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Crabtree to enter 2010 Draft?

First up, I want to see Crabtree do his stuff in the NFL...I think he'll be pretty beastly.

But....on the holdout issue.

I think he has a fair chance of actually holding out through the season. Either at the moment, he is not really kicking and screaming, throwing threats about holding out...the main source of this was his 'advisor' speaking out of turn, and everyone since then has tried to quell the issue. If he was just trying to bump up the contract value in a short term move, he'd try and scare the 49ers into giving him more, to save him going drafting again next year.

Either he is going to take something close to what he has been offered, or, he is going to sit out, IMO. I personally believe that he should have gotten the top WR's money, or equal to it, and I'm not sure that will be given. The only way I can see this really working out, without the 49ers suddenly buckling, is with a largely incentive-based contract, to make sure he works his ass off when/if he signs.
 
mattieuk said:
First up, I want to see Crabtree do his stuff in the NFL...I think he'll be pretty beastly.

But....on the holdout issue.

I think he has a fair chance of actually holding out through the season. Either at the moment, he is not really kicking and screaming, throwing threats about holding out...the main source of this was his 'advisor' speaking out of turn, and everyone since then has tried to quell the issue. If he was just trying to bump up the contract value in a short term move, he'd try and scare the 49ers into giving him more, to save him going drafting again next year.

Either he is going to take something close to what he has been offered, or, he is going to sit out, IMO. I personally believe that he should have gotten the top WR's money, or equal to it, and I'm not sure that will be given. The only way I can see this really working out, without the 49ers suddenly buckling, is with a largely incentive-based contract, to make sure he works his ass off when/if he signs.
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Which is how ALL rookie contracts should be structured!
 
I don't understand Crabtree at all.

I have heard the big ego stories for a long time though...he certainly could do worse than the Niners.
 
I'm just glad he's someone elses problem. Crabtree is an ***** for holding out and I'm betting that some SS/FS is just waiting to welcome him into the NFL, maybe even one of his own teammates. Crabtree is also setting himself up for years of trouble in the NFL if this is the way he acts now, it's most likely the way he'll act in 2 yrs. when he wants to renegotiate his rookie contract. This guy is the next T.O., Brandon Marshall, Chad "*****" Johnson, etc...
 
The only thing I'm worried about is my fantasy football team. Crabtree should be a good bye-week replacement. I'm counting on him. I don't give a damn about the money, just Crabtree get me some points.
 
Crabtree's officially the last 1st rounder not to sign. I can't believe Eugene Parker would stick with him this long. It can't be any good for his future clients to see him involved with a kid like this. I like Mike Singletary, and it's a shame to see them waste a 1st round pick on guy with this kind of attitude.
 
awtysst said:
I think its a different situation. I do not know you or your father, but I imagine he probably worked at the oil refinery a while and knew his job pretty well. In contrast, Crabtree does not know his job. He does not know the routes he needs to run, does not know the playbook, and does not know the small timing aspects of his QB.

Crabtree has no real leverage. He could sit out (which is what he is doing), but at the end of the day he will sign the contract or not sign it. If the 49ers do not sign him, their only loss is that he is not on the field. Since he is not even on the same page as the team, he will take time to get there. It might be until week 4 or 5 until he makes a contribution. In contrast, if Crabtree does not sign, he cannot make any $. He cannot pay for all the nice things he has bought and he cannot return to Tech.

SF owns his rights until the next draft. That means HE CANNOT workout for other teams should he choose to sit out. So, next year when all the WRs are at the combine, scouting days, and at team workouts Crabtree will be sitting at home. Will NFL teams draft him HIGHER after sitting out for a whole year? Nope. He will probably tumble way down and be offered a fraction of what he would make now.

NFL draft is all about slotting. His number has been offered. He has every right to negotiate his contract, but he also needs to realize that there is no more room to negotiate. His actions speak of immaturity and not planning ahead. I think Crabtree is playing a game he simply cannot win.

In many of life's decisions it is import ant to ask this simple question: whats the best/worst thing that could happen and how likely is it to happen. In Crabtree's case the worst case scenario is FAR likelier than a best case scenario. Therefore the wise person would abandon his strategy and sign his deal immediately. The immature person would continue forward in order to save face.
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This.

Everyone who peeks their head into this thread should read this post.

Rookies have all the leverage up until the preseason starts. Teams will pay more than they want to so that they can get the kid in in time to prepare for the season.

Once the preseason hits the rookies lose all leverage. They are too far behind to make an immediate impact on the team so they become less valuable. At this point, you either sign what they offer you or you refuse and wait until next year where you will sign for half that amount if you are lucky.
 
bah007 said:
This.

Everyone who peeks their head into this thread should read this post.

Rookies have all the leverage up until the preseason starts. Teams will pay more than they want to so that they can get the kid in in time to prepare for the season.

Once the preseason hits the rookies lose all leverage. They are too far behind to make an immediate impact on the team so they become less valuable. At this point, you either sign what they offer you or you refuse and wait until next year where you will sign for half that amount if you are lucky.
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Yes, that's exact correct. Crabtree has no leverage at this point. All he's doing right now is hurting his rookie season where he won't be prepared and he won't know the plays. The guy is not going to have good numbers for a rookie at all. Anyone who has him on their fantasy team right now, might as well drop the guy.

Crabtree is not a smart young kid either. I think he's going to be one of these players that makes bad decisions off the field and constantly fights with management. He rolls around with an entourage, he listens to a ton of idiots in his camp or his entourage or whatever, and he's not a guy with the greatest character either.

There were a lot of rumors about his door getting kicked in by the cops when he lived in Lubbock because of his room mate being a coke dealer around campus and around that territory as well. If that's true, then Crabtree simply doesn't associate himself with the kind of people that will help to keep him out of trouble. He'll have a lot of leachers around him constantly I imagine, and that's never good for the focus of any young player.

The 49ers are going to have their hands full.
 
If he holds out it would be hard to imagine a team betting a 1st round pick on a guy that held out an entire season. I would be surpised to see him taken until mid to late second round.

Even if he does sign I doubt Singltary will even let him on the field until the end of the season.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
If he holds out it would be hard to imagine a team betting a 1st round pick on a guy that held out an entire season. I would be surpised to see him taken until mid to late second round.

Even if he does sign I doubt Singltary will even let him on the field until the end of the season.
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I agree. This kid has lost his mind if he thinks sitting out a year will get him a better contract. I'm sure Singletary already regrets drafting him. If Eugene Parker has any brains, he'll drop him and move on to the next years draft prospects right now.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
If he holds out it would be hard to imagine a team betting a 1st round pick on a guy that held out an entire season. I would be surpised to see him taken until mid to late second round.

Even if he does sign I doubt Singltary will even let him on the field until the end of the season.
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There may have been others but the only guy that I can remember ever sitting out a year after being drafted was Bo Jackson, who fell from the #1 overall pick in the 86' draft to the 7th round in the 87' draft.

I doubt Crabtree would fall that far because his circumstances are very different from Jackson's. But it is an example of how far a player can drop if they refuse to sign.

And believe me, Crabtree will get nowhere near the money he is seeking if he refuses to sign with the 49ers. Trust me, if he tries to re-enter the draft next year he will be compared to Mike Williams of USC, who had to sit out a year after declaring for the draft and turned into an epic bust. Most people would probably also say that Williams was a more talented player than Crabtree is so the chances of him busting are even more likely.

Love Crabtree or hate him, the best decision he could possibly make is to sign that contract, regardless of what he and those around him believe he is worth.
 
It sounds to me like that foot hasn't healed, or he just doesn't want to play for a team who isn't cemented with a real QB. I'm thinking it's the QB situation. If the foot wasn't healed why wouldn't you hurry up and get paid?
 
El Tejano said:
It sounds to me like that foot hasn't healed, or he just doesn't want to play for a team who isn't cemented with a real QB. I'm thinking it's the QB situation. If the foot wasn't healed why wouldn't you hurry up and get paid?
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I don't think it has anything to do with his foot or the SF QB's. Dude's just not that bright and he has put his future in the hands of imbeciles.
 
Crabtree's agent also represents Richard Seymour. I can't imagine any of the teams wanting to draft his clients in next years draft.
 
They may have the same agent, but it's the player that makes the decisions and Crabtree is making a really stupid decision.
 
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