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Lucky

Not like this. Not like this.
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Wasn't it you who said the only reason Caserio hired Culley is because the McNairs wanted a minority coach.
There was also the belief that Watson would accept the hire because Culley coached him in a Pro Bowl. Let's not forget the Easterby factor, as Culley was a noted FCA speaker. Combine all that with a non-threatening (anti-O'Brien) personality, and Culley checked all of the boxes. Obviously, none of the boxes were labeled "Head Coach Experience" or "Coordinator Experience".
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Since Caserio has been hired what makes you think Kyle hasn't given Caserio full reign?
I imagine Jack Easterby doesn't allow Nick Caserio full reign. :)
Jack Easterby is to Kyle what Rick Smith was to Bob. It's a McNair thing!
 
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Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
Yep. Even the Lions, right?

The Jaguars went 1-15 and they had great talent on their team. The Browns was picking in the top 5 almost every year along with the Jags, picked good talent and look at how long it took them to get over the hump.

The Patriots wasn’t picking at the top of the draft board but they were able to build a dynasty.

It’s not always about the talent. Y’all raved about the talent we had under O’Brien but in two of those seasons we were freaking horrible.
 
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AGAIN, OB had some talent when he took over. You always seem to forget that part.
How talented was a team that went 2-14 the season before BO'b got there? There was enough talent that BO'b got them to finish 9-7 only one season removed from winning just 2 games. You can say there were some roster changes but "come on man," we're talking about only winning 2 games. I would say that BO'b deserves credit for the improvment but there had to be some talent to get the team to win 9 games. I doubt RS made any magical moves in regards to talent. I admit that I don't recall any roster moves that season and I don't feel like looking them up but I don't think they did anything major before BO'bs first season as the Texans head coach. If you do the research or recall the moves made prior to BO'bs first season, I thank you in advance if you share them with the forum. Thanks.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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How talented was a team that went 2-14 the season before BO'b got there? There was enough talent that BO'b got them to finish 9-7 only one season removed from winning just 2 games. You can say there were some roster changes but "come on man," we're talking about only winning 2 games. I would say that BO'b deserves credit for the improvment but there had to be some talent to get the team to win 9 games. I doubt RS made any magical moves in regards to talent. I admit that I don't recall any roster moves that season and I don't feel like looking them up but I don't think they did anything major before BO'bs first season as the Texans head coach. If you do the research or recall the moves made prior to BO'bs first season, I thank you in advance if you share them with the forum. Thanks.
Biggest difference was Arian Foster. Had he been healthy I don’t Case Keenum would have gone 0-8
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Biggest difference was Arian Foster. Had he been healthy I don’t Case Keenum would have gone 0-8
The biggest difference in 12 - 4 2013 Texans and the 2 - 14 2014 Texans was Matt Schaub going from a Top 10 QB to the worst QB in the NFL. I believe the reason for this drop in performance was explained rather well by @CloakNNNdagger on the how and why Schaub's lisfranc injury turned in to record setting pick six QB.
 
I did give him a chance and I have listed for you 5 or 6 Caserio SNAFUS since he has arrived. Do we need to do this again? I do believe you found it convenient to just make excuses and sweep all the Caserio buffoonery under the rug while you are giving him a chance. At what point do you stop giving him a chance and start accepting this clown show for what it is?
I get a lot of what you are saying but many of us are going to wait till at least training camp and through preseason games before we start concerning ourselves with how this season or future seasons may turn out.

You have pointed out your concerns and they are well thought out and I appreciate the time you have taken to warn the forum of the train wreck you see coming. Still many of us are not jumping ship until we are sure it is actually sinking and quickly taking on water. At this time it seems that all the signs are pointing to disaster, but the ship is not yet sinking so try to relax Texian! There are worse things for us to worry about but still we can and will get through them when they happen. (2) David Lee Murphy and Kenny Chesney - Everything's Gonna Be Alright (Lyric Video) - YouTube
 
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Shots fired! Bullseye! Nothing left to discuss! DC sucks! You win! DBCooper has ended any chance at a debate! His side wins because the Ravens aren't missing DC!

DC has been a disapointment everywhere he has been but somehow he has been able to keep working for damn near 30 seasons. How in the he double hockey sticks does a man with a supposedly bad track record continue to find jobs as a position coach in the NFL? I mean the man sucks! All he has going for him is that he is a nice guy. Outside of that he has no business being a coach at any copacity let alone a head coach!
 
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Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
How talented was a team that went 2-14 the season before BO'b got there?
I don't know. They had a pick 6 throwing broken down Schaub and an injured Arian Foster. When OB took over he had a healthy Foster, Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, JJ Watt, Jonathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Jadeveon Clowney, AJ Bouye, Duane Brown, Brandon Brooks, Chris Myers. You tell me how talented they were vs. what Culley is starting with.

It’s not always about the talent. Y’all raved about the talent we had under O’Brien but in two of those seasons were freaking horrible.
And one of those seasons Watson got hurt, the other, the talent had already been depleted, thanks to OB. All you had was Watson. And that was last year, BTW, which brings us to where we are now.

If you're going to act like what OB had to start with is the same as what Culley has to start with, you're not being very honest with yourself or anyone else for that matter.

You're right that it's not always about talent because OB had talent and he certainly didn't get all he could have out of it. But if you compare the talent of what OB had when he started to what's here now, it's not even close. I don't get why you think that's even comparable, other than you aren't willing to accept anything that doesn't shine a light on your super duper football team.

Knowing what we now know about OB, he might not have won a game in '14 if he had the roster Culley has now. What do we know about what Culley will do? Nothing. But he does NOT have the kind of talent OB had when he started. That's just the truth.
 

thunderkyss

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Knowing what we now know about OB, he might not have won a game in '14 if he had the roster Culley has now. What do we know about what Culley will do? Nothing. But he does NOT have the kind of talent OB had when he started. That's just the truth.
QFT.

BO’b had this team walking sideways for a couple of years. Then they fell off a cliff.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
I did give him a chance and I have listed for you 5 or 6 Caserio SNAFUS since he has arrived. Do we need to do this again? I do believe you found it convenient to just make excuses and sweep all the Caserio buffoonery under the rug while you are giving him a chance. At what point do you stop giving him a chance and start accepting this clown show for what it is?
Your claim to Caserio’s snafu’s are nothing more than your personal opinions that will remain baseless until a season, two or three have played out. Hang in there tiger…..your dreams may come true.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
I don't know. They had a pick 6 throwing broken down Schaub and an injured Arian Foster. When OB took over he had a healthy Foster, Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, JJ Watt, Jonathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Jadeveon Clowney, AJ Bouye, Duane Brown, Brandon Brooks, Chris Myers. You tell me how talented they were vs. what Culley is starting with.


And one of those seasons Watson got hurt, the other, the talent had already been depleted, thanks to OB. All you had was Watson. And that was last year, BTW, which brings us to where we are now.

If you're going to act like what OB had to start with is the same as what Culley has to start with, you're not being very honest with yourself or anyone else for that matter.

You're right that it's not always about talent because OB had talent and he certainly didn't get all he could have out of it. But if you compare the talent of what OB had when he started to what's here now, it's not even close. I don't get why you think that's even comparable, other than you aren't willing to accept anything that doesn't shine a light on your super duper football team.

Knowing what we now know about OB, he might not have won a game in '14 if he had the roster Culley has now. What do we know about what Culley will do? Nothing. But he does NOT have the kind of talent OB had when he started. That's just the truth.
Watson was a rookie at that time. They were in some close games but came up short most of the time.

No way am I saying we have the same talent. What I’m pointing out is you can have all the talent in the world, doesn’t mean anything if your coaching isn’t up to speed or those players are just not gelling for whatever reason. Here’s a really good example of that. Take a look at the Cowboys. They’ve had a bunch of talent come through there , the media hyped them up every year. And then the season starts and they don’t come nowhere close to their talent level nor the hype. Even when they had the best offensive line in the business. They got bounced in the first round, then the following year they were terrible again.


But hey good stuff. You hit on some key factors for sure.
 
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DBCooper

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Shots fired! Bullseye! Nothing left to discuss! DC sucks! You win! DBCooper has ended any chance at a debate! His side wins because the Ravens aren't missing DC!

DC has been a disapointment everywhere he has been but somehow he has been able to keep working for damn near 30 seasons. How in the he double hockey sticks does a man with a supposedly bad track record continue to find jobs as a position coach in the NFL? I mean the man sucks! All he has going for him is that he is a nice guy. Outside of that he has no business being a coach at any copacity let alone a head coach!
Not my side, I’m on the wait and see and b!tch about things I see on the field side.

I’m just

 
When OB took over he had a healthy Foster, Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, JJ Watt, Jonathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Jadeveon Clowney, AJ Bouye, Duane Brown, Brandon Brooks, Chris Myers. You tell me how talented they were vs. what Culley is starting with.
I recall many of you were on board with Gary Kubiak getting fired. If our only problem was simply an injured and poor playing Matt Schaub as well as an injured Arian Foster why agree with his getting fired? Why not use that rationale when it came to Gary Kubiak keeping his job as opposed to firing him?
 
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Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
I recall many of you were on board with Gary Kubiak getting fired. If our only problem was simply an injured and poor playing Matt Schaub as well as an injured Arian Foster why agree with his getting fired? Why not use that rationale when it came to Gary Kubiak keeping his job as opposed to firing him?

Even if we were currently considered a talented team, "which we are not," we failed at hiring a competent head coach and much of his assistants. In that regard, with most everything about this team being bad, why repeat yourselves as to how bad we are? We suck and by your way of thinking, there is little to no hope for many years to come! Those of us who have some hope for the near future have heard plenty from those of you who have no hope for many years to come. We don't need you nay sayers wasting your times trying to convince us how bad we are.

I get some of the negativity but what I don't get is the negaitve attitude from some posters in regards to DC. Why hate on the guy? Why does so many of you continue bitching about him since it has already been ascertained that he will be a bad head coach? Why do so many of you continue to come on this forum and beat a dead horse?

So many of you complain about DC when he does not act as you think he should yet have said that a proven winning head coach would struggle with the lack of talent that the team has. Why pile on the guy? Many of you have said this team sucks and will continue to suck, so why keep on complaining about something you think is so bad and will not get better any time soon? You have the right to complain but the complaints have been rehashed many times. I myself am guilty of not ignoring those complaints. I will not be drawn into the arguments in regards to NC and DC beyond this post, at least not until our team has gone through all of training camp and preseason games.

I don't see years of futility the way many of you do. We shall see who is right between those of us who don't feel things are so bad and those of you who see no hope for many years to come.
First of all, don’t broad brush me into Kubiak this, haters that, sunshiners, and gloom and doomers bullshit. I don’t play that ******* game. I try to call things like I see it. So I’m not here trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m giving my ******* opinion based on what I see.

Why was Kubiak fired instead of being kept on with the talent they had? You’ll have to ask Bob McNair that. Personally, I felt they fired the wrong guy. Should have been Smith for not having any foresight whatsoever. I mean Kubiak did go on to take a team with talent and win a SB.

I don’t have hate for Culley, it’s just that from my perspective, this is something that came out of nowhere. NO ONE has EVER had this dude on their radar for HC. I was skeptical about OB as well, but at least he had HC experience. Granted, it was college, but still. Culley doesn’t even have coordinator experience. That certainly doesn’t give me any warm fuzzies.

From my view of the big picture, he’s here to ride out the storm, and when/if Caserio pulls this franchise out of the abyss it’s in, they will get a more qualified/capable, however you want to put, HC in here. And that’s not to say that Culley won’t do well either. But come on man, even Belichick struggled his first go around.

As far as this forum beating a dead horse, what exactly is it you want to happen here? Everybody join hands and sing Kumbaya every day. It’s a ******* message board where we give opinions. If we’re supposed to just wait and see how everything plays out, then shut the damn thing down until then.

I prefer to let them all play together at least a few games before I start passing judgement. That is just me though.
Good for you. But like I said, this is an opinions driven forum where people are capable of seeing what they see going on with the team, management, whatever, and drawing conclusions, whatever those conclusions may be, then sharing those conclusions here. Otherwise, why have this forum? If you wanna wait and see how it plays out, well, see you in October or November. Or you could just spend all your time here until then complaining about every opinion you don’t agree with. You do you.
 

banned1976

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I prefer to let them all play together at least a few games before I start passing judgement. That is just me though.
I'll wait to pass judgement too. That said, I'm still entitled to an opinion and IMHO I feel they had much better coaching and coordinator candidates to choose from but for reasons only known to them (McNair, Easterby and Caserio) they landed on Lovie, Culley and Kelly. If it works out, great, if it doesn't, well, we're all pretty much used to our football team losing.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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I recall many of you were on board with Gary Kubiak getting fired. If our only problem was simply an injured and poor playing Matt Schaub as well as an injured Arian Foster why agree with his getting fired? Why not use that rationale when it came to Gary Kubiak keeping his job as opposed to firing him?
To me, it's about winning. If I thought winning was the prime motivator for Kubiak, I'd want him here today.

But when he wouldn't let Tj throw the ball in that San Francisco game he finally benched Schaub in, I stopped believing he was all about winning. He was trying to prove a point & I ain't got no time for that.
 

thunderkyss

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but for reasons only known to them (McNair, Easterby and Caserio) they landed on Lovie, Culley and Kelly. If it works out, great, if it doesn't, well, we're all pretty much used to our football team losing.
We know why they chose Kelly. Do you need us to go over that again?

Lovie... I can't speak to that, but at least he's been a HC before & it's kinda cool that his son wants to be like him (not that that makes him a good DC).
 

powda

I bought Watson a massage gun on Amazon prime day!
If memory serves, kubes play calling got awfully stagnant about the time Schaub started to suck. He couldn't throw down field and defenses stopped worrying about this offense vertically. They played us 1 dimensionally (horizontally.) We'd just lost some offensive linemen and the run game was no longer as potent.

That coincided with wade Phillips 3-4 year curse. (Great year 1, pretty good year 2, off the cliff after that.) His defenses were strictly man to man and any oc worth his salt could dial up a play against us when really needed.

Let's not forget kubes was overly loyal to his coaches and players alike. His inability to cut the cord hurt him a lot. His challenges were detrimental to the team and there were a lot of whisperings at the end he'd lost the locker room.

After his aww shucks commentary for 7 years after every loss the act got old and the McNair's finally let him fall on his sword.

I liked him a lot. If he'd been able to cut mediocre coaches he had personal relationships with for better ones when available, he might still be here. If he'd delegated more he might still be here. It's easy to miss the good old days when he was here. Folks forget that last season or 2 though. Players had little heart.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
If memory serves, kubes play calling got awfully stagnant about the time Schaub started to suck. He couldn't throw down field and defenses stopped worrying about this offense vertically. They played us 1 dimensionally (horizontally.) We'd just lost some offensive linemen and the run game was no longer as potent.

That coincided with wade Phillips 3-4 year curse. (Great year 1, pretty good year 2, off the cliff after that.) His defenses were strictly man to man and any oc worth his salt could dial up a play against us when really needed.

Let's not forget kubes was overly loyal to his coaches and players alike. His inability to cut the cord hurt him a lot. His challenges were detrimental to the team and there were a lot of whisperings at the end he'd lost the locker room.

After his aww shucks commentary for 7 years after every loss the act got old and the McNair's finally let him fall on his sword.

I liked him a lot. If he'd been able to cut mediocre coaches he had personal relationships with for better ones when available, he might still be here. If he'd delegated more he might still be here. It's easy to miss the good old days when he was here. Folks forget that last season or 2 though. Players had little heart.

He was too conservative and lacked the killer instinct.
 

banned1976

All Pro
We know why they chose Kelly. Do you need us to go over that again?

Lovie... I can't speak to that, but at least he's been a HC before & it's kinda cool that his son wants to be like him (not that that makes him a good DC).
Yeah, go over that again. You were in the meetings? You know what they were thinking? What am I thinking right now? Actually, that shouldn't be a hard one to figure out.
 

thunderkyss

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Yeah, go over that again. You were in the meetings? You know what they were thinking? What am I thinking right now? Actually, that shouldn't be a hard one to figure out.
Choosing Culley, keeping Kelly, trading picks, & all the stupid crap they did before Feb 25th was in attempt to convince Watson to stay.

Once they accepted Watson is moving on, they couldn't undo those decisions.
 

powda

I bought Watson a massage gun on Amazon prime day!
You know what they were thinking? What am I thinking right now? Actually, that shouldn't be a hard one to figure out.
Peanut butter. A giant vat of it with an angry rabid donkey ridden by a midget ontop of it.

He pulls up to the brothel and realizes his wine has gone bad. It's now KY.

The girls look down and so does he at the vat. Some busty blonde on the 3rd floor asks...

"Is it creamy or chunky?"



Is that what you were thinking?
 
well, we're all pretty much used to our football team losing.
It could be worse. We could be the Detroit Lions or Cleveland Browns amongst a few other teams that have been losing games way longer than we have. I prefer to see the glass half full as opposed to half empty. That may just be me though.
 
It’s a ******* message board where we give opinions.
It's where we repeat the same **** over and over ad nauseam. At some point it gets old coming from both sides. I blame it more on the time of season we are in than the posters. Still nothing we are debating leaves much room for anything new. I am sorry if I am calling people to task for what I myself have done. This time of season for football sucks and that is how I look at it.

I don't care that many of you don't have any faith in NC and company but this has all come out in the wash with nothing new to add. I will be glad when we at least get to training camp.
 
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Culley doesn’t even have coordinator experience.
While I will admit that Tom Coughlin did a stint in college as a head coach he hardly left a vote of confidence in that stint. In the pros he spent time as a position coach without any coordinator experience before he got his head coaching opportunity. He ended up one of the better head coaches in the NFL.

I admit the DC never was head coach at any level but still he has been a poistion coach for a long time and has done so under some very good head coaches. That has to have influenced him to some degree. I realize that his hiring came out of nowhere and that leaves some room for concern. Still, John Harbaugh had enough confidence in him to make him his assistant head coach. If he did not have any confidence in his abilities why would he have put him in such a position?

I will not discuss anything more about NC, DC or his coaching staff any further until we at least have informartion coming out of training camp.

Y'all have at it. Peace out!
 
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banned1976

All Pro
Peanut butter. A giant vat of it with an angry rabid donkey ridden by a midget ontop of it.

He pulls up to the brothel and realizes his wine has gone bad. It's now KY.

The girls look down and so does he at the vat. Some busty blonde on the 3rd floor asks...

"Is it creamy or chunky?"



Is that what you were thinking?
I was actually thinking of a midget sitting upon a hippopotamus eating a bucket of lard while a drunk monkey dressed as my grandmother stands next to the hippo and is sewing an American flag, but you were close.

Midget.

Monkey.

American flag.

Always.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Kyle played video games while daddy took care of business. Hopefully Kyle sees a daddy figure in Caserio
You may have missed played the Daddy figure, it was Jack Easterby who convinced Kyle to hire Caserio. Caserio also came with the highest recommendation from Bill O'Brien. So with gold star recommendations from Easterby and O'Brien for Caserio what could possibly go wrong?
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Choosing Culley, keeping Kelly, trading picks, & all the stupid crap they did before Feb 25th was in attempt to convince Watson to stay.

Once they accepted Janice made it clear Watson would never wear a Texans uniform again, is moving on, they couldn't undo those decisions. They were really bad decisions anyway, some of the worst.
FIFY
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
So they retain their Erhardt-Perkins OC and hire WCO HC and asst. coaches. Must be a new approach to offense in the NFL. The old square peg in a round hole approach.
Square pegs in round holes are easy with a big enough hammer. Unfortunately the Texans hammer is off chasing call girls and can't play right now.
 

Number19

Hall of Fame
So they retain their Erhardt-Perkins OC and hire WCO HC and asst. coaches. Must be a new approach to offense in the NFL. The old square peg in a round hole approach.
Kelly is only 34 years old and has only been coaching in the NFL since 2014, all with the Texans.. Now tell me why you think a young coach just beginning his career is unable to adapt to, and learn, a new system.
 

steelbtexan

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I did give him a chance and I have listed for you 5 or 6 Caserio SNAFUS since he has arrived. Do we need to do this again? I do believe you found it convenient to just make excuses and sweep all the Caserio buffoonery under the rug while you are giving him a chance. At what point do you stop giving him a chance and start accepting this clown show for what it is?
LMAO

Buffonary perfectly describes this post. Why because Caserio hasn't even had a full compliment of draft picks to work with and you've already deemed him a failure. I'm in the wait and see mode.

Facts are, so far nothing Caserio has done is going to really hurt this team. Plenty of cap space will be available next offseason and a couple of late rd pick swaps and losing a 6th rd draft pick isn't going to make or break the Texans. I like the fact that Caserio kept Tunsil/Cooks around. Some of the re-structures you're talking about I happen to agree with you.

One move that w disagree on (Drafting Mills) if Mills hits then everything you've been railing against will be moot. I'm in the camp of pick a QB in every draft until you find your guy. The reason they're even in this position is Cal bet on a Pervert and that had nothing to do with Caserio.

To answer your question 2 full draft classes and FA periods.
 

Lucky

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The Jaguars went 1-15 and they had great talent on their team.
What? A 6-10 team that lost Leonard Fournette, Yannick Ngakoue, Calais Campbell, and A.J. Bouye? It's like the Jags were trying to lose.

Now what mediocre 2020 team lost most of their key players in the 2021 offseason, and have done little to nothing to replace them? Like JJ Watt, Will Fuller, and Deshaun Watson? Hmm. Some team you know may be following the Jaguar path to the 1st overall pick.
 

Texansballer74

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What? A 6-10 team that lost Leonard Fournette, Yannick Ngakoue, Calais Campbell, and A.J. Bouye? It's like the Jags were trying to lose.

Now what mediocre 2020 team lost most of their key players in the 2021 offseason, and have done little to nothing to replace them? Like JJ Watt, Will Fuller, and Deshaun Watson? Hmm. Some team you know may be following the Jaguar path to the 1st overall pick.

Looks like both you and banned miss the point I was making. All that talent lead to what gentlemen? Don’t worry, I’ll answer it: not a got darn thing.
 

thunderkyss

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Now what mediocre 2020 team lost most of their key players in the 2021 offseason, and have done little to nothing to replace them? Like JJ Watt, Will Fuller, and Deshaun Watson?
I hear you.

We didn’t replace DeAndre Hopkins. I mean we did, but “everbody” was so downon Brandin Cooks (got phased out of LA’s offense) so he doesn’t count.

But we didn’t replace Hopkins & the passing game was aiight.

& while we didn’t replace Fuller per se, I think the team is going towards a run heavy offense. A lot of gambles, Brit, Cannon, McCray, & Taylor... if those guys are healthy we’re going to be able to run the ball. Counting Tunsil the majority of the line learned to do their job outside of Houston.

Philip Lindsay & Mark Ingram upgrades our RBs.

Running the ball, controlling the game is going to help the defense.

No, I’m not expecting a division winning season. But I don’t think Caserio is aiming at 1-16 either. Most likely 6-9 wins & something to build on is my guess.
 


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