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Connor Barwin is a Texan!

And what exactly are Mario Williams, Amobi Okoye, Antonio Smith, Cato June, Bulman....

Wow...I knew the Koolaid was strong.....but wow.

I really hope he can be another Bulman....if he can great...If he can stop a 4th and 8 great...

I still think we could have waited on this position.

I'm not sure what Koolaid you're talking about, but clearly you've been drinking some in regards to Tim Bulman.

to answer your questions:

1. Cato June is a small LB.
2. Antonio Smith is a LDE/3 technique DT
3. Amobi Okoye is a DT
4. Tim Bulman is a borderline NFL player that tries hard and can play multiple positions but is very limited
5. Mario Williams is an excellent DE with less than elite speed rushing ability.

We do not have a player like Connor Barwin on the team. It remains to be seen if he will make a good NFL player, but he definitely offers abilities that this team needs and doesn't have.
 
the more I read on this guy, and watch clips, the more I am excited about him. He has the potential to make even more of an impact on this team than Cushing.

As with all college players moving to the NFL, it's always a wait and see game. Who would have thought we'd have gotten a better Reggie Bush in the third round like we did with Slaton? Reggie Bush was supposed to transform the NFL RB postion, he hasn't done squat to justify where he was taken, and Slaton is DA MAN!

As I said elsewhere, this is a fantastic pick.....on paper and in theory. Like anyone else, until they put on the pads and play we don't know a damn thing.
 
To sum this up in a few short words. Barwin will turn out to be our Demeco Ryans of the 2009 draft. There I said it, mark it down y'all are gonna love this guy.
 
I think I am more excited about Barwin than Cushing.

A versitile, high energy, bone-jarring tackler, catch the ball on 3rd down and make a first down running through defenders. A special teams gunner, punt/kick blocker. If he is half as good as his writeups our defense just got a lot better. Sounds like a fun guy to watch play.
 
To sum this up in a few short words. Barwin will turn out to be our Demeco Ryans of the 2009 draft. There I said it, mark it down y'all are gonna love this guy.

All I can say is, "I sure hope so," because we passed on some pretty good picks. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt; he's a Texan now.

edit: He doesn't have to be as good as Demeco; just good. Don't want to sound like I'm demanding that much.
 
Most college football players are projects! ... particularly after the first round!

In the case of Barwin, he's going to have an immediate impact on passing downs and on Special Teams. We desperately needed a pure pass rusher.

You're nuts if you think someone like William Moore could immediately step in and play safety at a high level. He'd be a project too.

We need good football players. That's it! Barwin looks to be one. I hope Cushing is also.

We still have 6 of our 8 picks left. There is plenty of opportunity to address our needs: Safety, RB, OC/OG. Relax!





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Nothing in the draft is for sure. But for all that has collectively been gathered on this guy, I'll take a chance in the 2nd round with little reservation.

[From a Chicago Tribune article this month-LINK

"Close to 50 percent of the picks in the first round are busts, and of those who are not, about half of them become rank-and-file players," Angelo [Jerry Angelo-Bears G.M.] said.

Some of the problems with first-rounders, as Angelo sees it:

•Expectations are unrealistically high. If a first-round pick is anything less than All-Pro, he often is labeled a "bust."

•They are paid an inordinate amount of money that many never justify. There is talk of a rookie wage scale being part of the next collective bargaining agreement, and that would address this issue.

•A large percentage of first-rounders are juniors, and many of them are not ready to play in the NFL. This year as many as 17 underclassmen could be taken in the first round — more than half of the selections.

•With the way coaches and schemes change so frequently, first-round picks often are obsolete by the time they figure out what they are doing.

•There is a large group of players, maybe 25, who could be considered late first-rounders or early second-rounders. There isn't much difference between the best and the worst in the group, and the ones picked in the second round will be more affordable and face lower expectations.

•Injuries that can't be predicted can derail the careers of first-round draft picks. It has happened to the Bears repeatedly.
 
For what its worth, Charlie Casserly thinks that Cushing is "All Right" but really likes the Connor Barwin pick. No link, he just said it on NFL Network.

I know how well everyone appreciates CC's opinions here.

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And what exactly are Mario Williams, Amobi Okoye, Antonio Smith, Cato June, Bulman....

Wow...I knew the Koolaid was strong.....but wow.

I really hope he can be another Bulman....if he can great...If he can stop a 4th and 8 great...

I still think we could have waited on this position.

Sorry, I'm just glad you are not making our picks...
 
I'm hoping the Texans trade down into the late 1st round/early 2nd and draft Conor Barwin. I think he fits the mold that we've been drafting in the 1st (raw talent, very good athlete that just needs to be developed).

I also dont see much of a dropoff from what he can become for us and what we'd be drafting ahead of him. I would enjoy the extra picks we'd have in a trade down and more opportunities for Smithiak to find another steal.

I was wrong thinking they'd take Matthews over Cushing if Jenkins wasn't on the board but i'm not too upset about it. Cushing is gonna be the Lance Briggs to our Brian Urlacher.

Needless to say, I am ecstatic we got Barwin and think he's the steal of the draft. People wanted to know who wanted Barwin on here, well I wanted him and I would've taken him late 1st if we could've traded down. I think he is the steal of the draft and is gonna be the yin to Mario's yang for the next 10+ years!!!
 
I went to high school just out of Cincy, and one of my best friends went to UC. He would gush about Barwin, I made fun of him quite alot for his man-crush. But Connor Barwin is legit. Fast, strong, explosive, a team guy, and potential. I agree with those who say this guy will be the steal of the draft on defense.
 
I didn't think the Texans would go after one of the tweener type pass rushers but I think they grabbed probably one of the best 3. Matthews and Ayers probably beat him out for me but that's beside the point...

With Moore, Unger, Sean Smith, Michael Johnson?...all still available...geez, that's tough to swallow but I'll bet this kid turns into SOMETHING for our defense.
 
Now that we have our "big ugly" in Antoine Caldwell I'm ever happier about this pick than I was yesterday.

Great day to be a Texan IMO.
 
No RB...NO SS...CB ...4th round a need filled....I guess Barwin can play in the secondary and give Slaton a rest....

outside of Cushing......draft is marginal at best.
 
Not like EVERY need is filled at draft time. There is still UDFA, June cap cuts and the possibility of trades. Every hole is not filled every year. This isn't Madden.
 
Not like EVERY need is filled at draft time. There is still UDFA, June cap cuts and the possibility of trades. Every hole is not filled every year. This isn't Madden.

Have you been satisfied with our latest RB acquisitions through FA lately?
How is AHman working out...

Cris Brown...
or are you waiting on Darius Walker to have his day.

This isnt Madden...it feels like team is not taking precautions to shore up needs... you would think the Texans would reinforce their positions of need...not draft projects.
 
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When Selvin Young, Ryan Torain, Peyton Hillis, etc. are all cut from the Broncos, it's pretty much guaranteed the Texans will snatch them up. The Broncos already signed 2 more FA's and then drafted Moreno. Those guys above have no shot at staying on the roster.
 
No RB...NO SS...CB ...4th round a need filled....I guess Barwin can play in the secondary and give Slaton a rest....

outside of Cushing......draft is marginal at best.
Well maybe one of the RB's in the 2nd round could have rushed the passer or dropped back in coverage on defense... just wondering...
 
Have you been satisfied with our latest RB acquisitions through FA lately?
How is AHman working out...

Cris Brown...
or are you waiting on Darius Walker to have his day.

This isnt Madden...it feels like team is not taking precautions to shore up needs... you would think the Texans would reinforce their positions of need...not draft projects.

I'm sure the FO gives a rats tail what I feel about.

Have we had issues w/our RBs. Of course. Have they tried? Yes. What else do you want? Every pick and FA pick up isn't going to strike gold.

Green and Brown have cost of close to nothing. Funny no mention of Moats who did pretty good.

I'm fine w/the picks and looking forward to seeing what else happens.
 
Well maybe one of the RB's in the 2nd round could have rushed the passer or dropped back in coverage on defense... just wondering...

we have plenty of pass rushers...SS could have dropped into coverage and rushed qb. At second round we would have gotten first round quality secondary player which was higher need then first round quality DE drafted in second round.

passing on rashad johnson in third round was a bad miss as well..he played well in the best league in college football
 
we have plenty of pass rushers...SS could have dropped into coverage and rushed qb. At second round we would have gotten first round quality secondary player which was higher need then first round quality DE drafted in second round.


As evident by our vast ability to rush the passer and get sacks last year?

Our Offense ranked what 3 or 4 and our D ranked 22nd. Where do you think the problem is?
 
Not like EVERY need is filled at draft time. There is still UDFA, June cap cuts and the possibility of trades. Every hole is not filled every year. This isn't Madden.
indeed...of all the positions we have some sort of need, I'm probably least worried about back up RB. We can get a back someplace.
 
When Selvin Young, Ryan Torain, Peyton Hillis, etc. are all cut from the Broncos, it's pretty much guaranteed the Texans will snatch them up. The Broncos already signed 2 more FA's and then drafted Moreno. Those guys above have no shot at staying on the roster.

Hillis, if Broncos don't keep him as a FB.
 
As evident by our vast ability to rush the passer and get sacks last year?

Our Offense ranked what 3 or 4 and our D ranked 22nd. Where do you think the problem is?

We fired the guy..I thought...see the fire Richard Smith threads also got rid of Petey Faggins...quarterbacks under presure threw at him and since he was 8 yards off the man he was covering...made completions.
 
indeed...of all the positions we have some sort of need, I'm probably least worried about back up RB. We can get a back someplace.

I am worried because 3 out of last 4 years our running game sucked..if the running game goes there goes the offense.

Rb acquisitions through FA have left much to be desired.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwGkH6LkpE8 he talks about running a 4.47 at 250 lbs here

I am worried because 3 out of last 4 years our running game sucked..if the running game goes there goes the offense.

Rb acquisitions through FA have left much to be desired.
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I am worried because 3 out of last 4 years our running game sucked..if the running game goes there goes the offense.

Rb acquisitions through FA have left much to be desired.

They will pick a guy in the 6th who'll get 4.5 yds a pop . I'm saying it's Peerman .

See my avatar , that's Barwin playing basketball at Cinncinati .
 
we have plenty of pass rushers...

We have plenty of pass rushers, like Bulman, who SUCK. We didn't get 25 sacks last year because the pass rushers we had were any good. If we didn't have Mario, we would have had less sacks than the Chiefs (who had 10). Mario SHOULD make things easier for the other players.

Getting a situational pass rusher was one of our main goals in this draft.
 
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I wasn't a huge fan of this pick at first. I wasn't really upset with it, but wasn't thrilled. After re-thinking it, I really see Jared Allen talent. Explosive with good size and relentless. I'm telling you, this is our DE.
 
Trey Wingo mentioned that we have now a very good front seven. I think he may be correct and I suspect that we will be a much tougher out with the improved defense.
 
I wasn't a huge fan of this pick at first. I wasn't really upset with it, but wasn't thrilled. After re-thinking it, I really see Jared Allen talent. Explosive with good size and relentless. I'm telling you, this is our DE.

I've noticed a trend with the Texans . In order for them to be able to draft a talented DE ... they have to sign one as a FA .
 
I'll be the first to admit that I didn't like what I saw out of this guy. After seeing more film on him, he reminds me of Ray Childress for some reason. I said Babin earlier because all I ever saw him doing was spin moves.

Then I hear he was a converted TE and in his first season as DE he had 11 sacks. He also said he found a new passion for being on defense. That has some good sound to it.

This is what 1560's John Harris told me about silly Babin comparisons, which is just one man's opinion but someone who watches more college football than I can imagine:

"...the Texans needed defensive play makers. One of my worries, though, is some people will see him as another Jason Babin. Rest assured, he's not Jason Babin. Babin couldn't hold this kid's jock."
 
This has the feel of a NE pick.

BTW, he was considered a plowing roadgrader TE blocker on goal-line plays........still a potential as a change of pace versatility use on the offense side.

This is from WalterFootball.com as of this morning:

Barwin is drawing comparisons to Mike Vrabel, so he could be a candidate to go to New England at No. 23. I can't see him falling past this selection.

Heh, Mike Vrabel was my first thought when I saw we drafted this guy. With all the red zone woes we've had, I immediately thought, "How many TDs has Mike Vrabel caught in his career?" This guy can make his mark on defense, then come in declare eligible in goal line situations.

I love the pick. In fact, Cushing is about the only pick that I'm not ecstatic about, and I'm confident that one will work out as well.
 
I don't see Barwin coming in on offense in goal line situations. Anthony Hill is a better blocker than Pettigrew.

Put Hill on the end of the line with Casey on top of him and Daniels on the other side. We can run or pass out of that.
 
I don't see Barwin coming in on offense in goal line situations. Anthony Hill is a better blocker than Pettigrew.

Put Hill on the end of the line with Casey on top of him and Daniels on the other side. We can run or pass out of that.

That's true ... that would help out Brown a ton .
 
I don't see Barwin coming in on offense in goal line situations. Anthony Hill is a better blocker than Pettigrew.

Put Hill on the end of the line with Casey on top of him and Daniels on the other side. We can run or pass out of that.

It's not that he'll come in on offense in GL situations as a matter of course, but I could totally see him coming in a la Vrabel and snagging a few TD passes. He's versatile enough to do it, and it's an added wrinkle for the defense to figure out. I don't mean to say he'll be a regular part of a GL package or anything, though.
 
Agree. Our main problem on offense is that we are ineffective in the red zone. It seems to me that Hill's primary purpose on our team will be to help us run inside the 20's.

In the live presser Kubiak said that Hill was mainly brought in to help us against the Sam in a 3-4 defense. Obviously he has other uses as well, though.
 
Going back and watching a few minutes of film on him, Barwin is very good at getting to the ball. He really is raw as a defensive player though. If you compare him to Cushing, it's very noticeable. Barwin has a surprising ability to get to the ball in the backfield, and he showed the ability to split-rush inside. However, when he gets to the ball, he doesn't have the fundamental tackle down yet. He doesn't really drive through the ball, instead he tries to arm tackle too often. It worked in the Big East, but that won't work as well in the NFL. However, he also left a few sacks on the field because it's not too difficult to break arm tackles. What does this mean? It means that Barwin excels at getting behind the LOS, and that with some basic technique development he could very easily be a great pass-rusher. He is explosive when lined up outside of the outside shoulder. I think he is another Jared Allen in the making to be honest.
 
Going back and watching a few minutes of film on him, Barwin is very good at getting to the ball. He really is raw as a defensive player though. If you compare him to Cushing, it's very noticeable. Barwin has a surprising ability to get to the ball in the backfield, and he showed the ability to split-rush inside. However, when he gets to the ball, he doesn't have the fundamental tackle down yet. He doesn't really drive through the ball, instead he tries to arm tackle too often. It worked in the Big East, but that won't work as well in the NFL. However, he also left a few sacks on the field because it's not too difficult to break arm tackles. What does this mean? It means that Barwin excels at getting behind the LOS, and that with some basic technique development he could very easily be a great pass-rusher. He is explosive when lined up outside of the outside shoulder. I think he is another Jared Allen in the making to be honest.


If I could plea bargain , I'd take that .
 
Going back and watching a few minutes of film on him, Barwin is very good at getting to the ball. He really is raw as a defensive player though. If you compare him to Cushing, it's very noticeable. Barwin has a surprising ability to get to the ball in the backfield, and he showed the ability to split-rush inside. However, when he gets to the ball, he doesn't have the fundamental tackle down yet. He doesn't really drive through the ball, instead he tries to arm tackle too often. It worked in the Big East, but that won't work as well in the NFL. However, he also left a few sacks on the field because it's not too difficult to break arm tackles. What does this mean? It means that Barwin excels at getting behind the LOS, and that with some basic technique development he could very easily be a great pass-rusher. He is explosive when lined up outside of the outside shoulder. I think he is another Jared Allen in the making to be honest.

It should also mean Mario will get to the QB more often, since the QB won't be able to slide a foot or two to the opposite side as easily. Paper or plastic, Sir? :D
 
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