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Complete total a** rape by the officials

I couldn't get this out of my mind today but even Mike Mayock was talking about questionable calls (more than one) and I was kinda half joking (in my thoughts) about if he will be announcing games next year for the NFL Network... esp with a few comments about the refs


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Wolf said:
I couldn't get this out of my mind today but even Mike Mayock was talking about questionable calls (more than one) and I was kinda half joking (in my thoughts) about if he will be announcing games next year for the NFL Network... esp with a few comments about the refs


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Air Canada said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_3aIL9YaNA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWypIbdRNmM&feature=youtu.be

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^ ^ Mayock was all over that ish...
 
Dutchrudder said:
I absolutely hate this line of thinking. Sure the offense wasn't doing its job, and hasn't been since Schaub went down, but the defense was playing incredibly well the whole game. Limiting the Colts to 5 FG attempts and no TDs is great (aside from the BS one at the end). That last drive was complete bullshit. No way around it, the refs gave the Colts 8 shots at the end zone and they were bound to score on one of them..
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I hate that thinking too. In fact, every time I see something like that brought up, I want to gather them and put them on a space rocket aimed at the sun.
 
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Oh! Now lookee here what dropped out of my ass!
 
Has there been any official news/statement from the league office or from the Texans regarding the "officiating" against the Colts? The Texans surely filed some sort of complaint with the league after that debacle.
 
Nawzer said:
Has there been any official news/statement from the league office or from the Texans regarding the "officiating" against the Colts? The Texans surely filed some sort of complaint with the league after that debacle.
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Anyone? anyone? Bueller?
 
Nawzer said:
Has there been any official news/statement from the league office or from the Texans regarding the "officiating" against the Colts? The Texans surely filed some sort of complaint with the league after that debacle.
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mussop said:
Anyone? anyone? Bueller?
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As far as I can remember, the only time there has been a public apology by the NFL concerning their refs is when the mistake was made on a touchdown play that definitively altered the result of a game. Since the rules have now come to require all touchdown plays (which may have been established to avoid such a scenario), the public may never again be "treated" to a public apology. Most likely, they will all be handled "internally" with possible answers given to team front offices under the requirement that the information is not shared.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As far as I can remember, the only time there has been a public apology by the NFL concerning their refs is when the mistake was made on a touchdown play that definitively altered the result of a game. Since the rules have now come to require all touchdown plays (which may have been established to avoid such a scenario), the public may never again be "treated" to a public apology. Most likely, they will all be handled "internally" with possible answers given to team front offices under the requirement that the information is not shared.
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I don't know if any of these would actually be classified as an "apology", but it hasn't been that rare to see the NFL admit blown calls (which is absolutely not to imply that they do it every time). Here's a few examples - all from this season:

Harper: NFL admits flag was wrong for hit on Cutler

NFL admits bad spot gave 49ers five free yards

NFL admits Marshall’s hit on Newton was legal

Also, while I didn't find anything to link to (nor did I try too hard), I remember it being reported that the NFL acknowledged that the pass that Arian Foster was ruled to have caught and fumbled in the Bengals game was never actually controlled - even though the ruling of a catch and a fumble was upheld via replay review.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As far as I can remember, the only time there has been a public apology by the NFL concerning their refs is when the mistake was made on a touchdown play that definitively altered the result of a game. Since the rules have now come to require all touchdown plays (which may have been established to avoid such a scenario), the public may never again be "treated" to a public apology. Most likely, they will all be handled "internally" with possible answers given to team front offices under the requirement that the information is not shared.
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I'm not looking for an apology (although that would be a nice for a change) but some sort of acknowledgement from the NFL and the crew that mistakes were made.
 
Haven't posted since the loss but honestly I wasn't too beat up over it. We played like crap and got beat, we were a long shot to get a bye and honestly playing in the wild card round gives us a better (albeit still longshot) chance to win a playoff game.

But.... When I think about the ref throwing that flag on JJ Watt for his first roughing penalty it gets my blood boiling something awful. Still. 5 days later.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I don't know if any of these would actually be classified as an "apology", but it hasn't been that rare to see the NFL admit blown calls (which is absolutely not to imply that they do it every time). Here's a few examples - all from this season:

Harper: NFL admits flag was wrong for hit on Cutler

NFL admits bad spot gave 49ers five free yards

NFL admits Marshall’s hit on Newton was legal

Also, while I didn't find anything to link to (nor did I try too hard), I remember it being reported that the NFL acknowledged that the pass that Arian Foster was ruled to have caught and fumbled in the Bengals game was never actually controlled - even though the ruling of a catch and a fumble was upheld via replay review.
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Kellen Winslow's non touchdown pass with the Bucs.........cost the game.

The ultimate screw job when the refs miss FOUR critical scoring play calls........with replay review.:
League admits to two touchdown errors in Sunday night game
PFT Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 25, 2010, 5:44 PM EST

Sunday night’s Vikings-Packers game contained enough layers and wrinkles to justify 100 different items.

The one that had the most impact on the outcome came from the inability of the officials patrolling the end zone to do their jobs properly, in real time and/or under the replay hood.

The availability of replay review is no substitute for getting it right in the first instance. On two separate occasions with scoring plays on the line, the officials got it wrong.

On the third occasion, referee Scott Green simply botched the replay review.

And all three calls worked against the team that lost by four points.

On the second play of the second quarter, a touchdown pass from Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers to tight end Andrew Quarless should have been ruled an incompletion. Quarless bobbled the ball after he landed out of bounds. (In the field of play, it’s OK to bobble the ball when hitting the ground as long as the ball doesn’t touch the ground. When landing out of bounds, possession must be maintained without bobbling. And, yes, these rules are indeed simple and clear.)

Though Vikings coach Brad Childress inexplicably failed to throw the challenge flag, the officials should be expected to be in position to see whether or not a pass is complete, especially in the end zone.

Later in the quarter, Vikings tight end Visanthe Shiancoe made a diving catch in the end zone, after running back Adrian Peterson bought time for quarterback Brett Favre with a crushing block on a blitzing linebacker. Though the ball hit the ground, the ball never moved. The call on the field was correct.

NBC’s Al Michaels Cris Collinsworth agreed. As Collinsworth said during the broadcast, “Because he never lost control of the football, I’d be very surprised if this one gets overturned.”

Added Collinsworth: “But I’ve been surprised a few times in the past, too.”

The Packers challenged, and referee Scott Green took away the touchdown, explaining that Shiancoe had “used the ground to help make the catch.”

Whatever that means.

The league office apparently doesn’t understand, either. Per Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, coach Brad Childress said on Monday that the league office has informed him the call had been blown.

Then, on the final drive of the night, Vikings receiver Percy Harvin made a catch at the back of the end zone that appeared to give the Vikings a stirring come-from-behind win. In real time, it was obvious that Harvin couldn’t have gotten both feet down. But an official, who was right on top of the play, concluded that Harvin did, and the official called it a touchdown.

And so the Vikings offense, after celebrating the “oh my heavens!“-style win, had to process the fact that their jubilation was moot.

Yes, Green got it right when he went under the hood, but the Vikings never should have been permitted to even think that they had won the game. Though they’re all pros and they know they have to refocus and proceed, it’s far easier said than done in the heat of the moment.

Thus, while we prefer the coach Brad Childress not publicly whine about the officiating in a game in which he made his fair share of mistakes, he has the right to be at least quietly upset.

Vikings fans can choose to direct their anger at any one of five or six different culprits.

UPDATE: As a reader points out, there was another touchdown that incorrectly was awarded and then wiped off the board on replay review. The Vikings scored a touchdown on the next play, so it wasn’t as big deal.
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I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't question anything right now because if we show the NFL and the world how wrong they are, they will make it up to us in the worse way during the playoffs.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As far as I can remember, the only time there has been a public apology by the NFL concerning their refs is when the mistake was made on a touchdown play that definitively altered the result of a game. Since the rules have now come to require all touchdown plays (which may have been established to avoid such a scenario), the public may never again be "treated" to a public apology. Most likely, they will all be handled "internally" with possible answers given to team front offices under the requirement that the information is not shared.
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When Mike Perreira (sp?) was in charge of officiating he would pretty routinely admit mistakes in his NFLNetwork segment. I don't believe the teams are allowed to say anything about the NFL response to their submissions each week.

And yes we got screwed out of a win in that game. Played bad yes but the refs still gave the game away. Epically bad officiating.
 
Nawzer said:
Has there been any official news/statement from the league office or from the Texans regarding the "officiating" against the Colts? The Texans surely filed some sort of complaint with the league after that debacle.
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mussop said:
Anyone? anyone? Bueller?
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Nick Scurfield is usually the one to report back what the NFL ruled on the calls. Best I remember it's only if someone asks him about it later in the week.
 
fiasco west said:
On a slightly different note.

Why does it feel like every time Watt touches the opposing QB it's a roughing call?

Is there some stat on this? I'm sure he has like 5 of them this year and none of them justified.
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It's not just you. Watt (the poster boy of good living), gets more non-deserved roughing calls than anyone I've ever seen.

Texecutioner said:
There was nothing fixed about that game though. That's an excuse for losing. There was no call by the officials that was that bad. I hated those penalties at the end of the game, but the players were guilty of most of them.
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The abundance of calls that extended drives and the worst final drive officiating I've seen in my lifetime can account for the loss all by itself. Yes, it would have been better to have more Offense, but we were screwed from the first snap. If you take Colts points off the board when they had drives EXTENDED due to bad calls, they lose before the final drive starts. "Most of them" isn't a high-enough standard. Either you're SURE, or you don't throw the flag.

Double Barrel said:
The game never should have been in position to allow the refs to have an influence on a two minute drive.
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If it was only that two-minutes that was affected, I would agree. Yes, Kubes should have turned them loose and we'd be up by 16 at that point, but the refs went out of their way to make it difficult all night long.

Texecutioner said:
If the Texans would have won that game with the same calls by the officials in the Texans favor I highly doubt that people would be in here saying that the game was fixed for the Texans and that we didn't really win it.
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Perhaps, but some of us would also be the first ones to admit that the refs handed it to us.

Air Canada said:
The last drive was pathetic... Also peep this...

Jerome Boger did ref the game last night... He did Indy @ Tenn. week #8 Tenn. -9 beat Indy 27-10... Teams that have won with him the first game have lost the second game with him in the same season as teams that lost with him in the first game have won the second game in the same season..... It may be a coincidence, but it has happened every time since 2008.

A friend of mine said... "**** was rigged, Vegas made a loooooot of money on that game..."

:kitten:
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Three years of that huh? Lovely. Hope we don't get his crew for a rematch with the Steelers in the Playoffs.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I don't know if any of these would actually be classified as an "apology", but it hasn't been that rare to see the NFL admit blown calls (which is absolutely not to imply that they do it every time). Here's a few examples - all from this season:

Harper: NFL admits flag was wrong for hit on Cutler

NFL admits bad spot gave 49ers five free yards

NFL admits Marshall’s hit on Newton was legal

Also, while I didn't find anything to link to (nor did I try too hard), I remember it being reported that the NFL acknowledged that the pass that Arian Foster was ruled to have caught and fumbled in the Bengals game was never actually controlled - even though the ruling of a catch and a fumble was upheld via replay review.
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Good post. Those links you posted prompted me to type "NFL admits" into a search engine. I don't know if they were incidents from this year or not, but there were quite a few hits.
 
Texecutioner said:
There are bad calls in every football game, but sorry I've seen calls way worse than what I witnessed last night.

To say the game was fixed in a meaningless game between two teams the NFL doesn't give a **** about is retarded. Hell, the media doesn't even pay attention to the Texans and they could give a crap about the Colts when Manning isn't out there. You play not to lose and keep it a super close game all the way to the end of the 4th quarter, and yeah any call from the officials can change things dramatically, but you shouldn't be there in the first place against an Orvlosky led Colts. If you can't put away an Orvlosky led Colts a lot easier than that, then you deserve to lose. Obviously Wade being out was a huge factor as well since the Texans can't even beat the Panthers or the Colts. Kubiak lost that game.

If anything this loss is a good thing in my eyes. It woke these bat **** crazy fans up that thought that Yates was capable of taking the Texans to the SB when he's a rookie tossed into the fire. It woke fans back up to the fact that Kubiak can't coach worth a damn without a guy like Wade Phillips on his side. And hopefully it will wake this team up going into the post season to where they'll play with a lot more intensity and heart going forward. Obviously the Texans bought into their own hype.

But blaming the refs and the NFL and saying the game was fixed is just weak. We lost.
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If you can't see what the league would have to gain from "fixing" this game, then I don't know what to tell you. If the Colts win out, it is almost a guarantee they can't draft Andrew Luck. Peyton has already said he doesn't want to play with Luck and would basically demand a trade if the Colts draft Luck. But if the Colts get the #1 pick, they are nuts if they don't draft Luck. And we all know Peyton is the darling of the NFL.

So basically, the Colts beating the Texans in an otherwise meaningless game almost eliminates the possibility of a QB controversy in Indy.

It comes down to this: if Indy wins in Week 17 and there are more questionable calls, then I think we can say with just about 100% certainty that it was a conspiracy. Oh and to top it all off if Minnesota ends up with the first pick and gets Luck, well that benefits the NFL in a huge way if the Vikings end up being the team that moves to LA.
 
Minny just drafted Ponder; why would they want Luck? I don't recall Ponder being as bad as Gabbert, but am I missing something?
 
Dishman said:
Minny just drafted Ponder; why would they want Luck? I don't recall Ponder being as bad as Gabbert, but am I missing something?
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Ponder flat out does not have near the potential as Luck. Whether or not Luck will reach his full potential no one knows but Ponder's ceiling is Tony Romo. Luck's ceiling is Aaron Rodgers. When you have a chance to draft Aaron Rodgers to replace Tony Romo, I'd say you do so 100 times out of 100. Not to mention you are going to get more fans in the building to see Luck just based off the hype than you ever would get to see Ponder. They could then trade Ponder for possibly a first round pick or at worst a second rounder.
 
Say Watt said:
If you can't see what the league would have to gain from "fixing" this game, then I don't know what to tell you. If the Colts win out, it is almost a guarantee they can't draft Andrew Luck. Peyton has already said he doesn't want to play with Luck and would basically demand a trade if the Colts draft Luck. But if the Colts get the #1 pick, they are nuts if they don't draft Luck. And we all know Peyton is the darling of the NFL.
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Even if the Colts end up second to the Rams, Luck will be there.

Unless there's a trade & yada, yada, yada.....

The league didn't have a problem with Montana going to KC, or Emmit going to Arizona.... Reggie White going to Greenbay, Farve going to the Jets, then Minnesota.

I don't think "the league" would fix a game to keep Manning in Baltimore.
 
thunderkyss said:
Even if the Colts end up second to the Rams, Luck will be there.

Unless there's a trade & yada, yada, yada.....

The league didn't have a problem with Montana going to KC, or Emmit going to Arizona.... Reggie White going to Greenbay, Farve going to the Jets, then Minnesota.

I don't think "the league" would fix a game to keep Manning in Baltimore.
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I think you underestimate the league's love of Peyton Manning. He is their poster boy. There was nothing the league could do to stop Favre from going to the Jets. San Fran was done with Montana no matter how much the league protested. The same goes for Emmit. I don't remember White's situation for why he left but once again, it was a situation where there was nothing the powers that be could do. But there is something they can do in this situation: keep Indy from getting the #1 pick. Just like in the case of Minny, I'm not sold that if the Rams get the #1 pick, that they won't draft Luck and trade Bradford. With his inability to stay healthy, they might consider parting with him to get the next great QB.

Anyway, this isn't a thread about Luck. I say we wait and see, as I stated above, what happens this weekend.
 
thunderkyss said:
Even if the Colts end up second to the Rams, Luck will be there.

Unless there's a trade & yada, yada, yada.....

The league didn't have a problem with Montana going to KC, or Emmit going to Arizona.... Reggie White going to Greenbay, Farve going to the Jets, then Minnesota.

I don't think "the league" would fix a game to keep Manning in Baltimore.
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Do my eyes deceive me or is your age showing? :)

I sometimes refer to the Colts as "Baltimore" too. Not sure why because they've been moved for as long as any recent carpet-bagger franchise out there. I never call the Cardinals "St Louis" or the Rams "LA" but the Colts still feel like Baltimore to me sometimes.
 
soo.... have the Texans gotten a response back from the league on the 6-7 plays the Texans sent in to them?

Not that it matters, I am just curious on the response (yeah, I know if the officials were wrong, they league would say "oops")


that was dec 23rd.

“Eleven penalties, obviously I don’t agree with all of them, but that’s neither here nor there,” Kubiak said. “Our job’s to keep playing and play through mistakes and play through issues. We had our chances to do that, and we didn’t do it. We’ll turn them into the league. We got to make sure we’re on the same page because a few of those we just don’t understand why they were roughing calls.

"I’ll wait to hear back from the league and we’ll make sure we address it as a group and players take responsibility for it and coaches and move forward.”
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Say Watt said:
If you can't see what the league would have to gain from "fixing" this game, then I don't know what to tell you. If the Colts win out, it is almost a guarantee they can't draft Andrew Luck. Peyton has already said he doesn't want to play with Luck and would basically demand a trade if the Colts draft Luck. But if the Colts get the #1 pick, they are nuts if they don't draft Luck. And we all know Peyton is the darling of the NFL.

So basically, the Colts beating the Texans in an otherwise meaningless game almost eliminates the possibility of a QB controversy in Indy.

It comes down to this: if Indy wins in Week 17 and there are more questionable calls, then I think we can say with just about 100% certainty that it was a conspiracy. Oh and to top it all off if Minnesota ends up with the first pick and gets Luck, well that benefits the NFL in a huge way if the Vikings end up being the team that moves to LA.
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My first irrational thought was the same as yours but then as always I ask myself what does each party have to gain/lose. The gain to the league collectively from the above scenario is minimal to average and a ref scandal of any variety would DESTROY the league for YEARS(billions lost vs millions gained). Not a chance, this is just a case of stupid ass reffing.
 
If anything, the NFL would WANT the Colts to end up with Luck, because if he pans out, then a small market team would have multiple more years of relevance after arguably the best QB of all-time retires.
 
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