Malloy
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Curious, can you trade a player that failed his physical ?
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Cleveland Browns Rumors: Talks for Houston Texans RB Ben Tate Surface
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Curious, can you trade a player that failed his physical ?
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
You can if the team taking the player agrees to accept him. Broderick Bunkley was traded from the Eagles to the Browns last year, but the deal was rescinded when he failed a physical. The Eagles turned around and sent him to the Broncos a week or two later, and he played the entire season for them. Now the Broncos are trying to sign him to a longterm deal.
Blake
MMQB
Nobody wants an Eric Winston who cant pass a physical, @ the back end of his bloated contract. And on top of that give up a draft pick? No thanks. They want him on their terms. Not ours.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I would make that trade yesterday. That would not be a good trade for Cleveland. The 4 is just too valuable.
Think about this. Re-sign Ward; trade the 26 and Tate for the 4. We can then try and move down in the draft from 4 to like 15 and that would net us a 1st round next year at least. So we would have moved up 10 spots and we'd have two 1st rounders next year. At the middle of the first this year we could look at Floyd or an OT or Decastro at OG.
I just think there's no way Cleveland would do that deal. No way.
John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL Close
Ben Tate has 2 years left on his contract. He did an outstanding job. Coaches love him. He should be even better next season. Going nowhere.
John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL Close
Forget anything you read or hear about the Texans considering trading RB Ben Tate to Browns. Not going to happen.
well thats closed then
I was kinda thinking that this means it's a done deal.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Who do you replace Tate with?
badboy
Hall of Fame
whoops, I guess wrong; thought it was the Arnold Sci Fy movie where he went to Mars (or didn't). Total Recall if I recall correctly.I'm thinking thunderkyss and Bill can both kiss my ass.
The pill referance was the the move Matrix by the way. I'm surprised no one caught that.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Derrick Ward?
LT?
Tim Hightower?
BenJarvus Green-Ellis?
Ryan Grant?
Cyrus Grey in the 4th!
Lots of option. They aren't better than Tate, but they can take some carries.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Do we have to have a back up OLB in first?Not to worry. With two first round picks we give one to Wade and the other to Gary. One of 'em is bound to be good. One is our Mario replacement and the other our Myers/Brisiel replacement. I smell win-win.
And if it were me, I'd squeeze the Brownies for a 6th too ...just cause with Hillis gone I know they be desperate.
Blake
MMQB
There are alot of FA RB's out there, and im sure a few of them fit our scheme. Thats for Gary and his staff to decide.
http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/running-back/
Also the draft will produce a few zone runners in the later rounds or Undrafted Free Agents. Here are a couple.
Bernard Pierce, Temple
Isaiah Pead, Cincinnati
Robert Turbin, Utah State
LaMichael James, Oregon
You are not paying enough attention the NFL if you think this.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Wasn't being critical just want some options to think on. I like Ward but he will be 32 even if not a lot of wear.Derrick Ward?
LT?
Tim Hightower?
BenJarvus Green-Ellis?
Ryan Grant?
Cyrus Grey in the 4th!
Lots of option. They aren't better than Tate, but they can take some carries.
I was reviewing Grey this morning but like Turbin better.
GP
Go Texans!
I'm good to go with Turbin, too. That makes three of us who like Turbin.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I get it, trades are less common in the NFL, but it's a matter of need vs value. Look at this guy:
Jared Gaither got $9 M guaranteed, $13.5 M in the first 2 years of his deal with the Chargers. $18.5 M in first 3 yrs
A guy who played in 26 of 48 games over the last 3 years got that much, and you don't think Winston at 4.5 million a year is an attractive contract? Winston hasn't missed a start since he was given the position in 2006. The dude is worth that much for sure.
drs23
Veteran
Derrick Ward?
LT?
Tim Hightower?
BenJarvus Green-Ellis?
Ryan Grant?
Cyrus Grey in the 4th!
Lots of option. They aren't better than Tate, but they can take some carries.
Yes. A bruiser who doesn't go backwards and has yet to fumble. A good second back IMHO.
I am not saying that it should not be the way you are thinking, but the NFL values (over probably) draft picks greatly. I didn't feel like looking it up, but I can't remember the last straight 1st rounder for player trade.
Carson Palmer for a 1st and more last year to go to the Raiders. Tate is highly unlikely to get a 1st though, I agree with you there.
I'm thinking thunderkyss and Bill can both kiss my ass.
The pill referance was the the move Matrix by the way. I'm surprised no one caught that.
Oh, I caught it.
Just thought you might need that other blue pill.
That's another reason it's difficult to get a good draft pick for a player. The Browns can draft a RB and have him under contract for 4 or 5 years.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
With our luck his first fumble would come with us and be really, REALLY important.
SteveSlaton20
Rookie
Your sentence doesn't even make any sense. If he was missing the WRs, there'd no chance at dropping the ball.
Cleveland have other needs before they go and ruin another QB. The only linemen they have that's worth anything is Joe Thomas and maybe Alex Mack. Their best target is Ben freaking Watson... That should tell you about their WRs... Greg Little could be a decent WR but he simply drops too much. Not to mention Colt had little to no help in the run game, since Hillis and Hardesty(sp?) were hurt for some of the season and weren't very effective when they were in the games. To blame Colt for all of those drops is just ridiculous, and there's not QB worth getting in this draft unless Luck or RGIII somehow don't get drafted by the Colts or Redskins. The Browns needs to improve their offense with skill players this year and if Colt doesn't pan out, next year QB class is DEEP.
That said, I wouldn't even attempt to trade Ben Tate unless the Browns are willing to give up their 22nd pick. Ben Tate is a proven player who's going to get better, and we need a good backup for Foster, and Tate is the perfect guy for that.
But Gaither didn't cost a draft choice and a contract. All the Chargers had to do was pay Gaither.
What is a draft pick worth in NFL money? That's a part of the equation that teams have computed but fans don't have a handle on.
Not necessarily. But I'm thinking (and I know all this is imaginary) that if we give one of the firsts to Wade, he's gonna want to replace the first string pass rusher he just lost (to those A-holes who FIRED him no less!). I just figure Wade will want to fill out the OLB rotation. Even Uncle Bob said the other day that Wade would like to have 3 studs in that rotation.
And if Wade picks him, maybe he won't be the backup. Maybe he leap frogs Brooks.
Are you good with only Barwin, Reed, Nading, and Braman? Because that's all the OLBs we have on the roster now.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Honest question....what's wrong with Braman? Dude showed some flashes as a rookie. I think we forget about him.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah I like Turbin in 4th only if we lose Tate.
James Harrison was cut from the Steelers twice before he became the player we know today.
That said, there is nothing wrong with Brahman & we aren't forgetting about him. I think we need three talented pass rushers before we can say "we're set" at OLB. Brahman is a maybe.
We can't count Brahman & not address the position in the offseason & expect to do as well next year as we did in 2011.
Think of it like this. In 2009, Glover Quin was our best CB, Brice McCain was arguably our second. We ditched Dunta, drafted a first round rookie & viola.......
Right now, Brahman is a fraction of a hair better than a second day draft pick; as far as projections go.
Nothing's wrong with him but he was mainly a special teams guy. I didn't see anything that said he's ready to be a key part of the OLB rotation. Dressed out all 16 games - only 8 tackles. As a comparison, Nading saw action in 11 games and had 11 tackles, 2 forced fumbles, and one fumble recovery.
I guess I'd just like to see an upgrade.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Braman is a great back end of the roster player with starter potential. I love the guy. ...
My 11 year old son is a very thoughtful, mature young man. One day, barring the unforeseen, he will make a very reliable driver. However, I'm not handing him my keys, the car, and a license yet. I'm going to wait for things to unfold and see how he handles adolescence.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Errr...HELLZ Yeah!!...But you're living in dreamland if you think they give up #4 for Tate, I can't really see them giving up #22 unless we were to throw in some sweetner. And in keeping with current themes, there's a thread for that!
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
I have my number 44 Texans shirt on today, so HELL NO!
Maybe tomorrow...
Maybe tomorrow...
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
He's a difference maker ... big time. No way Browns do that. Silly
GP
Go Texans!
The idea we could get #4 for Tate is stunning. There's ZERO chance. Foster might do the trick, but never would the Browns hand us the #4 pick for Tate.
And to be honest, I once had a man crush on Blackmon. But lately I don't have that bromance for him like I did. Something tells me he could be over-hyped for what he'll encounter in the NFL.
It's fun to watch him pick on teams like TTU and other Big 12 teams who have low secondary talent. Yay. What will he do when he's challenged in the NFL every Sunday by the best of college CBs...guys who have been a CB in the NFL for 3 or 4 or 5 years and then the Safeties also come over and play help on that side, too? Does he go Randy Moss and stop running his routes since it's no longer "easy pickins"? Does he let up? Drag his ass on plays?
Too early to anoint Blackmon as AJ version 2.0.
And to be honest, I once had a man crush on Blackmon. But lately I don't have that bromance for him like I did. Something tells me he could be over-hyped for what he'll encounter in the NFL.
It's fun to watch him pick on teams like TTU and other Big 12 teams who have low secondary talent. Yay. What will he do when he's challenged in the NFL every Sunday by the best of college CBs...guys who have been a CB in the NFL for 3 or 4 or 5 years and then the Safeties also come over and play help on that side, too? Does he go Randy Moss and stop running his routes since it's no longer "easy pickins"? Does he let up? Drag his ass on plays?
Too early to anoint Blackmon as AJ version 2.0.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I actually hope that we somehow end up with Michael Floyd..........with Blackmon's history, he may have too many problems staying out of Houston bars.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
what it would really mean if we get the Skids #4 pick is that the Browns GM is smoking crack. If that is the case, we just need to send them some brillo and a few rocks...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Especially since the Texans' WRs (sometimes others join) go out as a group to a bar each Thursday including AJ although he is very low key and not a big drinker.
ThaJokaa
True Texans Fan
I wouldnt mind Floyd, Wright or Jeffery
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I'm not crazy about taking anybody from Notre Dame. Seems like everyone they produce becomes worthless.
I would do it for #37 and their 5th round pick. That would give us a lot of options early in the draft. We could use #26 and #37 to trade up into the early teens and draft Floyd or Decastro. Or we could use one of them to trade down to stockpile e tra picks. There is going to be some very good value in this draft in the middle rounds.
I would demand 22 & a 2nd for Tate & 26..... if I can't get the 2nd, I'd want this year's 3rd & next years.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Well, there was that one...
What's Blackmon's history? Because I know that Floyd is still on probation for a DUI last year. Floyd was also arrested in 2010 for underage drinking.
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
Lol... I almost looked Floyd up because I thought he had been in trouble... is it too late for NNN to edit his post? I hate when that happens...
I was honestly wondering what he knew about Blackmon. Are there any WRs out there without a rap sheet?