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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Days, maybe only hours.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Kelly: Well, I guess I'll need to pre......
Caserio: ....box your shite and don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
This fast?
Caserio: ....box your shite and don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
This fast?
I’m not seeing that. It took Caserio longer than I liked to settle on a HC. I don’t know what thought he put into it, but I know he put some thought into it.
David Culley said he mentioned Lovie Smith as someone he’d like to work with, then Caserio reached out to Lovie.
Seems like Miles was a package deal. Hopefully that works out.
Kelly, well, we know how that worked. I wasn’t impressed with anything he did last season so I’m not expecting much. But it looks like they have his replacement in house.
I like Pep as a QB coach, OC in waiting.
I listened to the other position coaches interviews on HT.com. They’ve all got plenty of & seemingly good experience.
I really don’t think the Monday to Friday coaching is going to hold the team back. & the game day coaching can’t get any worse... can it?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
O'Brien wasn't a horrible coach. Horrible coaching staff? Yes. Horrible GM? Yes. He wasn't a very good coach, but not horrible. So, yeah, I think there's room for it to be worse.
I do think the rest of the staff can and should be better though. That's where it can't get any worse IMO.
Texansballer74
The Marine
This coaching staff is not the best but they are far from being the worst.
Gotta give them a chance before dooming them to be the worst.
Gotta give them a chance before dooming them to be the worst.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Caserio's very first act of buffoonery was the hire of David Culley. As a position coach Culley was less than mediocre, not even your basic average and ordinary, as a HC he's a FUBAR in waiting.
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cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Where is the logic in this? I don't see the reasoning.
Watson is gone, one way or the other, no if's about it.
I don't think Kelly's tenure is dependent on Watson, and Watsons future is not tied to Kelly.
I feel that Culley is giving him a shot, minus the anchor that was OBrien.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Yes man, that fit the culture Cal McNair likes.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Where is the logic in this? I don't see the reasoning.
Watson is gone, one way or the other, no if's about it.
I don't think Kelly's tenure is dependent on Watson, and Watsons future is not tied to Kelly.
I feel that Culley is giving him a shot, minus the anchor that was OBrien.
I think it’s more to do with Kelly learning and working under Bill O’Brien. O’Brien left a very bitter and nasty taste around here. Kelly ran a lot of head scratcher plays like OB.
Culley will serve his purpose.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
True.
Maybe Culley isn't holding it against Kelly that he had to follow OBriens lead.
Could be that Culley learned from his own history that you don't always get to do what you would rather do.
Could be that Culley will let Kelly succeed or fail making his own decisions. Up to a point I suppose.
Houston football fans have suffered through many years of "knee jerk" decisions. Maybe that is about to change.
Not a whole lot to lose at this point in time. There are many years of accumulated NFL experience on this staff.
'eh, so we disagree. Proof will be in the results.
I don't want to hear that we expect a losing season so they get a pass for the season.
Some of us expect a lost season BECAUSE of this staff.
The Texans claim this is not a rebuild. But it is.
And if Culley is just a placeholder - or is he really expected to be an important piece of a rebuild? - then they are just wasting our time.
As far as Lovie, just ask Hookem about his thoughts. He's a retread.
Pep is a journeyman coach. He rarely stays long enough to make a difference.
You cannot defend this coaching staff with low expectations. That is self-defeating, at best.
Just listen to the man talk. That's all it takes. Nice guy yada yada yada, but he's nothing even close to resembling an NFL head coach. He has no vision, no particular insight, and just seems happy to be here and will most likely give us entertainment value as they try to manage what he says but eventually the pressure of losing will make him pop. Perhaps we get a Jim Mora moment out of him in 2021.
So y'all expect a winning season in the 1st yr of a new regime rebuilding? That's unrealistic. IMHO Culley and staff are placeholders, hopefully that journeyman coach can get out of Mills what he got out of Herbert. It's not like people thought Herbert was going to put up the generational numbers he put up last yr. Otherwise he would've been the #1 or #2 pick. Surely Pep had something to do with Herbert's quick development. Speaking of this if the Redskins had a chance to re-do the draft would they have taken Herbert over Young?
Texansballer74
The Marine
True.
Maybe Culley isn't holding it against Kelly that he had to follow OBriens lead.
Could be that Culley learned from his own history that you don't always get to do what you would rather do.
Could be that Culley will let Kelly succeed or fail making his own decisions. Up to a point I suppose.
Houston football fans have suffered through many years of "knee jerk" decisions. Maybe that is about to change.
Not a whole lot to lose at this point in time. There are many years of accumulated NFL experience on this staff.
Under that particular circumstance last season Kelly actually did good. It wasn’t his offense that failed us completely. It was RAC and his defense that screwed the pooch.
Not only that but the screwball wanted Kelly back so the McNairs, Caserio and Culley kept him on board.
Agreed this organization decision making has put a lot of doubt in our fan base.
Since 2010 for some
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I don't know what to expect this coming season.
What I do hope for is a team that competes and shows steady improvement as the season progresses.
Anything more than that I will consider a bonus.
Most coaches get to choose their OC. Culley didn’t. I doubt Kelly lasts past this season
That, imo, is just a narrative pushed by the media.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He chose Lovie, Pep and the rest of them. Kelly was the only one he didn’t. Mainly because Watson wanted them to keep Kelly.
hmmmm....I double checked my post and noticed that I didn't say a damn thing about expecting a winning season.
Play your strawman BS with someone else.
You can enjoy David Culley. I don't care. He just doesn't impress me as a pro football head coach in any way.
What I "expect" from this organization is what their history has revealed: incompetence, starting from the owner and his sidekick.
So they hired a placeholder HC. Why? Just to waste another season building nothing, simply because any new head coach worth his weight will want to rebuild the team in his vision.
Culley is just a convenient yes man with a nice attitude. Easy to blame and sacrifice. Enjoy losing.
That is certainly your opinion. So you got that part right.
I don't pay attention to the media. I'd rather listen to music.
I do listen to his press conferences, and my critical thinking skills can arrive at their own conclusion. I'm just not impressed. There's a reason he's never been considered for an NFL head coaching job before this one.
I understand this. That's why I'm saying I doubt Kelly lasts past 2021 season.
Not counting Eric Bieniemy how many non white offensive coordinators have there been in the league?
The only one I can think of other than Bieniemy is Caldwell & that was after he was a head coach.
So yeah, it's possible that he just never exhibited the traits of a head coach. But he did make an impression on Nick Caserio back in the day.
But I remember there was a time when the NFL wasn't keen on the idea of a person of color under Center. It appears they weren't too keen on a person of color running an offense from the side line either.
But there have been plenty of black HCs. Other than Caldwell they came up on the defensive side of the ball.
Sherm Lewis... that's a good one.
Leftwich, Lynn, & Bieniemy got their shot long after Culley had been forgotten.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
C
Dead on my thoughts as well. Talks a lot, without specifics or football references. Know less after his press conferences rather than more. Don’t see any cohesive coaching strategy from his tree, just a lot of spit and general statements. If your just a Texan fan, four go arounds you might not know any better.
Dead on my thoughts as well. Talks a lot, without specifics or football references. Know less after his press conferences rather than more. Don’t see any cohesive coaching strategy from his tree, just a lot of spit and general statements. If your just a Texan fan, four go arounds you might not know any better.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I have listened to the man talk, I have watched him comically fiddle and blow his whistle. The media had absolutely nothing to do with it. I agree with @Double Barrel, Culley is just glad to be here. Culley is Gomer Pyle, goooollleeeee, shazam. Culley comes across as lost and clueless. Culley will do for the Texans what he did for the Ravens passing game, last in the NFL. I'm sure the Kool Aid Brigade thinks he's wonderful. Caserio's first hire will come back to haunt him.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Agreed. Culley may be a great guy and I wanna see what happens- he just doesn't instil a lot of confidence for me.
I already had low expectations for this season and this coaching staff did nothing to change that. More then 5-6 wins would be great.
I already had low expectations for this season and this coaching staff did nothing to change that. More then 5-6 wins would be great.
I agree insomuch as he hasn’t done anything to instill confidence. Can’t imagine any coach coming here & doing much to instill confidence. Not at this stage.
I remember Bill Parcels taking over the Cowboys.If Cowboy fans weren’t so delusional there wouldn’t have been much new confidence then either.
Like Belichick, he didn’t go into details that you want to hear.
You were confident because you knew what they did before. Culley on the other hand has been buried in the NFL for 40 years.
Bill O’Brien talked a good game, remember that? When the season started we didn’t see none of that.
I’m not saying, “Give the guy a chance.” I’m saying what do you expect? No 1st/2nd round picks. Not signing big ticket FAs, dumping bad contracts & redundant players.
“We’re going to compete.” That’s about all he can say.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
You don't have to be a good talker to the press to be a good coach. Texans lacked discipline, cohesiveness as a team, details and fundamentals. He either believes in these things or saw that because he seems to raise these topics. He seems to let his guys teach. I am just waiting to see if these coaches have what it takes, but I have long believed Texans needed better coaching at all levels. Yes a strategic game plan is great, but if your players cannot execute simple combo blocks or stunts, or use good hands, most of that crap is secondary. Just like with NC, I am going to judge on results and it is way early. In the meantime, no $$ coming from me anymore. If I manage my expectations, the pending dumpster fire won't bug me as much. DC seems like that nice guy, but does not inspire me to run through a wall. Maybe we get real lucky and he is Tony Dungy, guy never did it for me publicly but seemed to get the job done internally
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
banned1976
sleeper mode
Lovie has not been great as of recent, Kelly is an O’Brien protege and Culley is a rookie HC that was in charge of an anemic passing game last season. What’s hard to understand?As it should be.
Can't understand the negativity toward the new staff.
I don’t understand the blind faith some (not naming you) have with this largely unproven staff. And given the recent decision making of ownership since Bob McNair passing, I’m in a hope for the best but prepare for the worst mind-set. This ownership’s best thinking rewarded the man responsible for a playoff beat down by promoting him to GM/HC.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
That's where I'm at.
Bill Belichick was 61-72 without Tom Brady. GOAT ? Just sayin'. Would you have hired him?
Circumstances change from team to team, year to year.
No one wanted to hire Lombardi till GB came calling.
Caserios had a relatively small population to select from as the McNairs wanted a minority HC plus Culleys deep faith was a bonus so
it was was all over for the competition.
Personally I would have preferred another AA as our new HC, Saleh Robert, but ironically his faith would have automatically excluded him from serious consideration by the McNairs.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Was some of you same gents this skepic when they hired Bull O’Brien?
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I’m sure Texian was.
Texansballer74
The Marine
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Rub it in. 
Texian
Hall of Fame
That's a good BINGO! I knew he was a bully with a temper after he went ballistic on Brady on the sideline. I didn't think it was a coincidence when Kraft and Belichick shipped him off to Penn St a few weeks later. I saw OB as just another in a long list of Belichick clerks. Penn St fans were glad to see him go and he couldn't leave town fast enough, I knew Texans fans would see the same. Bill O'Brien does not get along with others. You gotta believe what your eyes and ears are telling you.
The Kool Aid Brigade was loving them some Billy O'Brien. They couldn't get enough.
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Man, some of y’all just love to compare things equally across the board, taking nothing else into account.
I remember being skeptical about his lack of experience and the QB guru label put on him, but that team OB took over had Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, prime JJ Watt, Jonathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, AJ Bouye, Duane Brown, Brandon Brooks, Ben Jones.....that was a team that not only had talent, but playmakers as well.
That is FAR from the case in 2021. If this staff had that kind of talent, they might be a playoff contender. But they don’t.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Ob was one of the more highly regarded names in a mediocre/bad batch. I had no illusions about superbowls but I didn't hate it either.
Culley came out of nowhere and has less talent on this team and less draft capital. Poor guy really doesn't stand a chance imo. 21 is a throw away as far as I'm concerned (yes - I want to be wrong.)
I know I was excited about a "game plan" offense. I'd love for the Texans to be the kind of team that could identify & exploit match ups in our favor.
But I can't remember them even target a back DB, LB, Safety etc... taking snaps due to injury.
Some don't believe me, but I think I was pretty open minded when BO'b got here. But like you said, negative traits started showing up right off the bat.
& none of the things he promised materialized.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I actually enjoyed the honesty ob had at first like I appreciated van gundy for being so forthright with his comments. We'd been so battered down with the useless "aww shucks, it's on me" coach speak from Kubiak I thought it was refreshing.
I guess I like accountability.
After a while though, it was clearly just bully tactics and no one succeeds when they're surrounded by yes men.
By the time ob left he reminded me of
I guess I like accountability.
After a while though, it was clearly just bully tactics and no one succeeds when they're surrounded by yes men.
By the time ob left he reminded me of
TxnsJuggernaut1
All Pro
As if you ever expected to be impressed. On a team not expected to win many if any games, "no matter who coaches them," I'm sure he will be just what you expect.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Well, right now I think he's referring to presence and words since we have no results yet.
I ain't impressed either. Speaches mean little but that's all we have so far.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Gomer Pyle could sing...