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CJ Stroud year 2

Sweech said:
Okay but then you're missing the part where the QBs wanted that. Your whole point seems to hinge on a bunch of hypotheticals that aren't happening and only looking at things at a surface level of analysis.

Also missing the part of how a staff has to work as one entity as well.
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I'm not talking specifically this team or any team in general. But if a franchise QB wanted someone on the staff, then it would be idiotic not to oblige. Lose the QB because of stubbornness, you'll be going down a road you could easily have avoided.
 
thunderkyss said:
But there's a reason that guy isn't a "real" coach. No legit organized football entity has decided to give this guy money.

& even if you did that the player would have to find another person to work with him in the offseason since his old "QB coach" would not be allowed to work with the player outside of team activities according to the CBA.
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That bottom part is the answer to my question. Thank you
 
Deadpool said:
I'm not talking specifically this team or any team in general. But if a franchise QB wanted someone on the staff, then it would be idiotic not to oblige. Lose the QB because of stubbornness, you'll be going down a road you could easily have avoided.
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I'm not sure you should always bend over backwards for anyone. The Jets are learning that the hard way with Rodgers right now.
 
Deadpool said:
If I had a franchise QB who was comfortable with a personal coach and wanted him at QB coach (not even talking about calling plays), I'd immediately leave my ego at the door and bring the guy in. To do otherwise would be dumb at best.
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I’m not in the business of hiring employees who force their buddies on me.
 
Deadpool said:
But yet if this was 2012 Rodgers they'd be top of the league. Maybe not bending over backwards for a has-been is the right thing to say.
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Even then I don't think it's right. I don't think you'll ever win doing things like that. Upsets any semblance of power structure and ultimately disrupts structure as a whole.
 
Sweech said:
Even then I don't think it's right. I don't think you'll ever win doing things like that. Upsets any semblance of power structure and ultimately disrupts structure as a whole.
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Completely disagree but all good. You can take the path to mediocrity and having your franchise QB not play interested football, I'll take the path to greatness and have a motivated franchise QB
 
Lucky said:
The NFL is not compatible to real life. When an employee makes 10x more than his boss, you can see the dynamics are much different.
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Yes dynamics are different but that’s not really what I was angling for. The NFL is a business like any other one, small or big, and that is applicable to real life. I also realize you meant 10x more from a supervisory position vs a worker bee perspective but every coach/GM has a boss that he answers to… the owner. That is the dynamic I was referring to.

Employees handcuff other employees (even when they’re their boss) at a company all the time but I don’t see any NFL owner -ever- allowing a player to tell them how to operate their business. I’m sure it has happened before but it would have to be an aberration as businesses aren’t sustainable if their employees are earning 10x more than their owners. I do know that coaches/GMs often have it in their contracts that owners can’t meddle with coaching/GM affairs but come on now. Owners always make the final say.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Employees handcuff other employees (even when they’re their boss) at a company all the time but I don’t see any NFL owner -ever- allowing a player to tell them how to operate their business.
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How is a QB having a personal coach/trainer translate to telling an owner how to run their business? And again, your businesses has zero comparison to an NFL franchise. There are no parallels. It's not just the money, which is a universe apart. You don't deal with a binding union contract. Employment decisions that not only have to take performance into consideration, but marketing. You don't deal with media scrutiny. Nothing like a NFL franchise, and you're in a fantasy world if you think it is.
 
Lucky said:
How is a QB having a personal coach/trainer translate to telling an owner how to run their business? And again, your businesses has zero comparison to an NFL franchise. There are no parallels. It's not just the money, which is a universe apart. You don't deal with a binding union contract. Employment decisions that not only have to take performance into consideration, but marketing. You don't deal with media scrutiny. Nothing like a NFL franchise, and you're in a fantasy world if you think it is.
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Lol. Why are you so critical personally? You have no idea what I deal with. My industry is unionized depending on where we work. I never tried to make it sound like what I did was comparable to the NFL. Merely stating that I would never allow an employee to dictate how I run my business. Sorry you thought I have unrealistic NFL big dreams of what my business is as a result of that statement.

*eyeroll*

It translates because if a player is ordering an owner that he needs to have a no-name guy come on board as his personal assistant and then ultimately become the offense coordinator… he is essentially telling the owner how to operate the team. It changes complete game plans and personnel. Can you list NFL teams who have done this? I don’t even think Haslaan did it and he’s probably the worst of the owners historically.
 
Deadpool said:
Completely disagree but all good. You can take the path to mediocrity and having your franchise QB not play interested football, I'll take the path to greatness and have a motivated franchise QB
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If your QB can only derive motivation from playing with the exact coaches and staff that he wants that's quite simply a losing QB.

Just a losing football player really.

Honestly if you look down the list of the best of the best those guys are mental freaks. They derive motivation out of almost nothing. They do not need the exact guys they want on the team to be motivated and to be winners. Heck a lot of them won things and couldn't stand their coaches.

The kind of guy you're describing is basically Deshaun Watson - A loser.
 
Sweech said:
If your QB can only derive motivation from playing with the exact coaches and staff that he wants that's quite simply a losing QB.

Just a losing football player really.

Honestly if you look down the list of the best of the best those guys are mental freaks. They derive motivation out of almost nothing. They do not need the exact guys they want on the team to be motivated and to be winners. Heck a lot of them won things and couldn't stand their coaches.

The kind of guy you're describing is basically Deshaun Watson - A loser.
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Note: never said that he couldn't perform without him.

I just said if the guy wanted his personal coach on staff, then why not bring him on.
 
Lucky said:
How is a QB having a personal coach/trainer translate to telling an owner how to run their business? And again, your businesses has zero comparison to an NFL franchise. There are no parallels. It's not just the money, which is a universe apart. You don't deal with a binding union contract. Employment decisions that not only have to take performance into consideration, but marketing. You don't deal with media scrutiny. Nothing like a NFL franchise, and you're in a fantasy world if you think it is.
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Ownership doing what the QB wants them to do is a recipe for failure. See: Derrick and the Browns.
 
Lucky said:
Everything is about Watson with you. Keep in the appropriate threads.
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Not at all and this is just an example of ownership giving the keys to the franchise to a QB. You just don't like the example I used. This certainly isn't about Derrick, so I posted in the right thread.

Somebody is a little to sensitive when Derricks name is mentioned. I guess they want all things Derrick to go away. Can't stand being wrong.
 
I think when you're talking about guys like Brady and Manning who were perennial all-pro's for 10+ years and they wanted to have "their guys" on the coaching staff and training staff, that's fine. When you start giving second year players the keys to the franchise to make personnel decisions, that starts rubbing people in the org the wrong way.
 
steelbtexan said:
I guess they want all things Derrick to go away.
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Yes. Most of the members on this forum do, as well.
BattleBull said:
I think when you're talking about guys like Brady and Manning who were perennial all-pro's for 10+ years and they wanted to have "their guys" on the coaching staff and training staff, that's fine. When you start giving second year players the keys to the franchise to make personnel decisions, that starts rubbing people in the org the wrong way.
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No one has given anyone the keys to the franchise, or suggested so. Granted, I haven't read every post in this thread. But how in the bejesus did this notion arise?
 
Lucky said:
Yes. Most of the members on this forum do, as well.

No one has given anyone the keys to the franchise, or suggested so. Granted, I haven't read every post in this thread. But how in the bejesus did this notion arise?
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We were talking about Rodgers getting Saleh fired.

And no most members dont want the pervert that you used to worship to just go away. They want to see him in jail. You dont represent most members although I'm sure your ego is telling you differently. You're trying to go against the will of the MB because you dont like the subject. I know for a fact that mods have told you to follow the rules and you ignored them.

Look at the number of pages in the Derrick trade thread that you killed. (Against the rules BTW) Or the number of pages in the Derrick Lawsuit thread and maybe you will see the light.


Nah that will never happen, because you've never admitted to being wrong about anything on this MB. Or I'm going to guess and I'm a pretty good guesser, never been wrong about anything in your life. Some people are just wired this way, I've got a lot of family like you.
 
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Deadpool said:
Note: never said that he couldn't perform without him.

I just said if the guy wanted his personal coach on staff, then why not bring him on.
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You literally said, "have your qb play not interested football" because he can't get his favourite coach hired by the team.

Those are your words. Maybe you need to keep track of the argument you're making and the words you're using because you don't seem too sure of what it is you're saying.
 
welsh texan said:
I don’t know if all personal QB coaches have the same business model as Quincy Avery, but he doesn’t put all his eggs in one basket, he coaches a number of different QBs, isn’t tied into the political zeitgeist of any one club, he’s not going to get fired as QB coach because a defensive minded head coach can’t get a run game going for instance (which club positional coaches certainly can).

Clubs do hire QB coaches and QBs do hire their own personal coaches, and when it all meets up and works it works great, when you have someone like Watson getting pulled in several different directions, club want him to work on one thing, personal coach teaching him different and a load of outside distractions, it all goes the other way.

Don’t forget the NFLPA rules mean the club are limited in how much coaching they can offer the QB too, so if the QB wants to work more they have to use an outside source.
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Plus this doesn't take into account when the team/QB coach is coaching a dumbazz.
 
CJ Stroud is him.

but is he though? If he really is, it is time he steps up (even though he is still a bit young) and take this offense over. Slowick is holding this offense back and it is on Strouds shoulders to assert himself.
 
I wasn’t expecting CJ to deal with a sophomore slump, but watching this OL sure makes me think it’s them that’s suffering through the sophomore slump.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I wasn’t expecting CJ to deal with a sophomore slump, but watching this OL sure makes me think it’s them that’s suffering through the sophomore slump.
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CJ isn’t dealing with a sophomore slump, anymore than Tank Dell is, anymore than Slowik is.

And the offensive line isn’t dealing with one either. They just flat out suck. But a bad offensive is never gonna stop us keyboard warriors from pointing the finger somewhere else. And a bad offensive line is never going to prevent the play calling police from crawling out from under their rocks.

But all that aside, I’ve seen enough. The 5-2 record is horsesh!t. This offensive line is not going to get any better. The only improvements will have to wait until different, and hopefully, improved players are switched out during the offseason. Yeah, we might end up with a winning record, and still might end up winning the division.

But that’s as far as we’re going. And that wasn’t the goal.
 
Marcus said:
CJ isn’t dealing with a sophomore slump, anymore than Tank Dell is, anymore than Slowik is.

And the offensive line isn’t dealing with one either. They just flat out suck. But a bad offensive is never gonna stop us keyboard warriors from pointing the finger somewhere else. And a bad offensive line is never going to prevent the play calling police from crawling out from under their rocks.

But all that aside, I’ve seen enough. The 5-2 record is horsesh!t. This offensive line is not going to get any better. The only improvements will have to wait until different, and hopefully, improved players are switched out during the offseason. Yeah, we might end up with a winning record, and still might end up winning the division.

But that’s as far as we’re going. And that wasn’t the goal.
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I want the coaching upgraded. With the relative health, you cannot convince me that there is noone in the building that can look better then that steaming pile we saw Sunday
 
The only thing I’m willing to take off the table is a SB run. The o-line has its issues, but I’m pretty well convinced that the biggest issue is the playcalling.

everyone was ready to blame the o-line for the lack of a run game too when we couldn’t run the ball this year or last year for that matter. Mixon comes back, the run game looks explosive all of a sudden.

My thoughts are that Slowik has shown tendencies and teams have begun to key in on them. Tendencies with Personnel groupings…down and distance plays called…with who he’s calling plays for. Stover on the field, he’s about 95% of the time gonna be blocking…IOW’s he ain’t a threat in the pass game. Deep shots are basically non existent without Nico…Mixon off the field, 80% chance they’re not running. Pierce with 2 carries last week? Dare on the field 80% chance it’s a pass play. There’s also only so many ways you can run the ball out of shotgun. No one else is really featured as a threat in the pass game besides Diggs and Dell with Schultz getting occasional targets. Brown had at least 1 game last year when he went off…so where’s the uptick in targets for Hutchison now that Nico’s out? Hutchison is at least as talented.
Where’s the motion? Where’s the tempo? Where’s the spreading of the defense out? Where’s the scheming to get guys like Dell in space with the short hitch throws & bubble screens that I saw BAL utilize multiple times last night for Flowers. Defenses don’t have to think when going up against Slowik b/c he ain’t utilizing all the tools he has at his disposal and he’s not being creative enough.
 
Mr teX said:
The only thing I’m willing to take off the table is a SB run. The o-line has its issues, but I’m pretty well convinced that the biggest issue is the playcalling.

everyone was ready to blame the o-line for the lack of a run game too when we couldn’t run the ball this year or last year for that matter. Mixon comes back, the run game looks explosive all of a sudden.

My thoughts are that Slowik has shown tendencies and teams have begun to key in on them. Tendencies with Personnel groupings…down and distance plays called…with who he’s calling plays for. Stover on the field, he’s about 95% of the time gonna be blocking…IOW’s he ain’t a threat in the pass game. Deep shots are basically non existent without Nico…Mixon off the field, 80% chance they’re not running. Pierce with 2 carries last week? Dare on the field 80% chance it’s a pass play. There’s also only so many ways you can run the ball out of shotgun. No one else is really featured as a threat in the pass game besides Diggs and Dell with Schultz getting occasional targets. Brown had at least 1 game last year when he went off…so where’s the uptick in targets for Hutchison now that Nico’s out? Hutchison is at least as talented.
Where’s the motion? Where’s the tempo? Where’s the spreading of the defense out? Where’s the scheming to get guys like Dell in space with the short hitch throws & bubble screens that I saw BAL utilize multiple times last night for Flowers. Defenses don’t have to think when going up against Slowik b/c he ain’t utilizing all the tools he has at his disposal and he’s not being creative enough.
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The running game was explosive but it wasn’t explosive when we needed it to be the most. In the fourth quarter, the first rushing attempt went for 2 yards. The very next one Mixon got hit in the backfield ( blew up) for a 3 yard loss. Mixon third rushing attempt in that quarter went for 17 yards.

Then ;
1 yard gain
4 yard gain
1 yard loss
1 yard loss
2 yard gain
3 yard loss.

As far as Slowik, for some reasons it seems like he doesn’t want to run the same playbook from last season. He has more talent and like you stated, doesn’t know how to utilize those weapons.

Man even with the success in the running game, we couldn’t run play action off of it. The offensive line wasn’t giving CJ any time to go through his progressions. And when he did have a little time, his internal clock was way off.

It’s still early but I don’t see them clearing up these mistakes all across the board now. We’re going into week seven and it looks like things are getting worse.


The Colts are missing their best defensive lineman and they’re terrible against the run. Maybe this game can kick start them back in the right direction. Hopefully
 
Texansballer74 said:
The running game was explosive but it wasn’t explosive when we needed it to be the most. In the fourth quarter, the first rushing attempt went for 2 yards. The very next one Mixon got hit in the backfield ( blew up) for a 3 yard loss. Mixon third rushing attempt in that quarter went for 17 yards.

Then ;
1 yard gain
4 yard gain
1 yard loss
1 yard loss
2 yard gain
3 yard loss.

As far as Slowik, for some reasons it seems like he doesn’t want to run the same playbook from last season. He has more talent and like you stated, doesn’t know how to utilize those weapons.

Man even with the success in the running game, we couldn’t run play action off of it. The offensive line wasn’t giving CJ any time to go through his progressions. And when he did have a little time, his internal clock was way off.

It’s still early but I don’t see them clearing up these mistakes all across the board now. We’re going into week seven and it looks like things are getting worse.


The Colts are missing their best defensive lineman and they’re terrible against the run. Maybe this game can kick start them back in the right direction. Hopefully
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Can’t look at the run game like that man. It was explosive enough that it carried us & kept us on pace scoring wise with the Packers for most of the game..& it was explosive enough that the Packers made a concerted effort to stop it in the 4th As they’d already been successful in making us 1-dimensional by taking away the pass for pretty much all of the game.

Where Slowik failed was he didn’t figure out how to get the passing game untracked & he was too late with adjustments to what GB was doing. Especially when you consider the biggest plays on offense we had in those final couple of drives were CJ being a threat in the run game and him passing it.

again, some quick-hitting pass plays to get his guys in space to not only get the ball out of CJ’s hands quickly and give him easier reads, but those kinds of plays minimize the o-line’s exposure. Make those guys on defense rally and tackle…spread them out and stress them in those simulated pressure looks.

He should’ve been employing those types of plays & formations all game in conjunction with the run game. Instead, he kept calling lots of slow developing pass plays, bunch formations bringing more defenders into play at the LOS. I understand what he was trying to do in bring more bodies into to potentially protect CJ and create confusion on their backend, but it wasn’t working.
 
Marcus said:
CJ isn’t dealing with a sophomore slump, anymore than Tank Dell is, anymore than Slowik is.

And the offensive line isn’t dealing with one either. They just flat out suck. But a bad offensive is never gonna stop us keyboard warriors from pointing the finger somewhere else. And a bad offensive line is never going to prevent the play calling police from crawling out from under their rocks.

But all that aside, I’ve seen enough. The 5-2 record is horsesh!t. This offensive line is not going to get any better. The only improvements will have to wait until different, and hopefully, improved players are switched out during the offseason. Yeah, we might end up with a winning record, and still might end up winning the division.

But that’s as far as we’re going. And that wasn’t the goal.
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Tell me who's making the ol calls and I'll tell you who's having a sophomore slump. This ol basically has 2 rookies on it, Green and Scruggs and quality backups. They can't improve ? They played a close game on the road against a good team and lost on the last play of the game. Yet the season is over.

Let's get the team healthy and see where they stand.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me who's making the ol calls and I'll tell you who's having a sophomore slump. This ol basically has 2 rookies on it, Green and Scruggs and quality backups. They can't improve ? They played a close game on the road against a good team and lost on the last play of the game. Yet the season is over.

Let's get the team healthy and see where they stand.
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Agreed. Very overreactive to be honest. It's not like the team got destroyed. To hang with a very legit playoff contender is a great thing. Can't go 17-0.
 
…..in the same vein, if everything was happy-happy-joy-joy, Ryans wouldn’t have said anything about looking strongly at the OL’s performance. It was not a Super Bowl contender effort…..looked a bit more like a mid-draft pick slot effort. The Texans OL better be prepared for the Colts to bring a completely different defensive strategy, not the one they saw in GM1.
 
Marcus said:
CJ isn’t dealing with a sophomore slump, anymore than Tank Dell is, anymore than Slowik is.

And the offensive line isn’t dealing with one either. They just flat out suck. But a bad offensive is never gonna stop us keyboard warriors from pointing the finger somewhere else. And a bad offensive line is never going to prevent the play calling police from crawling out from under their rocks.

But all that aside, I’ve seen enough. The 5-2 record is horsesh!t. This offensive line is not going to get any better. The only improvements will have to wait until different, and hopefully, improved players are switched out during the offseason. Yeah, we might end up with a winning record, and still might end up winning the division.

But that’s as far as we’re going. And that wasn’t the goal.
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5-2 record horseshit? That’s good enough for 2nd in the AFC.

We are 7 games into the season. 10 more games to go. Plus a bye week. You don’t think this team can get better because they did last year.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me who's making the ol calls and I'll tell you who's having a sophomore slump. This ol basically has 2 rookies on it, Green and Scruggs and quality backups. They can't improve ? They played a close game on the road against a good team and lost on the last play of the game. Yet the season is over.

Let's get the team healthy and see where they stand.
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I’m glad you’re more optimistic about it than I am. All I see is huge weakness that DCs will be able to exploit.

And I cannot understand what’s going on with Tank Dell. He was explosive during preseason, but now he can’t separate anymore, and he can’t catch it even it’s thrown to him. And Schulz, it’s like, “well, I’ve got that huge contract now so I can coast”. And now, I just heard the Tttans just traded Hopkins to the Chiefs. :hairpull:
 
Marcus said:
I’m glad you’re more optimistic about it than I am. All I see is huge weakness that DCs will be able to exploit.

And I cannot understand what’s going on with Tank Dell. He was explosive during preseason, but now he can’t separate anymore, and he can’t catch it even it’s thrown to him. And Schulz, it’s like, “well, I’ve got that huge contract now so I can coast”. And now, I just heard the Tttans just traded Hopkins to the Chiefs. :hairpull:
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The defense will be fine once the LB's gets healthy. I like adding White. Al Shaair, White, Harris is a set of big fast LB's that can cover. Gotta get the secondary healthy too. Getting Lassiter back is huge. I probably would trade for another CB.

Dell getting shot and coming off injury has taken away his best asset, the ability to get in and out of his breaks without slowing down.

Agreed about Schultz, Stover needs to replace Schultz. Schultz looks like a guy that's happy he got paid and is playing like he's content.
 
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