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CJ Stroud year 2

Mods.. can we get the thread title changed please?

“He is NOT him”

I mean he was but he’s Carrbage now. We broke him so it’s time to move on.
 
Mods.. can we get the thread title changed please?

“He is NOT him”

I mean he was but he’s Carrbage now. We broke him so it’s time to move on.
There were some major signs of improvement last night, I thought? He had some unpredictable pressure early on, and you saw that rattle him with the early INT.

But then the OL did settle down for the most part, and CJ then settled down too.

If the trend continues with games against the Jags and Titans coming up before the bye, there is reason to hope that CJ can be back in rhythm into December/January/February.

Luckily they seem to have something to work with from this OL, Mixon is fantastic, and Nico Collins gives all his WR collegues that bit less attention even when he isn’t 100% like last night.
 
0 sacks and only 1 hit on Stroud tonight.

Stroud was just ok at best tonight.

I thought he would be better when he was protected better. SMH

Disrupting a QB’s rhythm isn’t measured by sacks and hits alone. The right side of the line is still getting pushed around routinely. The pocket was getting squeezed quite a bit, but when CJ had the time to set, he was looking like himself. I still believe the OL play up to this point certainly has played a part in CJ’s happy feet, but I think it can improve with improved OL play. I do believe the OL can take another step if Ryans replaces Howard with Fisher.
 
Disrupting a QB’s rhythm isn’t measured by sacks and hits alone. The right side of the line is still getting pushed around routinely. The pocket was getting squeezed quite a bit, but when CJ had the time to set, he was looking like himself. I still believe the OL play up to this point certainly has played a part in CJ’s happy feet, but I think it can improve with improved OL play. I do believe the OL can take another step if Ryans replaces Howard with Fisher.
This baptism by fire could be a good thing early in his career - if he had it easy all the time would his development be complete?
Still, our Oline does need an upgrade if we want to be serious SB contenders.
 
Disrupting a QB’s rhythm isn’t measured by sacks and hits alone. The right side of the line is still getting pushed around routinely. The pocket was getting squeezed quite a bit, but when CJ had the time to set, he was looking like himself. I still believe the OL play up to this point certainly has played a part in CJ’s happy feet, but I think it can improve with improved OL play. I do believe the OL can take another step if Ryans replaces Howard with Fisher.
I would agree with you but the int he threw and the pass to Dell along with the pass to Mixon that should have been a TD he was well protected. There were other bad throws that he would have easily made last year. His foot work is all messed up and the young man appears to be thinking too much. Can he get over his case of happy feet? I'm an optimist. As the offense plays more together they should get better.
 
I would agree with you but the int he threw and the pass to Dell along with the pass to Mixon that should have been a TD he was well protected. There were other bad throws that he would have easily made last year. His foot work is all messed up and the young man appears to be thinking too much. Can he get over his case of happy feet? I'm an optimist. As the offense plays more together they should get better.
The pass to Mixon was a good pass, Mix just dropped.
 
I would agree with you but the int he threw and the pass to Dell along with the pass to Mixon that should have been a TD he was well protected. There were other bad throws that he would have easily made last year. His foot work is all messed up and the young man appears to be thinking too much. Can he get over his case of happy feet? I'm an optimist. As the offense plays more together they should get better.
I posted somewhere in the game day thread that I thought there were signs of improvement in this game.

OL wasn’t perfect but it was much better. A handful of blown protections from which CJ only took 1 sack.

CJ took the one sack, threw 1 awful INT (pretty much immediately after eating the sack). And made a couple of other missed throws, but I also saw him move in the pocket better than he has for a number of weeks at times, make some better throws, and run for positive yardage, too.

When I get 30 mins to sit down with a cup of tea I’ll have to see if I can dig out a QB School review of his recent play on YouTube.
 
Just need stroud to get hot come playoff time (if we make it)....
Not as easy as it sounds. Stroud looks like a different quarterback this year. His best traits coming out of college was his pinpoint accuracy and anticipation. That showed up last year. This year he has looked average in both areas. That being said, according to the accuracy metrics from Pro football reference, he rated poorly in bad throws last year. Not as bad as this year.
 
Stroud is playing through something thats affecting his timing. Could be upper body (shoulder) mid body (ribs) or lower body (knee, ankle, foot) but so far has played through it all, not missing any time. All this bitching, thought best ability was availability?

To all the naysayers, you think coaches are stupid people? Both in house and around the league? Other teams now have plenty of tape, scheme to take away tendencies. Our own worst enemies, injuries & officiating (impact all these OL penalties) have taken big plays, touchdowns off the board. Compound that with other teams attacking OL weaknesses, really affected his numbers, translating into sacks, QB hits & lower passer rating.

Last thing, WR has been revolving door. If anyone told me before this season that position would be an issue, I would’nt believe you. Tank had early injuries, then Diggs tore his ACL. Nico missed 5 games with hamstring. TE play has also dissapointed, losing Jordan for the season was a bigger thing than anyone here cares to admit. Bobby playcalling has had to adjust, too much and thus has made multiple mistakes. It’s a total team effort, not all on CJ. We (the Texan fan) are blessed to have him. I’m not doubting him one bit.

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The pass to Mixon was a good pass, Mix just dropped.

I thought it was low.
It was a thing of beauty the way Stroud changed his arm angle mid motion as Parsons was bearing down on him.

Can't expect a perfect pass in that situation it was a good, catchable pass. May have been too short a distance for Mixon to adjust to, but it is what it is.
 
It was a thing of beauty the way Stroud changed his arm angle mid motion as Parsons was bearing down on him.

Can't expect a perfect pass in that situation it was a good, catchable pass. May have been too short a distance for Mixon to adjust to, but it is what it is.
The ball hit Mixons in the hands, he should’ve caught that. But like I told Steel, it looked like he stumbled out of his break.
 
Funny how a good QB like CJ has his 3 or 4 bad throws in a game torn down, picked a part, and analyzed 6 ways to Sunday, but a guy like Mills, who's a bag of suck, had so many excuses made for him.

Not saying it's the same people. I don't know. I don't really pay a lot of attention to the names, just the message. But still, weird how that works.
 
Funny how a good QB like CJ has his 3 or 4 bad throws in a game torn down, picked a part, and analyzed 6 ways to Sunday, but a guy like Mills, who's a bag of suck, had so many excuses made for him.

Not saying it's the same people. I don't know. I don't really pay a lot of attention to the names, just the message. But still, weird how that works.
I don't think any one was expecting Mills to take us to the Super Bowl.. just needed/wanted him to hold the position until we found the guy.

Personally I don't think I'm heavily critical of Cj. Something's wrong is all I'm saying. Looks more like a sophomore slump than a step in the right direction.
 
I don't think any one was expecting Mills to take us to the Super Bowl.. just needed/wanted him to hold the position until we found the guy.

Personally I don't think I'm heavily critical of Cj. Something's wrong is all I'm saying. Looks more like a sophomore slump than a step in the right direction.
IMHO, it's more about the OL getting CJ pulverized and disjointed, predictable play calling than a sophomore slump for CJ. Injuries to the receiving corps isn't helping either.
If anyone is having a sophomore slump, it's Slowik.
 
Stroud is playing through something thats affecting his timing. Could be upper body (shoulder) mid body (ribs) or lower body (knee, ankle, foot) but so far has played through it all, not missing any time. All this bitching, thought best ability was availability?

To all the naysayers, you think coaches are stupid people? Both in house and around the league? Other teams now have plenty of tape, scheme to take away tendencies. Our own worst enemies, injuries & officiating (impact all these OL penalties) have taken big plays, touchdowns off the board. Compound that with other teams attacking OL weaknesses, really affected his numbers, translating into sacks, QB hits & lower passer rating.

Last thing, WR has been revolving door. If anyone told me before this season that position would be an issue, I would’nt believe you. Tank had early injuries, then Diggs tore his ACL. Nico missed 5 games with hamstring. TE play has also dissapointed, losing Jordan for the season was a bigger thing than anyone here cares to admit. Bobby playcalling has had to adjust, too much and thus has made multiple mistakes. It’s a total team effort, not all on CJ. We (the Texan fan) are blessed to have him. I’m not doubting him one bit.

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He’s being affected by big ass fast dudes rolling at him unblocked and squashing him into the ground.
 
IMHO, it's more about the OL getting CJ pulverized and disjointed, predictable play calling than a sophomore slump for CJ. Injuries to the receiving corps isn't helping either.
If anyone is having a sophomore slump, it's Slowik.
David Carr or Eli Manning. One takes a beating & finds a way to win, the other just takes a beating.

Cj is somewhere between those two.
 
Funny how a good QB like CJ has his 3 or 4 bad throws in a game torn down, picked a part, and analyzed 6 ways to Sunday, but a guy like Mills, who's a bag of suck, had so many excuses made for him.

Not saying it's the same people. I don't know. I don't really pay a lot of attention to the names, just the message. But still, weird how that works.
I don't recall any of that last year with Stroud. People like me, people that were semi skeptical of picking him in the first place, were so overjoyed at being wrong were too awed with his precision to criticize him once he started dealing. Any poorly thrown ball from CJ last year was quickly forgotten...at least by me, anyway. Which is why I don't understand Pro Football References metric of poorly thrown passes.

I don't like to dissect individual plays. I look at the overall play of the players and coaching performance. Last year it looked as if Ryans, Slowik, and CJ were practicing some kind of witchcraft. It also looked like the offensive line had, after all these years, found cohesiveness.

I expected modest improvement from the other areas I mentioned above - coaching and the o-line. CJ was the guy that I thought had the best chance of reaching elite status this year. He's not there right now. He's not there and because the coaching staff and the offensive line has appeared to have made no improvement, or gone backwards, the Texans need CJ to be elite if they are to do anything in the playoffs.
 
IMHO, it's more about the OL getting CJ pulverized and disjointed, predictable play calling than a sophomore slump for CJ. Injuries to the receiving corps isn't helping either.
If anyone is having a sophomore slump, it's Slowik.
Slowik didn't miss Nico by 2 yds and get picked. That throw if on target was a TD. The 3rd and inches throw to Dell was terrible. Slowik probably should've called a running play. A better throw to Mixon would've been a TD.All Slowik can do is call plays he thinks will work. Players need to execute them. Stroud's definitely a shadow of the QB he was last yr. But I guess Slowik forgot how to coach this yr.
 
Stroud is playing through something thats affecting his timing. Could be upper body (shoulder) mid body (ribs) or lower body (knee, ankle, foot) but so far has played through it all, not missing any time. All this bitching, thought best ability was availability?

To all the naysayers, you think coaches are stupid people? Both in house and around the league? Other teams now have plenty of tape, scheme to take away tendencies. Our own worst enemies, injuries & officiating (impact all these OL penalties) have taken big plays, touchdowns off the board. Compound that with other teams attacking OL weaknesses, really affected his numbers, translating into sacks, QB hits & lower passer rating.

Last thing, WR has been revolving door. If anyone told me before this season that position would be an issue, I would’nt believe you. Tank had early injuries, then Diggs tore his ACL. Nico missed 5 games with hamstring. TE play has also dissapointed, losing Jordan for the season was a bigger thing than anyone here cares to admit. Bobby playcalling has had to adjust, too much and thus has made multiple mistakes. It’s a total team effort, not all on CJ. We (the Texan fan) are blessed to have him. I’m not doubting him one bit.

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Let's put it this way, with a dude like Davis Mills (LOL) instead of Stroud, this team would be down with the Cowgirls
 
Having a top 5 threat at the QB position does a lot to make a football team a SuperBowl contender. We had that with Stroud last season. And in less than 2 seasons, this team and coaching staff have ruined our top 5 QB. The jury is still out on whether or not he can be fixed. We finally got a top 5 QB and this franchise has done everything to destroy it.

In other words, a majority of time when a sports car is stolen and ran hard, it is totaled by the insurance company. This franchise has stolen CJ Stroud (losing the #1 pick and lucking out that Stroud was available at #2) and commenced to running him into the ground with pi$$ poor play calling and subpar O-Line play. We can damn near total Stroud, but have no insurance plan to do so.
 
Having a top 5 threat at the QB position does a lot to make a football team a SuperBowl contender. We had that with Stroud last season. And in less than 2 seasons, this team and coaching staff have ruined our top 5 QB. The jury is still out on whether or not he can be fixed. We finally got a top 5 QB and this franchise has done everything to destroy it.

In other words, a majority of time when a sports car is stolen and ran hard, it is totaled by the insurance company. This franchise has stolen CJ Stroud (losing the #1 pick and lucking out that Stroud was available at #2) and commenced to running him into the ground with pi$$ poor play calling and subpar O-Line play. We can damn near total Stroud, but have no insurance plan to do so.
They haven’t done a damn thing to destroy it. Stroud needs to actually put in WORK in the off season.
 
Ok Slowik. Stats are for children who don't have eyes and sense. You need only open them to see the play calls and O-Line that have broken our shiny new QB.
He’s the #2 pick of the draft. It’s funny how he wasn’t broken last year. But the first sign of adversity in his career he goes to the bench and pouts. Get the f*ck out of my face. Get up and go win a damn game. That’s what franchise QBs do. Not cry consistently about the OC.
 
He’s the #2 pick of the draft. It’s funny how he wasn’t broken last year. But the first sign of adversity in his career he goes to the bench and pouts. Get the f*ck out of my face. Get up and go win a damn game. That’s what franchise QBs do. Not cry consistently about the OC.
He's not. We are....well most of us, minus the Slowik apologists looking for directions to point their finger.
It's fine, Slowik will find himself jettisoned from Houston soon enough, then we can find something else to disagree on. If it takes Stroud sitting on the bench and pouting to get it done, then so be it. Well worth it.
 
He's not. We are....well most of us, minus the Slowik apologists looking for directions to point their finger.
It's fine, Slowik will find himself jettisoned from Houston soon enough, then we can find something else to disagree on. If it takes Stroud sitting on the bench and pouting to get it done, then so be it. Well worth it.
You are mistaken. In no situation should your Franchise QB be sitting on the bench hanging their head. The team is not 2-10. They have a winning record. Get on the field and work through it.
 
He’s the #2 pick of the draft. It’s funny how he wasn’t broken last year. But the first sign of adversity in his career he goes to the bench and pouts. Get the f*ck out of my face. Get up and go win a damn game. That’s what franchise QBs do. Not cry consistently about the OC.
Stroud hasn’t uttered a breath of tears towards anybody. Stop smelling the salt.
 
His body language -today-?

You’re grasping at straws.
To be fair, the broadcast showed a shot of him sitting on the bench with his head down. However, I'm not sure if his head was down because he was pouting or just adjusting his headband. Until proven otherwise, I'm going with the headband.
 
I just don't know how DeMeco can say the offense did enough to win. If he keeps holding the defense to a higher standard than the offense, he will lose his team. Here are the 2nd half drives.

3rd quarter:
5 plays, 9 yards, Punt and TOP was 2:09
2 plays, 0 yards, Stroud INT and TOP was 0:49

4th quarter:
6 plays, -5 yards, Punt and TOP was 1:34
4 plays, 7 yards, FG and TOP was 1:38
9 plays, 26 yards, Punt and TOP was 3:18
9 plays, 54 yards, missed FG and TOP was 3:29
2 plays, -8 yards. Titans' safety and TOP was 0:16
 
I just don't know how DeMeco can say the offense did enough to win. If he keeps holding the defense to a higher standard than the offense, he will lose his team. Here are the 2nd half drives.

3rd quarter:
5 plays, 9 yards, Punt and TOP was 2:09
2 plays, 0 yards, Stroud INT and TOP was 0:49

4th quarter:
6 plays, -5 yards, Punt and TOP was 1:34
4 plays, 7 yards, FG and TOP was 1:38
9 plays, 26 yards, Punt and TOP was 3:18
9 plays, 54 yards, missed FG and TOP was 3:29
2 plays, -8 yards. Titans' safety and TOP was 0:16
Yep, complete garbage
 
Stroud did come back in the 4th to take the lead that was wiped away by the penalty. Hopefully whatever he’s going through he will overcome it.
 
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