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Chronicle: The Mallett/Hoyer Competition

Mollywhopper said:
Savage found Lee downfield once for 23. Mallett also had completions of 17 & 18 to wr's. He was hardly out-gunslinged.

Mallett saw the field pretty well it seemed, to the tune of 90% completions and 8.2 ypa.
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I'm worried we're going to need more big plays on offense to score more Touchdowns this year. The red zone offense, especially the goal line packages, concern me a lot. But with J.J. Watt at tight end in goal line situations maybe we'll be alright.

We need to hit the wide receivers in stride like Hoyer did with Shorts. As somebody else mentioned a lot of those Ryan Mallett passes were underneath. We took advantage of what the defense gave us. 8.2 yards per attempt is decent but not great, especially after the 17 and 18 yard gains which you mentioned.

I think Ryan Mallett has a great arm and can also take advantage of the fade routes like Hoyer can. Hoyer threw that nice two-point conversion to DeAndre Hopkins. I want to see Ryan Mallett throwing tight spirals in tight spaces and hitting our wideouts in stride for big play Touchdowns or even just big plays in general.

I'm going to just let the QB competition play itself out but I like Brian Hoyer a lot. That's just my opinion. If Ryan Mallett wins the job I'll cheer for him Week 1. Something about Brian Hoyer that excites me. Really hoping he keeps it up with extended playing time and wins the job. We have no good tight ends or running backs which is going to hurt whoever is our starting quarterback. I think Watt is our best tight end and he only plays goal line packages.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I think Brian Hoyer can get more out of our wide receivers than Mallett can. I re-watched the game from last night. Hoyer hit Shorts in stride for the big play Touchdown, perfect pass (I had to re-wind it five or six times just to enjoy it even more). Then he threw a beautiful fade route to DeAndre for two points.
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You're basing that off of two freakin' throws? Mallet did just fine with them in the Cleveland game. There's no way to evaluate the two as of right now.
 
Marcus said:
I understand those who don't want Hoyer based upon what he's done previously in his career. I get that.
So, I understand the desire for Mallet to get the job, just to see if he has what it takes. I get that, also.

Something that I do not get, is that it seems like some are dismissive of Savage's performance last night, based strictly on his performance last year as a rookie. What I saw from Savage last night was something completely different from what I observed last year, preseason or regular. Yes, I know he came into a game totally unprepared last season, I remember that, but I see no reason to hang that over his head going forward.

There is something that bothers me about Mallet. How is it that someone so tall can get his passes batted down? Yes, I know he played good, and both he Savage had passes batted down, but I've been hearing that he gets them passed batted down in camp. Along with him throwing stupid interceptions in camp, it makes me wonder how much he really sees the field.

Savage however displayed surprisingly good pocket awareness, and surprisingly good ability to evade pressure and still look downfield after he ran. And why was Savage the only one who threw it deep?
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About that batted pass, you have to give the defender a plus play for air time
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I'm worried we're going to need more big plays on offense to score more Touchdowns this year. The red zone offense, especially the goal line packages, concern me a lot. But with J.J. Watt at tight end in goal line situations maybe we'll be alright.

We need to hit the wide receivers in stride like Hoyer did with Shorts. As somebody else mentioned a lot of those Ryan Mallett passes were underneath. We took advantage of what the defense gave us. 8.2 yards per attempt is decent but not great, especially after the 17 and 18 yard gains which you mentioned.

I think Ryan Mallett has a great arm and can also take advantage of the fade routes like Hoyer can. Hoyer threw that nice two-point conversion to DeAndre Hopkins. I want to see Ryan Mallett throwing tight spirals in tight spaces and hitting our wideouts in stride for big play Touchdowns or even just big plays in general.

I'm going to just let the QB competition play itself out but I like Brian Hoyer a lot. That's just my opinion. If Ryan Mallett wins the job I'll cheer for him Week 1. Something about Brian Hoyer that excites me. Really hoping he keeps it up with extended playing time and wins the job. We have no good tight ends or running back which is going to hurt whoever is our starting quarterback. I think Watt is our best tight end and he only plays goal line packages.
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I don't know where you get that 8.2 ypa is just decent. That would be good for near the league lead most years. And you can't say "without his really good plays he's just ok". That's silly. He made those really good plays, they count. I don't see you trying to not include Shorts catch and run in Hoyer's eval.

Mallett was looking at coverages intent on keeping things in front of them. Over the course of a full game those same d's would have to honor all the intermediate and under completions (and hopefully any semblance of a running game) which would allow looks over the top, like we saw against Cleveland last year.

I don't think Mallett is averse to looking downfield and making those throws. He's actually showing a calm and poise to work the defense in the meantime.
 
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I'm excited about our wide receivers moving forward. This could be our best group of wideouts ever. Seems silly to say that when we had Andre Johnson for so many years.

DeAndre Hopkins is a legitimate go-to guy and Jaelen Strong is going to emerge as a special talent in time. Youth and inexperience is natural. Strong will struggle as a rookie but in two or three years he could become an All Pro. He reminds me of a young Dez Bryant coming out of Oklahoma State.

Cecil Shorts is a playmaker who can play on the outside or slot and Nate Washington is a good veteran presence. I'm hoping that Hopkins and Strong emerge as the best young duo at wide receiver in the league. Better than Roddy White and Julio Jones of the Falcons.

I wish we had this kind of depth and talent at wide receiver when we had pro bowlers at running back, tight end and even quarterback (when Schaub was really good for a couple seasons). We had seven pro bowlers on offense one year. Almost our entire eleven players. Three of our offensive lineman were in the pro bowl that year as well. We used to be buried in talent offensively but strangely we never had much at wideout outside of Andre Johnson. Not as good depth wise as we have now.
 
Runner said:
It also might be a disparity between pre-conceived notions about Mallet and what is occurring at camp.
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Are you saying that these preconcieved notions are coming from the coaches, the media, the fans, or all of the above?

Me, I was expecting to see Mallet stink it up after the reports coming from camp, but instead I saw almost the same guy from the Cleveland game, only playing behind a **** OL.

In other words, I was pleasantly surprised.

Like I've said before, may the best man win, yet granted my own preconceived notion of Hoyer is just waiting for him to screw the pooch. Then again, I'm willing to give credence to the thought that the OB's/NE's offense might be best suited for Hoyer.

Not the same feeling with Mallet. Mal seems to exude command at all times.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Are you saying that these preconcieved notions are coming from the coaches, the media, the fans, or all of the above?
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I was referring to the fans' idea that Mallet is destined for greatness based on one game of play. Many of the posts in this thread try to twist what is reported this preseason to fit that premise, rather than consider the premise might not be correct.

I do agree Mallet looked great in that game against Cleveland, but it was just one game. I'm sure we all remember Clint Longley. Well, maybe we don't - and that is my point.
 
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Power went out while taping the game, so I've only seen Hoyer's drive. Waiting to tape tonight. For grins I re-watched last year's HOU/CLE game. I'll admit, I like Mallet as the starter and Hoyer off the bench. After watching the game again, that is still my preferred 1/2. Mallet ran the offense very well and had great command of the team. Hoyer is a streaky kind of player, he runs hot and cold. Like Fitz, I think he makes a perfect vet back-up. I think we need to give Mallet the reins and see what he can do. After that, I'm excited to see how Savage can develop.

I may be wrong, but I bet Hoyer was promised a fair competition at QB, OB is giving him that, but I'll be surprised if he's starting QB vs KC.
 
Hervoyel said:
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Me too... I realize who the competition was, but Savage was night and day from last year. He looked really good. I think all 3 looked really good, but I am disappointed we saw so little of Hoyer. Almost like O'Brien was sheltering him. "Ok he did good on that drive. Get him out of there before he looks bad" kind of a thing. I commented in the game day thread Hoyer had zip on the ball and good placement. But I kind of expected to seem him the whole first quarter. Mallett 2nd quarter. Then Savage the entire 2nd half. I was shocked to see Hoyer treated like the starter being pulled after one series.
 
All I saw with Mallett was dink & dunk. With all his ballyhooed arm strength he never once looked deep. Not once. It was as if he never gave patterns time to develop he was so focused on his first read.
At least Savage threw a couple of bombs.
 
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ObsiWan said:
All I saw with Mallett was dink & dunk. With all his ballyhooed arm strength he never once looked deep. Not once. It was as if he never gave patterns time to develop he was so focused on his first read.
At least Savage threw a couple of bombs.
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But Savage already knows he is not in the race. He has nothing to lose by slinging it out there. A lot more on the line for Hoyer and Mallett so perhaps that is why the other two guys played it safe. The only way Savage can even get into the conversation is if he does something to make people take notice, which I felt like he did even though he was playing with/against future pizza delivery guys and car salesmen.

Still can't help but feel like the play calling changed when Mallett came in. Perhaps that is because O'Brien wants to focus on Mallett's perceived weaknesses which has been his touch and intermediate throws. So he told Mallet to just focus on the underneath stuff and only go long if it is wide open. Who knows.

Without knowing what is going on in O'Brien's head. All we can do is guess. I think we should listen to Billy O and stop reading too much into things and just wait for the announcement.
 
Nitrofish said:
Me too... I realize who the competition was, but Savage was night and day from last year. He looked really good. I think all 3 looked really good, but I am disappointed we saw so little of Hoyer. Almost like O'Brien was sheltering him. "Ok he did good on that drive. Get him out of there before he looks bad" kind of a thing. I commented in the game day thread Hoyer had zip on the ball and good placement. But I kind of expected to seem him the whole first quarter. Mallett 2nd quarter. Then Savage the entire 2nd half. I was shocked to see Hoyer treated like the starter being pulled after one series.
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I think we'll see something along the same lines this week with Mallet. He'll be out there only when the 1's are on the field and be expected to produce on demand. If the 1's stay out longer he'll have longer with them (or might even alternate drives with Hoyer if the 1's stay out for more than a couple of drives). I don't think he was sheltering him. I think OB was basically saying "You're with the starters and when they go in you go in"

Then by the third week we'll get the starter for the opening day and he'll play the first half with the 1's to get the work in.
 
Interesting year, a true QB competition and very equally divided. I have never seen the fan base so equally divided. Reading the post it feels like 33% for all the QB's. We will give the last 1% to Watt.
 
ObsiWan said:
All I saw with Mallett was dink & dunk. With all his ballyhooed arm strength he never once looked deep. Not once. It was as if he never gave patterns time to develop he was so focused on his first read.
At least Savage threw a couple of bombs.
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I think he was playing with an agenda and taking what the defense was giving him while primarily focusing on showing us that his accuracy on that stuff was not a problem. He mostly succeeded there but you're right, he didn't seem as interested in trying to go deep. Not a problem for me though. We already know he's got the laser rocket arm and he's not afraid to use it.
 
Marshall said:
Perhaps he was hoping ONE would step up and all three have? It's certainly better than none.
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Plenty of worse problems to have. Honestly if he would begin working the chosen one like a starter right now to prepare for the upcoming season I'd be able to get behind any of the three.
 
What's going to be really funny is that all the posters in the "Hoyer was treated like the starter" camp because he only played one series are going to absolutely lose their **** if Mallett only plays one against Denver.

They won't be saying "he was treated like the clear starter". They'll be saying that OB pulled him because he didn't want him to look too good and he's giving Hoyer extra reps to try to look better.

I realize that most of you guys are just fans, have always been fans, and are very passionate about the Texans. But it's amazing how few fans can remove emotion when discussing their team. There is no conspiracy. Actually, I'm not sure that I've ever seen a QB competition at the pro level this fair.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So Shorts catches and sprints for a td and so good on Hoyer's beautiful passes, but Mallett effeciently commands the offense with the running game unable to convert from the goal line and so he's "David Carr on a good day"?

Wow.
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Well, yeah. I mean, if you don't put points on the board what good are you? Isn't that your job as a QB to put up points??
Mollywhopper said:
Savage found Lee downfield once for 23. Mallett also had completions of 17 & 18 to wr's. He was hardly out-gunslinged.

Mallett saw the field pretty well it seemed, to the tune of 90% completions and 8.2 ypa.
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Look back at Mallett's longest receptions. Here are the two you seem so proud of.

(7:33) 15-R.Mallett pass short left to 12-K.Mumphery to SF 44 for 17 yards (26-T.Brock).
(12:20) 15-R.Mallett pass short left to 13-D.Johnson to HOU 25 for 18 yards (58-E.Harold).

Like the Hoyer-to-Shorts TOUCHDOWN you poo-pooed, Mallett's longest completions were largely due to run after catch by the receiver. Well, except Hoyer's TD line reads like this:
(11:22) (Shotgun) 7-B.Hoyer pass deep middle to 18-C.Shorts for 58 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Go through the play-by-play; I defy you to find the phrase "Mallett pass DEEP..." anywhere.

Mallett's "command" was just a dink & dunk fest. But, hey, if that's what impresses you...
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bah007 said:
What's going to be really funny is that all the posters in the "Hoyer was treated like the starter" camp because he only played one series are going to absolutely lose their **** if Mallett only plays one against Denver.
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This will be interesting. I would typically expect the 1s to stay in the 2nd preseason game a little longer and then longer in the 3rd and then not at all in the 4th.

I get your point on seeing the RBs, BUT I'm not sure I understand not keeping both Hoyer and Mallett out there longer until a decision is made, i.e. both issues could have received attention. It's clear from OB's talk in HK who 1 and 2 are and Savage is 3. Getting 1 and 2 sorted out is more important than getting Savage a few reps.

There is no conspiracy. Actually, I'm not sure that I've ever seen a QB competition at the pro level this fair.
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Agreed there is no conspiracy. Disagree on the fair competition. 'Inside' word had OB preferring Hoyer before ball one was thrown and let's remember CnD's comments, this was also before Mallett was back in full swing from his injury.

ObsiWan said:
Well, yeah. I mean, if you don't put points on the board what good are you? Isn't that your job as a QB to put up points??
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You have to be playing devil's advocate here.
 
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ObsiWan said:
Go through the play-by-play; I defy you to find the phrase "Mallett pass DEEP..." anywhere.
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Here are a few:

(14:32) 15-R.Mallett pass deep left to 80-A.Johnson to CLE 46 for 28 yards
(11:16) (Shotgun) 15-R.Mallett pass deep right to 10-D.Hopkins to CLE 47 for 41 yards
(8:31) (Shotgun) 15-R.Mallett pass deep left to 80-A.Johnson to CLE 19 for 16 yards

Yes, these were against the Browns last season. The point is we already know he can sling it deep and will when it counts. These preseason games, and in particular this QB battle is to showcase improvement on perceived weaknesses. No need for Mallett to prove he can throw it deep. Asked and answered already. Hell maybe he is being asked to take it easy for another 4 weeks or so before throwing it deep. One thing is certain, he can throw it deep with the best of them. O'Brien wants to know can he show touch and good ball placement on intermediate routes IMO.
 
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ObsiWan said:
Well, yeah. I mean, if you don't put points on the board what good are you? Isn't that your job as a QB to put up points??
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It's your job as qb to protect and distribute the ball while moving down the field.

I chalk scoring points up to a group effort of the play caller dialing up the right plays and the offense as a whole coming together as a unit.
 
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Here is my breakdown of Hoyer.

His first pass he had to progress through his reads and he ended up with happy feet. He was very uncomfortable and wound up throwing the ball too late and the WR dropped it. Not to mention he changed the play.

His second pass was accurate. He locked onto Graham, but it was a great design and GG got open. Great play.

The next pass was a roll out where they blitzed perfectly. He should have put more air on the ball to avoid the bat down. Bad pass, but slightly understandable.

The last pass was a 17 yard throw with a wide open Shorts and he did the rest. It was an accurate throw, but lets not act like Hoyer did anything special. Shorts was wide open and scored because of his speed. Hoyer showed exactly what we thought he would. An average passer who can succeed if those around him play great. I am anxious for this to ring true next week when he has to play more. I venture to guess he isn't going to go 10 for 11 like mallett just did.

Hoyer is the perfect backup. Can come in and be average and not lose you games. He can play well for small stretches, but isn't consistent long term.
 
Nitrofish said:
That was NOT deep middle. It was a 15 yard completion, and 43 yard scamper by Shorts.
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It was deeper than a 4 yd pass in the flat and a 10-12 catch & run by Demarius Johnson or basically the same play by Mumphrey.
Those were Mallett's longest completions.

And, to be clear, it's not the short passes in and of themselves, that bother me. It's how quickly they were thrown. If those were O'Brien's version of a quick out to the speedy guy and hope something good happens, then so be it. Those plays worked as planned.
BUT...
If those short passes are due to the all-to-familiar David Carr syndrome; i.e., if the first read is covered immediately hit the underneath guy then I'm concerned about whether Mallett gives route combos sufficient time to develop. We all know that it takes an extra second or so for deep patterns to develop.
With Mallett getting rid of the ball so quickly - but underneath every time - I just wonder did we leave points on the field by not letting deep patterns develop and not taking a couple of shots deep.
I have no idea which it is.
Could be that Mallett was working on his short pass touch so he never intended to look deep. If that was the objective; mission accomplished.
infantrycak said:
You have to be playing devil's advocate here.
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Always, Cak. Always.
:)

This automatic Mallett-love/Hoyer-hate worries me. I fear folks who have "picked a side" are seeing what they want to see. You know how that works. Consciously or not, they want Mallett to be the guy so they'll poo-poo everything the other guys do and build up Mallett's accomplishments to support their pre-made decision. So yeah, I'm the guy saying, "slow your roll, it wasn't THAT damned great. And OBTW, the other guys did okay too."

You of all folks should appreciate a juror that hasn't convicted a client before he's heard all the evidence.
 
amazing80 said:
Here is my breakdown of Hoyer.
His first pass he had to progress through his reads and he ended up with happy feet. He was very uncomfortable and wound up throwing the ball too late and the WR dropped it. Not to mention he changed the play.
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Wait.... Hoyer hit Alan Bonner in-his-hands and you're saying that's on Hoyer!?!

...because he "changed the play"??

Isn't the strength of this offense supposed to be making appropriate adjustments at the line?? And when he does that, suddenly it's a bad thing?
SMH
 
bah007 said:
What's going to be really funny is that all the posters in the "Hoyer was treated like the starter" camp because he only played one series are going to absolutely lose their **** if Mallett only plays one against Denver.

They won't be saying "he was treated like the clear starter". They'll be saying that OB pulled him because he didn't want him to look too good and he's giving Hoyer extra reps to try to look better.

I realize that most of you guys are just fans, have always been fans, and are very passionate about the Texans. But it's amazing how few fans can remove emotion when discussing their team. There is no conspiracy. Actually, I'm not sure that I've ever seen a QB competition at the pro level this fair.
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It depends.

In this game, Hoyer came out, Duane Brown came out, Hopkins came out after the first series.

If OB pulls Brown when he pulls Mallett, then yeah... I'm going to say, "OB treated Mallett as if he was the starter."

If he pulls Mallett, but leave Brown in at LT & Jones in at Center, with Hopkins... then he's making sure Hoyer gets some time with the 1s. Something he did not do Saturday.

If we had a defined starter at QB, I would imagine he would get one series, two at the most in the first preseason game. He would play longer in the second game, & longer still in the third (maybe the opening drive of the 3rd qtr).

But the way he pulled Hoyer, the same time he pulled Brown & Hop, then moved Jones to LG... Hoyer looks like the de facto starter.
 
ObsiWan said:
This automatic Mallett-love/Hoyer-hate worries me. I fear folks who have "picked a side" are seeing what they want to see. You know how that works. Consciously or not, they want Mallett to be the guy so they'll poo-poo everything the other guys do and build up Mallett's accomplishments to support their pre-made decision. So yeah, I'm the guy saying, "slow your roll, it wasn't THAT damned great. And OBTW, the other guys did okay too."

You of all folks should appreciate a juror that hasn't convicted a client before he's heard all the evidence.
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I can almost see your point. But when you're holding it against Mallett because he didn't throw a deep ball... well, that's like complaining because Jj Watt didn't get one tackle.

I know, he didn't play. There was no need for him to play in this game, the coaches wanted to see other players... & that's the point.
 
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I can almost see your point. But when you're holding it against Mallett because he didn't throw a deep ball...
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Yeah...I don't get that....Why wouldn't you take what the defense gives you? Why do people want to see him pass up open receivers that can make a four yard catch and YAC for three, just to chunk the ball downfield?


Blame the 9ers defense. If they jump up on the short stuff or present an opprotunity to throw deep I think Mallett would take it. Being a dinker and dunker has not been a criticism of his.
 
thunderkyss said:
I can almost see your point. But when you're holding it against Mallett because he didn't throw a deep ball... well, that's like complaining because Jj Watt didn't get one tackle.

I know, he didn't play. There was no need for him to play in this game, the coaches wanted to see other players... & that's the point.
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Well, as I said before, if O'Brien's objective was to have Mallett focus on the short/touch throws, then Mission Accomplished. Mallett definitely showed he's learned not to break our receivers' fingers off by throwing fastballs when change-ups are what's required.

Fact is, I/we don't know if all those "dink & dunks" were purely Mallett's reads/decision or due to mandate from O'Brien (Thou shalt NOT throw deep).
Offensive objective mandated by the HC is as important as stats put up.

O'Brien, himself, said that Hoyer's objective was to maintain a successful drive. When that was accomplished, Hoyer sat out the rest of the game.
So, again, maybe the objective for Mallett was demonstrate touch on underneath guys in such a way that they could (a) catch the ball and (b) do something with it after the catch. Savage's objective - totally my guess BTW - was to demonstrate a better understanding and command of the offense than he showed last year. Again, I think Mission Accomplished.

So I think all three guys were successful when one looks at their performances in terms of specific objectives.
 
For me, this game just confirmed what I already felt: we're OK at QB. At the very worst, we're better than we were last year.

Hoyer looked OK. His high rating is because Shorts just went freaking BEAST-MODE. I didn't know Shorts had that in him.

Mallett looked good. Seeing as how this is a pre-season game, I felt like Mallett was doing what the coaches told him. The knock on him has been his accuracy and touch on the short to mid-range throws, so I felt like he concentrated on those sorts of passes because that's what they wanted to see from him. Then at the goal-line, OB wanted to see one of our RBs step up... and they didn't. I felt like Mallett showed good leadership in lobbying for his guys to get one more shot, and bad judgment in sneaking on a 3rd and 4 and not making it. But I'm more than fine with his performance.

Savage impressed me with his improvement. He needs to speed things up, but if he keeps improving at this rate, he's going to be a serious contender for the starting spot next year.

When it comes to Mallett vs. Hoyer, I still prefer Mallett, but I'll be fine with Hoyer if it comes to that.
 
ObsiWan said:
Wait.... Hoyer hit Alan Bonner in-his-hands and you're saying that's on Hoyer!?!

...because he "changed the play"??

Isn't the strength of this offense supposed to be making appropriate adjustments at the line?? And when he does that, suddenly it's a bad thing?
SMH
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Not quite what the deal is here....that was an assessment of his play, not an indictment on him. I never said the throw was poor, but it was late. I never said changing the play was good or bad, I simply pointed it out.

For someone complaining that people have made up their minds on the two players, you sure seem to be hovering on the jock of Hoyer and finding ridiculous reasons to complain about Mallett, like his lack of 90 yard bombs.

Maybe sit back and enjoy the fact we have two legit competing qbs and observe them objectively.

Are you John McClain?
 
Speedy said:
There were only 3 QBs with Y/A over 8 last season, Romo (8.52), Rodgers (8.43) and Roethlisberger (8.14). So yeah, 8.2 is a little better than decent.
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I understand why comments like this are being made. Y'all are defending your guy against what I agree is as an unfair criticism.

But are we really going to act like the difference in the sample size between 11 throws and an entire season doesn't exist?
 
bah007 said:
I understand why comments like this are being made. Y'all are defending your guy against what I agree is as an unfair criticism.

But are we really going to act like the difference in the sample size between 11 throws and an entire season doesn't exist?
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Of course the sample size matters. Works both ways in fact. But you deal with what you have.
 
bah007 said:
I understand why comments like this are being made. Y'all are defending your guy against what I agree is as an unfair criticism.

But are we really going to act like the difference in the sample size between 11 throws and an entire season doesn't exist?
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Yes, I agree that making an argument based on 11 plays is silly, just as basing an argument on the 4 throws Hoyer made is silly. I was simply pointing out the the 8.2 number for Y/A is something I'll take all day every day, where as someone else is arguing that number isn't all that.

That's all it's about for me.

Make your argument for your guy all you want, but know what the numbers mean if you're going to use them in that argument.
 
I just rewatched the game, and I thought all three QBs played solid football.
My conclusion is that anyone who is voicing strong criticism of any of these guys is almost certainly doing so based on a bias towards their QB of choice.
In other words, some folks are either falling victim to confirmation bias, or have a straight up agenda.
 
amazing80 said:
Not quite what the deal is here....that was an assessment of his play, not an indictment on him. I never said the throw was poor, but it was late. I never said changing the play was good or bad, I simply pointed it out.

For someone complaining that people have made up their minds on the two players, you sure seem to be hovering on the jock of Hoyer and finding ridiculous reasons to complain about Mallett, like his lack of 90 yard bombs.

Maybe sit back and enjoy the fact we have two legit competing qbs and observe them objectively.

Are you John McClain?
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First, I don't give a sh!t who starts as long as he legitimately gives us the best chance to win. Period.
Second, how can a checkdown throw to an open guy be late??
Third, I already tempered my criticism of Mallett's lack of deep throws when I conceded that working on short passes was possibly (probably?) part of O'Brien's grand plan for that game.
Fourth, since I haven't hitched my wagon to either Hoyer or Mallett, I'm probably one of the more objective folks here. I'm just pointing out Hoyer isn't as bad as he's been/being painted and Mallett hasn't shown enough to be awarded the starters job. So-called up-side be damned.
Fifth, while I do like pancakes, I'm not John McClain.
Peace.
:)
 
michaelm said:
I just rewatched the game, and I thought all three QBs played solid football.
My conclusion is that anyone who is voicing strong criticism of any of these guys is almost certainly doing so based on a bias towards their QB of choice.
In other words, some folks are either falling victim to confirmation bias, or have a straight up agenda.
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Thank you. You said it better than I did.
 
Hervoyel said:
Plenty of worse problems to have. Honestly if he would begin working the chosen one like a starter right now to prepare for the upcoming season I'd be able to get behind any of the three.
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We'll know in a week if the reports that he will announce a winner after the game this week are true. He'd want to have his chosen man take the number one snaps during practice in the third week since the fourth is about making cuts.
 
Marshall said:
We'll know in a week if the reports that he will announce a winner after the game this week are true. He'd want to have his chosen man take the number one snaps during practice in the third week since the fourth is about making cuts.
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Where was that a report rather than speculation?
 
infantrycak said:
Where was that a report rather than speculation?
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It's been secondhand, so that's why I indicated, IF TRUE so it would not be taken as more. But I admit that I haven't researched the origination of the second hand speculation/reports. I've been too busy today. I've read a lot of linked articles on both TexanTalk and NFL.com between two out of town trips, dominoes and a shopping trip.

No one who doesn't know me personally could ever know how much of a miracle that kind of day is for me.
 
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