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Connor Cook

Would love to hear Cook's explanation for completely disrespecting Archie Griffin after the game.


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I saw that live and thought it looked really odd.

Then the rest of the team left the stage as he started talking and I couldn't tell if I was making a bigger deal of that than it really was.

It's like he became Bo Callahan for a minute.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I saw that live and thought it looked really odd.

Then the rest of the team left the stage as he started talking and I couldn't tell if I was making a bigger deal of that than it really was.

It's like he became Bo Callahan for a minute.
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Might be a glimpse into why he's not a senior captain.

It's been bugging me all year how he's a third year starting QB and not a team captain. Just seems so weird.
 
WolverineFan said:
Might be a glimpse into why he's not a senior captain.

It's been bugging me all year how he's a third year starting QB and not a team captain. Just seems so weird.
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I think that's going to be enough for me to take Cook off of my draft board. In the FWIW Dept, Coker had a better game against Florida D than Cook had against the Iowa D.
 
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ArlingtonTexan said:
It terms of protocol, it should not matter if he knew who Archie Griffin was. Take the whole 2 seconds, shake the guy's hand correctly, and go on about your life.
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Yes. But the guy is still young and excited. He MAY learn protocol as he matures.
 
Couldn't have been more Unimpressed with him after the game yesterday....dude's a low end game manager..if we draft this kid and we do it any earlier than the 3rd round I'm gonna be pissed.
 
WolverineFan said:
Would love to hear Cook's explanation for completely disrespecting Archie Griffin after the game.


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My impression of Cook so far is he's quick-minded, but has a bit of a 'dumb blonde' in him. A little like Tom Brady, dumb blonde/self-centered/not the most liked by teammates. Certainly doesn't disqualify him as you can add both Mannings, Ben, Russell Wilson, Kaepernick among recent SB QBs whose teammates didn't love them.

I think he was just nervous and looked right past Archie to Joel Klatt. He owned it right afterwards after seeing the video:

http://btn.com/2015/12/06/watch-connor-cook-celebrate-big-ten-title-with-parents/

Still more digging to do through the Combine.

Mr teX said:
Couldn't have been more Unimpressed with him after the game yesterday....dude's a low end game manager..if we draft this kid and we do it any earlier than the 3rd round I'm gonna be pissed.
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He's still playing injured from the shoulder subluxation. One of the most anticipated Combine medical reports in 2016, no doubt.
 
Playoffs said:
My impression of Cook so far is he's quick-minded, but has a bit of a 'dumb blonde' in him. A little like Tom Brady, dumb blonde/self-centered/not the most liked by teammates. Certainly doesn't disqualify him as you can add both Mannings, Ben, Russell Wilson, Kaepernick among recent SB QBs whose teammates didn't love them.

I think he was just nervous and looked right past Archie to Joel Klatt. He owned it right afterwards after seeing the video:

http://btn.com/2015/12/06/watch-connor-cook-celebrate-big-ten-title-with-parents/

Still more digging to do through the Combine.



He's still playing injured from the shoulder subluxation. One of the most anticipated Combine medical reports in 2016, no doubt.
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I think he could end up being a Tom Brady or even a Big Ben. He is a leader, fighter and most importantly he's a winner he can lead a team from a come from behind to win and possibly win a Super Bowl or two and I agree the only thing that worries me is the shoulder if he throw deep at the combine or at his pro day without any problems from his shoulder, he is a 1st rounder and I hope the Texans draft him because this team needs a QB.
 
Chris said:
I think he could end up being a Tom Brady or even a Big Ben. He is a leader, fighter and most importantly he's a winner he can lead a team from a come from behind to win and possibly win a Super Bowl or two and I agree the only thing that worries me is the shoulder if he throw deep at the combine or at his pro day without any problems from his shoulder, he is a 1st rounder and I hope the Texans draft him because this team needs a QB.
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I'm curious what about him makes you think he could be even mentioned in the same sentence as multiple Super Bowl winners like Big Ben and Brady. Admittedly I don't know a lot about him other than what I've read in here, but that's a big time comparison.
 
Say Watt said:
I'm curious what about him makes you think he could be even mentioned in the same sentence as multiple Super Bowl winners like Big Ben and Brady. Admittedly I don't know a lot about him other than what I've read in here, but that's a big time comparison.
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You have to understand no one will make a direct comparison to a college prospect & a veteran QB.

When you see "college player" compared to "multiple Super Bowl winning veteran" they're mostly talking about that "multiple Super Bowl winning veteran" when he was a prospect, straight out of college.

There's a trait, or attribute the poster is identifying as a trait, or attribute that helped that prospect achieve what he has in the NFL & since the new prospect has those same traits hopefully the new prospect will have a successful NFL career.
 
thunderkyss said:
You have to understand no one will make a direct comparison to a college prospect & a veteran QB.

When you see "college player" compared to "multiple Super Bowl winning veteran" they're mostly talking about that "multiple Super Bowl winning veteran" when he was a prospect, straight out of college.

There's a trait, or attribute the poster is identifying as a trait, or attribute that helped that prospect achieve what he has in the NFL & since the new prospect has those same traits hopefully the new prospect will have a successful NFL career.
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I get that. Cook obviously isn't a multiple super Bowl winning veteran. It just seems kind of silly to me to ever compare players to guys like Cool Joe, Brady, Big Ben, etc. These are some of the greatest to ever play the game.

So what specific traits do you, or others, see in Cook to make such an unbelievable comparison? If it's the leadership and intangibles, then you better freakin draft the guy, especially if we are mentioning Brady. The guy is probably the fiercest competitor the sport has just about ever seen. No one wants to win more than Brady, and that's what sets him apart.

If that's Cook, then you better f-ing draft him. So why the comparison? I wish you had answered the question.
 
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I get that. Cook obviously isn't a multiple super Bowl winning veteran. It just seems kind of silly to me to ever compare players to guys like Cool Joe, Brady, Big Ben, etc. These are some of the greatest to ever play the game.

So what specific traits do you, or others, see in Cook to make such an unbelievable comparison? If it's the leadership and intangibles, then you better freakin draft the guy, especially if we are mentioning Brady. The guy is probably the fiercest competitor the sport has just about ever seen. No one wants to win more than Brady, and that's what sets him apart.

If that's Cook, then you better f-ing draft him. So why the comparison? I wish you had answered the question.
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I'm not saying that he going to be those guys right away what i'm trying to say that through time he can become one of those guys that can lead a team to multiple Super Bowls
 
I'm aware this is a highlight tape but if this kid is on the board, you take him. He's better than what we have and has potential to better than anything we've at the QB position.

 
Chris said:
I think he could end up being a Tom Brady or even a Big Ben...
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Now I was only comparing personalty profile to Brady, and that they QB doesn't have to be most liked to succeed with Brady/Ben.

Nothing about on field play, to be clear.

Texian said:
MSU's Connor Cook wins Unitas award as top QB
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c.../08/connor-cook-johnny-unitas-award/76993958/
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The Davey O'Brien is the other major quarterback award. Cook was a semifinalist, but the finalists are TCU's Trevone Boykin, Clemson's Deshaun Watson and Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield.
 
He has played poorly since his shoulder injury. (Granted he had plenty of rest before playing Penn State.)

I'd feel very confident that MSU could beat Bama if I knew his shoulder was 100%. I'm pretty sure it's not and will most likely require surgery after the season ends.

Regardless,

I hope we draft Cook.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
He has played poorly since his shoulder injury. (Granted he had plenty of rest before playing Penn State.)

I'd feel very confident that MSU could beat Bama if I knew his shoulder was 100%. I'm pretty sure it's not and will most likely require surgery after the season ends.

Regardless,

I hope we draft Cook.
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Which Round?
 
Remember when everyone tried to hype up the fact that Gurley could fall to the end of the 1st round and the Seahawks could get him? The media hyped it up to no end and he ended up getting drafted 10th overall.

People who don't like Cook are going to hype him falling into the 2nd or 3rd round. That isn't happening. He's a mid-late 1st round pick. If you're just now watching Cook then of course you don't like him. He's injured and is going to try to play through it because he gives MSU the best chance to win.

Wolverine, I thoroughly enjoy your draft analysis but please look at Cook as a QB that ISN'T playing for your in-state rival. It is affecting your judgement. The team captain stuff is blown completely out of proportion. I will admit that he has a slight arrogance to him but with that arrogance comes confidence.

When the year started, the media asked him who the best QB in the Big Ten was and he said himself. Pretty sure he was right.

And last but not least, the Archie Griffin episode. Yes, he quickly shook his hand and moved past him.

1. He was caught up in the moment of just winning the Big Ten and he forgot to acknowledge Archie accordingly. It happened, he apologized, MOVE ON. I've talked to several OSU fans that are over it.

2. When OSU won the Big Ten last year, Cardale Jones didn't even SHAKE Archie's hand, he took the trophy and walked right past him without even looking at him. Go look it up. All about making something out of nothing.

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I hate how these announcers talk about PI calls because the DB didn't turn his head. All day they said the same thing in the Clemson game.

With the amount of contact on the receiver it doesn't matter what the DB is looking at. They need to he playing the ball. Part of that is hands off the receiver.
 
Cook made two big throws, one 3rd down and then INT. He was looking good on that drive before turnover.
 
Tonight Connor Cook took a back seat to Jake Coker. The Bama D had their way with Mich St O.

GOODYEAR COTTON BOWL - CFP SEMIFINAL
12/31 @Alabama L 38-0 19 Comp, 39 ATT, 210 YDs, 48.7%, 28 Long, 0 TD, 2 INTs, 83.7 QB Rating
 
Cook besides seemingly being a douche is probably, most likely not a very good qb. I see him a a long term NFL back up qb, like a Brandon Weeden, Ryan Mallet, Blaine Gabbert type.

I hope to the mighty baby jesus that the Texans dont draft him in the 1st round.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
Remember when everyone tried to hype up the fact that Gurley could fall to the end of the 1st round and the Seahawks could get him? The media hyped it up to no end and he ended up getting drafted 10th overall.

People who don't like Cook are going to hype him falling into the 2nd or 3rd round. That isn't happening. He's a mid-late 1st round pick. If you're just now watching Cook then of course you don't like him. He's injured and is going to try to play through it because he gives MSU the best chance to win.

Wolverine, I thoroughly enjoy your draft analysis but please look at Cook as a QB that ISN'T playing for your in-state rival. It is affecting your judgement. The team captain stuff is blown completely out of proportion. I will admit that he has a slight arrogance to him but with that arrogance comes confidence.

When the year started, the media asked him who the best QB in the Big Ten was and he said himself. Pretty sure he was right.

And last but not least, the Archie Griffin episode. Yes, he quickly shook his hand and moved past him.

1. He was caught up in the moment of just winning the Big Ten and he forgot to acknowledge Archie accordingly. It happened, he apologized, MOVE ON. I've talked to several OSU fans that are over it.

2. When OSU won the Big Ten last year, Cardale Jones didn't even SHAKE Archie's hand, he took the trophy and walked right past him without even looking at him. Go look it up. All about making something out of nothing.

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Gurley was and elite physical talent, whose only question was injury. We know about cook because he has been in big games, but he is not "special" in terms of physical gifts and there are questions about his true leadership. he is 1st rounder because he has been seen on the biggest stages and perform well enough at times, but really is 2nd/3rd round type IMO.
 
Honestly, I would expect anybody that liked Mallett would like Cook.

He's the total package, except without the ability to consistently hit a moving target with an accurate throw. Everything else is there.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Trying to figure how that makes sense.

People like several different types of qb's and for different reasons.
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Very similar college players with similar tools, strengths, and weaknesses.

I'm not saying you have to like both. But they are very similar, and I would expect that whatever it is you value in the one you like you would also value if you saw the same things in someone else.
 
bah007 said:
Very similar college players with similar tools, strengths, and weaknesses.

I'm not saying you have to like both. But they are very similar, and I would expect that whatever it is you value in the one you like you would also value if you saw the same things in someone else.
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I guess that's an interesting way to look at it. I still don't fully get he take though.

For instance, I like guys who are good and help teams win and I just assumed everyone thought that way.

To throw some concrete names out there...I like Manning, Brady, Newton, Wilson, Luck, Romo, Palmer, Rivers, Brees....and a bunch of other guys throughout history and also current.

A bunch of guys with different skill sets....

Mallet was a guy with with physical tools, had high round talent, had been in the system with a great franchise and learned from a great coach and qb.

Situations, circumstances....that matters.

But no biggie...was just wondering
 
Cook's arrow was pointing up after last season. In retrospect, he should have entered the draft then. Was looking like a mid to late 1st rounder. 2nd day at best, now.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I guess that's an interesting way to look at it. I still don't fully get he take though.

For instance, I like guys who are good and help teams win and I just assumed everyone thought that way.

To throw some concrete names out there...I like Manning, Brady, Newton, Wilson, Luck, Romo, Palmer, Rivers, Brees....and a bunch of other guys throughout history and also current.

A bunch of guys with different skill sets....

Mallet was a guy with with physical tools, had high round talent, had been in the system with a great franchise and learned from a great coach and qb.

Situations, circumstances....that matters.

But no biggie...was just wondering
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We might just look at things a little bit differently. No biggie at all, just different perspectives.

There's a lot that goes into an evaluation, but one big thing for me is that I look at players in terms of what tools they have, what are their strengths, and what are their weaknesses. That way I can evaluate guys who play across a whole spectrum of different systems with different responsibilities even though they may play what is considered to be the same position. It's more than just looking at a guy and saying whether he's good or not. Because what he's good at in college may be different from what he would be asked to do in the pros.

To give you an example, two guys who were compared at length as extremely similar players were Russell Wilson and Manziel. They are similar size and similar athletes with somewhat similar abilities. But I had a 1st round grade on Wilson when nobody else did because of how I felt that his particular set of skills translated to the next level. Then Manziel comes out, who people think is very similar, but I had a 3rd round grade on him because I didn't see his tools translating to the next level in the same way. Both were very good in college and helped their team win. But to me they project to the next level of football in drastically different ways.

I'm also a coach, so that may change the way I look at it. That's what we do (at least at my school). We don't get to pick our players, and so each kid we get has to be evaluated for what he brings to the table, what he's good at and what he's not good at. A kid being good and helping his team win are two different things and they are so dependent on things that are totally out of the kid's control that it's impossible to make a true projection of the kid's abilities just looking at it that way. At least in my opinion.
 
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bah007 said:
We might just look at things a little bit differently. No biggie at all, just different perspectives.

There's a lot that goes into an evaluation, but one big thing for me is that I look at players in terms of what tools they have, what are their strengths, and what are their weaknesses. That way I can evaluate guys who play across a whole spectrum of different systems with different responsibilities even though they may play what is considered to be the same position. It's more than just looking at a guy and saying whether he's good or not. Because what he's good at in college may be different from what he would be asked to do in the pros.

To give you an example, two guys who were compared at length as extremely similar players were Russell Wilson and Manziel. They are similar size and similar athletes with somewhat similar abilities. But I had a 1st round grade on Wilson when nobody else did because of how I felt that his particular set of skills translated to the next level. Then Manziel comes out, who people think is very similar, but I had a 3rd round grade on him because I didn't see his tools translating to the next level in the same way. Both were very good in college and helped their team win. But to me they project to the next level of football in drastically different ways.

I'm also a coach, so that may change the way I look at it. That's what we do (at least at my school). We don't get to pick our players, and so each kid we get has to be evaluated for what he brings to the table, what he's good at and what he's not good at. A kid being good and helping his team win are two different things and they are so dependent on things that are totally out of the kid's control that it's impossible to make a true projection of the kid's abilities just looking at it that way. At least in my opinion.
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I'm not far from that point of view. Identifying skills is just part of the evaluation. Finding out how well they can be coached up to utilize those skills to bring about success is just the hardest part of the evaluation. Is it their fault or the fault of those surrounding them that YOU can change for the better?
 
Cook is getting torn apart by evaluators for his decision to skip the Senior Bowl. A lot of the knocks on him are similar to the knocks on McCarron. Scouts want to see him in an a different environment away from the ultra-successful MSU system that has churned out multiple mediocre NFL QB's over the years. Scouts were also interested to see how he would interact with other players from across the country because there have been many accusations labeled against his attitude and leadership ability.

His teammate, WR Aaron Burbridge, accepted his SB invite. Good for him. He has a chance to really elevate his stock after going under the radar for much of the year.
 
Am I the only one thrilled that Connor Cook's draft stock has fallen so much? There's now a legitimate chance the Houston Texans will be able to draft him. He's the guy I wanted all along. When we were 1-4 I thought we'd draft him in the top 10. As we got hot as a team I gave up hope that we'd be in position to draft him. Now he could fall into our laps.
 
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