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Chronicle: The Mallett/Hoyer Competition

steelbtexan said:
So BOB cant win on this one IYO?

Hail Kubiak
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He may win with finding a QB and I hope he does.

He may win 4 straight letting it ride each time on 13 on roulette.

The result doesn't define the wisdom of the process.

And you're the one who is Kubiak obsessed.

Here's another piece to that - odds are dramatically in favor of the Browns being willing to trade Hoyer last year if OB loves him so much.

Oh and the #1 criticism of my favorite HC of all time is in how he found a HoF QB and mishandled getting him on the field. Again the result is not synonymous with the process.
 
I consider both Hoyer and Mallett upgrades over Fitzpatrick, so I think our QB position is in a better state at this point than it was at the same point last year.

Now, just because someone outside our building has ranked them so that Fitzpatrick is better than the other guys doesn't make any difference to me. That's someone who doesn't really know anything about any of these guys. That's no different than someone's power rankings, and by now, we should all know those things are just so much BS.

OB was able to post a winning record with Fitzpatrick/Mallett/Savage/Keenum. It wasn't always pretty, but it was a good and unexpected coaching job, especially for a rookie HC.

He could have stayed pat, but he didn't. He made moves he thinks improved his QB position (and I think he did, too.) We all still have a lot of questions about who he is and what he's trying to do but let's let him answer them on the field.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
OB was able to post a winning record with Fitzpatrick/Mallett/Savage/Keenum. It wasn't always pretty, but it was a good and unexpected coaching job, especially for a rookie HC.

He could have stayed pat, but he didn't. He made moves he thinks improved his QB position (and I think he did, too.) We all still have a lot of questions about who he is and what he's trying to do but let's let him answer them on the field.
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I want to give O'Brien as much credit as possible. I think the team played to its talent level on a consistent basis. That's not easy to do in the NFL. But, let's not overhype what he achieved. The offense could not move the ball or score consistently against good teams. They massacred bad teams. To become a contender, you have to have an offense that can function versus good teams.

Regarding the QB position, the change from Fitz to Hoyer at QB doesn't look drastic, or even much of an improvement. At least there's not objective information that would support the assertion. Fitz is clearly the better QB from as statistical standpoint. Yes, Hoyer was in O'Brien's offense for 3 years. Fitz has over 10X the snaps in actual NFL games in an O'Brien offense.

If this were the Bills or Browns going into the season with these QBs, I would dismiss them as contenders without hesitation. But, I'm a Texans fan and I have Battle Red colored glasses that allow me to see the hope of Ryan Mallett based off of one game. To me, there's no QB competition. You give the job to Mallett and sink or swim with him in 2015. Like Fitz in '14, Hoyer is not going to get this done. O'Brien went with Fitz too long last year, and putting Hoyer at QB would be the same mistake. I appreciate what the Texans accomplished in 2014. But I don't want to see a repeat in 2015.
 
The thing about good teams is that you DON'T score consistently against them. That's why they're good.

There were only two games where we really weren't in a position to win, the Giants and the Eagles. We had weird meltdowns against the Steelers and Colts that cost us a couple of games, and then the injuries to Fitz and Mallett that cost us 2 more.

I don't expect to see a repeat of 2014, I expect this team to be much better and to be much tougher to beat. But I'm not necessarily expecting us to "score consistently" on good teams, but I am expecting us to fight down to the wire in almost every game.
 
legacy_gt said:
"He’s smart (mallet), and he’s a hard worker, and he understands our system,” O’Brien said, via the Houston Chronicle. “I like the fact that when he wasn’t playing he was really into the game. He listened to every play call on an earpiece. There are a lot of things that make me believe he can be a starter in this league.”

When it's said and done, Mallet will start. Mallet was injured and can be a liability so we needed Hoyer.
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O'Brien may say the right things about Mallett but remember the Texans called about Manning and Kaepernick. And there were Hoyer-to-Houston rumors as early as last year. He sees Mallett everyday in practice, in the film room, etc. and still isn't convinced that he is the right man for the job.
 
Lucky said:
I want to give O'Brien as much credit as possible. I think the team played to its talent level on a consistent basis. That's not easy to do in the NFL. But, let's not overhype what he achieved. The offense could not move the ball or score consistently against good teams. They massacred bad teams. To become a contender, you have to have an offense that can function versus good teams.

Regarding the QB position, the change from Fitz to Hoyer at QB doesn't look drastic, or even much of an improvement. At least there's not objective information that would support the assertion. Fitz is clearly the better QB from as statistical standpoint. Yes, Hoyer was in O'Brien's offense for 3 years. Fitz has over 10X the snaps in actual NFL games in an O'Brien offense.

If this were the Bills or Browns going into the season with these QBs, I would dismiss them as contenders without hesitation. But, I'm a Texans fan and I have Battle Red colored glasses that allow me to see the hope of Ryan Mallett based off of one game. To me, there's no QB competition. You give the job to Mallett and sink or swim with him in 2015. Like Fitz in '14, Hoyer is not going to get this done. O'Brien went with Fitz too long last year, and putting Hoyer at QB would be the same mistake. I appreciate what the Texans accomplished in 2014. But I don't want to see a repeat in 2015.
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I see the Hoyer for Fitzpatrick move as a horizontal move. OB had seen enough of Fitz to know he was not the long term answer at QB. So he did the smart thing and made the move to replace him with a veteran QB who had experience in the offense and who might still have some upside, in the right system and with the right coaching. But equaling telling, I think the way the draft went means that the younger Mallett is still the QB being looked at as the QB going forward. Savage is still a question mark and has this year to prove he should compete to be number two in 2016.
 
infantrycak said:
I would consider a win a pre-injury Schaub level or better QB.
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This

I consider Mallett to be on par or better than Schaub talentwise. Can he put together a consistent week to week performance. He sure looked good against the Browns.
 
Lucky said:
I want to give O'Brien as much credit as possible. I think the team played to its talent level on a consistent basis. That's not easy to do in the NFL. But, let's not overhype what he achieved. The offense could not move the ball or score consistently against good teams. They massacred bad teams. To become a contender, you have to have an offense that can function versus good teams.

Regarding the QB position, the change from Fitz to Hoyer at QB doesn't look drastic, or even much of an improvement. At least there's not objective information that would support the assertion. Fitz is clearly the better QB from as statistical standpoint. Yes, Hoyer was in O'Brien's offense for 3 years. Fitz has over 10X the snaps in actual NFL games in an O'Brien offense.

If this were the Bills or Browns going into the season with these QBs, I would dismiss them as contenders without hesitation. But, I'm a Texans fan and I have Battle Red colored glasses that allow me to see the hope of Ryan Mallett based off of one game. To me, there's no QB competition. You give the job to Mallett and sink or swim with him in 2015. Like Fitz in '14, Hoyer is not going to get this done. O'Brien went with Fitz too long last year, and putting Hoyer at QB would be the same mistake. I appreciate what the Texans accomplished in 2014. But I don't want to see a repeat in 2015.
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Fantastic post and exactly where I am on the QB situation, except I'd like to see Savage's name mentioned more. He has Hoyer's mobility and Mallett's arm strength. IMO, he just needs reps.
 
DocBar said:
Fantastic post and exactly where I am on the QB situation, except I'd like to see Savage's name mentioned more. He has Hoyer's mobility and Mallett's arm strength. IMO, he just needs reps.
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No doubt that Savage has Mallett's arm strength, but he has always be criticized for his slow foot work and immobility..........certainly so far at least, not close to Hoyer's, and noticeably slower that Mallett. Mallet's pocket presence has allowed himself to adequately neutralize this perceived weakness.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
No doubt that Savage has Mallett's arm strength, but he has always be criticized for his slow foot work and immobility..........certainly so far at least, not close to Hoyer's, and noticeably slower that Mallett. Mallet's pocket presence has allowed himself to adequately neutralize this perceived weakness.
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Can you document this?
 
ung14 said:
O'Brien may say the right things about Mallett but remember the Texans called about Manning and Kaepernick. And there were Hoyer-to-Houston rumors as early as last year. He sees Mallett everyday in practice, in the film room, etc. and still isn't convinced that he is the right man for the job.
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Number19 said:
I see the Hoyer for Fitzpatrick move as a horizontal move. OB had seen enough of Fitz to know he was not the long term answer at QB. So he did the smart thing and made the move to replace him with a veteran QB who had experience in the offense and who might still have some upside, in the right system and with the right coaching. But equaling telling, I think the way the draft went means that the younger Mallett is still the QB being looked at as the QB going forward. Savage is still a question mark and has this year to prove he should compete to be number two in 2016.
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I agree with you. I would add this: I believe fans and the sports media tend to underestimate the role coaching and scheme have on a quarterback's development. I believe a QB who would be successful in any system and with any team is very rare. Perhaps there are 2-3 of those per decade. Most of the time, the great QBs only achieved greatness because pieces fell into place. I would say this is true of Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers... just to name a few. I think the opposite happens with even more regularity. I would estimate there are 10-20 Qbs (some starters, others backups) in the NFL right now whose career would have been dramatically different had they been in the "right" situation. Of course, I can't prove any of this.

So, from my perspective, neither Hoyer, Mallett, nor Savage have demonstrated that they lack the necessary abilities or intangibles to be excellent QBs. Since I believe strongly in O'Brien's offensive philosophy and believe in his ability to teach, I am optimistic at least one of those QBs may develop into something special... Hoyer has only started 17 games. There is precedent for QBs at similar points in their careers to develop after changing teams/coaching staffs (Rich Gannon, Jim Plunkett, Kurt Warner, Trent Green, etc..).
 
DocBar said:
Can you document this?
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Just as a couple of examples:


Scout: Pitt's Tom Savage has strongest arm in 2014 NFL Draft
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By Mike Huguenin NFL.com College Football 24/7 writer
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Updated: March 21, 2014 at 04:14 p.m.

While Savage has a strong arm, decision-making and accuracy have been issues. He also lacks mobility and that issue was exacerbated in 2013 because Pitt had a young offensive live. He was sacked eight times in a loss to Virginia Tech and seven times in a win over Virginia. When he faces pressure and is forced to move around in the pocket, his mechanics frequently go awry and he makes bad decisions.
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Tom Savage NFL Draft Profile

WEAKNESSES: Needs to speed up his clock and show better awareness in the pocket. Needs to quicken his eyes, expand his field vision and learn to manipulate safeties. Tends to stare down his target. Forces some throws into traffic. Erratic accuracy. Slow of foot -- not a scramble threat. Can improve play-action fake. Had some duds -- struggled against Florida State, Virginia and Virginia Tech. Mental toughness needs to be looked into.
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Tom Savage Draft Profile
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WEAKNESSES: Some mobility, but sluggish in the pocket with stone feet and struggles with pressure, both locating and evading.
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Number19 said:
I see the Hoyer for Fitzpatrick move as a horizontal move. OB had seen enough of Fitz to know he was not the long term answer at QB.
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A fact that booger eating armchair GMs knew before Fitz was signed. The same thing they know without needing to see Hoyer in Deep Steel Blue.

But OB needed 10 games?
 
If we want to say that OB sees something in Hoyer that makes him think he can make him successful in this system, then I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. He did coach up Fitz to his best season as a pro, made Mallett look comfortable and ready in the Cleveland game, and won 2 games with Case "0-8" Keenum. That may be more along the lines of making chicken salad out of chicken sh!t as opposed to grooming the next GOAT, but it was enough for me to say that maybe he sees something that I can't.

But please, let's stop this whole "he was a good QB on sucky teams and was really much better than his stats indicated" crap. IF Hoyer has a chance to be good here, it has NOTHING to do with his craptastic career so far and all about his potential in this system. Mallett and Savage are unproven, in this system or any other. Hoyer has proven so far that outside of this system, he is not a good QB.

But yeah, a soon to 30 year old journeyman QB that looks to be the favored horse in this race, based on potential in a system where he has no significant real game time experience. Color me excited, Bob.
 
sandman said:
He did coach up Fitz to his best season as a pro, made Mallett look comfortable and ready in the Cleveland game, and won 2 games with Case "0-8" Keenum.
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He did, but without putting that forbidden name out there, let's be realistic about who put those things in place. Fitz had his best season under incumbents Arian Foster running behind Duane Brown, Chris Myers, Brandon Brooks, Derek Newton and Ben Jones. He had his best season throwing exclusively to Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins. He had his best season against one of the saddest schedules in recent memory, with the league leading turnover defense, and stats blown wildly out of proportion in a single game against the Titans. Let's be a bit more honest about what really happened.
 
Scooter said:
He did, but without putting that forbidden name out there, let's be realistic about who put those things in place. Fitz had his best season under incumbents Arian Foster running behind Duane Brown, Chris Myers, Brandon Brooks, Derek Newton and Ben Jones. He had his best season throwing exclusively to Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins. He had his best season against one of the saddest schedules in recent memory, with the league leading turnover defense, and stats blown wildly out of proportion in a single game against the Titans. Let's be a bit more honest about what really happened.
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I guess you stopped reading after the part you quoted. I did say that it was more about making chicken salad out of chicken sh!it than it was about grooming another Brady. Don't chide me for being disingenuous with my information when I fully qualified my statement.
 
sandman said:
I guess you stopped reading after the part you quoted. I did say that it was more about making chicken salad out of chicken sh!it than it was about grooming another Brady. Don't chide me for being disingenuous with my information when I fully qualified my statement.
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You're right, and I apologize - I started a rebuttal on that line as I blankly skimmed the rest of your post. I was more taking issue with how I feel he's throwing chicken sh!t into someone else's chicken salad. Reading the rest, I'm in agreement with basically everything you said.
 
Scooter said:
You're right, and I apologize - I started a rebuttal on that line as I blankly skimmed the rest of your post. I was more taking issue with how I feel he's throwing chicken sh!t into someone else's chicken salad. Reading the rest, I'm in agreement with basically everything you said.
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No worries! I'm willing to give OB some leeway being second year and handicapped with what was available last year, but I am not calling him a guru just yet. IMHO, I think Godsey is going to have a much bigger impact on Hoyer than OB will. But the best either of them can hope for is he is chicken salad, and that doesn't get you into SB contention.
 
sandman said:
No worries! I'm willing to give OB some leeway being second year and handicapped with what was available last year, but I am not calling him a guru just yet. IMHO, I think Godsey is going to have a much bigger impact on Hoyer than OB will. But the best either of them can hope for is he is chicken salad, and that doesn't get you into SB contention.
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But, if left out there too long...............

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Scooter said:
He did, but without putting that forbidden name out there, let's be realistic about who put those things in place. Fitz had his best season under incumbents Arian Foster running behind Duane Brown, Chris Myers, Brandon Brooks, Derek Newton and Ben Jones. He had his best season throwing exclusively to Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins. He had his best season against one of the saddest schedules in recent memory, with the league leading turnover defense, and stats blown wildly out of proportion in a single game against the Titans. Let's be a bit more honest about what really happened.
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The problem with subtracting aberrant stats to get a more "honest" idea of what we have is that other teams also have aberrant stats which need to be excluded for that "honest" comparison. Only doing so for the subject team leads to "dishonest" comparisons.

But using a median average rather than the more common mean average would be a fair point for consideration. I suppose with 16 games, you would have to mean average the two middle games (8 & 9) to derive the median. I wonder how different the rankings would actually be?
 
sandman said:
If we want to say that OB sees something in Hoyer that makes him think he can make him successful in this system, then I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. He did coach up Fitz to his best season as a pro...
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Not to take anything away from OB, I want him to be the best up & coming head coach in the league, the next Belichick.... but c'mon. We had Arian Foster & a pretty dang good defense. Fitz fed Arian Foster which kept him from making his usual mistakes. When it was time to make a play in the passing game.... it didn't happen more times than it did, or at least as many. More times than it should in a "best season as a pro."

Case Keenum won because JJ Watt played lights out & again, he had Arian Foster.

sandman said:
...made Mallett look comfortable and ready in the Cleveland game
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& that's another thing. After just one game, it was clear to me that Mallett knew this system way better than Fitz ever did. Makes it hard to justify sitting him for so long.

sandman said:
But please, let's stop this whole "he was a good QB on sucky teams and was really much better than his stats indicated" crap. IF Hoyer has a chance to be good here, it has NOTHING to do with his craptastic career so far and all about his potential in this system. Mallett and Savage are unproven, in this system or any other. Hoyer has proven so far that outside of this system, he is not a good QB.

But yeah, a soon to 30 year old journeyman QB that looks to be the favored horse in this race, based on potential in a system where he has no significant real game time experience. Color me excited, Bob.
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Agreed. Makes me wonder why we didn't go get Matt Cassel last year.
 
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Marshall said:
The problem with subtracting aberrant stats to get a more "honest" idea of what we have is that other teams also have aberrant stats which need to be excluded for that "honest" comparison. Only doing so for the subject team leads to "dishonest" comparisons.

But using a median average rather than the more common mean average would be a fair point for consideration. I suppose with 16 games, you would have to mean average the two middle games (8 & 9) to derive the median. I wonder how different the rankings would actually be?
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No.
 
Scooter said:
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Exactly. Fitz was a great guy. Literally gave his all for this team. I had fun that day and was happy for him to have a career defining moment. But the dude spent every other game that year as chicken salad. You have to discount the one time he was chicken cordon bleu if you are going to have an honest performance assessment.
 
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Not to take anything away from OB, I want him to be the best up & coming head coach in the league, the next Belichick.... but c'mon. We had Arian Foster & a pretty dang good defense. Fitz fed Arian Foster which kept him from making his usual mistakes. When it was time to make a play in the passing game.... it didn't happen more times than it did, or at least as many. More times than it should in a "best season as a pro."

Case Keenum won because JJ Watt played lights out & again, he had Arian Foster.
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Sure, and Russell Wilson keeps getting the Elite tag thrown his way in part (Dear CAK, please note that I put IN PART, not TOTALLY BECAUSE OF) because of a strong running game and great defense.

Never said Fitz was anything other than serviceable last year, but it WAS on pace to be a career year for HIM. And we game-planned the heck out of Case's two starts to limit his ability to lose the game. But it worked. Chicken sh!t/salad. We aren't having All-Pro or GOAT conversations here about either of them. Concerning Hoyer, I think the upside is that OB/Godsey make another Fitz out of Hoyer. Better play than last year, but still won't be franchise QB material.
 
You know, it may not matter who the QB is, based on the pass/run breakout and defensive points allowed since Foster started in 2010:

2010 - 58% passing/#29 scoring defense = 6 wins
2011 - 46% passing/#4 scoring defense = 10 wins
2012 - 52% passing/#9 scoring defense = 12 wins
2013 - 60% passing/#24 scoring defense = 2 wins
2014 = 47% passing/#7 scoring defense = 9 wins

I know it sounds obvious that Strong Running Game + Strong Defense = Wins but the Texans have literally proven the model over the last 5 years.

Healthy Foster. Makings of a great defense. Just need someone competent under center.
 
sandman said:
You know, it may not matter who the QB is, based on the pass/run breakout and defensive points allowed since Foster started in 2010:

2010 - 58% passing/#29 scoring defense = 6 wins
2011 - 46% passing/#4 scoring defense = 10 wins
2012 - 52% passing/#9 scoring defense = 12 wins
2013 - 60% passing/#24 scoring defense = 2 wins
2014 = 47% passing/#7 scoring defense = 9 wins

I know it sounds obvious that Strong Running Game + Strong Defense = Wins but the Texans have literally proven the model over the last 5 years.

Healthy Foster. Makings of a great defense. Just need someone competent under center.
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Lol - that did anything but prove the QB doesn't matter. 2011 and 2012 were built on a strong passing attack as well. The run % in 2011 is skewed by what they did after Schaub went down (and the wins mainly came before he went down).

And passing % is skewed for bad teams by being desperate rather than design. What you saw in 2012 was about the closest thing to by design we have seen.
 
sandman said:
You know, it may not matter who the QB is, based on the pass/run breakout and defensive points allowed since Foster started in 2010:

2010 - 58% passing/#29 scoring defense = 6 wins
2011 - 46% passing/#4 scoring defense = 10 wins
2012 - 52% passing/#9 scoring defense = 12 wins
2013 - 60% passing/#24 scoring defense = 2 wins
2014 = 47% passing/#7 scoring defense = 9 wins

I know it sounds obvious that Strong Running Game + Strong Defense = Wins but the Texans have literally proven the model over the last 5 years.

Healthy Foster. Makings of a great defense. Just need someone competent under center.
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It's hard for me to look at that to prove any one thing. Offensive scoring & TOP can do a lot to help the defense. IF we ever get two scores up on an opponent, it could look like the defense stopped the run. It also puts pressure on the other team to score, which could lead to mistakes & turnovers.

But..... yeah. If Foster is as productive as he was last year, & our defense are as opportunistic, our QB would have an easier time winning games.
 
DocBar said:
Well, that pretty much locks Mallett in as the starter and OB is happy with the fans. Just basing that on McLame's track record.
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haha yup. In all seriousness though, I don't think either guy can be named until the third pre-season game. Give each guy full quarter in game 1 and 2 of pre-season and see how they play. Thats what will determine the starter IMO
 
Brian Hoyer does sail it high sometimes but I enjoy watching him sling it around. It's early in camp but I'm looking forward to seeing what Hoyer can do in the preseason. If he continues to progress I wouldn't be shocked if he's the Week 1 starter over Ryan Mallett. Hoyer reminds me of a bigger and stronger-armed Case Keenum.

 
infantrycak said:
Article about the glasses being used.

At the bottom is an video with McClain and Brian Smith saying Hoyer is all but a lock and OB is pissed that the fans are behind Mallett.
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When I watched the original O'Brien press conference, I did not get the sense he was sticking up for Hoyer, or that he was pissed at fans. He said "I read. I understand what’s written out there and you know, sometimes it pisses me off,..." That's shots fired at the media for trying to say Hoyer will start as if they know what he is thinking, not at fans for being behind Mallett. I think we can all agree he does not care what the fans think or he would have never signed Fitz.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Brian Hoyer does sail it high sometimes but I enjoy watching him sling it around. It's early in camp but I'm looking forward to seeing what Hoyer can do in the preseason. If he continues to progress I wouldn't be shocked if he's the Week 1 starter over Ryan Mallett. Hoyer reminds me of a bigger and stronger-armed Case Keenum.

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That's not the comparison I wanted to hear...
 
sandman said:
That's not the comparison I wanted to hear...
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Yeah, that didn't really help.

The thing is with the way this has been reported, and it's not just McClain or the Chronicle people, Hoyer has been preferred from the get go. So is this any more of a QB competition than last year or than say when Schaub and Sage were "competing?" The rhetoric may be a little different - say we had a competition and we can say Hoyer won it, yay.

CloakNNNdagger said:
At the end of that video, did McClain really reach back and scratch his butt? :hides:
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LOL - I was watching going 'John, don't do it...'
 
I know these media guys see themselves as experts, but I gotta say I don't put too much weight on a guy in shorts with no pass rush. I think we will know more after the practices with the skins.
 
Nitrofish said:
I know these media guys see themselves as experts, but I gotta say I don't put too much weight on a guy in shorts with no pass rush. I think we will know more after the practices with the skins.
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It's not about them being experts. I don't think they are declaring their opinion on who they think is a better QB and who they would start if HC. I think they are writing their perceptions of what the coaches or insiders are saying. That's the disturbing part.

Playoffs said:
Tough to tell from that camera angle and no slo-mo replay, but I'd say he was picking. Dingleberries.
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Naw, not enough shoulder turn to get that far around the girth.
 
infantrycak said:
Article about the glasses being used.

At the bottom is an video with McClain and Brian Smith saying Hoyer is all but a lock and OB is pissed that the fans are behind Mallett.
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Yeah, well the fans thought Mallet was a lock and we're pissed that OB is behind Hoyer so it should all even out right?

I question how in-the-know McClain and Smith are on this if this is what they're saying.

If they are on to something here then I'm confused by OB. He signed Fitz, then went out and got Mallet last year, played Mallet once where he looked good, then played him a second time injured, wasn't happy with something, and now he's chasing Brian-f'ing-Hoyer and doesn't understand why the public isn't getting behind him and organizing a parade.

I have no idea what that man expects if he's really unhappy that the public likes the guy he brought here and the guy who looked most competent in this offense to date here in Houston over the scrub he brought in from Cleveland.
 
If Hoyer indeed wins the job then, instead of criticizing Bill O'Brien, you guys should be questioning Ryan Mallett. He would then be a 27-year old, 5-year NFL vet with 2 career starts who has failed to beat out both Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Hoyer in QB competitions.

However, it seems to me that you guys are already preparing the "O'Brien choose Hoyer" stance instead of even entertaining the thought that Mallett couldn't beat him out in competition.
 
WolverineFan said:
If Hoyer indeed wins the job then, instead of criticizing Bill O'Brien, you guys should be questioning Ryan Mallett. He would then be a 27-year old, 5-year NFL vet with 2 career starts who has failed to beat out both Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Hoyer in QB competitions.

However, it seems to me that you guys are already preparing the "O'Brien choose Hoyer" stance instead of even entertaining the thought that Mallett couldn't beat him out in competition.
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Well, he did choose hoyer. OB has passed on a few qb's to land on hoyer as his starter. If mallet isn't good enough that still falls back on the team/OB for not having a guy capable of beating out Hoyer.

Hopefully one of them is good. If not, then that's two years ob hasn't gotten a good qb. Year one...ok pass...year two...getting antsy...year three...ok bruh...time to find a guy or force a guy.

What are we going to upset with mallet for? Accepting a job?

Not me. I'm always more upset at the guys giving the jobs out.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Well, he did choose hoyer. OB has passed on a few qb's to land on hoyer as his starter. If mallet isn't good enough that still falls back on the team/OB for not having a guy capable of beating out Hoyer.

Hopefully one of them is good. If not, then that's two years ob hasn't gotten a good qb. Year one...ok pass...year two...getting antsy...year three...ok bruh...time to find a guy or force a guy.

What are we going to upset with mallet for? Accepting a job?

Not me. I'm always more upset at the guys giving the jobs out.
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He choose Mallett as well. He didn't have to trade for him but he did.

I'm not advocating a bash Mallett ceremony. I'm merely saying that many on this board are convinced that he is a franchise guy and that the only reason he won't win a QB competition is because O'Brien sabotaged the whole thing. They won't even entertain the idea that maybe he's not who they think he is. If he doesn't win the QB job it's not because he's not very good. It's because the coach wouldn't let him win.
 
Hervoyel said:
Yeah, well the fans thought Mallet was a lock and we're pissed that OB is behind Hoyer so it should all even out right?

I question how in-the-know McClain and Smith are on this if this is what they're saying.

If they are on to something here then I'm confused by OB. He signed Fitz, then went out and got Mallet last year, played Mallet once where he looked good, then played him a second time injured, wasn't happy with something, and now he's chasing Brian-f'ing-Hoyer and doesn't understand why the public isn't getting behind him and organizing a parade.

I have no idea what that man expects if he's really unhappy that the public likes the guy he brought here and the guy who looked most competent in this offense to date here in Houston over the scrub he brought in from Cleveland.
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The whole OB grumpy because the fans / media don't see it like he does (or claims to publicly at any rate) is already wearing thin.
 
WolverineFan said:
He choose Mallett as well. He didn't have to trade for him but he did.

I'm not advocating a bash Mallett ceremony. I'm merely saying that many on this board are convinced that he is a franchise guy and that the only reason he won't win a QB competition is because O'Brien sabotaged the whole thing. They won't even entertain the idea that maybe he's not who they think he is. If he doesn't win the QB job it's not because he's not very good. It's because the coach wouldn't let him win.
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OB, like other coaches can make mistakes. Honestly I don't see much of an upgrade from Fitz to Hoyer like some do, but I would prefer OB go with Mallett or Savage.
 
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