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Chris Palmer Fired!!!

Palmer complicated the offense so bad that Carr had to wear a wrest band to have the plays written on it. When you can't remember the plays that you need them on your wrest to read them before you call them you might as well be a rookie all over again.
 
Diehardtexan said:
Palmer complicated the offense so bad that Carr had to wear a wrest band to have the plays written on it. When you can't remember the plays that you need them on your wrest to read them before you call them you might as well be a rookie all over again.
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Every QB in the league has a wrist band with the plays on it.
 
gwallaia said:
I wonder how soon the Fire Pendrythreads will start?
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If he doesn't simplify the play calling and starts to air it out a little, the fire Pendry threads will be out as soon as the bye week. We are not even going to wait for the first game back to start this.
 
HardKnockTexan said:
Every QB in the league has a wrist band with the plays on it.
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Name one that you saw the first two weeks. If you can't remember that the darn play is a run and the next one is a run then the third one after a sack is a pass to a well coverd WR then you don't need to be in this league. every fan on this board can tell you what play is coming next except for the players on our offense. Either we are sooooooooooo smart or the players are sooooooooooooooooooooo dump.
 
Ihategeeks said:
I hope the Lions every single one of their coaches except for Special teams at some point.


Good Move guys
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Not to be a grammar jerk or anything, but I think you're missing a verb between "Lions" and "every." I assume you intended to use the verb "fire." Am I right?

I think that releasing Palmer was the right thing to do. Don't worry, this will probably result in the firing of Capers and Fangio (and maybe Casserly) at the end of the season. I think it's easier for McNair to make a sacrificial firing now and appease us bloodthirsty fans than to the fire all of those responsible now or to wait until the end of the season before making any moves. If things stay the same or, Lord forbid, get worse, we might see some other shakeups in the leadership. I know a lot of you want to see everybody get canned now, and I can understand that. However, McNair has "office politics" and personnel issues to consider as well as the onfeild performance when making that decision.
 
playoff year please said:
Allthough I am not much of a Palmer fan, Capers needs to go. The offense does much better when they pass more not less. Palmer is run and shoot. Capers runs the ball until he punts and is probably going to start punting on third down so he won't have to pass.
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Dom Capers isnt the guy for the Texans, he is a Loser, and by that I mean he has loser's mentality and it has crept into the mentality of our players. He plays not to lose the game, and not as Herm Edwards says "to win the game!" Lets get good field position all game long punt, punt, punt, get one TD, and 3 FG and we win the game. That is for losers! This is why he got fired previously, we need a young head coach who is willing to take some chances, and put together a tough I say TOUGH defense. Did anyone see Buchanon not try to tackle Parker when he waltzed in for a TD. What was that? I wish we had Jack Del Rio/Jim Mora/Herm Edwards, they get the most outta their players regardless of so called talent (which we all seem to think is just overflowing in Houston???) Did you know that Pendry is the only coach on staff for the Texans w/ Pro Playing experience? That worries me about our staff. All I can say is he can't be worse. I'd rather go back to running every damn play than David getting sacked 13 times in 2 games? Wouldn't you...we're Not making the playoffs so get it out of your mind but we could finish a respectable 6-10 or maybe 8-8, which would still be an improvement over and witstanding everything that's gone wrong. Right now the the worst team in the NFL are the Texans, we have no contiunity, comfort, identity, or stability. There's no where to go but Up, I think we can now at least become COMPETITIVE. That's the most important factor, will we compete, not just lay down like we have in the last 4 games going back to last season. Pendry will be looking to replace Capers, if he does a decent job at revamping the offense at all I think he will have a shot. If we run/control the clock/ playaction pass/ short/hot routes, we will be far far better, and more entertaining to watch. Capers said himself the Steelers are what we want to be. I'd love to see Domanick/Johnathan/Morency running out the clock every game, then David throws a 30yder to AJ. Go Pendry!!! :texflag:
 
I clicked on the "Churrascos Cut of the Game" link on the Texans home page, and oddly enough, it didn't link to a picture of Chris Palmer.
 
Diehardtexan said:
Name one that you saw the first two weeks. If you can't remember that the darn play is a run and the next one is a run then the third one after a sack is a pass to a well coverd WR then you don't need to be in this league. every fan on this board can tell you what play is coming next except for the players on our offense. Either we are sooooooooooo smart or the players are sooooooooooooooooooooo dump.
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Ben Rothleasefasdf, Tom Brady, Payton Manning, Bryron Leftwhich, Drew Bledsoe, Donavan McNabb, Mike Vick, Drew Breese, Chad Pennington... I can go on and on and on... should I name the back ups too? maybe the 3rd string QB's as well??
 
Vince Young won the Ohio State game in the air. He improves every week, and I am confident he will play QB at the pro level.
 
After what I saw yesterday, the line was as much the problem as the Carr's happy feat and Palmer's 3 TE sets. I can't say I'm happy about the firing, there has been just way to many inconsistancies throughout our existance. The implosion started way back in the offseason however. There are just too many factors to blame just one aspect of our team, both offensive and defensive. Casserly should be next as he to me is the number 1 factor in the quality of athletes we have.

Let's get behind Pendy, our season depends on it.
 
I am still not certain the problem was Palmer. But at least we will know for sure in 2 weeks...

Was it just me or did anyone else notice that Carr was too quick to run out of the "pocket"? Why don't they run timing routes and throw to WR's down field? The game sucked, but I still didnt boo the players yet as some were...
 
HardKnockTexan said:
I think the guy's great. I just see a lack of arm strength and accuracy to be an NFL QB. He seems more like a Matt Jones kinnda guy than a Mike Vick kinnda guy... but I'm not an NFL scout...
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...needs to improve accuracy but he can throw the ball 80yds
 
pebblescds said:
Dom Capers isnt the guy for the Texans, he is a Loser, and by that I mean he has loser's mentality and it has crept into the mentality of our players. He plays not to lose the game, and not as Herm Edwards says "to win the game!"
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who has believes strongly in the psychological component of the Texans' problems. Playing not to lose is what will keep us from ever achieving anything great.
 
tsip said:
...needs to improve accuracy but he can throw the ball 80yds
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It just seems like his ball is slow to arive... kinnda floats on him. He is one of my favorite players at the college level and I think he'll be fine in the NFL no matter his possition, I just hope he plays in the one that he will do best in.
 
Okay so they fire the OC and replace him with the OLC?

Man they are basically handling this position like they did the offensive line.

"oh we weren't able to get the big name, but this guy can play too."
 
Diehardtexan said:
If he doesn't simplify the play calling and starts to air it out a little, the fire Pendry threads will be out as soon as the bye week. We are not even going to wait for the first game back to start this.
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I'm confused as to what you mean here.

The words "simplying the playcalling" and "air it out" are contradicting statements.

Passing offenses are more complex than runs, primarily since blocking assigments on a pass is generally tougher to establish than on a run.

So if the Texans were to "air it out", the offense would get more complicated.

With Pendry, the offense will be simplified, for sure. Which means more runs, less "airing it out".
 
DefLord said:
Why not just bring in Jack Pardee - maybe he can set up the Run and SHoot like the good ole Gambler days! God I miss Jim Kelly and his Run and Shoot crew!
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Kevin Gilbride could be available at the end of the Hawaii U season
 
fingers5 said:
Kevin Gilbride could be available at the end of the Hawaii U season
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Wasn't that June Jones? I thought Gilbride was coaching somewhere in the NFL right now. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
one step forward, two steps back. we're finally making changes ... YaY! now lets see if we can make the RIGHT changes. palmer was the scapegoat and seemed to me atleast to be the only one with anything resembling a clue. pendry will yes maam capers and together they'll run the ball 60 times for 40 yards until pendry is made the next scapegoat (again). capers still sits dumbfounded on the sideline, carr's still running scared, our zone defense is still completely lost, buchannon's still getting roasted, we still have zero pass rush, and our offensive line is still the worst in the league.

my appologies for not dancing with joy.
 
Hervoyel said:
Wasn't that June Jones? I thought Gilbride was coaching somewhere in the NFL right now. Maybe I'm wrong.
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You're correct. Kevin is coaching Eli in New Jersey.
 
fingers5 said:
Kevin Gilbride could be available at the end of the Hawaii U season
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Yeah and Buddy Ryan is ready to knock that "chuck & duck" guy on his keister again. Why would you want a pass happy guy like Gilbride, when our pass blocking is so bad, we move our ALL PRO receiver into the slot so he might get 5-6 yards? AARGGH! We sign a QB that can get over 3,000 yards, a 1000 yard receiver, and Mathis for his blinding speed to play behind a line that is built for "running". If I was Carr and Johnson, I think I would sit on the bench and say "call us when you get serious".

I have been defending Capers and Palmer til this season. In spring training and the 2 regular games, the offense looked completely lost. That says COACHES to me. I followed the OILERS from the 60's and never turned the dial. Yesterday in the third quarter, I flipped over for a movie. I do not mind losing, but I refuse to watch mediocrity again. We have enough good :brickwall players to at least compete.
 
I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with Capers and Casserly. Congrats Chuck and Dom you bought yourselves a few weeks but you lost whatever respect anybody had for you in the NFL imo.

I'm no Palmer fan but this is the equivalent of the board of directors firing the warehouse managers after putting them into bankruptcy.

You start from the top down and the Texans are clearly in need of an enema.

The fans of Houston deserve better imo.

Before you have a good starting 22, you don't draft second and 3rd string QB's. Throw your franchise kid to the wolves ruining him, coach scared, give up picks for Jason Babin cauise you believe your one good pass rusher away, you weren't anywhere near a position to give up those picks...

I remember joking w/Vin on anoither board about the Texans drafting a long snapper next...and they DID!

Casserly would resign if he had any honor.
 
Young will play QB in the NFL. Im sure of it.
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No doubt about it. Anyone who says he can't play QB in the NFL either isn't watching him play or is simply a poor judge of talent.

Here is just a snippet of how his BIO reads:

in 11 career games versus Top 25 opponents, has completed 104-of-183 passes (56.8%) for 1,318 yards and four TDs, while rushing 166 times for 1,197 yards and 15 TDs … in all, has accounted for 2,515 yards of offense and 20 TDs in those 11 games … was 148-of-250 (59.2%) for 1,849 yards and 12 TDs while running 167 times for 1,079 yards and 14 TDs in 2004 … became the first player in UT history to pass and rush for 1,000+ yards in the same season … his 59.2 completion percentage was the best-ever by a UT sophomore …
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Young's Bio Link

Read it and weep---the guy is a flat out phenomenon.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Palmer isn't/wasn't the only thing wrong with this team. We still have Capers, Casserly, and Fangio. I hope Bob Mcnair can see this as a first step to greatness. Fire the three mentioned above and we're in!!! I hope Palmer wasn't fired to just buy more time for Capers.
 
I don't think this is going to help them at all. I think they have 2 main problems: Casserly and Capers.
 
HJam72 said:
I don't think this is going to help them at all. I think they have 2 main problems: Casserly and Capers.
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I completely agree. Even w/ a new coordinator, the puppet master will still be able to pull his strings. When will the madness end. :brickwall
 
COOL V said:
I hope Palmer wasn't fired to just buy more time for Capers.
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When it's the HC that needs to be fired...but, they chop off the Off.Coord. first....that's exactly what is happening.

A couple of more offensive performances like that....and, Capers is on his way.



See sig.....Step #1 is complete.



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Dubble Trubble said:
When it's the HC that needs to be fired...but, they chop off the Off.Coord. first....that's exactly what is happening.

A couple of more offensive performances like that....and, Capers is on his way.



See sig.....Step #1 is complete.



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Hell yeah!!
 
I have my doubts about Capers, but I still like Casserly. He hits on far more draft picks than he misses, which is more than can be said for the majority of personnel guys and GMs. His prominent busts have been down to injury rather than lack of talent. The poor O-line play is down to coaching, not the front office - the best O-line coaches will get solid play out of damn near any old scrubs. And before you say "So why promote Pendry?", he clearly had to go with the guy his head coach wanted, and it had to be a promotion from within. We'll go 6-10 or 7-9 (unless Carr goes down for the season and Ragone either plays like a decent back-up - likely, and leading to 4-12 - or becomes the second coming of Warner - unlikely, and leading to 10-6). Remember that we've just played two of the toughest games on our schedule, with the '9ers, Browns and Titans twice still to come, and some other winnable games too. It's only Week 3, people.
 
The following is from the Texan's Web Site:

"This is Pendry's 19th NFL season and second in Houston. He previously served as offensive coordinator under Capers with the Panthers from 1995-97. Carolina posted a 27-23 record with one NFC Championship Game appearance over those three seasons.

Pendry then matriculated to Buffalo, where he served as offensive coordinator for three seasons, helping the Bills average 2,041 rushing yards per season. Pendry was also Kansas City's offensive coordinator from 1989-92, helping the Chiefs reach the playoffs in three of those four seasons.

Pendry said Monday that he will stay on the sidelines as coordinator.

"I feel more comfortable," he said. "I’ve called plays for a long time in this league as a coordinator down through the years. The only time I didn’t is when Dom and I were together at Carolina. I’ll be very honest with you. My personality, if I’m up in a press box, I get too excited. I scream and I yell. I can be on the sideline and I can see it. I have a better feel.

"We have an outstanding press box guy in (wide receivers coach) Kippy Brown. He’ll be my eyes there upstairs. It’s just my personality. I’m much better down there where I can see it. I have a better feel for it. That’s the way I’ve always felt I’ve been more successful as a play caller."

All you have to do is look at what he did at Buffalo and probably KC. Do you think we are going to pass the ball and utilize our receivers. I don't think so. Looks like more of the same or even worse. This is Caper's right hand boy and he has done an amazing job with the O-line. He's done so well we are the talk of the league. I can't believe that McNair can stand around with his hands in his pocket allowing this nonsense to go on. It's shameful. This has been in the works for awhile because they blocked his interviews with other teams. Good gravely please let some other team take him away from us now. I mean may be we could pay the other team a handsome reward. I HAVE NO CONIFEDENCE IN THIS MAN AT ALL.
 
the wonger need food said:
"Interestingly, Pendry was fired by Capers after the 1997 season at Carolina. Although, it was never confirmed, there was specualtion that Panthers owner Jerry Richardson made Capers fire Pendry, who was under fire because his offense was too conservative and unimaginative. "

It might get worse???
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Not likely, average age in Carolina in 1997 was 35, they had guys past their prime who had been better off being replaced with younger better talent..we in no way resemble Carolina in 1997
 
after reading most of these post lets sell the team to big BUD ADAMS and change coachs every two years but i dont understand why Jeff fisher is still there .
 
Ok... Now can we see what we don't do with the offense I guess. Don't know how much you can do with the running game other than let them gel and learn what works, like waiting for blocks maybe? The passing game though... now that's what I want to watch and see if any major developements pop up.
Stretch em out and make them crack!
 
COOL V said:
I hope Palmer wasn't fired to just buy more time for Capers.
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We'll never know for sure, but I think that IS what happened. I think Mack Brown did the same thing to his defensive coordinator.
 
Tulip said:
We'll never know for sure, but I think that IS what happened. I think Mack Brown did the same thing to his defensive coordinator.
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...which DC are you talking about for Brown? His one from last year left UT to become Head Coach at Syracuse...
 
:fishing: We have rowed out to the middle of the lake ... ooops theres a leak somebody's gotta go. Eeeny meeeny miny moe Chris its you so now you go .
 
Does this seem weird to anyone else? The absolute worst part of this team is our OL, and the coach who has been coaching them was just promoted? Strange.
 
Maybe we're supposed to read between the lines and realize that pendry was fired from his job of OL coach, and temporarily put into the OC spot until someone better could be found.
 
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