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Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB (Yates named #2)

I thought every player competed for every job. If all things are relatively equal, I can see a vet getting the lead. IMO, if Yates and Keenum continue to play as each did against Vikes, Keenum will be the better player. I don't care whom is # 2 as long as he is the better. If Schaub plays as he did 2012, neither back up will get much field time; at least until the end of the season.
 
Texn4life said:
I said in my inital post here I don't know who the best QB is right now, but to me Yates wasn't all that great in that stretch of games he started and wasn't great last preseason. I want the best QB TODAY on the field. Vince Young is 31-19 as a starter, but it took him forever to get another shot. If TJ shows that he's better then fine, but his play from 2 years ago shouldn't win him the job THIS year. Just my opinion.
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It would be great if what we thought was taken into account by Kubiak.... but it's not. If Kubiak was as unimpressed as you were in Tj's performance, he'd have brought someone in to compete with Tj last season.

Since he did not, I assume he saw enough in Tj to think he could be at the very least a decent insurance policy in the event Schaub doesn't play 16 games in 2012. The goal then was Super Bowl, same as it is today.

I mentioned in another thread, completions, TDs, ratings, etc.... or lack thereof are not as important as knowing the playbook, running the offense as designed, getting the ball out on time, & taking care of the football. So what we saw in the preseason last season most likely wasn't what Kubiak saw in the preseason last year.

Before anyone says I'm contradicting myself, I said "not as important" not "not important" If he's got the playbook, runs the offense, gets the ball out on time, & takes care of the football (the fundamentals) + the numbers, that's an A+ grade. If he's got the numbers, but not the fundamentals (as defined earlier) that's a C grade. If he's got the fundamentals but not the numbers, that's a B+ or something similar.

Kubiak can plan around the fundamentals. He can give his team a reasonable chance to win if he can reasonably expect a certain level of "production." We saw it with Tj the rookie, we saw it with the 2012 OL & WRs. It's much more difficult to squeeze out wins if he's got a maverick QB (not that Case is maverick) or wild variations of performance from key components of his offense. We saw that with Tj the rookie as well. We saw it with Jacoby.
 
thunderkyss said:
It's not my philosophy. It's what it is. If Keenum was truly competing with Tj, they never would have brought McGee in (McGee also has NFL experience). Keenum playing as well as he is, is earning his spot on the roster. It wasn't just given to him.

I'd have an easier time believing Tj was competing for his job, if McGee was in the third spot..... but he's not.

& yes, there are still a lot of questions concerning Tj. He's never been given the full play-book in a game. If Matt gets hurt in the regular season, Yates is going to go in & prove to us he deserves to be starting. If he can't successfully answer the remaining questions, Keenum will go in. At that point, Kubiak won't have a choice. He'll have to admit that he's wrong & he'll answer the questions about 3 years back to back with green QBs.

But for Keenum to give us our best chance of winning, Tj has to stop putting up 90+ QB ratings, 60% completions, 7.2 ypc, & start turning the ball over.
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I'll take Keenum's 70% completion ratio, accurate passing and making plays with his feet for 6.9 YPA over Yates' performance. A 62% completion ratio is only great of you're the QB in Buffalo, Jacksonville or Arizona.
Hell, I'm dang near ready to bet my $70K truck that Keenum will succeed Schaub rather than TJ or some future draft pick. I'm also willing to say it will happen by 2015. 2014 might actually be the year due to cap concerns.
 
eriadoc said:
Not in TK's world. Coaches in TK's world do not support competition. They support caste systems.
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Who's competing with Ben Tate?

Who's competing with Ben Jones for the back up center spot?

Who's competing with Brice McCain for the nickel corner?

Who's competing with Garrett Graham as the #2 TE?

Coaches blow smoke. Some make it seem obvious, some catch you off guard.

Some people fall for it, some don't.
 
thunderkyss said:
Who's competing with Ben Tate?

Who's competing with Ben Jones for the back up center spot?

Who's competing with Brice McCain for the nickel corner?

Who's competing with Garrett Graham as the #2 TE?

Coaches blow smoke. Some make it seem obvious, some catch you off guard.

Some people fall for it, some don't.
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I think a lot of Kubiak talk about the QB's is his way of motivating both TJ and Case.

I basically liked how both of them played last night. TJ was a little slow to start, but in the end did well. Case was in control the whole way against 3s and 4s. Let's see him get a shot with 1s, 2s, and 3s.
 
DocBar said:
I'll take Keenum's 70% completion ratio, accurate passing and making plays with his feet for 6.9 YPA over Yates' performance. A 62% completion ratio is only great of you're the QB in Buffalo, Jacksonville or Arizona.
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I would too, if they both had 100% of the playbook. Only Kubiak knows what he feels comfortable asking them to do. He'll never say it, but Yates will be our #2 QB going into San Diego because Kubiak trusts him with more than he trusts Keenum.

DocBar said:
Hell, I'm dang near ready to bet my $70K truck that Keenum will succeed Schaub rather than TJ or some future draft pick. I'm also willing to say it will happen by 2015. 2014 might actually be the year due to cap concerns.
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& I wouldn't touch that bet with a 10 foot pole. I think Kubiak thinks we can win with Yates... I don't think he believes Tj is the future. I think Kubiak believes Keenum may be the future, but that doesn't make him the back up for 2012.
 
paycheck71 said:
I think a lot of Kubiak talk about the QB's is his way of motivating both TJ and Case.

I basically liked how both of them played last night. TJ was a little slow to start, but in the end did well. Case was in control the whole way against 3s and 4s. Let's see him get a shot with 1s, 2s, and 3s.
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He needs Case to understand & prepare as if he will be the #2 QB at some point in the season.

Odds are that he will be.
 
thunderkyss said:
I would too, if they both had 100% of the playbook. Only Kubiak knows what he feels comfortable asking them to do. He'll never say it, but Yates will be our #2 QB going into San Diego because Kubiak trusts him with more than he trusts Keenum.



& I wouldn't touch that bet with a 10 foot pole. I think Kubiak thinks we can win with Yates... I don't think he believes Tj is the future. I think Kubiak believes Keenum may be the future, but that doesn't make him the back up for 2012.
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You need to change your username to Crawfish. LMAO!!!!
 
DocBar said:
You need to change your username to Crawfish. LMAO!!!!
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How am I crawfishing? Your bet is for 2014, or 2015.....

I'm saying Tj will be the back-up in 2012 regardless how well Keenum does this preseason.
 
paycheck71 said:
I think a lot of Kubiak talk about the QB's is his way of motivating both TJ and Case.

I basically liked how both of them played last night. TJ was a little slow to start, but in the end did well. Case was in control the whole way against 3s and 4s. Let's see him get a shot with 1s, 2s, and 3s.
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If this happens - if Kubiak actually sends Keenum in with the twos - then I'll start to buy into the thought that Kubiak is actually considering Keenum as his number two. I don't recall Kubiak doing something like that since we had both Sexy Rexy and Matty Hottub vying for the #2 spot. That's the last time I remember #2 being truly up for grabs.
 
thunderkyss said:
How am I crawfishing? Your bet is for 2014, or 2015.....

I'm saying Tj will be the back-up in 2012 regardless how well Keenum does this preseason.
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um....it's 2013....can't really make a bhet about the past....just sayin....:lol:
 
ObsiWan said:
If this happens - if Kubiak actually sends Keenum in with the twos - then I'll start to buy into the thought that Kubiak is actually considering Keenum as his number two. I don't recall Kubiak doing something like that since we had both Sexy Rexy and Matty Hottub vying for the #2 spot. That's the last time I remember #2 being truly up for grabs.
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I think he does it. He needs Keenum to be a true back up QB for 2013. If Matt gets hurt, he'll be the #2. If Yates don't get it done, Keenum will get his shot.

Keenum is on the fast track to get as ready as he possibly can without playing in an actual NFL game that counts. He will eventually take snaps with the 1s & 2s (however that's defined this year).

But Yates will be the back up come Sept 9th
 
DocBar said:
You need to change your username to Crawfish. LMAO!!!!
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Ok...... now I'm going to crawfish on ya.

Let's say Kubiak really believes Keenum is ahead of Tj, & makes Keenum the #2 to start the season. Then when we get an early lead, he can put Keenum in the game to get real game experience. He has 16 games to get him up to speed.

That could happen & that's a "good" argument against my no competition argument.

Another one, would be Colin Kaepenick. He had no real game experience, or very little, before he was made the #2 in San Fran & he got his team to the Super Bowl. If Schaub leads us to 5-1 or 7-1 type of season, I can see Keenum going in & taking a shot. If he fails, Kubiak can fall back on Yates without jeopardizing our Super Bowl quest too much.

So that could happen. If you think Kubiak is the roll the dice kind of guy.

If you think he's the conservative, run a draw on 3rd & 19 kind of guy, then you know there's no chance in Hades that Keenum will be our #2 Sept 9.
 
thunderkyss said:
Ok...... now I'm going to crawfish on ya.

Let's say Kubiak really believes Keenum is ahead of Tj, & makes Keenum the #2 to start the season. Then when we get an early lead, he can put Keenum in the game to get real game experience. He has 16 games to get him up to speed.

That could happen & that's a "good" argument against my no competition argument.

Another one, would be Colin Kaepenick. He had no real game experience, or very little, before he was made the #2 in San Fran & he got his team to the Super Bowl. If Schaub leads us to 5-1 or 7-1 type of season, I can see Keenum going in & taking a shot. If he fails, Kubiak can fall back on Yates without jeopardizing our Super Bowl quest too much.

So that could happen. If you think Kubiak is the roll the dice kind of guy.

If you think he's the conservative, run a draw on 3rd & 19 kind of guy, then you know there's no chance in Hades that Keenum will be our #2 Sept 9.
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We're not talking about SF. Schaub is def better than A Smith.
I think Kubes believes in what he sees. If Keenum is better than Yates, Keenum will be the back up. See also Arian Foster for clarification. Kubes will play the better player, regardless of draft position,on offense.
 
DocBar said:
We're not talking about SF. Schaub is def better than A Smith.
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Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying if Schaub gets us to 5-1 or 7-1 or something like that, then gets hurt... he can throw Case in there for a couple of games & see if he's got "it"

If he doesn't & Schaub is still not ready, he can give Tj another shot.

I'm just saying Keenum is an unknown & if we build a lead early in the season Tj's experience is less of a factor. OR even without a lead, if Kubiak's plan is to get Case some reps in real games, Tj's experience is less of a factor.
 
just looking at last night, case looked worlds better than yates. his footwork was more crisp. his decision making more quick. his throws more solid. and he really didn't miss a throw except for our receivers dropping balls. even had back to back touchdown throws that our receivers dropped.

yates doesn't look like he has progressed since his rookie year. wasn't even very good last preseason.

but we'll have a better idea of who is more suitable for that no.2 job after the next three games.
 
As a UH Alum, sorry Yates... Im pulling for Case. The dude shows an IT factor... But has yet to play on the level Yates has.

Definitely making preseason that much more bearable watching these two go at it.
 
Tailgate said:
As a UH Alum, sorry Yates... Im pulling for Case. The dude shows an IT factor... But has yet to play on the level Yates has.

Definitely making preseason that much more bearable watching these two go at it.
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Heck, he's only on his second season. I can't wait for next Saturday nite. I really hope Kubes lets Keenum take the 2nd team reps over Yates so we can get a better feel for his progress against better talent. :fans:
 
Bottom line is that I believe that Yates' "experience" at this point in time is likely to be factor, but a very small factor. Based on the fact that this is a "What have you done for me lately" NFL, I feel that the #2 spot will in the end be determined by which of the two exemplifies himself over the other in preseason.......not by a limited and questionable set of performances (seemingly ages ago) that when examined as a total body of work have been far from impressive or truly memorable.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
...that when examined as a total body of work have been far from impressive or truly memorable.
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Kid wowed the crap out of me. Not Kaepernick wow.... but those were some good games & his play was memorable.

But if I were rooting for Case, I wouldn't undersell those performances. I'd rather Case beat out a guy with impressive appearances than a guy who embarrassed the team. Being that Kubiak didn't bring anyone in to compete with Yates, even though Matt's injury suggested he may never be the same. tells us a little about what he thought of those performances & Tj.

If Tj is JAG, it doesn't say much about Keenum if he becomes our #2... if Tj is worthy to start in this league, it would say a lot if Keenum can leap-frog him... maybe he is the heir apparent.




OT: do you think most Texans fans know Case is from UH?
 
i will agree that Yates started off slow, but after his 1st 2 series, he looked good. more accurate, more precise and quicker decisions. Lets see how they do the next 3 games. I still think Yates will be the guy.
 
I find it so amusing that people are still trying to tout Yates as anything other then some career backup.To think that so many in here have argued that he was starter material is freaking crazy and homerish. Especially people who have bashed Schaub relentlessly.

Keenum looked damn good the other night though. I never thought much of the guy when people talked him up, but really hadn't ever watched him a lot so I kept quiet about Keenum. But as far as him and Yates are concerned it's not even close. Yates is a never was, and Keenum has definitely got some potential that I want to see more of. I'm not sure how he could play in hostile situations with top players around the league in mid season, but he definitely showed me that he can put the ball in tight holes and has a quick release where he has the versatility to do a lot. He reminded me of Romo a lot and I've always loved Romo's skill set other then his poor ability to make decisions in the clutch consistently. I want to see more of Keenum at this point. He'll definitely take over the 2nd string position at some point. And when he does, I'd like to see him make a run at Schaub's job. Definitely need to see a lot more Keenum in stiffer challenges though. But as far as intangibles, Keenum looks pretty nice. I finally got a dose of what some of the Case Keenum folks are selling, and if this kind of play continues, I'll be on that bandwagon pretty soon here.
 
amazing80 said:
i will agree that Yates started off slow, but after his 1st 2 series, he looked good. more accurate, more precise and quicker decisions. Lets see how they do the next 3 games. I still think Yates will be the guy.
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Yeah, I do too but I think we'll carry three and that fine. I think by the end of preseason Yates and Keenum will be statistically indistinguishable and the debate will come down entirely to the intangibles. Yates supporters will cite his greater experience and better measurables. Keenum's supporters will point to his progress and I suspect his slightly better ability to create on the run when things don't go as planned. That will be refuted by Yates more on-schedule though less glitzy in the long run style of play.

Keenum reminds me of Chase Daniels from a few years ago when we played New Orleans. I remember thinking I wish our backup QB was playing like that. The other night Keenum was.

Next year we'll be looking at a real legitimate fight between the two unless one gets to play a bunch this year. That could change everything but it's as likely (if not more likely) to mean that our season doesn't end as planned as it is that we see one "break out".

Frankly I hope Schaub plays 16 games +playoffs and that he's the guy who breaks out this year.

And no, I still don't like him all that much. He's the QB though so what are you gonna do other than support him?
 
Hervoyel said:
Yeah, I do too but I think we'll carry three and that fine. I think by the end of preseason Yates and Keenum will be statistically indistinguishable and the debate will come down entirely to the intangibles. Yates supporters will cite his greater experience and better measurables. Keenum's supporters will point to his progress and I suspect his slightly better ability to create on the run when things don't go as planned. That will be refuted by Yates more on-schedule though less glitzy in the long run style of play.

Keenum reminds me of Chase Daniels from a few years ago when we played New Orleans. I remember thinking I wish our backup QB was playing like that. The other night Keenum was.

Next year we'll be looking at a real legitimate fight between the two unless one gets to play a bunch this year. That could change everything but it's as likely (if not more likely) to mean that our season doesn't end as planned as it is that we see one "break out".

Frankly I hope Schaub plays 16 games +playoffs and that he's the guy who breaks out this year.

And no, I still don't like him all that much. He's the QB though so what are you gonna do other than support him?
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After you and so many other bashed Schaub so badly acting like it was impossible for him to ever take this team anywhere, I'm shocked that you would hope that he stays healthy. If you have no faith or confidence in him as far as the post season goes, then I just don't understand why you'd want to see him on the field long term this season. I really have no idea what Keenum can do in tough situations against starters. I definitely know what Yates can do, and I don't want to see a Jason Campbell type of starter for this team ever. Keenum has a wild card style of play that I like I lot though even for a small sized guy.

I totally agree with the Chase Daniels comparison as well. I thought the exact same thing while watching him the other night. I also liked Chase Daniels a lot coming out of college and from what I've seen as a back up with him. I knew that Chase would never really get a good shot though due to his height and size.
 
It seems that there are those here that feel that Kubiak is not really implying that Case will play in the next game behind Schaub this time.....that Kubiak is just saying that both will have lots of reps. But read his Conference quote, and you can see that Kubiak is saying more.:

(on if there is a chance he will bring QB Case Keenum off the bench first before QB T.J. Yates in the next preseason game)“We’re going to talk about that this week. What I’m trying to do is get him and T.J. in the exact same situations as players with pretty much equal reps, so that’s something that may be a topic this week. They will continue to both play a great deal. It’s a very good battle going on and they both did a good job last night.”
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No doubt we will all see what he meant in Miami.
 
I don't like Schaub but I recognize that he's not going anywhere and that he's Gary's guy until he can't go. I think at this point in time that translates into "Our single best chance of reaching the Super Bowl". I mean, sure in a scenario where Schaub goes down again I'd ideally like to see one of the two guys on our roster bust out and lead the team to a title or just even take them to the game itself. One doesn't have to look hard to see what the odds are of that happening.

Usually the team starting the backup out of necessity doesn't end its season with a trip to the White House and rings for everybody. That's all I'm saying. I'll never be mistaken for a big-time Schaub supporter.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It seems that there are those here that feel that Kubiak is not really implying that Case will play in the next game behind Schaub this time......
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I have been implying that Yates will be the #2 come Sept 9, no matter what Case does. I think Kubiak needs to feel he did everything he possibly can to bring Case up to speed because Keenum may be getting an opportunity to show he deserves to start in this league.

Schaub is injury prone.

Schaub is not likely to make it through the season.

Schaub will probably miss 4 or more games this year.

Tj may not be good enough.

If Case gets that opportunity, Kubiak won't let it be an excuse for why we didn't accomplish our goal...... Super Bowl.
 
thunderkyss said:
I have been implying that Yates will be the #2 come Sept 9, no matter what Case does. I think Kubiak needs to feel he did everything he possibly can to bring Case up to speed because Keenum may be getting an opportunity to show he deserves to start in this league.

Schaub is injury prone.

Schaub is not likely to make it through the season.

Schaub will probably miss 4 or more games this year.

Tj may not be good enough.

If Case gets that opportunity, Kubiak won't let it be an excuse for why we didn't accomplish our goal...... Super Bowl.
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Oh, I get it now. You have no clue what you're talking about. Makes perfect sense now.

Schaub is injury prone?? You don't even watch football do you? He's started 58 of 64 games the last 4 years. And those 6 he missed were because some fat guy rolled over and crushed his foot. Matt Schaub may be a lot of things and take a lot of heat here, but he is not injury prone.
 
Speedy said:
Oh, I get it now. You have no clue what you're talking about. Makes perfect sense now.
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We can put it to a vote. I'd bet most fans are not confident that Schaub will play 16+ games in 2013 & most are shocked that he did in 2012.

That might not prove that I know what I'm talking about, but I'm not making sht up either.

If Schaub gets all Gimpy like he did last December, I'd want options. I want Tj ready to go & if he doesn't command the starter position, I want Keenum to take a shot.

To that end, I would say there's a QB competition for the #2 spot instead of saying, "Keenum is most likely going to be the #2 QB at sometime during the year, because gimp there can't pull it together."
 
thunderkyss said:
We can put it to a vote. I'd bet most fans are not confident that Schaub will play 16+ games in 2013 & most are shocked that he did in 2012.

That might not prove that I know what I'm talking about, but I'm not making sht up either.

If Schaub gets all Gimpy like he did last December, I'd want options. I want Tj ready to go & if he doesn't command the starter position, I want Keenum to take a shot.

To that end, I would say there's a QB competition for the #2 spot instead of saying, "Keenum is most likely going to be the #2 QB at sometime during the year, because gimp there can't pull it together."
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Who gives a crap what fans think? It doesn't change the fact that if anyone thinks he's injury prone, they're delusional.
 
Speedy said:
Who gives a crap what fans think? It doesn't change the fact that if you think he's injury prone, you're delusional.
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Right.


Other than the fact that he's injury prone.


Those big DTs roll up on people's feet all the time. Some even stomp on the guy they rolled up on as they get up.
 
For the people saying Keenum has no arm strength, did you watch him play at all in college? The combine thing came out and people have been running with it, but those same people most likely never watched Keenum play at UH.

Some highlights for the unaware:

This one right here was beautiful and hit his man in stride:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaltTgbUxV0

And in stride again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Qqc0z6tnE

And some 2011 highlights here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX5Ji77NMQY
 
Its a credit to Keenum that he was played well and made it a contest.

Though its not like Yates did poorly or anything last game. Yates is still doing just well enough to keep his backup spot. Keenum had lots of shorter dump off passes where receivers had yards-after-catch. And he was playing against 3rd and 4th teamers.

Yes Yates benefited on 1 long pass play that a talented receiver made FOR him, but its still Yates job to deliver the ball there where he can make the play, and he did.

Even without the long TD, Yates woulda still been
12-20 for 118 yards,
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13-18 for 125 yards.

I DON'T want YATES to FAIL. It'd mean that the Texans are a WORSE TEAM with more question marks.

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That said, with the EYE TEST: Keenum has some "pluckiness" about him to the way he handles things. Those rollouts he did were performed very nicely with good movement and execution. Even if its shorter passes, that is as much a football play as anything.

Even with how nice the actual stats are, it could have been ever BETTER. Keenum CLEARLY DIRECTED and MOVED the offense down the field for scores. He did what he was supposed to do. Where Yates worked with a little more talent to aid him, Keenum's players probably brought HIM DOWN.

The UPSIDE favors Keenum. (Gosh, both of these guys are "old')
 
ArTex said:
Its a credit to Keenum that he was played well and made it a contest.

Though its not like Yates did poorly or anything last game. Yates is still doing just well enough to keep his backup spot. Keenum had lots of shorter dump off passes where receivers had yards-after-catch. And he was playing against 3rd and 4th teamers.
Yes Yates benefited on 1 long pass play that a talented receiver made FOR him, but its still Yates job to deliver the ball there where he can make the play, and he did.

Even without the long TD, Yates woulda still been
12-20 for 118 yards,
compared to Keenum's
13-18 for 125 yards.

I DON'T want YATES to FAIL. It'd mean that the Texans are a WORSE TEAM with more question marks.

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That said, with the EYE TEST: Keenum has some "pluckiness" about him to the way he handles things. Those rollouts he did were performed very nicely with good movement and execution. Even if its shorter passes, that is as much a football play as anything.

Even with how nice the actual stats are, it could have been ever BETTER. Keenum CLEARLY DIRECTED and MOVED the offense down the field for scores. He did what he was supposed to do. Where Yates worked with a little more talent to aid him, Keenum's players probably brought HIM DOWN.

The UPSIDE favors Keenum. (Gosh, both of these guys are "old')
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Hitting receivers in stride is a hallmark of YAC. That's a very good thing that Keenum hit receivers short and they had more YAC. The WCO is predicated on that very dynamic. Having low YAC means the QB either held the ball to long or didn't lead his receiver properly.
 
DocBar said:
Hitting receivers in stride is a hallmark of YAC. That's a very good thing that Keenum hit receivers short and they had more YAC. The WCO is predicated on that very dynamic. Having low YAC means the QB either held the ball to long or didn't lead his receiver properly.
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Good points!
 
for those that have not followed keenum's whole's collegiate career, his college situation is similar to his current nfl situation.

in 06, keenum was 2nd or 3rd to Kevin Kolb. After Kolb graduated, Keenum had to battle it out with Joseph Blake. Case did his homework, and eventually beat out Blake. The guy loves competition. It cost him his knee when he threw an interception and tried to take matters in the his own hands. He's got no fear.

Case has a lot of college experience and I've watched his instincts and cold blooded play over the years. There's a reason why, Briles, Sumlin, and Kubiak speak a lot of praise from this guy. His last collegiate game against elite defensive Penn State put the icing on the cake with for 532 yards and 3 TDs.


I'm a Schaub fan. I also like TJ a lot. But it's nice to know that Keenum is working hard. He won't start anytime soon, but all of you guys will see that this kid is the real deal. His insticts, IQ, vision, footwork and leadership are his strong points.



Btw, all of you hating because he's from UH are just dumb. I've always supported all the QB's from this state. I just don't get it.
 
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DocBar said:
Hitting receivers in stride is a hallmark of YAC. That's a very good thing that Keenum hit receivers short and they had more YAC. The WCO is predicated on that very dynamic. Having low YAC means the QB either held the ball to long or didn't lead his receiver properly.
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A difference I was trying to point out between the play of Yates and the play of Keenum. :clap:MSR:clap:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
A difference I was trying to point out between the play of Yates and the play of Keenum. :clap:MSR:clap:
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Got him for you.


I never saw Keenum play at UfH. I didn't go to UofH. I was impressed with Yates his rookie year but Keenum looks better now.

I will BOO Kubiak if he doesn't give Keenum a shot with the 2s this Saturday.
 
When Case was moving the offense down the field they showed Yates on the sideline looking on. The look on Yates' face didn't look like someone who felt he wasn't in any competition.
 
thunderkyss said:
I bet you money Yates will open the season as our #2 QB behind Schaub (baring injury).


& it doesn't even matter how well Keenum does, because there is no competition. Keenum cannot compete with what Yates has... real NFL experience. Real NFL play-off experience.


It's coachspeak & I'm surprised so many fell for it.
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Im surprised you actually believe the crap you typed above.. LMAO WOW! :)

Here's a dose of reality.. There's a heated competition at the backup QB position and the "NFL experience" you speak of, the year Yates got that experience he was the 3rd string QB... behind Matt Lienhart, so it's not like he earned the opportunity through his play, it came to him by the way of injury and he's only been here one more season than the guy pushing him.. so lets not act like he's some grizzly vet entrenched at his position on the team.
 
legacy_gt said:
for those that have not followed keenum's whole's collegiate career, his college situation is similar to his current nfl situation.

in 06, keenum was 2nd or 3rd to Kevin Kolb. After Kolb graduated, Keenum had to battle it out with Joseph Blake. Case did his homework, and eventually beat out Blake. The guy loves competition. It cost him his knee when he threw an interception and tried to take matters in the his own hands. He's got no fear.

Case has a lot of college experience and I've watched his instincts and cold blooded play over the years. There's a reason why, Briles, Sumlin, and Kubiak speak a lot of praise from this guy. His last collegiate game against elite defensive Penn State put the icing on the cake with for 532 yards and 3 TDs.


I'm a Schaub fan. I also like TJ a lot. But it's nice to know that Keenum is working hard. He won't start anytime soon, but all of you guys will see that this kid is the real deal. His insticts, IQ, vision, footwork and leadership are his strong points.



Btw, all of you hating because he's from UH are just dumb. I've always supported all the QB's from this state. I just don't get it.
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Oh, he's from UH. Well, Yates is safe then. :spin:

Just wanted to make my little comment, :) but I was impressed with Keenum.
 
Coming from a completely unbiased Texas point of view, and a completely biased Houston Texans point of view, I'm really happy we have two capable QBs playing behind Schaub.

For one, it's good to have solid depth just in case we get unlucky, and for two, it will keep Matt on his toes. I want Schaub to succeed, but I'm still pretty salty about seeing him throw balls at his feet, even when the play was still alive in the playoffs against the Patriots.

As for the "backup quarterback" controversy, I think Case comes close but Yates wins out at least for this season. The NFL is a "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately?" kind of league, and people remember the last time Yates was given consistent time as a starter, he performed. I still remember TJ's drive against the Bengals that finally clinched that elusive playoff berth. He performed admirably that season with the reps.

Just to play devil's advocate, does anyone remember that play in TJ's first start against the Falcons, play action by design, TJ stumbles initially, regains balance and hits Johnson in stride over the middle deep? Had Case done that exact play, this site would be shut down due to traffic.

Case is talented no doubt (I also understand cheering for homegrown talent, for basketball fans, Wiggins is a big deal right now in Toronto), but he faces an uphill battle as an undrafted QB. For me, and others, you've got to bring Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, and Tony Romo into the discussion when bringing up undrafted yet successful QBs.

For Warner and Moon however, they both had to not only experience failure, but also found playing time elsewhere before being given a shot. Warner was cut and ended up almost completely ditching the sport, but found a niche in the Arena Football League, built up confidence then the rest is history. Moon played in the CFL, was amazing, and then the NFL bid on him realizing they messed up.

Romo is a bit of a different story. He was brought onto a team that didn't exactly have any competition. Chad Hutchinson, who was a baseball player first really, wasn't anything, Vinny Testaverde was brought in to really mentor guys like Carter (who failed his drug test, and was also another baseball guy), and Bledsoe was simply running his victory lap at this point. This scenario and strong support from Sean Payton is what allowed Romo to dart up the depth chart.

At the same time, some people who use Romo as an example of an undrafted QB, have also ripped Romo as a QB in the past. :kitten:

Either way, I think Yates wins out, but if Case succeeds and beats the odds, even better because I know the coaching staff will make the right call for this team. If Case gets it, it's because he earned it, and not because of UH bias like some people. And that's the way it should be, because this team is entering uncharted territory, we expect a Super Bowl now, so we should put forth the best team possible.
 
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