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CJ Stroud year 2
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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Relax. I'm just funning with ya!
Tepper is definitely getting a Christmas card from me!
Texansballer74
The Marine
What we have to understand is some people has to have something to complain about. They heard a report talking about a very small sample size and they’re running all the way to the boarder with it. Especially when it’s a player who they do not like.
He's very good when not under pressure.
Who's doing this?
They're just putting out the info. This doesn't mean Stroud cant improve. Do you think Stroud's a finished product? If not then you should be wanting to point out areas that he can stand to improve and take comfort in his ability to continue to show more growth as a player than he's already shown. The future is bright and you being a believer in Stroud, you should be very happy in that this franchise will go as far as Stroud can take them.
You had me at "He's very good".
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
He’s been just fine under pressure as well. He engineered a beautiful drive for a TD and what should’ve been a win…..defense let the team down and cost them the win. At least he has Keenum’s knowledge to lean on for mentoring and how to get past the letdown.
badboy
Hall of Fame
That has to be extremely frustrating for 5 NFL teams bringing pressure. They should be ashamed and so sure their fans.CJ STROUD
If Stroud doesn’t throw an interception Sunday against the Saints, he’ll be the first quarterback in NFL history with zero interceptions in his first six starts.
Stroud has already thrown 186 passes without an interception, the most passes without a pick for any quarterback to start his career.
And Stroud is just the fourth player — not rookie, but player — to begin a season with at least 1,400 passing yards and no interceptions in the first five games.
C.J. Stroud can become the first QB ever with no interceptions in his first six starts
Texans quarterback C.J.www.nbcsports.com
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I hope no team S9's their fans. The S2 is hard enough.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Stroud's completion percentage while under pressure is 48.1, rated #24. To compare: #7 is Derek Carr (57.9); #12 is Patrick Mahomes (55.1); #19 is Brock Purdy (50.0)
When under pressure, Stroud's YPA is 4.3 (#32). Carr's is 9.0 (#4); Mahomes' is 8.2 (#7); Purdy's is 6.7 (#13).
So there's room for improvement.
We must remember that not every pressure is the same.
There are also other factors: good defensive play by the DB, receiver couldn't get open, receiver falling down, receiver dropping the pass.
Third and long.
Completion called back due to penalties.
All of those with a small sample size.
Number19
Hall of Fame
But, of course, these "factors" apply to all the qbs, not just to Stroud.
Sure.
But do we know everything is equal?
No, we don't.
That's why we can't rely on those stats.
How many pressures has Stroud had? Can we define a pressure? Are sacks included in pressures?
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Just for the record, better make it a Hanakkuh card, but please put my name on it to B-H.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Pressures = sacks , hits and hurries.
How can you include a sack into a completion % formula? It's not a pass attempt.
badboy
Hall of Fame
You might want to take that up with the creator of the formula
I have watched every game this season multiple times & I will say Stroud looks like he has a handle on being an NFL QB. He doesn't appear overwhelmed at all to me. Is he perfect no. Will he ever be perfect no. But he has steadily improved throughout the season.
We should not forget he is playing on the team that missed having the worst record in the league last year by 1 game. In my admittedly amateur opinion barring injury we are set at QB. I just can't look at the 5 games the kid has played in the NFL & see what anybody has to complain about. The Texans have room for improvement all over the field but I for one feel damn good about the QB position.
We should not forget he is playing on the team that missed having the worst record in the league last year by 1 game. In my admittedly amateur opinion barring injury we are set at QB. I just can't look at the 5 games the kid has played in the NFL & see what anybody has to complain about. The Texans have room for improvement all over the field but I for one feel damn good about the QB position.
I'm taking it up with the people that use the end result and think they have something of substance.
According to pro football reference, Stroud has been sacked 11 times, hurried 24 times, and hit 19 times. That's a total of 54 "pressures".
If sacks are to be included, 54 "pressured" passes x 48.1/100 = 25.97 completions under pressure. Since there are no non integer completions, the number is likely 26 completions. Hey, not great. But if you look at the number of passes that Stroud actually got off, 54 pressures - 11 sacks = 43 pass attempts, the picture is different. 26 completions/43 attempts x 100% = 60.4%. That's pretty close to Stroud's overall completion rate of 61.3%.
This tells me the formula used is punitive to QBs that have taken a lot of sacks. And early on, Stroud did take a lot of sacks behind a patchwork offensive line. Lately, not so much. Stroud's completion rate is not great. But he has pushed the ball downfield more than most NFL QBs. His yards/completion is 3rd in the league. So he's going to have lower % than a guy like Dak Prescott who has a higher completion % but gets 3 yards less on his completions.
My issue is with people spewing out random numbers and thinking they have this nugget of truth. Analyizing data is more than duplicating numbers from the internet.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Their pressure is totally different. Free linemen weren’t in their faces seconds after the ball was snapped.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Like I said earlier, when they do not like the player, they’ll go searching for anything negative to bring to the table. They just have to find something to complain about.
I don't put that on the defense. The offense needed to do just a little bit more. One TD usually doesn't cut it and it didn't cut it last week. The defense was gassed at the end of the game.
As in ZERO sacks the last three games. Let's hope that holds up tomorrow against New Orleans.
Falcons D ranks 10th in pts allowed and 8th in yards.
Their O ranks 27th in points score and 19th in yards (partially thanks to the generosity Texans D)
The Texans D underperformed.
The last drive by CJ and company gave the D a breather. They were not gassed; they just played poorly.
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You may be right but Atlanta's time of possession was 35+ minutes. Houston's was only 24+. Our inability to run the ball was a big part of that TOP differential.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Just another piece to this puzzle is that we ran 62 offensive plays to their 76 offensive plays. They had 6 drives that took up over 3 minutes and we only had 2. They had about 7 plays per drive and we had about 5.5. In the second half (after excluding our first long and their first short possession), they had long drive after long drive and the difference in TOP in the second half after the first drives was 17:46 to 8:08. We weren't doing our defense any favors there.
Overall, we had 6 drives of 4 or less plays. The Falcons had 4.
Not having a running game hurts, but we've got to convert third downs better and extend some of these drives.
Great rundown. Thanks. The offense has be more productive.
It works both ways.
Against a poor offense (Falcons), the Texans D couldn't get off the field.
It's not like they only played 11 guys.
Letting Ridder having a career game was unacceptable.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
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CJ didn't have a great game mostly due to a tough second half. Will be interested to watch and see what went wrong.
The easiest thing I can identify is Stroud getting on the same page with the WR's in scramble drills. Over the past 2 weeks there's been 4 scramble drills where the throw goes one way and the WR the other way. Two of them have cost us a first down and one was in the endzone and we had to settle for a field goal. These are relatively easy fixes that can make a big difference so honestly that's encouraging to me as a fan.
The easiest thing I can identify is Stroud getting on the same page with the WR's in scramble drills. Over the past 2 weeks there's been 4 scramble drills where the throw goes one way and the WR the other way. Two of them have cost us a first down and one was in the endzone and we had to settle for a field goal. These are relatively easy fixes that can make a big difference so honestly that's encouraging to me as a fan.
Texansballer74
The Marine
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
To be fair… Ridder had a career day today against the Commanders. He threw for 307… a single yard more than last week’s 306 against us.
He's money at home
With 3 INT’s however lol
Texansballer74
The Marine
We jumped started his confidence.
No, Ridder had 329 yards against the Texans.
That's also a career record.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
You’re right. I misremembered. He had -exactly- 306 before that very last pass to London. I remember the stat line on TV. 23 yards then I guess the wind was knocked out of me. It was a heartbreaker. I didn’t add it. My apologies.
zshawn10
All Pro
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The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame