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CJ Stroud year 2

76Texan said:
Stroud's accuracy is what I believe was his strength when I watched his college game tapes.
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I agree. He has many tools. Things like arm strength to make any throw, football IQ is under rated but his is high, he shakes off bad plays fast, he can move around the pocket if needed (still a work in progress as he is adapting to NFL speed), has good toughness, and ability to look off DBs. But what sets him apart from the other rookies is his pin point accuracy. He again is still learning NFL speed, but I have noticed that he is getting the ball out better than game 1 even if the pocket gets messy. But, yes, his accuracy is a huge factor. When he gets going, most passes go were only the WR can make a play. True, some passes are going to look forced as he gels with the WRs. In a few more practices I think we will see him improve his anticipation of where the WR is (or going to be) and make some very good throws.


Time will tell the tale, however right now he is no question trending up in all areas.
 
Lucky said:
And because of these additional 13 preseason passes, Anthony Richardson is more NFL ready than CJ Stroud.
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Richardson is far from a finished product. Right now, with playing more than CJ, he is making all kinds of bad throws. He has amazing arm strength. However, it hasn't mattered as many of his throws are all but just throws to where he the a WR will be. The issue is that he has been awful with footwork. So, passes are erratic and not always on target. Some reporters say that in practice and games his INT count could easily be higher as he is just using arm strength to try to complete his passes. Allowing DBs to knock passes away and the DL to have great chances to bat balls.
 
Khelar said:
To be fair watching the game Richardson made a couple great throws that were dropped (partially because he put so much power behind the throw). There's a lot to work on and I don't know if he will be able to make it work but Richardson scares the hell out of me in Indy.
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That’s called ‘touch’ and that is something that you’re not going to develop overnight. But there is a term that admittedly I haven’t heard used before, and that’s called ‘ball placement’. Up until I’ve been watching Stroud, I would have assumed that ball placement and accuracy was basically the same thing, but they are not.

That deep ball from Stroud down the sideline to Collins was as if he walked up to him and handed it to him.
 
Have watched all these youngins in the PS and Richardson by far to me looks the worst. I’m not enamored with his physical gifts b/c i've seen it before. So all I see is a qb with shaky accuracy, 0 touch and ball placement. He’ll definitely need that LJ8 training wheels starter offense for his 1st few years in the hopes that he can grow from that..but i personally don't see him growing as a real passing threat after that. Like VY, He's just the latest version of that kid who has always been the superior athlete on the field and hence always been able to run away from his problems at the position. problem is few are ever able to have that way of playing the position translate all the way up to the NFL. You have to be elite at running the ball and lightening quick...... like Vick & LJ8 were/are for that to be the case....& he ain't that imo.
 
Marcus said:
That’s called ‘touch’ and that is something that you’re not going to

That deep ball from Stroud down the sideline to Collins was as if he walked up to him and handed it to him.
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These 2 things could not be more fact. CJ has an ability to do what you said with Nico almost all the time. Right now he is going to have some great times and not so great. However, I think he will be doing more great things in the near future.
 
Marcus said:
That’s called ‘touch’ and that is something that you’re not going to develop overnight. But there is a term that admittedly I haven’t heard used before, and that’s called ‘ball placement’. Up until I’ve been watching Stroud, I would have assumed that ball placement and accuracy was basically the same thing, but they are not.

That deep ball from Stroud down the sideline to Collins was as if he walked up to him and handed it to him.
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Well the one pass I was really thinking of actually had to be rifled in there it was a window that was rapidly closing. It was the kind of throw that someone with a more average arm like Stroud shouldn't even attempt WR just couldn't bring it in.
 
Mr teX said:
Have watched all these youngins in the PS and Richardson by far to me looks the worst. I’m not enamored with his physical gifts b/c i've seen it before. So all I see is a qb with shaky accuracy, 0 touch and ball placement. He’ll definitely need that LJ8 training wheels starter offense for his 1st few years in the hopes that he can grow from that..but i personally don't see him growing as a real passing threat after that. Like VY, He's just the latest version of that kid who has always been the superior athlete on the field and hence always been able to run away from his problems at the position. problem is few are ever able to have that way of playing the position translate all the way up to the NFL. You have to be elite at running the ball and lightening quick...... like Vick & LJ8 were/are for that to be the case....& he ain't that imo.
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He absolutely has more misses but he's made throws as good or better than any that Stroud or Young have made thus far and Richardson's pocket presence is excellent. It's just the consistency with accuracy that will hold him back. It's an if but if he's able to become more consistent in that regard he will be an absolute terror.
 
Khelar said:
. It was the kind of throw that someone with a more average arm like Stroud shouldn't even attempt WR just couldn't bring it in.
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It was a throw that shouldn't have been made period by anyone unless you have elite arm strength and accuracy to where it comes in hot, but the WR has no choice but to catch it b/c it hits them right between the numbers. Thrown any other place and it usually ends up being an int b/c it'll likely richochet off the hands or arms up in the air.

& Stroud has plenty of arm strength. His throwing motion and ball placement is just so smooth and good it looks effortless; looks like he's throwing the ball softer than he likely really is.
 
Mr teX said:
Have watched all these youngins in the PS and Richardson by far to me looks the worst. I’m not enamored with his physical gifts b/c i've seen it before. So all I see is a qb with shaky accuracy, 0 touch and ball placement. He’ll definitely need that LJ8 training wheels starter offense for his 1st few years in the hopes that he can grow from that..but i personally don't see him growing as a real passing threat after that. Like VY, He's just the latest version of that kid who has always been the superior athlete on the field and hence always been able to run away from his problems at the position. problem is few are ever able to have that way of playing the position translate all the way up to the NFL. You have to be elite at running the ball and lightening quick...... like Vick & LJ8 were/are for that to be the case....& he ain't that imo.
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The biggest difference between Richardson and Young, Vick, and Jackson is that they were all great college players. Richardson was never great. Occasionally good. Often, not good. But hey, it's just the NFL. He'll figure it out.
 
Khelar said:
That's objectively not true. His arm is fine, I don't think his arm is anything that will hold an offense back or anything. But there are absolutely throws that guys like Richardson, Allen, Herbert, Jackson, Mahomes, etc can attempt that shouldn't be on Stroud's radar.
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Disagree, I’ve watched plenty of his games and he’s money. During the combine they also said he can make EVERY throw. But hey that’s you opinion.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Disagree, I’ve watched plenty of his games and he’s money. During the combine they also said he can make EVERY throw. But hey that’s you opinion.
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I'm optimistic on Stroud so don't get me wrong but you're denying an objective fact here.


Skip to the very last throw here, that is simply not a throw that CJ Stroud is making. Pressure coming down so no time for a big windup and he just flicks the ball 60 yards in the air. Like I said his arm is fine and you obviously don't need to be able to make throws like this to be a great QB but it's a part of the QB ceiling that is just a bit out of Stroud's reach.
 
Mr teX said:
Have watched all these youngins in the PS and Richardson by far to me looks the worst. I’m not enamored with his physical gifts b/c i've seen it before. So all I see is a qb with shaky accuracy, 0 touch and ball placement. He’ll definitely need that LJ8 training wheels starter offense for his 1st few years in the hopes that he can grow from that..but i personally don't see him growing as a real passing threat after that. Like VY, He's just the latest version of that kid who has always been the superior athlete on the field and hence always been able to run away from his problems at the position. problem is few are ever able to have that way of playing the position translate all the way up to the NFL. You have to be elite at running the ball and lightening quick...... like Vick & LJ8 were/are for that to be the case....& he ain't that imo.
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That's a good line regarding the run-first, pocket averse type QB.

Imma use that from time to time..

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Khelar said:
The deep ball to Alec Pierce in the Bills game and the throw at 5:02.
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A 40 yard incompletion? We were just talking about Stroud dropping it into the bucket to Nico from 45? And what was so special about the play at 5:02? Nearly overthrew the receiver. Maybe the Richardson hype train is still running on the Colts forum? All I'm seeing is a guy who misfires to open receivers. Though, Richadson does throw a nice screen pass.
 
SnakeEyes said:
These 2 things could not be more fact. CJ has an ability to do what you said with Nico almost all the time. Right now he is going to have some great times and not so great. However, I think he will be doing more great things in the near future.
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Agreed but I question the hands and catch radius of Nico and Woods. That’s going to retard CJ’s stats to a degree. I’m not at all impressed with Woods. I think Hutch and Dell are better than these two as we stand here today.
 
Porky said:
Agreed but I question the hands and catch radius of Nico and Woods. That’s going to retard CJ’s stats to a degree. I’m not at all impressed with Woods. I think Hutch and Dell are better than these two as we stand here today.
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I wanted to see Hutchinson yesterday in with Stroud on the first and second series.
 
Stroud took 40 snaps total in 3 preseason games. That's about two-thirds of what he'll see in Baltimore. At least I hope they have that many plays.

At least he got extra reps against the Dolphins in the joint practices, but man, I just don't know how you get ready like that. For any rookie QB really, not just ours. Preseason sucks.
 
Speedy said:
Stroud took 40 snaps total in 3 preseason games. That's about two-thirds of what he'll see in Baltimore. At least I hope they have that many plays.

At least he got extra reps against the Dolphins in the joint practices, but man, I just don't know how you get ready like that. For any rookie QB really, not just ours. Preseason sucks.
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At the same time, are you ever really ready until it's the real deal? NFL 101 starts on September 10th at noon.
 
Speedy said:
Stroud took 40 snaps total in 3 preseason games. That's about two-thirds of what he'll see in Baltimore. At least I hope they have that many plays.

At least he got extra reps against the Dolphins in the joint practices, but man, I just don't know how you get ready like that. For any rookie QB really, not just ours. Preseason sucks.
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This. I've never understood why HC's run PS like they do. There should be a gradual ramp up for the starters all the way to week 1. a little in the 1st game, 1 qtr in the 2nd, 1 half to 3 qtrs in the 3rd and then Week 1. Instead, they arbitrarily play these guys in 2-3 games and then when week 1 hits and you've got teams wasting whole games getting guys in sync and on the same page...crap that should've been happening in the PS. Even when they had 4 games the starters wouldn't even play the last game so you've got this dead week in between the end of the PS and the start of the season.

I get the paranoia about potentially a starter getting hur in a meaningless game, but whether its in preseason or in week 1 or 2, you're still facing virtually the same risk. May as well just let these guys ramp up their play more in the PS to get the rust off so that you can hit the regular season running on all cylinders.
 
Porky said:
Agreed but I question the hands and catch radius of Nico and Woods. That’s going to retard CJ’s stats to a degree. I’m not at all impressed with Woods. I think Hutch and Dell are better than these two as we stand here today.
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There's no reason to question Nico Collins' hands at all. Don't believe he had a single drop last year.

To say Hutch and Dell are better at this point is insanity. He isn't a Hopkins jump ball type guy who will go up and make every contested catch which limits his ceiling but he's typically pretty solid and he gets more separation than people think. The long ball from CJ he had a step on his man and the ball was just a smidge underthrown which let the DB get a hand on it. For what it's worth also had a guy beat in the red zone last week that CJ didn't see. I feel pretty strongly that Collins is the best WR on the team at the moment.
 
Lucky said:
A 40 yard incompletion? We were just talking about Stroud dropping it into the bucket to Nico from 45? And what was so special about the play at 5:02? Nearly overthrew the receiver. Maybe the Richardson hype train is still running on the Colts forum? All I'm seeing is a guy who misfires to open receivers. Though, Richadson does throw a nice screen pass.
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And I think Stroud's ball was good but a touch underthrown letting the DB catch up. The play at 5:02 was picture perfect placement. Receiver was covered and he put it where only his guy could make a play.
 
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