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Clowney, then what?

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Roddy White ‏@roddywhiteTV ( WR Falcons)
Whatever we do is ok but I want Clowney
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Alshon Jeffery: Jadeveon Clowney will be in Hall of Fame
Clowney as a pro?
Alshon Jeffrey: He's gonna be a monster, a game changer

If you're the Texans, take him at #1?
A.J.: No question, can't miss

What makes him so good?
A.J.: His first step, how fast he gets off the ball.
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Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
If I'm the @HoustonTexans, I'd rather have Clowney/Mettenberger than a first-round QB and second-round DE/OLB.
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Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero
Jadeveon Clowney pro day today. Texted Bill Parcells who thinks JC athletically fits 3-4 OLB but says mental part required for transition.
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mike freeman ‏@mikefreemanNFL
Why is no one going after Clowney with a broom?
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CollegeFootball 24/7 ‏@NFL_CFB
Clowney drawing rave reviews. Mayock: I've seen enough. DL coaches are shaking their heads + laughing
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Steve Palazzolo ‏@StevePalazzolo
He sees McGinest RT @JaysonBraddock: Romeo Crennnel is in Jadeveon Clowney's hip pocket during these LB drills. #Texans
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Eye on Football ‏@EyeOnNFL
But can Jadeveon Clowney drop into coverage? Oh right. He can: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...n-clowney-south-carolina-pro-day-live-updates … http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/jadeveon-clowney-drills.gif …
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Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
I went into my study of Clowney thinking he would be a lazy bum. I was wrong. doubled all the time & still got pressure.

Time to lock in on Clowney with first pick on ALL of your mock drafts unless texans trade back. Can drop in coverage and is conditioned
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Stephen White ‏@sgw94
Clowney broad jumped three yards in the air over bags then reached down to pick up tennis balls while sprinting.....
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SN's Vinnie Iyer ‏@vinnieiyer
Jadeveon Clowney pro day: Time to put work ethic talk to rest http://dlvr.it/5JCbmL
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Jacksonville Jaguars ‏@jaguars
Clowney on his Pro Day: “Have fun with it, it’s football.”

Read more: http://bit.ly/editorial040214 pic.twitter.com/7X9U2b8Ngp
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Panthers Pro ‏@PanthersPro 41m
Even jumping bags, Clowney wows 'em http://www.snsanalytics.com/V5qIy1
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NFL Media PR ‏@InsideNFLMedia
Mayock on Clowney: "From a God-given natural physical ability, he has more than anybody that ever played defensive end."

Mayock on Clowney: "As good or better an athlete, I believe, than Mario Williams. Reminds me of Bruce Smith back in his heyday."
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Elsombrero941 ‏@elsombrero941
Tony Dungy: Yo tomaría a Jadeveon Clowney con la primera selección global http://wp.me/p3R04E-95
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Tedy Bruchi on Jadeveon Clowney and his fit with Crennel

CollegeFootball 24/7 ‏@NFL_CFB
.@Texans' Bill O'Brien has "absolutely" no concerns about Jadeveon Clowney's work ethic. http://on.nfl.com/1mASSnE
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Hervoyel said:
But you don't reach at #1 to keep yourself from later reaching at #33. We all see things maybe a little differently but for me I explained why I'd go ahead and take the shot at Clowney first overall. If we did that and they didn't see a guy at #33 or beyond who they believed in I'd roll with Fitz and Keenum for a year rather than reaching.

Just play evil defense for a season and win as many as we can. Come back at the problem in 2015 if necessary.
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That's what I was saying in my post. If you go with Clowney just continue to go with BPA across the board as much as possible. I'm cool with rolling with the guys on our roster if it meant we didn't reach on a QB in the middle rounds. Something tells me that because they are so adamant about drafting a QB in this draft though that won't be the case.
 
_King_ said:
Obrien said he expects to be in nickel 70% of the time.
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Where did you hear/read this and what does BOB know about running a defense? Did RAC ever run a defense anything like this? I don't recall it myself, but I didn't follow him close in KC.

I find this extremely difficult to believe because a basic nickel formation features 3 CBs and 4 DLine (at least people playing that position). Which is very unusual to me because we have 2 CBs on the roster currently worth a damn and 1 DLineman worth a damn.

Why would you make a base formation you're gonna play 70% of the time one that you have zero personnel to run? This might be true, but I highly doubt it, and if it is true, it makes no sense to me.
 
Doc can probably answer this question, but the other concern is what is the likelihood he's going to need surgery eventually for the bone spur issue he's having?
 
If I'm the @HoustonTexans, I'd rather have Clowney/Mettenberger than a first-round QB and second-round DE/OLB.

I'd buy this for a dollar.
 
Clowney is not my personal choice .... but I'm coming around to the idea of taking the guy with the most ability in this draft , I just worry that if they don't fix the QB problems , we'll be looking for a QB for several years. Now if you could move back up from #33 to pick up one of Manziel or Bortles .... say around 20 , I'd have no complaints. Just not so sure one of those QB's drops that far.
 
TexansFTW said:
Where did you hear/read this and what does BOB know about running a defense? Did RAC ever run a defense anything like this? I don't recall it myself, but I didn't follow him close in KC.

I find this extremely difficult to believe because a basic nickel formation features 3 CBs and 4 DLine (at least people playing that position). Which is very unusual to me because we have 2 CBs on the roster currently worth a damn and 1 DLineman worth a damn.

Why would you make a base formation you're gonna play 70% of the time one that you have zero personnel to run? This might be true, but I highly doubt it, and if it is true, it makes no sense to me.
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NFL is in nickel/dime 70% of the time, RAC will run nickel 70% of time, OB has been quoting this number since he was still a candidate for HC and as recently as at the 3/31 Town Hall Q&A: http://bit.ly/Oehy9n
 
I worry about Clowney's ability to play OLB in Crennel's traditional scheme, but I have little doubt of his ability to play with his hand in the dirt.

I could definitely get behind the pick if we are going to be in nickel as often as O'Brien is predicting.
 
Texn4life said:
Doc can probably answer this question, but the other concern is what is the likelihood he's going to need surgery eventually for the bone spur issue he's having?
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From my 12/16/13 post:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2270002&postcount=117
Clowney has been dealing with the bone spur(s) of his foot since high school. He also missed time for this problem last season and this season, he has played lame. We don't know if it is a single spur or multiple spurs....if it is a heel spur or ankle spur. If it is an isolated spur, surgery may cure him. If multiple spurs, as chronic as it has been, it could very well be a reflection of significant arthritic changes. Unfortunately, like usual, we have little information to work with. One thing I can pretty well tell you is that if he has surgery after the season, he won't be at the Combine, and teams will likely have to make a decision on what they've seen so far. He should be ready to go for the 2014 season no matter was his pathology is. His performance will be dictated by the extent of the pathology that required attention. I don't like the fact that this has been a chronic problem already.......in a very young player.........a pass rusher that needs no compromise of any type with his ability to push off.
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Evidently, Clowney thought there were enough questions about some aspects of his performance that he did not want to have surgery right after the end of last season and miss the opportunity to perform for the Combine and Pro Day. Unfortunately, I would have felt much more comfortable had he chosen to have surgery right after the Combine, but certainly at least right after his Pro Day in order to have time to recover by the time rookie camp or at least OTAs begun. I believe that with his above history, surgery is in the cards. If he does not address his condition at all, I would hate to see him compromised throughout his rookie season.
 
Brisco_County said:
This pro day just made it possible for Houston to trade down. We just benefited either way.
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From the people I know and have talked, pro days aren't that influential. The media and talking heads react more to pro days moreso than decision makers. Anyone who thought clowney wouldn't look good doing athletic stuff hasn't been watching. The more pressing thing with clowney is bending to the qb. Get upfield and close the angle vs running past the qb. As far as him dropping in coverage, that's a waste. The few times he did it in college, he didn't have any concept of a route. Spurrier said it was done just as a changeup.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
From my 12/16/13 post:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2270002&postcount=117


Evidently, Clowney thought there were enough questions about some aspects of his performance that he did not want to have surgery right after the end of last season and miss the opportunity to perform for the Combine and Pro Day. Unfortunately, I would have felt much more comfortable had he chosen to have surgery right after the Combine, but certainly at least right after his Pro Day in order to have time to recover by the time rookie camp or at least OTAs begun. I believe that with his above history, surgery is in the cards. If he does not address his condition at all, I would hate to see him compromised throughout his rookie season.
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So knowing what you know, would you still draft him at 1.1?
 
leebigeztx said:
From the people I know and have talked, pro days aren't that influential. The media and talking heads react more to pro days moreso than decision makers. Anyone who thought clowney wouldn't look good doing athletic stuff hasn't been watching. The more pressing thing with clowney is bending to the qb. Get upfield and close the angle vs running past the qb. As far as him dropping in coverage, that's a waste. The few times he did it in college, he didn't have any concept of a route. Spurrier said it was done just as a changeup.
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pretty much agree with everything said, except for us outsiders pro days provide a glimpse behind the scenes into the person behind the mask. every athlete has a different response to handling pressure, there is no right or wrong just as long as results meet expectations. that being said Clowney doesn't fit as a OLB in a 3-4 defense. he is a RDE in a 4-3. Texans are blowing him up in attempts to get another team to trade up period.
 
beerlover said:
pretty much agree with everything said, except for us outsiders pro days provide a glimpse behind the scenes into the person behind the mask. every athlete has a different response to handling pressure, there is no right or wrong just as long as results meet expectations. that being said Clowney doesn't fit as a OLB in a 3-4 defense. he is a RDE in a 4-3. Texans are blowing him up in attempts to get another team to trade up period.
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Yep, pretty much. Stand clowney up and you will be very disappointed. He's a 43 rde,that's all.
 
beerlover said:
pretty much agree with everything said, except for us outsiders pro days provide a glimpse behind the scenes into the person behind the mask. every athlete has a different response to handling pressure, there is no right or wrong just as long as results meet expectations. that being said Clowney doesn't fit as a OLB in a 3-4 defense. he is a RDE in a 4-3. Texans are blowing him up in attempts to get another team to trade up period.
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That and potential "taking plays off" are my two biggest concerns with him. The bone spurs are a distant third. The fact that he CAN play 3-4 OLB doesnt mean that he SHOULD. I think he'll make a 4-3 team very happy indeed.
 
bah007 said:
I worry about Clowney's ability to play OLB in Crennel's traditional scheme, but I have little doubt of his ability to play with his hand in the dirt.

I could definitely get behind the pick if we are going to be in nickel as often as O'Brien is predicting.
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This. I wouldn't even mind if he's used like Demarcus Ware at first, then transitioned into a traditional LB over a couple of seasons. Let him do what he's good at almost exclusively at first & let him grow into the position.

Using him like Ware, basically a 4-3 DE from a two point stance, also allows him to use Jj the way Wade did. But it's also going to change what our NT, other DE, & ILBs... even our what our safeties do... & I don't know if it's worth it, or if RAC can adjust his scheme.

I'm also cautious of that 70% number.
 
disaacks3 said:
That and potential "taking plays off" are my two biggest concerns with him. The bone spurs are a distant third. The fact that he CAN play 3-4 OLB doesnt mean that he SHOULD. I think he'll make a 4-3 team very happy indeed.
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He could very well take plays off because of the bone spur.
 
I've posted this a few times but either people don't believe me or didn't read it, but When OB was talking about watt he said he'll be lined up as a 4tech (not traditional 5tech) and be one gaping most of the time. He said he's going to let watt do what he does best. GEt up field and get after it. Then he also made the 70% nickel comment. (Maybe a slight exaggeration, maybe based on us specifically vs teams we play, I don't know)

But assuming OB is being honest, I don't believe Clowney would be playing a traditional 34 role nearly as much as people think. I think the team would do for him like they claim to be doing for watt. Using guys at what they do best. They've also made multiple mentions of having a versatile scheme. Changing it based on the opponent. Obrien said he plans on moving watt around quite a bit.

So personally, I don't have this view of this fixed traditional 34.

I don't think we're going to take clowney anyways...I think we'll trade back with someone who wants him...

But regardless, OB himself said watt will play a lot of 4 tech and be one tapping and we'll be in nickel 70% of the time. That doesn't sound like a defense that would use clowney in a way that didn't best suit his skills.

Sounds more like a more flexible version of wades defense, tbh.
 
_King_ said:
I've posted this a few times but either people don't believe me or didn't read it, but When OB was talking about watt he said he'll be lined up as a 4tech (not traditional 5tech) and be one gaping most of the time. He said he's going to let watt do what he does best. GEt up field and get after it. Then he also made the 70% nickel comment. (Maybe a slight exaggeration, maybe based on us specifically vs teams we play, I don't know)

But assuming OB is being honest, I don't believe Clowney would be playing a traditional 34 role nearly as much as people think. I think the team would do for him like they claim to be doing for watt. Using guys at what they do best. They've also made multiple mentions of having a versatile scheme. Changing it based on the opponent. Obrien said he plans on moving watt around quite a bit.

So personally, I don't have this view of this fixed traditional 34.
I don't think we're going to take clowney anyways...I think we'll trade back with someone who wants him...

But regardless, OB himself said watt will play a lot of 4 tech and be one tapping and we'll be in nickel 70% of the time. That doesn't sound like a defense that would use clowney in a way that didn't best suit his skills.

Sounds more like a more flexible version of wades defense, tbh.
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1. It's real hard for me to believe this stuff until I hear it from RAC. I don't recall him ever running a system that did this. I also don't know if I should believe what a TE Coach then WR Coach then QB Coach then OC says about running a strong defense.

If we play the Broncos and the Saints 8 times a year each I get this, but we don't. It doesn't help to have a soft, sorry corner like Brandon Harris on the field and getting run over by a RB that breaks free or bull dozed by a TE, I just don't think I'm quite grasping this maybe, and possibly need to be educated more, but it's just not making sense to me.

2. ASSUMING he's honest and not trying to scare up a trade through mind games, I'd have to agree with you.

3. Again, I agree.

4. I think Clowney would be a strong fit if this was the actual system. What makes you say you don't?
 
Brisco_County said:
This pro day just made it possible for Houston to trade down. We just benefited either way.
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Take a king's ransom for Clowney or take Clowney.

Win-Win.

EDIT: BoB said we're going to be in Nickel/Dime about 70% of the time so technically Clowney will be playing as a DE for us. Perfect. 29.9% of the time he'll be standing up while rushing the passer and .1% of the time, he'll be dropping back in coverage.
 
I think the trade down folks are going to be mighty disappointed, as are the QB 1-1 folks. Clowney fits the locker room, he's a team first guy, HC has no concern about his motor, AND he's the best player available.

Last year we weren't able to produce any pressure, outside of JJ Watt, on D. Clowney creates havoc.

"I'd draft Jadeveon Clowney No. 1 overall and put his locker right next to @JJWatt." - Tedy Bruschi
 
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Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

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sign me up for this right here... This is the best case most realistic scenario...the only thing better is a trade down & us still ending up with these 2 players somehow and more picks
 
Texn4life said:
So knowing what you know, would you still draft him at 1.1?
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Not knowing all the details makes it difficult to know what may be corrective and for how long. However, looking at how well he moves now, I believe that this bone spur or bone spurs are probably still pretty localized and manageable with surgical intervention. If intentions are that he be "cleaned up," I still would be willing to take him at 1.1

Dishman said:
He could very well take plays off because of the bone spur.
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Very well could be. I've brought that up as my impression in past discussions here.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
From my 12/16/13 post:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2270002&postcount=117

Evidently, Clowney thought there were enough questions about some aspects of his performance that he did not want to have surgery right after the end of last season and miss the opportunity to perform for the Combine and Pro Day. Unfortunately, I would have felt much more comfortable had he chosen to have surgery right after the Combine, but certainly at least right after his Pro Day in order to have time to recover by the time rookie camp or at least OTAs begun. I believe that with his above history, surgery is in the cards. If he does not address his condition at all, I would hate to see him compromised throughout his rookie season.
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I think I read he had surgery for the bone spur very early on... like high school? Did you know about that and does that impact anything you've posted on his outlook? ( Could be wrong on this, I go through so much stuff.)
 
PapaL said:
I think the trade down folks are going to be mighty disappointed, as are the QB 1-1 folks. Clowney fits the locker room, he's a team, HC has no concern about his motor, AND he's the best player available.

Last year we weren't able to produce any pressure, outside of JJ Watt, on D. Clowney creates havoc.

"I'd draft Jadeveon Clowney No. 1 overall and put his locker right next to @JJWatt." - Tedy Bruschi
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Here's the video with Bruschi. I couldn't have said it better myself, especially about spraying perfume on the QBs. Ha

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...-Clowney/eca65e4a-f59b-40a1-ab3e-d69ca5d8ca9a
 
Blake said:
If you cant find a way to utilize Clowney in your scheme, get yourself a new scheme.
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OH, do you mean, Dumb It Down? :)

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
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Personally, I would rather have Bortles at 1.1 and Attaochu at 2.1 for two reason: A. The most important position on any football team is the QB and the Texans DO NOT have a true starting QB. B. IMHO Attaochu will have more successful NFL career than Clowney. IMHO I think Clowney's career will be closer to Aundray Bruce (played 10 years but no Pro Bowls) and Attaochu will be closer to Orakpo.
 
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If Clowney is the GREAT player that so many are making him out to be, he would have more than 3 sacks this year.

If you're going to tell me he was limited to 3 sacks because of all the times he was double blocked this year, then I have to ask, if college teams can limit Clowney to 3 sacks with double blocks, how many sacks are you expecting when NFL teams are double blocking Clowney?
 
Playoffs said:
I think I read he had surgery for the bone spur very early on... like high school? Did you know about that and does that impact anything you've posted on his outlook? ( Could be wrong on this, I go through so much stuff.)
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You're not wrong....I didn't include this reference specifically when I mentioned his high school bone spur issues........but it did include surgery. This information is buried in a single old ESPN article..........and, no, it would not change my impressions.:)



How Jadeveon Clowney got here
Originally Published: February 11, 2011

Clowney helped Gilmore and South Pointe to a state championship in 2008. He played nearly the entire season with a bone spur in his foot. Clowney finished with 17 sacks as a sophomore and elected to have surgery on the bone spur in January 2009.
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Here's a Sept 2013 article I just came across, about his problem and that surgery should have been entertained before now.


Is Jadeveon Clowney Making the Right Decision to Postpone Foot Surgery?
By Barrett Sallee , SEC Football Lead Writer
Sep 15, 2013

As it turns out, maybe South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney isn't 100 percent after all.

The junior standout had four tackles and a sack in the Gamecocks' 35-25 win over Vanderbilt in Columbia, S.C. on Saturday night, but that wasn't the big story.

Clowney told reporters following the game that he will undergo surgery after the season to remove bone spurs from his right foot.

"It's painful," Clowney said according to Chase Goodbread of NFL.com. "I'm out here playing on it, though, so I'm just trying to give everything I've got on it. Who knows what's going to happen out there? It doesn't really bother me when I am out there much. It's just builds up pain. The more I keep going on it, the more it bothers me."

Clowney's foot has caused him problems in the past, including last season when it forced him out of the Gamecocks' win over Wofford in November. But head coach Steve Spurrier had no idea it was this serious, according to Ryan Wood of the Charleston (S.C) Post and Courier.


Ryan Wood @rwood_SC

Spurrier on Clowney's foot: "If we had known he needed surgery in the offseason, he would've gotten it."


1:05 PM - 15 Sep 2013
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So what should Clowney do?

Obviously he wants to help his team win and get back to the SEC Championship Game, which has eluded him during his first two seasons with the program. But the sure-fire No. 1 draft pick has to keep his future in mind.
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Now that it is settled that we are taking Clowney with the 1st pick, all we need to determine is who will be there at QB with the first pick in the second round. Would be nice if Carr dropped but I doubt that happens.
 
kingtexan said:
Now that it is settled that we are taking Clowney with the 1st pick, all we need to determine is who will be there at QB with the first pick in the second round. Would be nice if Carr dropped but I doubt that happens.
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Are you going for zero chance of happening scenarios?
 
Texian said:
If Clowney is the GREAT player that so many are making him out to be, he would have more than 3 sacks this year.

If you're going to tell me he was limited to 3 sacks because of all the times he was double blocked this year, then I have to ask, if college teams can limit Clowney to 3 sacks with double blocks, how many sacks are you expecting when NFL teams are double blocking Clowney?
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I think the guys on 610 said that when Clowney saw one of his teammates go down with a season ending injury, he decided (or the coaches told him, don't remember which) to tone it down so that he can make it through the year.

Even if he becomes a poor man's Julius Peppers, or puts in the same effort like Mario Williams, he would still contribute in a big way for us just like Mario did before he got injured.
 
Yeah, I have to say they seem to be entertaining Clowney more than others. Having dinner with him before his pro-day, personally working him during and now I hear they are bringing him to Houston later in the month. Their interest is either very high on him or they are luring someone into a trade. I lean that this may be our pick which I'm cool with as long as RAC utilize him correctly. Good coaches adjust their gameplans to the personnel. Not the other way around. So if he's good at what he does then he'll find a place for Clowney to best utilize his skillset.
 
kingtexan said:
Don't think the owner of the franchise takes you to dinner to lure other teams into trades.

He is the pick ...
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Bob McNair had dinner with the night before his pro-day and later had come to Houston for another visit...Reggie Bush.

Aaah, all the fond memories of him as a Texan.
 
Texian said:
Personally, I would rather have Bortles at 1.1 and Attaochu at 2.1 for two reason: A. The most important position on any football team is the QB and the Texans DO NOT have a true starting QB.
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I don't think taking Bortles at 1.1, gets us any closer to having a true starting QB than taking Murray, Mettenberger, or even McCarron at 2.1.... or even trading back into the first to get Manziel/Bortles/Bridgewater around 20 if he drops that far.

That's the only way I take a QB at 1.1, he's got to be heads & shoulders above the other QBs in the draft & Bortles just isn't. None of them are. Their success will have more to do with the team that drafts them than who they are right now. None of these guys are going to turn Cleveland, Buffalo, or Oakland into a winning franchise.
 
Texian said:
If Clowney is the GREAT player that so many are making him out to be, he would have more than 3 sacks this year.

If you're going to tell me he was limited to 3 sacks because of all the times he was double blocked this year, then I have to ask, if college teams can limit Clowney to 3 sacks with double blocks, how many sacks are you expecting when NFL teams are double blocking Clowney?
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I think the real question is then how many sacks does Watt get if they are busy doubling Clowney?
 
kingtexan said:
Don't think the owner of the franchise takes you to dinner to lure other teams into trades.

He is the pick ...
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The PATTERN of BEHAVIOR and MO for McNair and Company concerning draft picks is little or no contact, absent any limelight or fanfare.
 
Tailgate said:
I think the real question is then how many sacks does Watt get if they are busy doubling Clowney?
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About what he usually gets, so why the need for Clowney? And Watt still gets double digits sacks when he's double blocked, unlike Clowney.
 
Texian said:
If Clowney is the GREAT player that so many are making him out to be, he would have more than 3 sacks this year.

If you're going to tell me he was limited to 3 sacks because of all the times he was double blocked this year, then I have to ask, if college teams can limit Clowney to 3 sacks with double blocks, how many sacks are you expecting when NFL teams are double blocking Clowney?
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If Bortles was the GREAT QB you make him out to be he wouldn't have needed to come from behind in any game, throw any INTs, or ever get sacked. If you're telling me that the juggernaut conference that is the American Athletic Conference can contain Bortles, imagine what an NFL team with time nothing but time and resources will do to him.

See how stupid you sound?
 
kingtexan said:
Now that it is settled that we are taking Clowney with the 1st pick, all we need to determine is who will be there at QB with the first pick in the second round. Would be nice if Carr dropped but I doubt that happens.
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Noone who was a fan of the texans from the beginning wants a second helping of the Carr turd pie. Even if he was coming in with Andrew Luck type hype, i still don't think folks here could completely get onboard with that pick. Hell, I don't even think he'd want to come here having had a front row seat to watch his brother's demise in this town.

Pallilo said it correctly yesterday, fans would just be waiting for him to fail like his brother did. You can't have a fan base thinking like that.

Oh, & then there's that "laughing stock of the NFL" thing that you could take in any number of ways. Peppers & David Carr = :kubepalm:....... Derek Carr = :wadepalm::facepalm::vincepalm: They'd be like "do you guys learn nothing from the first go round?"

We'd officially be the Portland Trailblazers of the NFL.
 
Texian said:
If Clowney is the GREAT player that so many are making him out to be, he would have more than 3 sacks this year.

If you're going to tell me he was limited to 3 sacks because of all the times he was double blocked this year, then I have to ask, if college teams can limit Clowney to 3 sacks with double blocks, how many sacks are you expecting when NFL teams are double blocking Clowney?
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As a South Carolina fan who watched every game last year, it wasn't just the double teams that caused Clowney to only have 3 sacks. Many people don't realize how much the opposing teams offense game planned to take Clowney out of the game. Many teams changed their whole Offensive philosophy and switched to short passes and screens for a majority of their passing plays. No one, Not even Bruce Smith or Watt can get to the QB in 2 seconds which was basically what clowney had to deal with every game.
 
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