MEGA SWATT
All Pro
since we're now saying stupid stuff.........
At least Case doesn't have Mange for a hair style. Just sayin.......
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Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck
- Thread starter thunderkyss
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since we're now saying stupid stuff.........
At least Case doesn't have Mange for a hair style. Just sayin.......
speedfreek
All Pro
I think I read somewhere that Keenum kicked a 40+ yard field goal in
highschool..
TJ
highschool..
TJ
klockWork
Rookie
Luck was behind the 8ball the whole game. He's on the road, w/o his #1 receiver, w/o a productive running game, behind a bad pass protection, playing in a bad system. If Luck had better stats than Keenum has, Luck should be in the hall of fame right now.
But all he did was throw 3 tds, 0 int, 271 yds and another 4th comeback win. Yeah, Keenum is the unanimous baller.
There's nothing wrong with both of them being ballers, is there?
speedfreek
All Pro
Keenum put up better numbers with a lesser team.
Luck put up worse numbers with a better team.
You can call whomever a baller you want.
Luck had no Wayne. Keenum had no Daniels, no
Foster, no Cushing, no Manning, no head coach
(hence no OC) in half 2, and a completely illegitimate
field goal kicker.
TJ
Luck put up worse numbers with a better team.
You can call whomever a baller you want.
Luck had no Wayne. Keenum had no Daniels, no
Foster, no Cushing, no Manning, no head coach
(hence no OC) in half 2, and a completely illegitimate
field goal kicker.
TJ
speedfreek
All Pro
From a John McClain article:
"Of course, another chapter to Keenum's Texas legend was added. He kicked a 47-yard field goal in the first game of the season. When Wylie needed three points for the Class 3A Division I title, Keenum pleaded for the right to guide another ball through the uprights.
"We had another kicker," Sandifer said. "But Case was begging me to put him in to kick it. He knew he could make it, and he wanted to kick it."
TJ
"Of course, another chapter to Keenum's Texas legend was added. He kicked a 47-yard field goal in the first game of the season. When Wylie needed three points for the Class 3A Division I title, Keenum pleaded for the right to guide another ball through the uprights.
"We had another kicker," Sandifer said. "But Case was begging me to put him in to kick it. He knew he could make it, and he wanted to kick it."
TJ
fiasco west
All Pro
Well as we have just witnessed two games in a row...Keenum can play amazingly well and the team will STILL find a way to lose. So no worries there.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
So, what you're SAYING is....QB isn't the only thing that matters?
fiasco west
All Pro
Heh I know, some people think it is that simple though.
Texans get two more FGs OR the defense just gets one more stop they win this game. It sucks, but our special teams in general (outside of punting the ball) has been horrible and our defense has let this team down a lot this year.
I'm thinking about the Seattle and KC game where they needed a stop as well and couldn't get one. Cushing a huge loss but our secondary has regressed...guess Reed was a bad signing instead of Quinn...
Luck had help in the second half; Keenum didn't.
Third Quarter
R.Bullock kicks 62 yards from HST 35 to IND 3. D.Reed pushed ob at IND 42 for 39 yards (E.Pleasant).
Indianapolis Colts at 15:00, (1st play from scrimmage 14:53)
1-10-IND 42 (14:53) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass incomplete short middle to C.Fleener
Short field postion for Luck and the Colts due to shoddy ST coverage.
3-6-HST 32 (12:19) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass incomplete deep right to G.Whalen (B.McCain).
PENALTY on HST-E.Reed, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at HST 32
Instead of a 49-50 yd FG try, the Colts made a 35 yarder (Luck ended up with 3 incompletions.
4-10-HST 17 (11:57) A.Vinatieri 35 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Overton, Holder-P.McAfee
...
P.McAfee kicks 74 yards from IND 35 to HST -9. K.Martin to HST 13 for 22 yards (K.Conner, S.Brown).
Houston Texans at 11:54, (1st play from scrimmage 11:48)
1-10-HST 13 (11:48) D.Johnson left guard to HST 18 for 5 yards (A.Franklin).
On the other hand, the ST gave Keenum the ball at the 13.
...
3-5-HST 20 (:29) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass incomplete deep right to L.Brazill.
PENALTY on HST-D.Sharpton, Roughing the Passer, 10 yards, enforced at HST 20 - No Play. X12
(:21) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass incomplete short left to D.Heyward-Bey. IND-D.Heyward-Bey was injured during the play. His return is
Questionable.
1-10-HST 10
2-10-HST 10 (:17) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass incomplete short left to T.Hilton (J.Joseph).
3-10-HST 10 (:11) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass short left to T.Hilton for 10 yards, TOUCHDOWN
Instead of a FG, the penalty helped give the Colts a TD.
...
Fourth Quarter
4-3-IND 25 (10:36) R.Bullock 43 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-J.Weeks, Holder-S.Lechler.
The missed FG gave the Colts better field position than the average.
....
3-7-HST 33 (6:54) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short right to A.Johnson to HST 44 for 11 yards (D.Butler).
Indianapolis challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED.
(Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.
4-7-HST 33 (6:21) S.Lechler punts 19 yards to IND 48, Center-J.Weeks, out of bounds. (The punt hang time was 4.8 seconds.)
Keenum was robbed of a third down conversion here.
...
4-16-IND 10 (:58) P.McAfee punts 56 yards to HST 34, Center-M.Overton. K.Martin pushed ob at IND 46 for 20 yards (K.Conner).
PENALTY on HST-E.Mack, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at HST 43
Instead of having good field position, at the Colts 46, the Texans had the ball at their 33 instead; thus the long missed FG by Bullock at the end.
...
Also, in the first half, the Colts lone FG was helped by a bad bounce on Lechler's punt and a PI on KJax.
4-8-HST 30 (5:15) S.Lechler punts 57 yards to IND 13, Center-J.Weeks. T.Hilton pushed ob at IND 47 for 34 yards (S.Lechler). (The punt hang time was 4.6
seconds.)
Indianapolis Colts at 5:00
1-10-IND 47 (5:00) A.Luck pass incomplete deep middle to D.Heyward-Bey.
PENALTY on HST-K.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 46 yards, enforced at IND 47 - No Play. X4
4-12-HST 12 (3:33) A.Vinatieri 30 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Overton, Holder-P.McAfee.
On the other hand, Keenum suffered from one of Bullock's missed FG.
...
Yeah, I would say Keenum outplayed Luck alright.
Third Quarter
R.Bullock kicks 62 yards from HST 35 to IND 3. D.Reed pushed ob at IND 42 for 39 yards (E.Pleasant).
Indianapolis Colts at 15:00, (1st play from scrimmage 14:53)
1-10-IND 42 (14:53) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass incomplete short middle to C.Fleener
Short field postion for Luck and the Colts due to shoddy ST coverage.
3-6-HST 32 (12:19) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass incomplete deep right to G.Whalen (B.McCain).
PENALTY on HST-E.Reed, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at HST 32
Instead of a 49-50 yd FG try, the Colts made a 35 yarder (Luck ended up with 3 incompletions.
4-10-HST 17 (11:57) A.Vinatieri 35 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Overton, Holder-P.McAfee
...
P.McAfee kicks 74 yards from IND 35 to HST -9. K.Martin to HST 13 for 22 yards (K.Conner, S.Brown).
Houston Texans at 11:54, (1st play from scrimmage 11:48)
1-10-HST 13 (11:48) D.Johnson left guard to HST 18 for 5 yards (A.Franklin).
On the other hand, the ST gave Keenum the ball at the 13.
...
3-5-HST 20 (:29) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass incomplete deep right to L.Brazill.
PENALTY on HST-D.Sharpton, Roughing the Passer, 10 yards, enforced at HST 20 - No Play. X12
(:21) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass incomplete short left to D.Heyward-Bey. IND-D.Heyward-Bey was injured during the play. His return is
Questionable.
1-10-HST 10
2-10-HST 10 (:17) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass incomplete short left to T.Hilton (J.Joseph).
3-10-HST 10 (:11) (Shotgun) A.Luck pass short left to T.Hilton for 10 yards, TOUCHDOWN
Instead of a FG, the penalty helped give the Colts a TD.
...
Fourth Quarter
4-3-IND 25 (10:36) R.Bullock 43 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-J.Weeks, Holder-S.Lechler.
The missed FG gave the Colts better field position than the average.
....
3-7-HST 33 (6:54) (Shotgun) C.Keenum pass short right to A.Johnson to HST 44 for 11 yards (D.Butler).
Indianapolis challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED.
(Shotgun) C.Keenum pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.
4-7-HST 33 (6:21) S.Lechler punts 19 yards to IND 48, Center-J.Weeks, out of bounds. (The punt hang time was 4.8 seconds.)
Keenum was robbed of a third down conversion here.
...
4-16-IND 10 (:58) P.McAfee punts 56 yards to HST 34, Center-M.Overton. K.Martin pushed ob at IND 46 for 20 yards (K.Conner).
PENALTY on HST-E.Mack, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at HST 43
Instead of having good field position, at the Colts 46, the Texans had the ball at their 33 instead; thus the long missed FG by Bullock at the end.
...
Also, in the first half, the Colts lone FG was helped by a bad bounce on Lechler's punt and a PI on KJax.
4-8-HST 30 (5:15) S.Lechler punts 57 yards to IND 13, Center-J.Weeks. T.Hilton pushed ob at IND 47 for 34 yards (S.Lechler). (The punt hang time was 4.6
seconds.)
Indianapolis Colts at 5:00
1-10-IND 47 (5:00) A.Luck pass incomplete deep middle to D.Heyward-Bey.
PENALTY on HST-K.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 46 yards, enforced at IND 47 - No Play. X4
4-12-HST 12 (3:33) A.Vinatieri 30 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Overton, Holder-P.McAfee.
On the other hand, Keenum suffered from one of Bullock's missed FG.
...
Yeah, I would say Keenum outplayed Luck alright.
ajohnson80
Waterboy
I'm going to say the refs were really lame in this one but Andy Luck is the golden boy at the moment. Keenum played better in this one. If Keenum keeps this level of play up he is a superstar in the making, and this season will be good for him to take his lumps.
Really can not believe this thread.
& I don't understand this.
Before Luck took a snap in the NFL, Many of you guys saying it's too soon to compare Keenum & Luck were saying that Luck was better than Schaub, that this will be the Colts division to lose.
& here we are.
The question now, is "Does Keenum even the odds?"
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I will 2nd the notion that this thread is stupid, and even worse than that is all of you excuse makers for Keenum. Even funnier is someone who says something about being in the minority as if somehow being in the majority makes you right.
The entire German population thought Hitler was great too, and if I am not mistaken, the majority voted for the current POTUS too... TWICE! Just sayin'.
The way I see it, many of you Schaub critics said all the Texans needed was a real QB and all would be right in Texans land, that bad offensive line play could be overcome by a mobile QB with a strong arm, and now all I hear is excuse after excuse in defense of the one many of you have anointed the messiah.
For now, you have all put out your torches, placed your pitch forks in the shed and replaced all of that criticism of Schaub with excuses for Keenum. Which of course you have to do, or you might look unreasonable right?
And yea before the usual suspects attack me and call me names, attack my character, blaa blaa blaa. Keep in mind I will not lose a wink of sleep, nor will I respect your opinion any more than I do now. So go ahead and fire away. I expect it from the fair weather, majority mob on this board who think their join date, or post count equates to having legitimacy.
The entire German population thought Hitler was great too, and if I am not mistaken, the majority voted for the current POTUS too... TWICE! Just sayin'.
The way I see it, many of you Schaub critics said all the Texans needed was a real QB and all would be right in Texans land, that bad offensive line play could be overcome by a mobile QB with a strong arm, and now all I hear is excuse after excuse in defense of the one many of you have anointed the messiah.
For now, you have all put out your torches, placed your pitch forks in the shed and replaced all of that criticism of Schaub with excuses for Keenum. Which of course you have to do, or you might look unreasonable right?
And yea before the usual suspects attack me and call me names, attack my character, blaa blaa blaa. Keep in mind I will not lose a wink of sleep, nor will I respect your opinion any more than I do now. So go ahead and fire away. I expect it from the fair weather, majority mob on this board who think their join date, or post count equates to having legitimacy.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Saying the kicker, who went 1 for 4 in a game we lost by a field goal, was the main catalyst for us losing this game isn't an excuse. It's a fact. If you can't see that Keenum's ability to buy time in the pocket and throw downfield have added a positive element to our offense then it is you that is being unreasonable. I haven't seen anyone making excuses for Keenum's play tonight because he has played well above most people's expectations. As for Schaub, he wasn't the sole reason we were losing but he was a big part of it along with our offensive line, overrated defense and abysmal special teams. At this point, there's no need to even mention Schaub anymore because this time next year he will be wearing a different jersey on Sundays. And calling people fairweather fans because they don't agree with you is laughable, at best. Have a good night.
fiasco west
All Pro
But Keenum DID make up for the poor oline play SEVERAL times. Several times he extended a otherwise dead play and not only made a positive out of it...but one time threw a TD out of a broken play.
Well you be the judge.
Schaub in 6 games has thrown 8 tds, and 9 Ints...he's thrown more INTs than TDs and some of those as we know were pick sixes.
Keenum has thrown 0 INTS...soooo there is not much to excuse here. Schaub was contributing to the teams losses...Keenum has not. Sure he has made a bad read here and there or a bad decisions...so does every player...but those bad reads has not led to pick sixes or INTs.
It may seem like a stupid thread but why? Just because Case is undrafted? According to the stats that were put up by SNF, he's had comparable stats to RG3 in his first two games...
So why is this a silly thread? It's only because Luck is #1 draft pick and Keenum is undrafted...it's not by performance...
Luck's first game...
Completion -51.11%
Yds - 309
TDs - 1
INTs - 3
Rushing yds -9
Case's
Completion - 60% (Better)
Yds - 271 (Not bad)
TDs - 1 (even)
INTs - 0 (Better)
Rushing yds - 10 (Meh, they both run when they have to)
Second games...
Luck
Completion - 64.52%
Yds - 224
TDs - 2
INTs - 0
Rushing yds - 21
Case
Completion - 58.8% (Luck's was better here...)
Yds - 350 (But maybe because Case prefers the deep ball)
TDs - 3 ( hard to downplay this)
INTs - 0 (Texans could have used this earlier in the year...)
Rushing yds - 26
So...just forget that Luck was drafted #1 and Case wasn't drafted at all...what makes it such a silly thread?
Until Keenum starts stinking it up I don't see why people can't be excited for him. NFL has had many players get drafted late or go undrafted and become superstars even HOF players...time and time again actually...
So meh, I'm excited about the guy. Made some mistakes to be sure but none that cost the team and was a big reason the team had a good lead on the Colts.
He's proven he's a baller not a scrub...and people are just reacting appropriately...if he starts stinking it up I have no doubt people will be ready to replace him.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
i agree with this, most were putting luck in the HOF before he even took an NFL snap, but now we are premature on saying anything about Keenum after 2 solid NFL starts. Lets ask AJ what he thinks about case
speedfreek
All Pro
Nitrofish
What were you watching? Keenum outplayed Luck and the stats
show that he did.
No body is making (or needs to make) excuses for a QB who
earned a 123.0 QB rating. When your QB does that, and your
team loses, you look for someone else (or some other(s) )
to blame..
The only thing Luck has over Keenum is a better team, a better
fieldgoal kicker, and a defense that doesn't go keystone cops
with penalties in the 4thQ
Luck also had his offensive coordinator in the second half
What's your beef, did Case steal your lunch money or your girlfriend
or something?
By the way, congrats on proving Godwin's law...
TJ
What were you watching? Keenum outplayed Luck and the stats
show that he did.
No body is making (or needs to make) excuses for a QB who
earned a 123.0 QB rating. When your QB does that, and your
team loses, you look for someone else (or some other(s) )
to blame..
The only thing Luck has over Keenum is a better team, a better
fieldgoal kicker, and a defense that doesn't go keystone cops
with penalties in the 4thQ
Luck also had his offensive coordinator in the second half
What's your beef, did Case steal your lunch money or your girlfriend
or something?
By the way, congrats on proving Godwin's law...
TJ
bOODRO87
Time Consumer
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Actually hitler lost 3 elections, he was then made chancelor by president hindenburg, when president hindenburg died hitler also proclaimed himself head of state. They ran another election in which he he did win although over 4 million people voted against him. Hitler won the election out of fear, then he eliminated all other parties so there could be no opposition. If your going to use history as a reference atleast try to get it some what accurate.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
And then after that the Germans went and bombed Pearl Harbor and we all know where that led.
For you geniuses who say that Case starts out hot and then gets cold the rest of the game need to realize that Case DOES NOT call his own plays. It is the VERY SAME issue we've had all along with Kubiak's play calling and game plan. As soon as we get a decent lead we turn super conservative.
Case was well on his way to having a game similar to Nick Foles yesterday and then all of a sudden it was like a totally different offense took the field for the Texans and it's because of the conservative play calling. It has killed us throughout the years and now that the team has a QB who can actually execute an aggressive, proactive, keep the foot on the pedal style offense they take it away from him as soon as he gets a decent lead.
Anybody who knows anything about football can see that very clearly and our opponents know dxmn well that they just have to hang in there and be patient and we will let them back into the game.
Case was well on his way to having a game similar to Nick Foles yesterday and then all of a sudden it was like a totally different offense took the field for the Texans and it's because of the conservative play calling. It has killed us throughout the years and now that the team has a QB who can actually execute an aggressive, proactive, keep the foot on the pedal style offense they take it away from him as soon as he gets a decent lead.
Anybody who knows anything about football can see that very clearly and our opponents know dxmn well that they just have to hang in there and be patient and we will let them back into the game.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Luck has 10 come from behind wins in his first 2 years. Great QB's will put up W's, good QB'swill put up stats.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Like Alex Smith, right? That guy's GREAT!!
speedfreek
All Pro
NCTexan
Veteran
I don't think this happens is Kubiak doesn't go down. I thought he looked like a different coach with his play calls yesterday in the first half.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Between fans comparing Keenum to Luck after Keenum has only had 2 NFL starts and NitroTroll using a mass murder into a football analogy, beyond motarded by the way....
This is could get interesting....
This is could get interesting....
speedfreek
All Pro
I love motards, but then again I am a motorcyclist..
Between fans comparing Keenum to Luck after Keenum has only had 2 NFL starts and NitroTroll using a mass murder into a football analogy, beyond motarded by the way....
This is could get interesting....
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Undefeated KC. Playing great prior to injury in SF. Smith can't beat you by himself, but he isn't losing games either. Luck on the other hand will beat you, for comparison Luck had his first game winning drive in his 2nd start. Keenum is a nice prospect, no need to get mad, but he's no Luck, and no Smith for that matter.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
No one needs to attack you. The ignorance and foolishness of your own words regarding Keenum do it all by yourself.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
If you know anything about Kubiak's game plan, that whole 2nd half was Kubiak's game plan. There was nothing different about how Kubiak would have called that game. That had KUbiak's name and style written all over it.
NCTexan
Veteran
True, but I don't think he would've called it that way. Look how many plays it took him to call a run in the first half!
Not that I necessarily want Kubiak back next year. But I thought his play calling was completely different in the first half. Maybe it was just having a QB who could make throws and move around though.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Man, do you ever stop and read your own words. You look like a total clown at this point after all of the bashing you did against Keenum before he ever got to start and talked about how stupid everyone else was going to look. He has come into the NFL cold turkey and lit it up on horrible team with horrible coaching. And you're actually saying he is "no Smith" when Smith couldn't even dream about making downfield plays like Keenum has been doing. The fact that you are even trying to compare Keenum to Luck at this point who has had two years now to learn the offense and practice with the starters under a good coaching staff to a practice squad player is dumb as hell especially when Keenum outplayed Luck last night. And then you have the adacity to compare him to Smith and act like he can't even compete with that guy? Lol! You are a total clown.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Calm down gramps, wouldn't want you having a Kubiak on us. Now, feel free to throw up any post where I have bashed or ridiculed any of you Keenum fan boys because I haven't. From the get go I have taken the cautiously optimistic route, and even today I'm not going to crown a guy the future after 2 games, losses by the way. Go ahead and blame a regime, or a game plan, yawn or whatever is sexy today to blame. Yea keenum has only had 2 weeks to learn this offense, oookay Mr angry over here. What is important to you? Stats or victories? Not moral ones, only losers think that way. Go ahead and proclaim Keenum the next big thing and hopefully you don't come crashing down to earth when the team goes QB in round 1.
"Smith couldn't dream of making the throws my boy crush Keenum could make" LOL you are right, he just wins games. Schaub had sexy stats too.
If keenum is this special player he finds a way to win that game last night, oh but wait he's too young and inexperienced to have that kind of pressure, "he needs more time"
Maybe you should grow a thicker skin? I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Keenum will be under the microscope the remainder of the season, and you will go through many pairs of panties if you cry about every critical comment that gets posted.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Stop your lying. What you've done for weeks is exaggerate what everyone said about Keenum's potential and constantly made it into something else and acted like everyone was saying he would be the next Tom Brady when "NO ONE" ever said that anywhere. You've been one of the main ones that has made conversations difficult because you have constantly taken people's words out of context just to make your pathetic arguments against Keemum seem legit. The fact is that you never paid any attention to Keenum prior to him starting and you just bashed him because he was a 3rd string guy and a Cougar that played for a smaller school. You did all of this while thinking Schaub was the better option, and even in this thread you are still doing the same thing by exaggerating people's enthusiasm when you clearly have an egg on your face.
Yes, Smith doesn't throw down the field. He isn't a prolific passer and never has been. He has been benched multiple times in his career and he is winning game with a great defense and a running game. Not with his arm. If you'd actually watched Smith in any season, you'd know this. But clearly you just see wins and feel like whoever is at QB must be responsible for it all and then you sound like some bandwagon listener when you aren't even watching the guy's team play.
You haven't figured out yet that you should be embarrassed to even post here at this point after all of the ridiculous criticisms that you threw out at Keenum for weeks and all of the posters you criticized as well and lied on time and time again. Had you just came out at this point and admitted that you were wrong about the kid and that he has shown that he can play, then no big deal. But you're actually back here still trashing this kid and proclaiming Smith as some sort of benchmark? Lol! LIke I said before you are a total clown and you just want Keenum to fail so you can say that you were right.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I don't need to feel validated about being right or wrong on an internet chat board, and again throw up a post where I went out of my way to bash Keenum or his krew, you won't find it just making an ass out of yourself for not being able to control your anger. It's funny. Since my posts are soooo mean and filled with spite just click the ignore button next to my avatar, you won't be the first or last and trust me, you won't hurt my feelings.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Yeah the komakazi nazis were the worst, then we were forced two A bomb 2 of their fascist nazi cities
eriadoc
Texan-American
You obviously don't realize how ridiculous you sound. Keenum played great, but not great enough to beat anyone by himself. But he isn't losing games either. Same exact statement applies. But whereas Smith has that badass defense backing him up and a kicker that doesn't miss every other kick, Keenum has crap in those areas, and a suspect (at best) O-Line.
The fact of the matter is the win-loss record has very little to do with how good a QB is directly. A QB's play influences it, but so does the rest of the team. Therefore, you end up with QBs that play well, but the team loses while others play poorly (like Smith) and win. Smith did NOTHING for his team yesterday, but they won. That is not a great QB, that is a great team.
tl;dr = Keenum is a better QB than Smith through the past two games.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I can respect that, through 2 games Keenum is a better QB than Smith, I can't argue that. At the same time I happen to feel like a QB has to make some plays in the clutch, to win games. Case has shown some skills, I just wish one of those great plays came late in the game and directly influenced a victory.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Your posts are all over the place dude. LoL! You think I need to go out and find them. I will in some cases, but you have to many for me to even waste my time. You've been one of the biggest Keenum bashers on this site. Hell, I don't think I've seen you discuss anything other subject other then how bad Keenum will look and how disappointed we'll all be if he ever plays. You even said one time that you wanted him to play just so we all could finally see how silly it was to think he ever had a chance.
Well sorry bucko, the game is over. Keenum has played, and he put all of the doubts to rest. He hasn't even thrown any picks and just outplayed Andrew Luck last night. The fact that you still have the nerve to come in here and act like you have a case is mind boggling honestly. The fact that you're even having to compare him to Luck is a compliment in itself to Keenum and yet you can't even comprehend that or make the connection.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
But yet you brought up Smith as a benchmark and acted like Keenum couldn't even compare to him and tried to bring up his wins vs. Keenum's losses? Sorry, but that's conflicting arguments all together.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Well, Case got his team into FG range a few times in the second half. Granted, those aren't TDs, but it's not like he never made any plays in the second half to help his team win. And the inexperience thing is absolutely a valid point, because all players get graded on a scale based on experience. You expect Schaub to be a better QB than Keenum. He's been in the league longer, been a starter longer, and been in the system longer. You expect Smith to be a better QB than Keenum, if you think Smith is a legitimate starting QB. He's been in the NFL as a starter longer and has more experience.
What did Alex Smith do yesterday in the clutch to win that game? The correct answer is he went over to his defense and told them to play better.
I am not and have never been a fan of putting the wins and losses on the QB, because by that measure, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were great QBs and Rex Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
That loss didn't look like it was Keenam's fault. He did fine..the kicker however needs an asswhpiing and a pink slip
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Pretty much. Smith cannot go down the field and other teams don't have to worry about that with him. He is a total game manager.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
You're a liar, simple as that. You got mad at my comment and lumped me into Keenum Haters Club, and nothing is further from the truth. Like I've maintained throughout, I'm not gonna get emotionally invested until he proves he can win games, stats don't tell the complete story.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I'm a liar but in this very thread you're acting like Keenum wasn't impressive because he didn't win the game in the clutch and saying that he's no Alex Smith? Lol! Dude, you're just comical at this point.
Go ahead and make another long winded post about how he doesn't have the arm strength for the NFL some more or another fictitious claim that everyone thinks he is the next Tom Brady.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
speedfreek
All Pro
Just heard something on the radio akin to:
"keenum has the highest quarterback rating in NFL history when
considering only a QB's first two starts..."
He will definitely struggle at some point, but to say he hasn't
hit the ground running is an understatement..
Don't know if it's true, but if it is -- impressive for a guy that
no one gave two chits of a thought about in the draft..
TJ
"keenum has the highest quarterback rating in NFL history when
considering only a QB's first two starts..."
He will definitely struggle at some point, but to say he hasn't
hit the ground running is an understatement..
Don't know if it's true, but if it is -- impressive for a guy that
no one gave two chits of a thought about in the draft..
TJ