring.
Bail bondsman, bodyguard, boxing trainer, agent, spokesman, what can't this guy do?
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I'm jealous

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The NFL is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer. The idea that a rookie that's never played a down of NFL ball making the most money on a team is crazy ridiculous. The time has come to overhaul the system. This is just stupid money at this point for guys that have proven absolutely nothing but what agent they chose.
 
Double Barrel said:
The NFL is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer. The idea that a rookie that's never played a down of NFL ball making the most money on a team is crazy ridiculous. The time has come to overhaul the system. This is just stupid money at this point for guys that have proven absolutely nothing but what agent they chose.
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It happens in baseball too. It's just not as ridiculous as the NFL.
 
Heath Shuler said:
Wells, who Crabtree mentions from time to time in interviews, is a bail bondsman who gained a higher profile in the mid-1990s by serving as a bodyguard for Michael Irvin, the then-Dallas Cowboys' wide receiver. A boxing trainer, Wells also worked with the young Crabtree on developing his skills through drills in the ring.

Bail bondsman, bodyguard, boxing trainer, agent, spokesman, what can't this guy do?
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in the hood, they calls it pimpin'.
 
Diva, girl, DIVA!!! (snapping fingers in a z-pattern and rolling head in a circle with off hand on hip). Wow, no wonder why 9 teams passed on him. There was a report that came out during OTAs that Crabtree was late for a meeting. Singletary, being the cremepuff of a coach he is, makes the entire team run extra for it. Crabtree doesn't even as much apologize to his teammates. What a clown! Too bad for the 9ers and their fans. They just drafted T.O. version2.0!
 
Misleading subject title. I had heard about his cousin err esteemed adviser saying that he would re-enter the draft but not that he had decided to do it. This cousin is a moron. No stupider words had ever been spoken.

That guy actually cost Crabtree money because now Crab looks like a moron and the 49ers are letting the public get a look at what this guy is asking for without them having to get their hands dirty. Now Crabtree loses all sympathy publically and the pressure is off the 49ers management to meet his ridiculous demands.

There is NO way that Crabtree goes back into the draft in 2010. His stock would plummet like no other and needless to say Front Offices around the league wouldn't be chomping at the bit to get the guy signed. This is the worst bluff of all time. Even if Crabtree worked out great (which he has yet to do) he would be selected no earlier than #15 overall. I could even see him drop to the late 1st Round if the guy proved to be dumb enough to sit out.

He is trying to pull an Elway but Elway had a fallback plan. Pitch for the Yankees. Elway was an insane pitching prospect and already had contract ready to be signed if the Colts drafted him. Crabtree is just bitter because Al Davis gave him the finger and he wasn't #1 WR in the draft. He knows that cost him millions and he only has himself and his lack of quality workouts to blame.

I hope he does do the insane thing and go into the draft though. Oh man, how the mighty would fall.
 
LOL. Oh man, Im loving this. I'll admit, I did want the Raiders to draft Cashtree, and was po'ed for a while when we drafted DHB. But I really think DHB has potential...and from what I have heard/read DHB is dropping less and less balls by the day.


IF Crabs enters the 2010 draft...I have a feeling good ol' Al might take him:gun:.
 
Double Barrel said:
The NFL is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer. The idea that a rookie that's never played a down of NFL ball making the most money on a team is crazy ridiculous. The time has come to overhaul the system. This is just stupid money at this point for guys that have proven absolutely nothing but what agent they chose.
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I hope he does (although unlikely) because it would be the best catalyst for getting reform in on the upper half of the 1st round. After that the money isn't crazy - at least by NFL standards. Folks aren't getting paid top 5 money or better without having played a down.
 
Double Barrel said:
The NFL is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer. The idea that a rookie that's never played a down of NFL ball making the most money on a team is crazy ridiculous. The time has come to overhaul the system. This is just stupid money at this point for guys that have proven absolutely nothing but what agent they chose.
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I agree..

Here's a little game...

Here's two salaries..

A) 6 years, 42 million guaranteed

B) 6 years, 35 million guaranteed

One player has won a Super Bowl, been a Super Bowl MVP, been to a Pro Bowl, and established himself as a legit starter in this league.

The other player has never taken a snap in a game nor has he proven himself to be worth anywhere close to the amount he got paid.

The players? A) Matt Stafford and B) Eli Manning.

Is it just me or is this disgusting? Eli deserved a new contract from the one he had, but this new one, at least to me, seems grossly overdone. He is a good player and I would like to lock him up if he is my QB, but he is making more than his brother, Tom Brady, Roethlisberger, and Palmer; who are all arguably better QBs than him, not too mention other players that in my opinion are worth more.

The fact that Stafford is making more than all of them... :gun:
 
pbat488 said:
I agree..

Here's a little game...

Here's two salaries..

A) 6 years, 42 million guaranteed

B) 6 years, 35 million guaranteed

One player has won a Super Bowl, been a Super Bowl MVP, been to a Pro Bowl, and established himself as a legit starter in this league.

The other player has never taken a snap in a game nor has he proven himself to be worth anywhere close to the amount he got paid.

The players? A) Matt Stafford and B) Eli Manning.

Is it just me or is this disgusting? Eli deserved a new contract from the one he had, but this new one, at least to me, seems grossly overdone. He is a good player and I would like to lock him up if he is my QB, but he is making more than his brother, Tom Brady, Roethlisberger, and Palmer; who are all arguably better QBs than him, not too mention other players that in my opinion are worth more.

The fact that Stafford is making more than all of them... :gun:
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Maybe Eli Manning should've been the first pick of the draft....
 
Double Barrel said:
The NFL is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer. The idea that a rookie that's never played a down of NFL ball making the most money on a team is crazy ridiculous. The time has come to overhaul the system. This is just stupid money at this point for guys that have proven absolutely nothing but what agent they chose.
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MLB is just as bad as the NFL as far as bonus' go. Astros drafted 21st and Jiovanni Mier $1.358 million signing bonus. So many times do you hear of players going back into the draft or instead of going from HS to the pros they go on to college for a couple years because they do not like signing bonus.
 
Being a mild Tech fan, I enjoyed the heck out of watching Crabtree. He was a playmaker for sure, but I must admit, he's being very dumb. If he continues this absurd notion of being top 5 worthy he can kiss this season goodbye, but it sounds like he doesn't give a hoot anyways.

Crabtree, think about the other players that were drafted around you and how you're screwing them over because their freakin agents are waiting for some asshat at #10 to sign. Ugh!
 
If he sits out a year he'll never make up the lost money he'd get if he signed the contract offered to a pick in his draft slot. I'd like to see it just to see what happens next year.
 
I would like nothing better than to see him sit out. Doubt it happens though. I like to see the obnoxious arrogant types get knocked down a peg or two. At this point, his mouth is writing checks his ass can't cash.

And yes, the system needs to be totally over-hauled as it relates to rookies.
 
Speedy said:
It happens in baseball too. It's just not as ridiculous as the NFL.
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Specnatz said:
MLB is just as bad as the NFL as far as bonus' go. Astros drafted 21st and Jiovanni Mier $1.358 million signing bonus. So many times do you hear of players going back into the draft or instead of going from HS to the pros they go on to college for a couple years because they do not like signing bonus.
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Thanks for the info, y'all. I didn't realize that MLB was in the same boat. My statement should read "pro sports is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer."

All of this on the back of taxpayer-funded stadiums, too. What a crazy business model.
 
I'm never going to tell another grown man to shut up and take an employment contract. I'm never going to tell him what his career is worth. It's a foolish exercise. He has every right to negotiate his salary. He has every right to not play for what he deems inadequate compensation. I don't see the urge to rail at him or his supposed "attitude".

Would you people be lining up to yell at my dad in the oil refinerys, back when he was on strike for a pay raise? Do you think he was making enough and should have been greatful for the job?

Get out of Crabtree's life. He has the skillset, he thinks he has leverage, and he has no obligation to "settle" for what the 49ers think he's worth.
 
There's no way he's going to enter the 2010 draft. What could he possibly have to gain by doing that? There would be no way he goes in the top ten after sitting out a year. He could possibly not even go in the first round. Teams won't want to take the risk of him sitting out again.

HOU-TEX said:
Being a mild Tech fan, I enjoyed the heck out of watching Crabtree. He was a playmaker for sure, but I must admit, he's being very dumb. If he continues this absurd notion of being top 5 worthy he can kiss this season goodbye, but it sounds like he doesn't give a hoot anyways.

Crabtree, think about the other players that were drafted around you and how you're screwing them over because their freakin agents are waiting for some asshat at #10 to sign. Ugh!
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Couldn't Crabtree make the same argument against those other players, since most were drafted ahead of him anyway?
 
Porky said:
And yes, the system needs to be totally over-hauled as it relates to rookies.
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there is no system. its the owners stupid fault for letting this escalate. if they all agreed next yrs #1 overall is getting a 6 yr, 40 mill with 15 mil garunteed, #2 is getting etc etc. you think all 32 players are going to sit out the whole yr? sure there'd be holdouts but they would end if the owners were steadfast & there was going to be the same money on offer in next yrs draft
 
Man.....I really like Crabtree and still kind of do......but it would be a BIG-TIME mistake for him to sit out a year. He will drop like a ton of bricks in the 2010 draft......

He needs to recognize the opportunity he has in front of him and jump on it.....and just in case he doesn't know........Go talk to Michael Vick!
 
Maddict5 said:
there is no system. its the owners stupid fault for letting this escalate. if they all agreed next yrs #1 overall is getting a 6 yr, 40 mill with 15 mil garunteed, #2 is getting etc etc. you think all 32 players are going to sit out the whole yr? sure there'd be holdouts but they would end if the owners were steadfast & there was going to be the same money on offer in next yrs draft
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The MLB owners tried it, and got nailed for collusion - correctly so I might add.

Unless and until the issue is collectively bargained, it's not going away.
 
nice article...click the link for the whole thing.

Dear Michael Crabtree:

Hi. Just checking in. It's me. Your locker. You know, the one at 49ers headquarters in Santa Clara. Michael, I'm feeling kind of empty these days. I guess that's because I am. Empty, I mean. My shelves. My hooks. My bench. My drawers. All empty.

Oh, the number "15" is there hanging above me, looking kind of sad. It was supposed to be your jersey number before you decided to hold out and not sign the contract offer made by the 49ers after they picked you as the 10th player in the NFL draft.

Anyhow, we are moving into the fifth week of that holdout. And frankly, I am beginning to wonder if you'll ever show up. The guys are thinking of hanging a "VACANCY" sign on me. I guess it might be my new nickname - you know, just like the way Michael Jackson threw a blanket over his son's head and people started calling the kid "Blanket." And it stuck.

The way things are going, I'm afraid the same thing will happen to me - not having a blanket over my head, but getting a stupid nickname.

On the other hand, maybe I deserve it. I was actually excited when I heard the 49ers' top draft pick would be moving in. The lockers on either side of me were jealous. But across the room, one wise old locker warned me: This guy's trouble. Don't count your soap-on-a-rope before ... well, before it's on a rope.
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But you're still stubborn, I guess. Before the draft, the "people" around you said that you were going to make more money than any wide receiver selected. And your "people" kept saying that, even after the Raiders picked Darrius Heyward-Bey three spots ahead of you. And apparently, you kept listening to your "people."

So that's why you decided to hold out. Fine. But have you noticed something? As the days pass, the 49er fans are not especially anguished about your absence. The team is moving on, making progress, following the plan of coach Mike Singletary to become a smash-mouth running team on offense.

Think about this, Michael: What kind of rookie wide receiver would decide to be a holdout on a team with an offense based almost entirely on the rushing attack? Do I have to spell it out for you again?

Now, I hear your "people" are again murmuring that you might hold out the whole season, then go through the draft again. That makes no sense. The people who had doubts about drafting you as one of the top-five picks this year are going to have even bigger doubts next year.

Also, if the mission of you and your "people" is to become a big NFL star with lots of commercials and endorsements ... um, have you checked around? The players who get those contracts are the ones on the field, doing great stuff. So if you take a little less money from the 49ers, you might get more money from the advertisers.

During your pre-draft visits to NFL teams, the Cleveland Browns leaked out discouraging words. They said that you were a bit of a diva, with an entourage that was riding on your coattails and giving you an inflated ego.
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http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_13220284?nclick_check=1
 
swtbound07 said:
I'm never going to tell another grown man to shut up and take an employment contract. I'm never going to tell him what his career is worth. It's a foolish exercise. He has every right to negotiate his salary. He has every right to not play for what he deems inadequate compensation. I don't see the urge to rail at him or his supposed "attitude".

Would you people be lining up to yell at my dad in the oil refinerys, back when he was on strike for a pay raise? Do you think he was making enough and should have been greatful for the job?

Get out of Crabtree's life. He has the skillset, he thinks he has leverage, and he has no obligation to "settle" for what the 49ers think he's worth.
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Yeah, maybe, but what he thinks and what reality is are two different things. He has two options - sign the contract (or a reasonable one), or wait and see what happens in the 2010 draft. I hope he opts for the latter so he can lament the $23 million.

I wonder what post you'll come up with then? If dude turns down $23 million to make what will turn out to be less next year, then he's stupid. It's that simple.
 
swtbound07 said:
I'm never going to tell another grown man to shut up and take an employment contract. I'm never going to tell him what his career is worth. It's a foolish exercise. He has every right to negotiate his salary. He has every right to not play for what he deems inadequate compensation. I don't see the urge to rail at him or his supposed "attitude".

Would you people be lining up to yell at my dad in the oil refinerys, back when he was on strike for a pay raise? Do you think he was making enough and should have been greatful for the job?

Get out of Crabtree's life. He has the skillset, he thinks he has leverage, and he has no obligation to "settle" for what the 49ers think he's worth.
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I think its a different situation. I do not know you or your father, but I imagine he probably worked at the oil refinery a while and knew his job pretty well. In contrast, Crabtree does not know his job. He does not know the routes he needs to run, does not know the playbook, and does not know the small timing aspects of his QB.

Crabtree has no real leverage. He could sit out (which is what he is doing), but at the end of the day he will sign the contract or not sign it. If the 49ers do not sign him, their only loss is that he is not on the field. Since he is not even on the same page as the team, he will take time to get there. It might be until week 4 or 5 until he makes a contribution. In contrast, if Crabtree does not sign, he cannot make any $. He cannot pay for all the nice things he has bought and he cannot return to Tech.

SF owns his rights until the next draft. That means HE CANNOT workout for other teams should he choose to sit out. So, next year when all the WRs are at the combine, scouting days, and at team workouts Crabtree will be sitting at home. Will NFL teams draft him HIGHER after sitting out for a whole year? Nope. He will probably tumble way down and be offered a fraction of what he would make now.

NFL draft is all about slotting. His number has been offered. He has every right to negotiate his contract, but he also needs to realize that there is no more room to negotiate. His actions speak of immaturity and not planning ahead. I think Crabtree is playing a game he simply cannot win.

In many of life's decisions it is import ant to ask this simple question: whats the best/worst thing that could happen and how likely is it to happen. In Crabtree's case the worst case scenario is FAR likelier than a best case scenario. Therefore the wise person would abandon his strategy and sign his deal immediately. The immature person would continue forward in order to save face.
 
eriadoc said:
Yeah, maybe, but what he thinks and what reality is are two different things. He has two options - sign the contract (or a reasonable one), or wait and see what happens in the 2010 draft. I hope he opts for the latter so he can lament the $23 million.
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I'm curious to see how Crabtree's situation plays out. If he sits out this season to re-enter the draft next season I can't imagine him going top ten. Next years draft will feature QBs like McCoy, Snead, and Bradford. Throw in some of the top defensive prospects like Taylor Mays and Terrance Cody, and it becomes even more difficult to see Crabtree going top ten. He may believe he should be the highest paid WR in this draft, but that won't happen. The sooner he realizes that the better off he'll be.
 
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