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Chris Palmer Fired!!!

Before this season started, I wrote in one of these threads that I thought Palmer would be the scapegoat and the first to go. Initially I thought it would be after this season. After these first two weeks, I began to wonder if it would happen immediately. I even told a co-worker I thought he would get fired during the bye. This clearly shows me that Capers is in the hot seat. I'm thinking we have to go at least 8-6 down the stretch for Capers to keep his job. Does anyone think we can do it?
 
Personally....the booing in yesterday's game probably got McNair's attention more than anything. When the paying season ticket owners have had enough...a smart owner will listen.

I hope further changes are in order. I sure don't think much of our defensive coordinator. The pass rush is pathetic.

Maybe ...just maybe we'll see a little urgency now translated onto the field.
:pigfly:
 
HardKnockTexan said:
I guess now we will all be able to tell if it was Capers over riding Palmer or Palmer just being really really bad at his job. Either way, if Pendry doesnt succeed then we can count on Capers being the next head to roll.
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exactly !

Im so glad to see this guy gone ! Now lets get rid of Dom Wayne and we'll be alright .
 
Meisterman said:
Personally....the booing in yesterday's game probably got McNair's attention more than anything. When the paying season ticket owners have had enough...a smart owner will listen.

I hope further changes are in order. I sure don't think much of our defensive coordinator. The pass rush is pathetic.

Maybe ...just maybe we'll see a little urgency now translated onto the field.
:pigfly:
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Man do I agree! McNair is a smart owner. The booing is important. I also believe he hears from his employees answering the phones. He did last year when he gava an award to the fight song writers and then kicked it out after we spoke are peace. Call for Capers job people.
 
21 run salute-----

Nope, just 1st down run, 2nd down run, 3rd down scramble, and 4th down punt.

bobby 119C :brickwall
 
Texans - 4th season, should be getting it right.
City of Houston - WANTS THIS TEAM CONTENDING AND WINNING, RIGHT NOW!!!!! We don't want to wait another year or two although if they were winning from here on out that would be great.
 
touttail said:
21 run salute-----

Nope, just 1st down run, 2nd down run, 3rd down scramble, and 4th down punt.

bobby 119C :brickwall
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Lets be safe....Throwing could be intercepted, and we don't want turnovers....Lets 1st run 2nd run 3rd punt. This way our punter has a run option, then if he runs we can punt on 4th. :yahoo:
 
I dont think this was the answer.
Ive heard Palmer wanted to be more aggressive, but was forced to conform to Capers "ball control" type offense. I thought the offense should take more chances, and not rely so heavily on the running game to open up the passing game so much.

Since the game was such a blow out I listened to 790am yesterday.
The national media was reporting:
David Carr is on the hot seat!!!
"The Texans are getting WORSE and not better"
 
BlueBull40oz said:
I dont think this was the answer.
Ive heard Palmer wanted to be more aggressive, but was forced to conform to Capers "ball control" type offense. I thought the offense should take more chances, and not rely so heavily on the running game to open up the passing game so much.

Since the game was such a blow out I listened to 790am yesterday.
The national media was reporting:
David Carr is on the hot seat!!!
"The Texans are getting WORSE and not better"
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So true. The Texans move the ball more when they throw on first down. IMO. The reports were that Palmer was doing what he was told to do by Capers.
 
BlueBull40oz said:
I dont think this was the answer.
Ive heard Palmer wanted to be more aggressive, but was forced to conform to Capers "ball control" type offense. I thought the offense should take more chances, and not rely so heavily on the running game to open up the passing game so much.
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Guys, its a message...not the answer.
 
This I've got to see! Pendry was fired by Capers at Carolina for being conservative and unimaginative, just like the Texans offense. Two different OC, same HC-guess who really ran/runs these offenses?? Too, both Palmer and Pendry have been sucessful OC's under other head coaches, where they actually functioned as the OC. I don't know who replaced Pendry at Carolina but he obviously didn't work out since Capers was fired at the end of that season.

Now, here's the good part--either Capers swallows a big chunk of ego and lets Pendry really be the OC or he will be 'outta here.'...stay tuned!! :drool: :yahoo:
 
The more you start to chew on this the funnier it gets. I love McNair...he is a savy as they come! What a message!

I would be suprised if both Capers and Pendry make it to season's end though.
 
BREAZE said:
Guys, its a message...not the answer.
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Yeah, but "the message" tells me that Bob McNair doesn't even understand where the problem is much less how to fix it. There have been few things in our teams short history that I found less comforting than watching them pretend that getting rid of Chris Palmer was the right thing to do.

I'm as disgusted today as I was last week when they lost to Buffalo. I didn't get disgusted yesterday at the game no matter how much I tried. I just couldn't muster up the necessary emotion to do so.
 
Hervoyel said:
Yeah, but "the message" tells me that Bob McNair doesn't even understand where the problem is much less how to fix it. There have been few things in our teams short history that I found less comforting than watching them pretend that getting rid of Chris Palmer was the right thing to do.

I'm as disgusted today as I was last week when they lost to Buffalo. I didn't get disgusted yesterday at the game no matter how much I tried. I just couldn't muster up the necessary emotion to do so.
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so McNair should of done nothing. Just let us field the poor excuse for a team the remainder of the season....
right?
 
Hervoyel said:
I'm as disgusted today as I was last week when they lost to Buffalo. I didn't get disgusted yesterday at the game no matter how much I tried. I just couldn't muster up the necessary emotion to do so.
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Yea, the outcome was a lot like the playcalling...
 
There's something at the heart of all this that really pains me to think about. This organization (the Texans) is perhaps deeply flawed at its very core. When a head coach is not allowed to choose his own offensive coordinator at the outset, one who reflects his own philosophy, the team is ultimately doomed to suffer this kind of result. A conservative system can work brilliantly if you have the proper personnel and adhere to the philosophy from start to finish. An aggressive, wide open attack can work brilliantly if you have the proper personnel and adhere to the philosophy from start to finish. But to put a head coach with a conservative mindset together with an offensive coordinator with the opposite mindset, you are condemning that organization to failure. I think very highly of Charley Casserly, but I feel he should have allowed Capers to hire his own guy from the beginning.....
 
Just heard (here at work) that Palmer's been fired.... can anyone confirm??
 
HardKnockTexan said:
so McNair should of done nothing. Just let us field the poor excuse for a team the remainder of the season....
right?
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McNair should have sent Capers packing, let Palmer run it on an interim basis for the rest of the season, and then decided which direction to go at the end of the year. We've seen three whole seasons of Dom-Ball. They told us it was our limited expansion playbook but it was really what our offense was supposed to be all along.

Bring on the losing streak. To paraphrase Jack Nicholson in Batman; "This team needs an enema!"
 
Why not just bring in Jack Pardee - maybe he can set up the Run and SHoot like the good ole Gambler days! God I miss Jim Kelly and his Run and Shoot crew!
 
DefLord said:
Why not just bring in Jack Pardee - maybe he can set up the Run and SHoot like the good ole Gambler days! God I miss Jim Kelly and his Run and Shoot crew!
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As long as your not woried about clock management. Run and shoot would work with Carr and Davis. Our receivers, backs and quarterback are made for run and shoot.
 
bottom line Palmer was frustrated with Carr and the offensive inability to exacute his game planning. its much easier to replace the offensive cordinator than the franchise QB. I saw the shot gun offense several times, which I like with Carr (gives him time to read the defense better & OL to create the protection) but he refused to stay in the pocket or step up into the hole his linemen created to complete the play. for this Palmer gets the ax :deadhorse
 
So I guess the question must be Matt or Reggie?
Or is there another college player who could be drafted to build around.
We can make it to the Superbowl by 2010 if we start over now.
 
non natural texan said:
Nah, I always figured that if they fired Capers, Palmer would take over. Actually thats what I was hoping to happen and Palmer would just be an interm Head Coach.
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Thats what I wanted too.
 
HardKnockTexan said:
Think Vince Young will play QB in the NFL??? I'm betting he ends up at WR.
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Still too early to tell, but I think he is proving he can be an effective QB the more he matures. He is one heck of a competitor...
 
HardKnockTexan said:
Think Vince Young will play QB in the NFL??? I'm betting he ends up at WR.
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Should I assume that you haven't watched the guy play?

The guy is a winner, playmaker, leader... plus every other intangible quality you can think of.
 
Hulk75 said:
Bye Chris go ruin some other teams Offense. :BananaWav
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Is it Chris or Dom? Will Joe last longer here than he did with Dom the first time?
I am beginning to believe that it is Dom. Which I hate because I like the guy.
 
the wonger need food said:
Should I assume that you haven't watched the guy play?

The guy is a winner, playmaker, leader... plus every other intangible quality you can think of.
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I think the guy's great. I just see a lack of arm strength and accuracy to be an NFL QB. He seems more like a Matt Jones kinnda guy than a Mike Vick kinnda guy... but I'm not an NFL scout...
 
the wonger need food said:
Should I assume that you haven't watched the guy play?

The guy is a winner, playmaker, leader... plus every other intangible quality you can think of.
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He is an arm away from being the Texas Vick. But in the league he will have to have that arm.
Vince Young is the polar opposite of Drew Bledsoe but Drew has the one thing that teams pay for and thats the arm.
 
Vince would be sweet but remember, he's only a junior. He might come out early if they win the national championship this year. I like Reggie but Matt is no slouch either.

If Vince stays, I say we go o-line this off-season and draft (like we should have done this off-season) and if David still can't get it done, we go after Vince in the '07 draft. Or dare I say, Marcus Vick... :hmmm:
 
It's funny watching all of this play out much like I said back in the off-season - yet back then I was harrased and put down by people here for being a bad/chicken little fan and stating what I saw. I said that unless some serious changes start happening and the FO starts stepping up and doing whats necessary to make this team better and get the playmakers here who can play/spend the money we have to get better players or trade for better things would start going downhill fast. That the O-line was a disaster area and still needed serious help so bad the Owner stated that thigns needed to be fixed and if they ignored him somebody would be fired. That if they continued to ignore everything this team will underperform and people will start loosing their jobs before mid-season to get peoples attention. That the man who pays the checks was not a bad fan and even he said - You better do a better job next year to protect DC.

I said I hoped they would prove me wrong and that I was not being doom & Gloom, but realistic.

The coaches and FO only have themselves to blame and so here comes the fingerpointing.

2 games into the 05 Regular season and were now 1-6 dating back to the last game of 2004. Yes I count pre-season, because its still a game, its still live game reps, and as a fact of life I know extremely well - You perform 99% just like you practice. So The texans 1-3 thru pre-season showed me just how bad they were then, yet All of these coaches did and could not seem to recognize this even then.

Too close to the fire perhaps?? Who knows -THe score now though is The Texans 2005 season is the Team is O for 2 and has 1 coach down, and 1 starter down for the year and 2 other staretrs benched in a game. An anemic Offense thats produced goose eggs more than points and a defense so porous and outmanned they look like high school ballers. IMO looks like a few more coaches will go soon too esp if they dont wake up and start doing there jobs a whole lot better. I honestly put the last 2 performances more on the staff's shoulders for underpreparing the team and bad playcalling. Sure it goes along with a bad team outing. But 1 win in 7 games? Thats a philosophy problem. I think some players have lost serious confidence in the coaches abilities to do their jobs at this point.

I'm no NFL Guru mind you, but I am smart enough to realize the truth of the matters in business and the writing on the wall. Having played football I can recognize a lack of talent when I see one and a lack of coaching when it's not there. Right now were lacking on talent in some places for sure, but our coaching has just been plain pathetic for too long and left un-checked has just went to crud IMO. They have lost the respect and confidence of their players. Now IMO the rest of the staff has 2 weeks to get their shiz together or they may be joining Mr. Palmer in the unemployment line pretty soon.

edited - pre-season info
 
i've been a die-hard fan since the Texans' inaugural year and shared frustrations with many of you as the team endured its growing pains. although i've disowned the teams on many occassions only to realize my mistake minutes later, i always had faith that the ownership and management had a solid plan to build the team ... except for one area.

i never was sold that Chris Palmer was the answer at OC. after seeing the poor job he did as Cleveland's head coach, i was surprised and somewhat offended the Texans hired him. while the offense shows flashes of brilliance at times, i feel that's more a result of good athletes rather than good play calling.

nothing personal against Palmer, but i just don't feel he was the right man for the job. best of luck to him in the future.

that being said, i feel a new sense of optimism for this year. things might get worse before they get better, but hopefully this change will be the catalyst the Texans need to get on the right track.

i also hope this lights the fire under Capers, Fangio and crew that they could be next.
 
Wow! I just logged on to the internet today and I find out that Palmer was fired! I for am glad that atleast something is being done instead of nothing. I don't know but after watching yesterday's game I was wondering if our coaching staff is blind or what?! They kept on running the ball right up the middle of the Steelers defense. After a while you have to realize that you can't keep making plays for one or two yards but that didn't stop Capers or Palmer from doing the same thing. I'm afraid though that Palmer is one of the problems in this team and before this season ends I'm betting on more changes to come for this team.
 
U4ikrob said:
2 games into the 05 Regular season and were now 0-7 dating back to the last game of 2004. Yes I count pre-season, because its still a game, its still live game reps, and as a fact of life I know extremely well - You perform 99% just like you practice. So The texans 0-4 thru pre-season showed me just how bad they were then, yet the coaches couldnt recognize this even then.
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We weren't 0-4 this preseason. Remember the Raider game?
 
Tankhead said:
Young will be a WR in the NFL. He is not a pro QB.
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Young might be able to be a pro QB if he stays at Texas for his senior year. He has zero shot of that if he comes out after this year.
 
the wonger need food said:
"Interestingly, Pendry was fired by Capers after the 1997 season at Carolina. Although, it was never confirmed, there was specualtion that Panthers owner Jerry Richardson made Capers fire Pendry, who was under fire because his offense was too conservative and unimaginative. "

It might get worse???
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Well I'm glad to see that McNair got the ball rolling, I am going to hope for Capers sake that he now "gets it." He has been very passive about the way the Texans have regressed since late last season. He now has to be pro-active if he wants to keep his job. Stop standing up and finding "good things we did" and figure out how to stop the mistakes and strive for excellence. He's got 10 games to prove himself worthy of the job, I say 10 because by week 12 McNair will be eyeing surfire replacements and under the table interviewing. I don't think he waits (as we saw today) til the ship is completely sunk, he doesn't want Houston to lose faith and hope in its team. We craved football, and he fought to bring it back, I indeed feel that he will work as hard as any owner to acheive a good product for the fans.

Carr is our leader, Davis, Robinson, and Johnson are our soldiers. :texans:
 
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