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Colts get Trent Richardson from Browns

Texecutioner said:
It definitely sounds like sour grapes on your part when you completely dismiss the fact that a very good division rival just got a stud RB that was a top 5 pick just last season who has fresh young legs, and you act like it's some sort of guarantee that the Texans will eat his lunch. If it isn't sour grapes it's just homerism getting in the way of rationale thinking.
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You can dismiss my comments and characterize them however you wish. I've been a Browns fan for over 56 yrs. I've seen some damn good running backs. All I was trying to do was add the perspective of a fan that has watched every snap of every Browns game at least once since Sunday Ticket came out. You seem to be scared of Trent. I was trying to give a little perspective.

I was being rational---you are the one jumping to conclusions.
 
texdawg said:
You can dismiss my comments and characterize them however you wish. I've been a Browns fan for over 56 yrs. I've seen some damn good running backs. All I was trying to do was add the perspective of a fan that has watched every snap of every Browns game at least once since Sunday Ticket came out. You seem to be scared of Trent. I was trying to give a little perspective.

I was being rational---you are the one jumping to conclusions.
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You can't dismiss the fact that your passing game is anemic and has been since Richardson's arrival. Icak's point about Slaton is invalid for the same reason; the Texans had a good passing attack back then. It wasn't good by today's standards but far better than what the Browns are trotting out there. Im assuming he means Slaton, although Slaton was a 3rd rounder. Peterson is the only guy I have ever seen that could run through a consistently stacked LOS when his team had an anemic passing attack. The Vikings are better passing than the Browns are too. I watched the Dolphins - Browns game and outside or their TE, Browns receivers seemed like they dropped more balls than they caught, it was embarrassing.

When you watch the Browns, Richardson is almost always met at the LOS by a clean defender. His 9 yard gains come with 2 or 3 broken tackles.
 
TexansSeminole said:
You can't dismiss the fact that your passing game is anemic and has been since Richardson's arrival. Icak's point about Slaton is invalid for the same reason; the Texans had a good passing attack back then.
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Man couldn't get anything by you, well other than I was talking about Domanick Williams.

Slaton was a 3rd round pick and averaged 1.2 ypc more than Richardson.
 
Browns front office panicked when they saw how truly awful the Jaguars are, so they decided to throw away the 2013 season after 2 games to get into next year's draft's top QB pick. Mike Lombardi will be making the selection -- let's hope he makes the right choice, because there are mistakes in the top group.

Long-suffering Browns fans get to suffer even more. Welcome to Astrosville, Cleveland. Again.

:bag:
 
infantrycak said:
Man couldn't get anything by you, well other than I was talking about Domanick Williams.

Slaton was a 3rd round pick and averaged 1.2 ypc more than Richardson.
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Well hell, I didn't look up the exact YPC numbers and your post was pretty vague. That team was still better passing the ball than this or last year's Browns team. Have you seem them play? They are atrocious.

They also don't commit to running the ball. That Dolphins game was close enough throughout for them to not abandon their game plan and they threw it 53 times, ran it 13 times, this is without a receiver that you would consider anything above decent. Weeden is on track for 88 sacks, 24 interceptions.
 
TexansSeminole said:
You can't dismiss the fact that your passing game is anemic and has been since Richardson's arrival. Icak's point about Slaton is invalid for the same reason; the Texans had a good passing attack back then. It wasn't good by today's standards but far better than what the Browns are trotting out there. Im assuming he means Slaton, although Slaton was a 3rd rounder. Peterson is the only guy I have ever seen that could run through a consistently stacked LOS when his team had an anemic passing attack. The Vikings are better passing than the Browns are too. I watched the Dolphins - Browns game and outside or their TE, Browns receivers seemed like they dropped more balls than they caught, it was embarrassing.

When you watch the Browns, Richardson is almost always met at the LOS by a clean defender. His 9 yard gains come with 2 or 3 broken tackles.
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... pretty sure he meant Domanick Davis.. and yes that was a "anemic passing attack", Davis was pretty much THE passing attack as Carr would rarely look down field during those seasons. Also, what MJD has basically played with his ENTIRE CAREER has been a anemic passing attack. (hell he won a rushing title with Blaine Gabbert). Stephen Jackson for a good portion of his career played in crappy offenses and was the only real weapon.

I'm not buying the anemic passing attack excuse. Top drafted RBs genuinely go to bad teams. There's been plenty of examples of players even late round players who were able to run more consistently effective. Jamaal Charles is another one and he was a third rounder.
 
Carr Bombed said:
... pretty sure he meant Domanick Davis.. and yes that was a "anemic passing attack", Davis was pretty much THE passing attack as Carr would rarely look down field during those seasons. Also, what MJD has basically played with his ENTIRE CAREER has been a anemic passing attack. (hell he won a rushing title with Blaine Gabbert). Stephen Jackson for a good portion of his career played in crappy offenses and was the only real weapon.

I'm not buying the anemic passing attack excuse. Top drafted RBs genuinely go to bad teams. There's been plenty of examples of players even late round players who were able to run more consistently effective. Jamaal Charles is another one and he was a third rounder.
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You ought to go back and watch the Browns play.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I have seen them play... they suck. I've also seen plenty of other crappy teams play.. including some very crappy Houston Texans teams.
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I guess we'll revisit this when Richardson gets some time in that Indy offense. By the way, you're point about the Browns line being better than the Colts line is inaccurate as well. The Browns can't run block or pass protect, they've given up 11 sacks in two games. I say that knowing the Colts do not have great run blockers. The Browns are that bad.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I guess we'll revisit this when Richardson gets some time in that Indy offense. By the way, you're point about the Browns line being better than the Colts line is inaccurate as well. The Browns can't run block or pass protect, they've given up 11 sacks in two games. I say that knowing the Colts do not have great run blockers. The Browns are that bad.
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And the Colts have given up 7 sacks in two game.... on 20 less pass attempts and despite having a much more mobile and superior QB

In 2012 Luck was sacked 41 times on 110 more attempts... Weeden was sacked 28 times...
 
NFL running backs are like automobiles, as soon as they are drafted (or driven off of the lot), they begin to rapidly depreciate. The Colts have way overpaid for a used running back when there are many other good ones out there who can be had for far, far less than a first round pick.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
950 yards, 11 rushing TDs and 51 receptions for almost 400 yards and a TD is pretty damn nice for a rookie. Especially one with an overall garbage offense in Cleveland.
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Thanks for being the voice of reason. It's like people didn't watch or pay attention last year. Colts got a lot better. The guy can run for power, catch the ball and just got a real QB to take pressure off of him carrying the team.

And if it isn't obvious to those ignoring it, the Browns were going nowhere with a nice back. They just mortgaged a season to get picks for a QB in a QB year. End of story.
 
Anyone watch the Browns first game this year? Opened with a couple running plays, and Richardson was getting some nice runs in. Then, for some reason, they completely went away from the run and let Weeden keep throwing interceptions and getting sacked. Something's rotten in Cleveland, and I don't think it was Richardson. Everyone was questioning their decision to not stick to the run game in week 1.

Last year, Richardson was facing stacked boxes on a team with no passing game who were always playing from behind. While having bruised ribs pretty much all season. Anyone who thinks this isn't an upgrade for the Colts and Richardson isn't that good just isn't paying attention to the details and only looking at 3.6 YPC.

According to number fire:

So far this season (and yes, I’m aware it’s only been two weeks), the Colts rank – wait for it - first in the league in adjusted rushing net expected points per play. With each carry, they’re doing more with the ball than any other NFL team. Again, like the Browns, this may be blowing your mind. But go ahead and take a look at even their raw numbers and you may be surprised. Vick Ballard, before his injury, had a nice 4.8 yards per carry average against the Raiders. Bradshaw ran effectively last week, bringing his season average to 4.1 yards per carry. Even Donald Brown has touched the ball seven times for 30 yards, people.
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http://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/1168/trent-richardson-to-the-colts-wait-what

So stop fixating on 3.6 and dig a little deeper. This is a good move for the Colts and potentially bad for us and further indication that the Browns are nowhere near being close to being good for a long while. This move is a little panicky to me from an organization that hasn't exactly had a track record of making good decisions. This is a team that's started 19 quarterbacks since 1999. Even the dark days of 2-14 were never as dark as the last 20 or so years for the Browns. Just ouch.
 
Just don't see the logic in spending a first on a RB nowadays. You can find pro bowl backs all over the draft (or even after the draft ;)).
 
I don't like this move as a Texans fan because it immediately makes the Colts better, especially after Ballard went down now they improved on the RB position.

They got the number 3 pick in last years draft for what will be a much higher pick, early on Colts sure seem to have gotten the better end.
 
I hate anything that makes the Colts better and I'm afraid they just got better. I'd be pleased as hell if Trent comes in and he's crap but... I'll believe it when I see it.
 
infantrycak said:
By the way, I recall a 4th round rookie RB on a much worse passing team, with a horrendous OL, who I don't recall anyone calling a stud while averaging .7 ypc more than Richardson.
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I called him a stud.

b0ng said:
The line might be slightly better in Cleveland (They both have been bad) but in Indy, Richardson isn't going to face 8 dudes crammed into the box on every single play.
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& if he does, Reggie Wayne & TY Hilton will make them pay.

mattieuk said:
That said, I think it is a bit of a dick move on a fanbase who've endured quite a lot of crap over the years - pulling this in the 2nd week, after all the season tickets are solid, and effectively putting up a sign that says 'come back next year'.

Sure I know fans should stick by their team through thick and thin - but how many of us would have been jumping for joy two weeks into the season if we've traded Mario for an unknown first round pick, after putting the emotional baggage into believing that your franchise has got 'the one'.
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Joe Banner said it right. They've got to earn the trust & good faith of that fan base.
mattieuk said:
As for the actual trade - I don't really think we'll know for a few weeks. Richardson could propel Indy to a divisional title, and leave Cleveland with a high 20's pick, or he could have the warned diva mentality, and the Browns are picking in the top 10 twice.
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If they tried to trade him after the season how much would they have got for him? I seriously doubt they would have got a low 1st with the draft looming.

As far as the Colts, I think their defense just got better. A lot better. Between Andrew Luck & Trent Richardson they're going to convert more third downs, stay on the field, & keep the other offense on the sideline.

If they can manage to get a lead, control the pace of the game with a run game, they're going to be hard to stop. Chris Johnson just averaged 3.8 ypc against us, they had the ball for a little more than 31 minutes. With Jake Locker throwing for 148 yards, they led for much of the game. Imagine the pressure it would put on our defense if that was Luck & Richardson.
 
IDEXAN said:
NFL running backs are like automobiles, as soon as they are drafted (or driven off of the lot), they begin to rapidly depreciate. The Colts have way overpaid for a used running back when there are many other good ones out there who can be had for far, far less than a first round pick.
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We will see.

We'll know by the end of the year. If a RB has potential you usually know right away.

I think it does make them better for sure though, how much I'm not sure.
 
thunderkyss said:
If they can manage to get a lead, control the pace of the game with a run game, they're going to be hard to stop. Chris Johnson just averaged 3.8 ypc against us, they had the ball for a little more than 31 minutes. With Jake Locker throwing for 148 yards, they led for much of the game. Imagine the pressure it would put on our defense if that was Luck & Richardson.
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We also held Adrian Peterson in check & Christian Ponder beat us. With Trent Richardson & Andrew Luck, the Colts are officially better than the Vikings.
 
Maybe it's me but some of this is exaggerated. At the end of the day Richardson is a running back. This is not a position that has been game changing except for a few top tier players in today's football. I hardly see the cause for too much fuss.

Is he an improvement? Of course he is but several would have been. They had freaking Ballard and then Bradshaw. But what has he proven at this level to this point? The Colts still have a below average offensive line and defense. Is he going to cover for that secondary that got torched by Ryan Tannenhill? Will he keep Luck on his feet? No because he can't pass block.

So yeah, they upgrade their run game but still have too many issues. As it is both Brown and Bradshaw had about 4.3 per carry against the Dolphins. Their run game wasn't their biggest issue. It was their offensive line and that defense or namely their secondary. And now they don't have a first round pick. Not a bad deal for them but a gamble because I highly doubt they would have used that first pick on a running back in 2014.

I just don't see how Richardson is a game changer enough to be overly worried. Maybe with a bunch of 5 star offensive linemen but other than that he's not the type of back that worries me. Ben Tate would have been more of an issue to deal with (when healthy) and if I'm the Browns I'm targetting him in free agency.
 
Stay classy, Cleveland.


Trent Richardson learned about trade from Browns to Colts on the radio

Cleveland Browns CEO Joe Banner and head coach Rob Chudzinski probably put a lot of thought into trading running back Trent Richardson to the Indianapolis Colts on Wednesday. They contemplated how the move would affect their current team. There was definitely a lot of reflection about their 2014 roster. Maybe there was some thought about the best way to deliver this news to the team.

However, neither man thought about calling Richardson to inform him of the transaction after the trade was finalized.

Instead, Richardson learned he would be joining a new team on the radio.
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I worry anytime a division rival gets a RB of this caliber, but at the end of the day it cost them a round 1 draft pick. A DeAndre Hopkins, A Duane Brown, a Brian Cushing. And we sit here with Arian Foster and Ben Tate for a combined 2nd round pick.
 
deucetx said:
Is he an improvement? Of course he is but several would have been. They had freaking Ballard and then Bradshaw. But what has he proven at this level to this point? The Colts still have a below average offensive line and defense. Is he going to cover for that secondary that got torched by Ryan Tannenhill? Will he keep Luck on his feet? No because he can't pass block.
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The Jags aren't a concern for me, because they don't have a QB. Nice stable of RBs.... but no QB.

The Titans are just a hair above them because... well, Locker still has a way to go.

The Colts, I'm not worried about them if they're going to be asking Andrew Luck to carry that team throwing 50 times a game. With Trent Richardson... they won't be. That offensive line is going to look a lot better because the game is going to slow down for Luck (now that he has a game changer at RB).
 
Trent Richardson =

For Cleveland this was about Weeden and finding a Franchise QB.

For Indianapolis this was about finding better protection for Luck.
 
IDEXAN said:
NFL running backs are like automobiles, as soon as they are drafted (or driven off of the lot), they begin to rapidly depreciate. The Colts have way overpaid for a used running back when there are many other good ones out there who can be had for far, far less than a first round pick.
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Or Richardson could be like the pre-owned Lexus with 5,000 miles that you save $10,000. Only time will tell. I applaud Grigson for being a risk taker though.
 
Blake said:
I worry anytime a division rival gets a RB of this caliber, but at the end of the day it cost them a round 1 draft pick. A DeAndre Hopkins, A Duane Brown, a Brian Cushing. And we sit here with Arian Foster and Ben Tate for a combined 2nd round pick.
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I get what you're saying, but with the Colts hoping to be picking in the late 20's early 30's getting a player as good as Richardson is unlikely. Downside for Colts is that this move probably wont land them in the SB.
 
Playoffs said:
Stay classy, Cleveland.

Trent Richardson learned about trade from Browns to Colts on the radio
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And this is what class looks like, Lombardi:

Richardson told WOIO-TV,
"It’s weird to me. At the same time, it’s a business. Their group there, they know what they’re doing. Browns fans, please get behind them 100 percent, don’t lose no fan base over this, still root for them. Keep hope. Because it’s going to happen. The Browns are going to be good for a while when it does happen.”
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steelbtexan said:
I get what you're saying, but with the Colts hoping to be picking in the late 20's early 30's getting a player as good as Richardson is unlikely. Downside for Colts is that this move probably wont land them in the SB.
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Running backs are a dime a dozen, especially these days when the NFL is becoming more and more pass oriented. Of course before I'd congratulate the Browns on a smart trade, I'd have to ask them what the hell were they thinking when they used the #3 overall in the 2012 Draft on this guy ?
 
It will be ok. We play in a division where we face Chris Johnson and Maurice Jones-Drew twice a year. We somehow manage to survive that and Richardson scares me no more than either of those guys.
 
Interesting angle on this listening to Cleveland sportswriters podcast...

What's the best way for Lombardi & company to buy themselves 3 years of job security suckling at the money teet of owner Jimmy Haslam... ? Throw in all your cards and start a rebuild again.
 
Hervoyel said:
It will be ok. We play in a division where we face Chris Johnson and Maurice Jones-Drew twice a year. We somehow manage to survive that and Richardson scares me no more than either of those guys.
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And Jones-Drew didn't look so hot coming off his Lisfranc (not surprising, especially since it was a very delayed, conservative treatment failure surgery), even before this recent ankle injury, so I'm not so sure how much of a factor he plays this year.
 
PFF's fantasy take on TR is interesting...
What this means for Trent Richardson

In Cleveland, Richardson was a talented back that was held back by the players around him. In 2012 he averaged 3.6 yards per carry and that was down to 3.4 early in 2013. On the plus side, he’s forced 14 missed tackles on him, which is tied for the best in the league so far.

One of Richardson’s biggest problems has been facing eight defensive players in the box too often. By defining players in the box as all defensive linemen, linebackers and safeties within eight yards of the line of scrimmage, Richardson faced eight or more men on the box on 52.6 percent of his carries. On those carries, he averaged just 3.2 yards per carry. When it was seven or fewer in the box, that was up to 3.9 yards per carry. With Andrew Luck at quarterback, teams can’t put eight in the box to stop Richardson as often as they used to.

In Indianapolis, the Colts have used 11 personnel (aka three receiver sets) on 46.2 percent of their offensive plays. This should only go up with Dwayne Allen landing on injured reserve. Teams typically respond to three receiver sets with a nickel defense (only six men in the box). Richardson has had 42 carries in those situations, and has averaged 4.8 yards per carry.

In Indianapolis he should get a similar number of opportunities. He will be used as a feature back, but will get taken out in some passing situations. Richardson has allowed five pressures this year which is the most for all running backs. Ahmad Bradshaw, meanwhile, is one of the best pass blocking backs in the league. This will prevent Richardson playing 80 percent or more of the teams snaps, but he will still get most of the carries.
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Bradshaw and Richardson should be a great 1-2 punch. I wasn't worried about the Colt running game much, but now they have something that at least looks great on paper.
 
Hervoyel said:
It will be ok. We play in a division where we face Chris Johnson and Maurice Jones-Drew twice a year. We somehow manage to survive that and Richardson scares me no more than either of those guys.
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Gabbert + MJD < Locker + CJ < Luck + Richardson/Bradshaw
 
All I will say is that this about as obvious an attempt at a "we need to suck worse than jax" move to position themselves for Manziel or Clowney I think I have ever seen.

I have no idea how Browns fans do it. I wouldn't buy a ticket to their product, but they keep showing up, god bless em.
 
toronto said:
All I will say is that this about as obvious an attempt at a "we need to suck worse than jax" move to position themselves for Manziel or Clowney I think I have ever seen.

I have no idea how Browns fans do it. I wouldn't buy a ticket to their product, but they keep showing up, god bless em.
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Have you ever been to Cleveland? What the hell else is there to do but be a Browns fan. For better or for worse.

I agree with your statement though. Suck for Clowney just doesn't have the same ring though, does it?
 
I see this as helping Texans as it takes a first away from Colts. I doubt Richardson helps much and even less as he continues to get banged. He could be better. He could be worse.
 
toronto said:
All I will say is that this about as obvious an attempt at a "we need to suck worse than jax" move to position themselves for Manziel or Clowney I think I have ever seen.

I have no idea how Browns fans do it. I wouldn't buy a ticket to their product, but they keep showing up, god bless em.
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I wouldn't have thought the Browns would be hurt so bad by losing Trent Richardson. I do believe the Colts are much better with Richardson but the teams are in two totally different spots.

I thought they would be fighting for a Wild Card spot this year. Now, trading Richardson & their QB change, I'm thinking you're more right than I am, but I'd like to see Hoyer before I say it.

Saying that I think they'll be fighting for a wild card doesn't mean I think they're great. I think the Steelers are in big trouble & I'm not high on Baltimore either. I've got Cincy winning the North. Texans winning the South, New England winning the East, & Denver winning the West.

Miami, KC, Indy, Cleveland, & Baltimore fighting for 2 spots.
 
drs23 said:
Have you ever been to Cleveland? What the hell else is there to do but be a Browns fan. For better or for worse.

I agree with your statement though. Suck for Clowney just doesn't have the same ring though, does it?
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I call it "clown for clowney."
 
eriadoc said:
Gabbert + MJD < Locker + CJ < Luck + Richardson/Bradshaw
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Sure, I'd agree with that. Regardless I'm not ready to just concede the division to the Colts. The sum isn't always greater than the pieces. There's more to having an awesome running game than just having a great back (and that's not to say that Richardson is indeed a "great" back).

Lets play and then decide how worried we should be.
 
Hervoyel said:
eriadoc said:
Gabbert + MJD < Locker + CJ < Luck + Richardson/Bradshaw
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Sure, I'd agree with that. Regardless I'm not ready to just concede the division to the Colts. The sum isn't always greater than the pieces. There's more to having an awesome running game than just having a great back (and that's not to say that Richardson is indeed a "great" back).

Lets play and then decide how worried we should be.
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Gabbert + MJD < Locker + CJ < Luck + Richardson/Bradshaw<Schaub + Foster + Tate


Ain't nobody giving them the division.
 
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