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Cleveland Browns Rumors: Talks for Houston Texans RB Ben Tate Surface
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Titans Sux 72
Waterboy
Tate was drafted to start (the Texans at the time did not know what they had in AF) and he isn't. 22nd pick by itself is good enough for me. He is a good backup but more picks are worth a lot more IMHO.
rush2112mn
Rookie
No way they let Tate go.
You need a quality backup for Foster in case he gets hurt.....like he was last year.
If you trade Tate away......who is your backup to Foster......no.....I dont like that idead of trading him away....
Your playing with fire if you trade Tate.....that makes no sence whatsoever.
Foster and Tate are a good combo....they feed off each other and push each other.....Foster likes the competition they have going at runningback....I like it too....
You let Tate go by trade.....then your going to have to WASTE A draft pick on another running back.....that is a waste of a draft pick.
We need our draft picks for other things .....not replacing a good running back....
You need a quality backup for Foster in case he gets hurt.....like he was last year.
If you trade Tate away......who is your backup to Foster......no.....I dont like that idead of trading him away....
Your playing with fire if you trade Tate.....that makes no sence whatsoever.
Foster and Tate are a good combo....they feed off each other and push each other.....Foster likes the competition they have going at runningback....I like it too....
You let Tate go by trade.....then your going to have to WASTE A draft pick on another running back.....that is a waste of a draft pick.
We need our draft picks for other things .....not replacing a good running back....
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Evidently, from someone who went to school with him, he had a previous DUI removed from his record. And his last DUI was accompanied by a 100+ (brought down to 92) mph tag.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
There are those that drink and get in bad time trouble.............and there are those like JJ that fall asleep in cars waiting to be served.:kubepalm:
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
With the new rookie salary cap the Texans would have plenty of space to sign a top 10 pick... Cam Newton the #1 pick in the draft only got a 22 million dollar contract.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
The Browns aren't giving up a 1st for Tate, even #22, unless we send something else with Tate like our 3rd. The Browns would probably give up their 2nd for Tate, but that's about it. I don't have a problem turning him into the #37 pick because I know we can get RBs later in the draft. We have other more pressing needs now that could be addressed at 37, and then utilize our 4th for RB instead. We could get a starting RG with that pick like Kevin Zeitler. I think it would make a lot of sense if we are truly in the "win now" state of mind.
You can get them late in the draft though (we've got a pretty great example of that on our team). I'd love to retain Tate, but it must come at the right price.
rofl
Why Zeitler? He's more of an inline power blocker that would fit a scheme like the Steelers. Konz has the mobility to play in the ZBS, and could move to Guard. He would be a better fit for the Texans.
panamamyers
Waterboy
I think you would be foolish not to do it for the #22 pick.
Tate is a backup. A great backup, but a backup.
With the #22 pick, we would get a starter. Kendall Wright let's say.
You can get a backup running back in the 6th round, Cyrus Gray or Edwin Baker for instance.
Would you rather have Kendall Wright as a starting receiver and Cyrus Gray as your backup running back or Kevin Walter as a starting receiver and Ben Tate as your backup running back.
To me, unless it's a position that isn't as important such as fullback, you always upgrade your starters at the expense of downgrading your backups.
Tate is a backup. A great backup, but a backup.
With the #22 pick, we would get a starter. Kendall Wright let's say.
You can get a backup running back in the 6th round, Cyrus Gray or Edwin Baker for instance.
Would you rather have Kendall Wright as a starting receiver and Cyrus Gray as your backup running back or Kevin Walter as a starting receiver and Ben Tate as your backup running back.
To me, unless it's a position that isn't as important such as fullback, you always upgrade your starters at the expense of downgrading your backups.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
They played together in the same system at Wisconsin, and they have nearly identical measurables in size and weight (6'4 and 6'5, both 315 pounds). Zeitler however is much stronger as displayed at the combine with 32 reps on the bench versus Konz's 18. While Konz is more mobile than Zeitler, I think either one could fit our system. However, if we are talking about playing Right Guard, I'll take the stronger of the two. If we are talking Center, I would prefer Konz. If we could get both, I'd be ecstatic, so picking Zeitler at 37 wouldn't deter me from taking Konz at 26.
PapaL
Loose Screw
He did pretty damn well as a starter, a starter, pretty damn well, when Foster was down.
Just saying, a backup is one snap away from being a starter. I'll take Tate over any unknown today.
panamamyers
Waterboy
Hey, I love Ben Tate. There were times when I thought he was better than Foster.
It's not like I am dying to give him away.
You always take a starter over a backup though, no matter how good that backup may be. If we can parlay, what to us is, a backup at one position(particularly a position in which there is only one on the field at a time) into a starter at another position of need we need to look at it.
If we need to sweeten the deal, I'd throw in Jacoby Jones since I think we'll be cutting him anyway.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Well I think that train has sailed for the Texans. I expect Jonathan Stewart to be dealt to the Browns if anyone is. He's in the last year of his deal, won't be much of a cap hit if traded, and he's a potential franchise RB. I would love to see the Browns get him for a 3rd and sign him to an extension. That would be a good deal for the Panthers as they were going to let him walk in 2013 anyways now that they signed Mike Tolbert.
/Deangelo Williams' contract makes him untradeable IMO.
And this is your idea of sweetening the deal?? To toss in a WR with suspect hands, questionable judgement, and decent return capability?
Did I mention the Browns already have the top returner in the AFC??
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Got any sources for that? All I had seen was #37 for him, which is kind of a wash for us. It would let us reallocate resources, but I don't like the idea of having nothing behind Foster. Plus, Foster's future is more important than getting another WR. A reliable RB like Tate is vital to extending Foster's career, which is the real reason Tate is so valuable to us. I think the Texans made the right choice.
I think once Cleveland knew that trade wasn't going to happen, they switched gears from Blackmon, Tannehill or Claiborne and went for Richardson. Peyton Hillis made that offense sort of work in 2011, and they need a bell-cow RB like TR or Tate to carry the load.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I really like Tate and know his worth in our system but if we could have picked #22 DeCastro and still selected rest of our draft, I'd like that also. Problem is I cannot find a RB at any of the other picks. I really like Brooks and he and DeCastro would erase my Oline concerns.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Why? We have been playing with Wade Smith and Mike Brisiel the last two years at guard, neither were highly sought after when we got them. Smith isn't even all that good and is rather mediocre in pass protection. Brisiel was a nobody that the Texans turned into a good player. They can do it again, the system isn't really that dependent on guard play. I think it's relatively plug and play at those spots.
If we were redrafting with 22 and 26, I'd probably want Donta Hightower at 22, and Coby Fleener at 26. But like you said, I don't know where to get a RB in this draft given our picks. I suppose you could get Lamar Miller in the 3rd somewhere, or Cyrus Grey in the 5/6th if they moved around a little.
I'd have taken that 22 & tried to parlay it into a 2nd in the 2012 draft & a 1st in the 2013 draft.
Or even 2 2nds next year.
We're getting to the position where we need to be stockpiling picks, building the collateral we'll need if there is a player we want to move up for.
Time to start acting like the Patriots & really work the draft.
Or even 2 2nds next year.
We're getting to the position where we need to be stockpiling picks, building the collateral we'll need if there is a player we want to move up for.
Time to start acting like the Patriots & really work the draft.
If the Texans could've gotten #22 I would've done this deal.
#22. Hill
Re-sign Ward
Pick Cyrus Gray in the 5-6th rd.
I doubt this trade was offered though
#22. Hill
Re-sign Ward
Pick Cyrus Gray in the 5-6th rd.
I doubt this trade was offered though
this obviously would have been before the start of the draft since the Browns traded up to insure that they got Richardson.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0900...-draft-trade-tracker-details-of-all-the-moves
and would not have traded an additional 1st for a back-up RB.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Geez, someone actually put some thought into this.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Why would you entertain trading Ben Tate this year? This time next year, sure. He would be entering his final year of his contract. Right now, I like the offense that ran for (between Foster and Tate) 2,166 yards. Of that, 942 were from Tate which is pretty substantial for someone with very limited opportunities.
SO, keep him around now and entertain trade ideas this time next year... NOT now.
SO, keep him around now and entertain trade ideas this time next year... NOT now.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I'm gonna disagree TK. We have picks next season with the comps, I wanted another first round selection now, especially if it was DeCastro who would start this season.
rush2112mn
Rookie
All this trade Tate crap.....makes no sence. He is your insurance policy if Foster is hurt. Forsett took Ward's place. You trade Tate away. I just dont think that is very sound.
I have said this before.....Foster and Tate make a good combo.....Foster the slasher....Tate the bruiser. They feed off each other. They both complement each other.
I just think it is a mistake to do trade him and am against it .........
I have said this before.....Foster and Tate make a good combo.....Foster the slasher....Tate the bruiser. They feed off each other. They both complement each other.
I just think it is a mistake to do trade him and am against it .........
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I'm just commenting on the bolded, TK. I know you're meaning gathering the amount of picks they do, not who they've selected. But, I giggle every time I hear how good the Pats are in the draft. IMO, half the time when they're moving up and down the board they're missing on good players. When they do actually select someone they suck. Maybe winning the most number of picks in a draft is a win for BB, but if 75% of those picks suck then you've failed your team.
Patriots drafting = Suck
Agreed! Heck, I'm not even sure I'd look at trading him then. We need both he and Arian, but I understand Tate will want to start and be paid like one.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
1st- I would not trade Tate right now.
2nd- In principle, I agree that Belichek gets too much credit now, because of how great he was (and the entire organization) for about a 5 year period between 2001 and 2006.
However, the Patriots have masterfully worked the draft. Though they have made plenty of personnel mistakes, they have been able to continually flood the team with young, inexpensive talent, thereby managing the cap so that they have now had an 11 year run of great success that looks to continue indefinitely. To be consistent Superbowl contenders and have won no less than 9 games in each of the past 11 or 12 seasons is a remarkable achievement in the salary cap era.... Remember, they went 11-5 without Brady (this isn't only about him). They are doing things that we will never see another organization accomplish under the salary cap system.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Texans ability to run the ball is key to passing game. Injury attrition @ RB position means you need at least three solid productive backs with another one stashed on practice squad. Tate's numbers will appear padded opposite Foster because of the system & wearing down opposing defenses. He will either get a nice bump in his contract here or be dealt for plus value, he does have the workhorse pedigree, displayed while playing @ Auburn.
All this trade Tate crap.....makes no sence. He is your insurance policy if Foster is hurt. Forsett took Ward's place. You trade Tate away. I just dont think that is very sound.
I have said this before.....Foster and Tate make a good combo.....Foster the slasher....Tate the bruiser. They feed off each other. They both complement each other.
I just think it is a mistake to do trade him and am against it .........
This depends on
1. How you feel about the current WR corps. (I dont care for them much)
2. If you feel like Ward and Forsett could do the job if Foster went down. (I do feel like they could handle the job.)
3. If you want to trade Tate when his value is high.
I understand the other side of the coin and why people were against trading Tate. I just feel like WR2 is a more pressing problem than RB2.
I agree. Last few drafts hadn't worked out very well for them. But I'm thinking... Let's say, for whatever reason, Yates & Keenum don't look like the heir apparents we think they are next season, or the season after.
& a Jay Cutler drops out of the top ten, sitting there at 11.
It would be nice to have the capital to go up & get him, than having to give up your whole draft. If we have the same front office we've got now, we'll probably just miss out on the guy.
For all you Matt Schaub fans, I'm saying another 2 to 3 years of Schaub. We can't honestly expect much more than that can we? Not performing as he has or better, I don't think.
What kind of plus value did the Saints get for Sproles? Or Michael Turner?
(Damn, the Chargers & Norv Turner look like idiots)
GP
Go Texans!
A solid 2012 and Ben Tate will be PRIMED for trading after the season is over.
In fact, with Foster having just inked a nice big contract, meaning he's locked up for the next several years, I'm all for getting Ben the ball as much as we can.
I don't think any of us are under the illusion that we can afford everyone AND Ben Tate if he has a very solid 2012. In fact, the guy would deserve the chance to go and be a RB1 for somebody else anyways.
Here's to hoping we parlay something 1st round'ish out of Ben Tate after he helps us win a SB this year!
In fact, with Foster having just inked a nice big contract, meaning he's locked up for the next several years, I'm all for getting Ben the ball as much as we can.
I don't think any of us are under the illusion that we can afford everyone AND Ben Tate if he has a very solid 2012. In fact, the guy would deserve the chance to go and be a RB1 for somebody else anyways.
Here's to hoping we parlay something 1st round'ish out of Ben Tate after he helps us win a SB this year!
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
A solid 2012 and Ben Tate will be PRIMED for trading after the season is over.
In fact, with Foster having just inked a nice big contract, meaning he's locked up for the next several years, I'm all for getting Ben the ball as much as we can.
I don't think any of us are under the illusion that we can afford everyone AND Ben Tate if he has a very solid 2012. In fact, the guy would deserve the chance to go and be a RB1 for somebody else anyways.
Here's to hoping we parlay something 1st round'ish out of Ben Tate after he helps us win a SB this year!
I think there will be a couple teams looking to score Tate from us next year, teams like the 49ers (Gore is old), Lions (no RBs), Steelers (Mendenhall is retarded and Redman is iffy), Bengals (young team needs a reliable RB), Packers (need a pass catching RB that can protect the QB), Giants (Bradshaw is quick, Tate could compliment him well), Broncos (McGahee is old) or even the Colts (do they have a RB?). Plenty of teams can use Tate, he's really versatile and shouldn't be pigeonholed into a specific scheme.
I think he will be quite appealing next year, and may be used in a multi-pick trade. We should have 4 comp picks coming our way, which gives us 11 going into the draft. Seems like a lot, so why not take Tate and a 4th and move into the mid-first? I would do that if the Bengals were offering as I don't expect them to make the playoffs.
drs23
Veteran
Not to derail here but I'm thinking the Bengals are looking pretty good for this season. With the moves they've made and the Red Rifle in his 2nd year I think they're going to be competitive.
But then I thought my first wife was hot AND faithful, so what do I know?
FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
But then I thought my first wife was hot AND faithful, so what do I know?
Hey be glad you got a "hot" one... mine's so ugly she can't be unfaithful /DUCK!!!
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Not to derail here but I'm thinking the Bengals are looking pretty good for this season. With the moves they've made and the Red Rifle in his 2nd year I think they're going to be competitive.
But then I thought my first wife was hot AND faithful, so what do I know?
Yeah, but the glaring hole in their offense right now is RB. They let Cedric Benson go, who was a workhorse for them, and I think he was more important than they realized. They had the money to keep him, but instead are just saving money before the 90% floor is implemented next year. BGE simply isn't an every-down RB, and I think they will be unpleasantly surprised next year to learn this the hard way. They will be hurting for a RB and Tate will probably be better than every RB in the draft besides Lattimore.
I also wouldn't put it past the Texans to use Tate and some picks (late 1st) to jump up into the top 5 and grab a QB if Schaub doesn't work out this year. Teams that are already invested in QBs already like the Dolphins, Rams and Raiders may be willing to drop 20 spots for Tate, a 1st and a 3rd.