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CJ Stroud year 2

Earl34 said:
Wait a minute. Didn't Belichick have Matt Patricia calling offensive plays last year? How did that work out?
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This tells me there's a talent issue on that offense. The OL is terrible and has really fallen off a cliff since Scarnechia retired.

Who's the WR1 on that team? I like Stevenson. How good is Mac Jones? We dont really know, but he played much better when the OL was solid than he's playing now.
 
steelbtexan said:
This tells me there's a talent issue on that offense. The OL is terrible and has really fallen off a cliff since Scarnechia retired.

Who's the WR1 on that team? I like Stevenson. How good is Mac Jones? We dont really know, but he played much better when the OL was solid than he's playing now.
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Wait a minute. When BOB traded Hopkins. You were okay with the trade because you said not having a great WR1 allows the QB to grow, become better and spread the ball around. I think you compared trading Hopkins like taking away a binky. What changed?
 
Earl34 said:
Wait a minute. When BOB traded Hopkins. You were okay with the trade because you said not having a great WR1 allows the QB to grow, become better and spread the ball around. I think you compared trading Hopkins like taking away a binky. What changed?
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It's not that he traded Hopkins, it's the player that he picked with the pick he got for Hopkins. Bottom line is BOB the GM wasn't good at scouting players and BOB the HC wasn't good at developing players. See: Blacklock/Scharping/Strong and many others that were drafted when they shouldn't have been or developed.
 
Earl34 said:
Wait a minute. When BOB traded Hopkins. You were okay with the trade because you said not having a great WR1 allows the QB to grow, become better and spread the ball around. I think you compared trading Hopkins like taking away a binky. What changed?
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The way some of y’all remember each other conversations from multiple years ago brings up painful memories of an x-wife of mine.
 
There's never been a good OSU QB in the NFL. Stroud is going to suck. Draft anybody but him. That's paraphrasing my own posts pre-draft.

2023 stats: 6 games | 59.6 pct | 1,660 pass yds | 7.8 ypa | 9 pass TD | 1 INT | 55 rush yds | 0 rush TD | 3 fumbles

I sat in Lucas Oil Stadium in March and watched Stroud throw a receiver open during an NFL Scouting Combine drill. That’s how sharp his accuracy was that day: Though the receivers were running routes with no defenders on the field, you could envision a defensive player left helpless by a perfect pass. Stroud made that exact same throw on Sunday early in the second quarter with a third-down conversion dropped on Nico Collins’ outside shoulder for a first down. I might sound like a broken record now, but Stroud has been the best rookie quarterback in this class. He’s been so good, he’s creeping toward the top 10 before the midway point of the season. Sure, he threw an interception against the Saints on Sunday -- the first of his career, by the way -- but so much of the Texans’ surprising success is directly related to Stroud. He is processing through his progressions at a rate typical of a five-year veteran, not a rookie (example: his touchdown pass to Robert Woods late in the second quarter) and continues to exceed my expectations.
NFL QB Index, Week 7: Tua Tagovailoa returns to No. 1; Matthew Stafford enters top five
 
There is a whole boatload of folks who predicted otherwise concerning CJ Stroud, me of course being one of them. We were wrong, as it appears we got a real live one on our hands. I couldn't be happier, because QB is the hardest position to fill in the NFL. We now have the luxury of not having to worry about that.
 
Thorn said:
There is a whole boatload of folks who predicted otherwise concerning CJ Stroud, me of course being one of them. We were wrong, as it appears we got a real live one on our hands. I couldn't be happier, because QB is the hardest position to fill in the NFL. We now have the luxury of not having to worry about that.
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In general, I felt the 2023 QB draft class was average. But admitted I didn't know for sure. I still don't know. ATM, it looks like the Texans picked the best of the bunch.

I wouldn't be taking victory laps or eating crow this early into the Stroud era. I've seen enough of the NFL over the years to know things can change quickly. Who had Pierce on the verge of losing the bulk of his carries to a one-year rental running back this year while averaging just 2.9 yards per carry? Is Stroud next years Pierce? I hope not but we don't know that.

ATM the Texans don't have to think about drafting a quarterback. My hope is that will be the case for a decade or so.
 
banned1976 said:
In general, I felt the 2023 QB draft class was average. But admitted I didn't know for sure. I still don't know. ATM, it looks like the Texans picked the best of the bunch.

I wouldn't be taking victory laps or eating crow this early into the Stroud era. I've seen enough of the NFL over the years to know things can change quickly. Who had Pierce on the verge of losing the bulk of his carries to a one-year rental running back this year while averaging just 2.9 yards per carry? Is Stroud next years Pierce? I hope not but we don't know that.

ATM the Texans don't have to think about drafting a quarterback. My hope is that will be the case for a decade or so.
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Yeah, we all know fame in the NFL can sometimes be measured in weeks before it's all over with. The thing with Stroud is, QB is the hardest position to actually be able to do right there is. And he's already doing that. But of course how long will it last? All I know is the DeMeco and Stroud show is the best thing in Houston since the Astros.
 
Thorn said:
Yeah, we all know fame in the NFL can sometimes be measured in weeks before it's all over with. The thing with Stroud is, QB is the hardest position to actually be able to do right there is. And he's already doing that. But of course how long will it last? All I know is the DeMeco and Stroud show is the best thing in Houston since the Astros.
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I guess I've been jaded more deeply than you have by the Oilers and then the Texans. Or, you have better pot.

j/k About the last thing. Of course you have better pot because you have pot.
 
Sweech said:
I still don't understand how BOB somehow gets all the credit for coaching them and not other members of the staff. Again, Bryce was a generational talent coming out of highschool. I'm quite reticent to give his own personal successes to O'Brien (who once again coached and called a meh offense at Alabama) especially when it's not like that school hasn't already developed 1st round quarterbacks before OB ever appeared there.

To your next point, OB the coach...also bad. Not historically all time bad like GM O'Brien but just by every measurable metric bad like head coach O'Brien was or offensive coordinator (when Brady isn't your QB) O'Brien has been at all his stops. He created a toxic culture at this team and nothing will convince me otherwise. He consistently relied on pointing fingers and blaming others for his lack of success. We had to go through a slew of GMs and offensive coordinators before we finally realized the common denominator was O'Brien and Rasputin. Not only that but he was bad at his side of the ball, our offense never amounted to anything even though there was legitimate talent on it. Our defense constantly carried us and GM O'Brien slowly dismantled it in the name of improving the offense (which never improved and only declined under his pervue). His non-Brady ceiling is coaching a below average offense. That's all we've ever seen from him. Now coaching that level of just below average looks impressive when your QBs are Fitzpatrick or Hoyer level but as soon as the talent on the team improves (it did especially on offense at the expense of slow defensive talent erasure) the results didn't.

Not only that but he's a serial loser. A great chunk of his coaching career has been spent with football dynasties like the Patriots or Alabama and what does he have to show for it? Nothing. Zero championships. He's allergic to winning.

If you think he's great because Fitzpatrick said so or because you think he's the reason Bryce Young was highly drafted cool. I think actions and results speak louder than words. Outside of a few isolated incidents he doesn't appear to make others better. While instead every team that employs him consistently does historically worse than they usually do. That's just a fact.
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Alabama fans had started calling for OB since 2021.
They became much more frustrated last year.

All you have to do is run a Google search to that extent, and you would see they were calling for his head for a long time.ago.
 
Texansballer74 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1717016288613032235
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I have been impressed with Slowik as a first year playcaller this season. He has done a good job navigating the injuries to start the year while putting the brand new shiny rookie QB in position to succeed.

Most importantly, he appears to learn from his mistakes and grow as a coach. I don’t expect him to be here long, but i’m happy he’s a Texan for now.
 
This is pretty cool, but I understand why CJ is just keeping it even keeled...it's an INT ball.

texanswire.usatoday.com

Texans QB C.J. Stroud staying 'even-keeled' about having his football in Pro Football Hall of Fame

Fact: C.J. Stroud's name is already in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame announced Oct. 23 they were displaying the Houston Texans quarterback's football from his first career interception thrown Week 6. The significance was due to it being his 191st
texanswire.usatoday.com

Can't wait for it to be a ball for a TD record.
 
www.usatoday.com

C.J. Stroud's exceptional start for Texans makes mockery of pre-NFL draft nonsense

The NFL Week 8 notebook tackles C.J. Stroud's hot start, the Panthers backing Bryce Young, Nick Bosa finding his way and more.
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Six months ago, days before the Houston Texans selected C.J. Stroud with the second pick in the NFL draft, somebody had the audacity to label the young quarterback as a surefire bust.

That somebody, an anonymous "NFL executive" who spread pre-draft venom to longtime NFL reporter Bob McGinn, was also apparently among the personnel sources who leaked the intel that Stroud supposedly had an abysmal score on the S2 cognitive test given to draft process. And the person also piled on by suggesting that Ohio State quarterbacks just can’t hack it in the pros.
 
Texansballer74 said:
www.usatoday.com

C.J. Stroud's exceptional start for Texans makes mockery of pre-NFL draft nonsense

The NFL Week 8 notebook tackles C.J. Stroud's hot start, the Panthers backing Bryce Young, Nick Bosa finding his way and more.
www.usatoday.com

Six months ago, days before the Houston Texans selected C.J. Stroud with the second pick in the NFL draft, somebody had the audacity to label the young quarterback as a surefire bust.

That somebody, an anonymous "NFL executive" who spread pre-draft venom to longtime NFL reporter Bob McGinn, was also apparently among the personnel sources who leaked the intel that Stroud supposedly had an abysmal score on the S2 cognitive test given to draft process. And the person also piled on by suggesting that Ohio State quarterbacks just can’t hack it in the pros.
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Hannah

all part of the plan!
 
Texansballer74 said:
www.usatoday.com

C.J. Stroud's exceptional start for Texans makes mockery of pre-NFL draft nonsense

The NFL Week 8 notebook tackles C.J. Stroud's hot start, the Panthers backing Bryce Young, Nick Bosa finding his way and more.
www.usatoday.com

Six months ago, days before the Houston Texans selected C.J. Stroud with the second pick in the NFL draft, somebody had the audacity to label the young quarterback as a surefire bust.

That somebody, an anonymous "NFL executive" who spread pre-draft venom to longtime NFL reporter Bob McGinn, was also apparently among the personnel sources who leaked the intel that Stroud supposedly had an abysmal score on the S2 cognitive test given to draft process. And the person also piled on by suggesting that Ohio State quarterbacks just can’t hack it in the pros.
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And I am so thankful, so very thankful to that wonderful and kind, secret individual. So thankful!
 
Texansballer74 said:
www.usatoday.com

C.J. Stroud's exceptional start for Texans makes mockery of pre-NFL draft nonsense

The NFL Week 8 notebook tackles C.J. Stroud's hot start, the Panthers backing Bryce Young, Nick Bosa finding his way and more.
www.usatoday.com

Six months ago, days before the Houston Texans selected C.J. Stroud with the second pick in the NFL draft, somebody had the audacity to label the young quarterback as a surefire bust.

That somebody, an anonymous "NFL executive" who spread pre-draft venom to longtime NFL reporter Bob McGinn, was also apparently among the personnel sources who leaked the intel that Stroud supposedly had an abysmal score on the S2 cognitive test given to draft process. And the person also piled on by suggesting that Ohio State quarterbacks just can’t hack it in the pros.
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Sad to say if it weren't for that audacity Cj Stroud most likely would be playing in Carolina.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I have been impressed with Slowik as a first year playcaller this season. He has done a good job navigating the injuries to start the year while putting the brand new shiny rookie QB in position to succeed.

Most importantly, he appears to learn from his mistakes and grow as a coach. I don’t expect him to be here long, but i’m happy he’s a Texan for now.
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But at least you can say that there is one time, or was, one time the Texans actually had a good offensive coordinator. And a good enough one that we’re all worried that he won’t be here long, instead of hoping he won’t be here long.

That, in itself is a refreshing change, don’t y’all think?
 
thunderkyss said:
Crowding the middle of the field ain't going to cut it anymore. DCs are going to have to rethink some stuff.
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This is the reason why I was pissed at Slow last week. He’s not utilizing the same game plan every week. He switches it up and it cost them last week against a lesser opponent. You have to have faith in your philosophy to get it done every week. You have to make teams stop you before making adjustments.
 
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