Carr's Quarterback Rating

[Vinny]

i played basketball and football throughout highschool and college and must say i never developed confidene in a blow out. look when the game is out of hand its a completly different game. doesnt mean anything to put up points during garbage time its basically like preseason

On the Bob Allen interview on ch13 Kubiak just said "don't let the numbers fool you" when asked directly about Carr. He said the team will go as Carr goes and need to figure out how to get him to play good the whole game instead of one quarter against a prevent d.

 

[BattleRedRaider]

Just thought I'd take a minute to point out the irony: Sage puts up numbers in garbage time against 2nd and 3rd team defenses, and it's "bring in Sage." Carr does the same and Carr just sucks.

Oh yeah, that's I-R-O-N-Y if I ever saw it.

 

[Tayton]

I'm not a Carr homer and yes you can twist any stats the way you want to but Carr threw 1 incomplete pass in the entire game (3 flat out drops). We can make excuses for why he was successful or why he fumbled but to blame him for these first two losses is insane. We've had no running game and defense is absolutely horrible.

 

[wicked_wayz]

Meaningless statistics generated mostly during garbage time...but whatever, I am sure Carr's QB play was peachy to most homer fans...not surprising given the amount of battle red kool aid that gets consumed around here....2-14 wasnt enough for them...Carr needs to deliver our franchise to infamy with either a 1-15 or God forbid, a 0-16 season...then maybe some of these homers may change their stripes after all....Thankfully, Carr only has this year and maybe next year till we finally make a move and jettison his arse to the NFL scrap heap where he belongs....I personally think we could see him benched if we start 0-5 and his play continues as it has been...please dont parrot garbage time statistics to me either, I know you guys think it validates your opinion of Carr...but honestly, it just outs you as totally clueless fans

you cant win games if the defense continues to play the way it did....if ur gonna blame carr, start with the defence

 

[infantrycak]

In the first year of a new offense there is no garbage time. Our guys need all the reps they can get. If Peyton Manning thinks it's important enough to stay in the game then Carr should be in. This BS about 2nd team and 3rd team is ridiculous. Everyone out there is playing hard to keep their job.

Hopefully those last few drives give Carr and the offense some confidence. Anyone who's ever played sports knows how big of a deal confidence is.

Holy crap--post of the year.

 

[Sarg01]

Sad state of affairs when people emphatically believe they actually watched a great QB performance today.

No one's calling for Hall enshrinement that I hear. Near as I can tell, folks are just presenting that David Carr acquitted himself better than 20 of our 24 starters today. Earl had a pretty decent game (too bad the rest of the secondary got destroyed), Ryans did fairly well and Spencer looked good until the "incident".

You can credit Carr for one of the fumbles. Apart from that, he had a nearly perfect passing game. 22-of-26 with 2 drops and one play where the TE let a defender get in front of him? Sometimes I think folks around here won't be satisfied with Carr's performance until he gets more completions than attempts. Heck, Kubiak's an offensive genius, right? Surely he can arrange that for us.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

No one's calling for Hall enshrinement that I hear. Near as I can tell, folks are just presenting that David Carr acquitted himself better than 20 of our 24 starters today. Earl had a pretty decent game (too bad the rest of the secondary got destroyed), Ryans did fairly well and Spencer looked good until the "incident".

You can credit Carr for one of the fumbles. Apart from that, he had a nearly perfect passing game. 22-of-26 with 2 drops and one play where the TE let a defender get in front of him? Sometimes I think folks around here won't be satisfied with Carr's performance until he gets more completions than attempts. Heck, Kubiak's an offensive genius, right? Surely he can arrange that for us.

I still do not see why we spent so much money on this great talent when the talent is not exhibited. He made easy completions, which is better than them not being completed, sometimes. He gets to start next week and hopefully we will begin to see more of the playbook that leverages Carr's strengths, what ever they are.

 

[hollywood_texan]

I still do not see why we spent so much money on this great talent when the talent is not exhibited. He made easy completions, which is better than them not being completed, sometimes. He gets to start next week and hopefully we will begin to see more of the playbook that leverages Carr's strengths, what ever they are.

I look at it this way, if Carr's 4th quarter performance really means something, we will see it in the 1st half next week against the Redskins.

Let's just wait and see.

 

[HJam72]

Agreed. Carr may not be really playing worthy of those high QB ratings, but he's definitely not the problem.

 

[phan1]

Honestly, I think we've seen enough in that Carr is a good QB, and that the QB situation is not something we need to talk about in terms of changing personnel. He's not a great QB, cause there's no way he could ever win a game by himself like other great QBs, but he's a good QB. He will take the team as far as the team will let him. And right now, his running game is nowhere, our defense sucks as bad as it did last year, and the protection sucks like always. Whoop-dee-doo.

Seriously guys, we aren't losing games because of Carr here. There's a whole bunch of things that need fixing, namely this gawd-awful defense.

 

[Jwwillis]

The 1st sack is on Kubial his counter part read his mind. One of Carrs fumbles was lame. The one where the stepped up and just lost it. I didnt get a good look at the center exchange fumble. Carr still has happy feet, we were all hoping the o-line would give him enough protection this year and it hasnt happened. Carr can make the throws when he has the time and starts to relax. No way Kubiak gives up on the kid like so many fans. The Texans sucked as a team on both O and D.

 

[Zepp1978]

Just thought I'd take a minute to point out the irony: Sage puts up numbers in garbage time against 2nd and 3rd team defenses, and it's "bring in Sage." Carr does the same and Carr just sucks.

True.True...

 

[Nighthawk]

22 of 26 with drops by Johnson and Gato. Yep, Carr should be benched.
Too many of you are simply blinded by hate.

Dear Lizard--

NOBODY hates Carr. A lot of people think Carr is sort of a lost cause here. There's a big difference. You anti-hate guys don't really want to argue the merits of a case, you want to attach people for HATING Carr. Blinded by hat, sez you.

Nope. Carr just isn't getting it done, and hasn't been getting it done. THe QB is a key position for tangibles and intangibles. His talents are substantial, but his tangibles (stats) are mostly fattened in garbage time. His intangibles (will, charisma, leadership) seem mostly non-existent.

Let him try his luck elsewhere, and let us try our luck with another QB. Any QB would do--who could have done wosre today--effectively we lost 40 to 3.

 

[Nighthawk]

Are you guys mental? I mean really.

Flanagan NEVER GOT DAVID THE BALL, WATCH IT, THE BALL HITS CARR IN THE FINGER TIPS, AND CARRS HANDS NEVER MOVE OR PULL OUT EARLY.

I watched it. Carr is jumpy and pulls out early causing the fumble. No question.

 

[threetoedpete]

one fumble was Flanagan's fault as well, and another one was because he got hit while throwing. that could've happened to anyone in this league.

I don't care what the snap count is, the center delivers the ball into the qb's hands....It's the Qb's fault. If Flannagan's out next week, he won't be able to step on his feet.

Kubes wants wins not stats. I'm Ready for Sage to direct this shop of horrors. Carr's suffered enough. Let him go Uncle Bob. Let the man have a chance at a career. give him a buy out and let him go.

 

[threetoedpete]

Dear Lizard--

NOBODY hates Carr. A lot of people think Carr is sort of a lost cause here. There's a big difference. You anti-hate guys don't really want to argue the merits of a case, you want to attach people for HATING Carr. Blinded by hat, sez you.

Nope. Carr just isn't getting it done, and hasn't been getting it done. THe QB is a key position for tangibles and intangibles. His talents are substantial, but his tangibles (stats) are mostly fattened in garbage time. His intangibles (will, charisma, leadership) seem mostly non-existent.

Let him try his luck elsewhere, and let us try our luck with another QB. Any QB would do--who could have done wosre today--effectively we lost 40 to 3.

No we're just weary of it. Quick fix isn't going to work either. But I'm tired of it. Faroh, let David Carr go ! He's suffered enough.

 

[Texans86]

I watched it. Carr is jumpy and pulls out early causing the fumble. No question.

I don't know what game you were watching. Carr was not jumpy on that play. It looked like he and Flannagan got off on the snap count, and Flannagan threw it up there way too soon. Carr didn't even try to close his hands on the ball. He wasn't ready for it at all.

 

[siconik]

Wow, now that Carr's passer rating is way higher then Mannings, Texans should try giving Colts a call and trading Carr for Manning and Dwight.

 

[HJam72]

I don't care what the snap count is, the center delivers the ball into the qb's hands....It's the Qb's fault.

Yes, Carr screwed up there. I don't think the argument here is that Carr was faultless and perfect. He made a mistake, but mistakes were a much lower percentage of his play than they were for most other players on this team and that goes for game 1 against the Eagles as well. He's not the problem.

Someone else said that Carr can't win games on his own, like other QBs in the league. Really? Even Manning fell apart when Pittsburgh got pressure. It's a team sport and a good QB, by this standard of "winning is what matters", is one that has protection, a running game, good receivers, and a defense that gets pressure and keeps the running game under control. Carr has one of those right now. It looks to me like he is doing as well as just about anybody could, under the circumstances. Some may be tired of hearing that, but I'm tired of him not having those previously mentioned requirements; that's what I'm tired of....especially #1.

 

[wicked_wayz]

Dear Lizard--

Nope. Carr just isn't getting it done, and hasn't been getting it done. THe QB is a key position for tangibles and intangibles. His talents are substantial, but his tangibles (stats) are mostly fattened in garbage time. His intangibles (will, charisma, leadership) seem mostly non-existent.

Let him try his luck elsewhere, and let us try our luck with another QB. Any QB would do--who could have done wosre today--effectively we lost 40 to 3.

and who would you suppose we replace carr with??????? look at the mess titans are in once they got colins in.....thanxs but no thanxs i prefer we keep carr.

it ant carr's fault they're losing games....

if you say we should get rid of carr cause he aint getting it done heck we might as well get rid of the whole defense cause they sure aint doing any better

 

[TPIMP]

Yes, Carr screwed up there. I don't think the argument here is that Carr was faultless and perfect. He made a mistake, but mistakes were a much lower percentage of his play than they were for most other players on this team and that goes for game 1 against the Eagles as well. He's not the problem.

Someone else said that Carr can't win games on his own, like other QBs in the league. Really? Even Manning fell apart when Pittsburgh got pressure. It's a team sport and a good QB, by this standard of "winning is what matters", is one that has protection, a running game, good receivers, and a defense that gets pressure and keeps the running game under control. Carr has one of those right now. It looks to me like he is doing as well as just about anybody could, under the circumstances. Some may be tired of hearing that, but I'm tired of him not having those previously mentioned requirements; that's what I'm tired of....especially #1.

I read this board and sort through the garbage that fills it. Occasionally I find a post like this showing an intellegent rational observation. Thanks.

 

[powerfuldragon]

Carr will be ranked among the top 3 NFL quarterbacks with a 115 rating after playing two of the best teams in the league (possibly Super Bowl teams).

That's frightening.

 

[Cjeremy635]

As to who's fault it was on the mishandled snap...it was the center. They said it on 610 this morning that Flannigan couldn't hear the snap count becuase the crowd noise was too loud. END OF DISCUSSION!!! Onto the next topic.....where do we fix the O-line? Seriously, we can't/don't have the worst line in the league. The problem is that everyone has that in their mind. (other teams as well as the fans) They know we have had that sorry excuse for blocking for the past few years and they know that they can pin their ears back and blitz repeatedly and we can't stop them. The question is how do you get them to stop doing that? They don't do it to every team out there. If you lined up 8 in the box on any other team, chances are you get the sack or make the QB throw it away. I'm not saying they are bringing 8, I'm just saying that other teams "D's" have that mentality that they are gonna get us. They think we have a porous line and we do when they constantly bring the heat. Do they do it to other teams as well and they are just good enough to pick up the blitz? Just curious here, I need some insight.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

As to who's fault it was on the mishandled snap...it was the center. They said it on 610 this morning that Flannigan couldn't hear the snap count becuase the crowd noise was too loud. END OF DISCUSSION!!! Onto the next topic.....where do we fix the O-line? Seriously, we can't/don't have the worst line in the league. The problem is that everyone has that in their mind. (other teams as well as the fans) They know we have had that sorry excuse for blocking for the past few years and they know that they can pin their ears back and blitz repeatedly and we can't stop them. The question is how do you get them to stop doing that? They don't do it to every team out there. If you lined up 8 in the box on any other team, chances are you get the sack or make the QB throw it away. I'm not saying they are bringing 8, I'm just saying that other teams "D's" have that mentality that they are gonna get us. They think we have a porous line and we do when they constantly bring the heat. Do they do it to other teams as well and they are just good enough to pick up the blitz? Just curious here, I need some insight.

I think Carr played well, not great. But if you were a scientist you would see that there is one variable which has not been controlled. We have changed staffs, linemen, scheme, skill players yet there is one constant.

Just needs to be pointed out as sometimes there is addition through subtraction. No I do not believe we need to see Sage in at the moment. But if we go south we need to protect the investment for next year or see if the team at large responds to a change at the helm.

 

[chuckm]

As to who's fault it was on the mishandled snap...it was the center. They said it on 610 this morning that Flannigan couldn't hear the snap count becuase the crowd noise was too loud. END OF DISCUSSION!!!

Completely irrelevent, IMO .....

The Colts could've started every possession on their own 1 yard line and we would've still lost ....

 

[DocBar]

3 TD passes when we are so far down that the 3rd team D is in and they don't care if we score 30 points. When David has stats that are actually in a close or winning game I will be impressed.

He needs to lose his tunnel vision and realize that the d-line will be coming.

I saw something yesterday that should give us all hope. DC actually looked off the secondary not once, but at least twice. I've never seen him do that before. Heck, I believe he even pump faked once. I'm feeling a bit better about Carr. He's been very accurrate and throwing downfield more. I noted 2 drops on AJ and one on Cook( on a shuttle, or is it shovel?, pass). He still had happy feet a few times when he had good protection, but not as bad as I've seen before. IMO, he seems to be coming around nicely. I'm ignoring the fumbles on purpose. The Kool-Aid tastes great. You should try some.

 

[SESupergenius]

On the Bob Allen interview on ch13 Kubiak just said "don't let the numbers fool you" when asked directly about Carr. He said the team will go as Carr goes and need to figure out how to get him to play good the whole game instead of one quarter against a prevent d.

Kubiak is going to ride Carr all season like this, no matter who's fault it is, he's trying to make Carr the leader. He is starting to get it:

“I have to play better in the first half. They are plays out there where we get completions, but that is not enough. When you play a team with this good of an offense like the Colts, we have to find a way to do what we did the second half, in the first half.” - David Carr after the Colt game.

 

[Divebomb]

Kubiak is going to ride Carr all season like this, no matter who's fault it is, he's trying to make Carr the leader. He is starting to get it:

No he was telling you people the truth! Carr is not playing well and winning all starts with the QB. When he checks off to the easy 1 yrd play every time and he fails to stretch out the defense we are never going to put points on the board! The DB can play man tight every play because as long as they are running with the reciever Carr will check down to the 1 yard pass. If your QB will not throw the ball to single coverage then you have a major problem!

 

[Battle Red Flash]

For those of you that want to get rid of Carr for his two game performance, you must really want to get rid of the entire defense and the entire O-line.
They are the BIGGEST problems.

 

[ronaldod1]

I dont understand it....

the guy only threw four incomplete passes all day. At least two of which were drops. He had pressure in his face all day and he threw at least 24 of 26 balls on target . He hasn't thrown a pick yet.

sure a lot of them were dump passes, but it's the west coast offense that's how it works......

If you run the numbers Houston (after two weaks against tough opponents) has one of the top overall passing attacks in the NFL so far. It's obviously skewed, but the completion percentage, and lack of interceptions don't lie. It's stupid to even speak of the passing game when discussing this teams problems. May not be great, but in my opinion it hasn't lost the team any games.

 

[Goldeagle]

22-26 attempts and Completes

Team drives, Lundy fumbles (Kills drive)

Team moves, FB Cook, drops a pass (Kills drive)

Team moving, Johnson drops a pass on the quick slant (Kills Drive)

Team moving, Gado drops a nice soft shuffle pass (Kills Drive)

Carr has 3 easy passes dropped and should, SHOULD have been 25-26.



Last week, Idiot Haters said Carr only plays in the first Quarter

This week, Carr only plays in the 4th quarter.

LOL, please leave Houston Sports scene. You look like

 

[rodog]

Last week Carr's QB rating was 102.1 and by my calculations his quarterback rating so far this weekend is 126.7. Not bad for a guy who people want run out of town....

Thats great for David but unfortunalty the only thing that counts is the final score. We are 0-2 but hey David Carr has a passer raiting of 126.7 good for him.

 

[ronaldod1]

Thats great for David but unfortunalty the only thing that counts is the final score. We are 0-2 but hey David Carr has a passer raiting of 126.7 good for him.

The point of the thread is to counteract the people who come on here and start multiple threads about how terrible carr is, and ignore the performance of every other member of the team who played like SH!T.

 

[profan]

Like it or not, the qb is the face of this franchise. When the team sucks, he will get most of the blame. Does he deserve all of the blame? No. When we start winning he will probably get most of the credit. Will he deserve most of the credit? No. This just goes with the position. Get over it.

 

[edo783]

When we start winning he will probably get most of the credit. .

Care to put a little cash on that?

 

[TexansSeminole]

All I know is that if by the middle of the season we dont have atleast 3 wins, we need to put in Sage and see how the team does with him. Sometimes its a leadership or faith problem. Sometimes teams don't beleive in their quarterback; sometimes putting the backup with less talent in can be more effective.

 

[Texans86]

All I know is that if by the middle of the season we dont have atleast 3 wins, we need to put in Sage and see how the team does with him. Sometimes its a leadership or faith problem. Sometimes teams don't beleive in their quarterback; sometimes putting the backup with less talent in can be more effective.

That's a rather presumptious statement. Carr cannot make the defense better (though I'm still chuckling that one poster thought he should), and he might be having a great first half. But it's quite possible that we lose the first six games to more talented teams, who are not coming off 2-14 seasons and most of whom looked like playoff teams starting the season (the Redskins being the only team that has looked pretty bad as of late).

 

[Napa Auto Parts]

it Carr keeps putting up the same kind of numbers he is going to make the pro bowl

 

[Kaiser Toro]

it Carr keeps putting up the same kind of numbers he is going to make the pro bowl

Yes and then we put the pot stirrer in the pot. Virtually speaking of course.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Yes and then we put the pot stirrer in the pot. Virtually speaking of course.

With a Koolaid broth and a handfull of Willie's farm raised mushrooms .

 

[bayoudreamn]

Mostly garbage time stats. And the Eagles showed today that they're not that good.

Bottom line, the team is 0-2 and Carr has been a major contributor to both losses.

There's no way to look at your post and imagine objectivity. It's quite obvious that your opinions have no validity unless one's personal feelings about someone else overriding actual talent is now a condition of validity. You don't like that guy.....so what.....this isn't the Jerry Springer Show.

 

[edo783]

this isn't the Jerry Springer Show.

Kind of hard to tell around around here sometimes.

 

[bayoudreamn]

This board needs to wake up. THE DEFENSE GAVE UP 1000 YARDS (approximately) IN TWO WEEKS. We do have a DC problem....called DEFENSIVE CRAP. 24 points wins most football games....even against the Colts. I've seen some pretty lame blame DC (the usual meaning) garbage on this site. This thread is the absolute jewel. The only area of this football team trying to play worse than the defense is the offensive line. It absolutely makes me cringe to see them play. No team in the NFL gives worse protection or run blocking.

 

[bayoudreamn]

Dear Lizard--

NOBODY hates Carr. A lot of people think Carr is sort of a lost cause here. There's a big difference. You anti-hate guys don't really want to argue the merits of a case, you want to attach people for HATING Carr. Blinded by hat, sez you.

Nope. Carr just isn't getting it done, and hasn't been getting it done. THe QB is a key position for tangibles and intangibles. His talents are substantial, but his tangibles (stats) are mostly fattened in garbage time. His intangibles (will, charisma, leadership) seem mostly non-existent.

Let him try his luck elsewhere, and let us try our luck with another QB. Any QB would do--who could have done wosre today--effectively we lost 40 to 3.

You talk about "arguing merits of a case" and you use "intangibles" for an argument. That's the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[michaelm]

David Carr is rated third in the NFL in quarterback rating.
He has 4 TDs and NO interceptions.
He is 40 of 53 for a 75.5% completion rate.
He is 17th in yardage (not great, but decent).

AGAINST TWO LEGITIMATE SUPERBOWL CONTENDERS.
(please, don't even try to spin these two teams into non-contenders. It will just make you look desperate.)

You can spin your "garbage time" crap in whatever way makes you feel good, but THE MAJORITY of those numbers came against outstanding defensive STARTERS.

Has he been perfect? No, far from it.
Has he looked lost at times? Yes, he has.
Has he made bone headed plays at times? Of course, no one can argue that.

God... there are relevant topics to be discussed here, but you losers can't get over your Sage love...


Party on Garth...

oh, and bring on the negative rep...

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[thunderkyss]

Not only that, but he snapped it on the wrong count. Gannon made that comment on TV that it looked like he snapped it to early. Loud place and probably couldn't hear squat and just snapped it hopping for the best. If it's early, Carr would have been still looking over the defnse and not concentrating on the snap......just like he is supposed to do. The other drop was from a defensive lineman that got through and hit him. He was looking down field...again, just like he is supposed to be doing, and a guy wacked his arm and he (Carr) fell on the lose ball. To try and make a big deal out of either of these is just a real streach of the hateraide going on. If a couple of folks do their job a little better, they don't happen.

I don't want to bag on Carr.......... he had a good game.

But it's always the QBs fault, on a fumbled snap..... makes it easier to count I guess.

But if Flanagan snapped it on the wrong count, the rest of the team sure as heck didn't know, or they're watching the ball. David appears to be the only one surprised the ball was off the ground.

Flanagan didn't really do well, most of the game. But on that play, with one hand, he knocked the crap out of the guy in front of him. Turned him around, put him on the ground. If that's the way he plays on the wrong count, then we need to change the count.

Sides, it's no big deal to say David screwed the pooch on that snap. he's not the only player who screwed up yesterday. He's held to a different standard that's for sure, but he is the QB.

He's coming along fine though..... but his stats are kinda inflated with garbage time numbers. Kubiak wasn't happy with his play for the first three Qtrs, and he believes David is the right man for the job. It should be expected that someguys who never liked him would not be happy with David's first three Qtrs of play.

Last week, after getting sacked three times, he never got his rhythm back, his footwork looked like crap.

This week, his feet looked good, even after the sacks. I know it's hard to forget them, but that's what Carr's got to do. One day, we may need him to lead us to a comeback victory after being sacked 9 times in one game. Guys who do that are special.

Guys who don't, are avg.

 

[Vinny]

David Carr is rated third in the NFL in quarterback rating.
He has 4 TDs and NO interceptions.
He is 40 of 53 for a 75.5% completion rate.
He is 17th in yardage (not great, but decent).

AGAINST TWO LEGITIMATE SUPERBOWL CONTENDERS.
(please, don't even try to spin these two teams into non-contenders. It will just make you look desperate.)

You can spin your "garbage time" crap in whatever way makes you feel good, but THE MAJORITY of those numbers came against outstanding defensive STARTERS.

Has he been perfect? No, far from it.
Has he looked lost at times? Yes, he has.
Has he made bone headed plays at times? Of course, no one can argue that.

God... there are relevant topics to be discussed here, but you losers can't get over your Sage love...


Party on Garth...

oh, and bring on the negative rep...

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I deleted the part where you call people idiots. Try not to personally attack people because you don't agree with them.

The silliest part of trying to define how great a player is with a stat line is that if you just looked at QB rating and didn't watch the game yesterday you would think Carr outplayed Manning. How useless is that stat?

 

[thunderkyss]

All I know is that if by the middle of the season we dont have atleast 3 wins, we need to put in Sage and see how the team does with him. Sometimes its a leadership or faith problem. Sometimes teams don't beleive in their quarterback; sometimes putting the backup with less talent in can be more effective.

Just look at Byron Leftwich......

not nearly as talented as Carr. Not nearly as athletic as David Carr. But his 260 yards, 0 TDs tonight........ is going to endear him to his fans a lot more than Carr's 3 TDs in a losing effort.

I know the Defense has a lot to do with that win......... but Pittsburgh has a pretty good defense as well.

More people are going to give Leftwhich credit for those 3 field goals, than folks will be giving David Carr for his 3 touchdowns.

It's not fair, but Byron bought time, got first downs with his slow fat legs, and made plays.

David threw the ball in five yard chunks....... I know he hit a couple of 10 yard passes, but on 2 & 20 he threw a 4 yard strike, then on 3rd & 16 he threw a 5 yard strike to a WR who came out of the backfield(H-back I guess??)......


For anyone wondering, I'm supporting David Carr. I think he played well in this game, I'm satisfied with the progress he's made since last week, I believe he'll be getting better.

I'm just saying he isn't going to be endearing himself to anyone's hearts, by dumping down when we're losing by 40 points in the 3rd Qtr.

Last week, when he was driving down the field, and he inadvertanly stepped out of bounds 4 yards short of the 1st......... he missed a big opportunity to win some fans....... then the ball getting batted down didn't help either.

 

[Ibar_Harry]

I don't want to bag on Carr.......... he had a good game.

But it's always the QBs fault, on a fumbled snap..... makes it easier to count I guess.

But if Flanagan snapped it on the wrong count, the rest of the team sure as heck didn't know, or they're watching the ball. David appears to be the only one surprised the ball was off the ground.

Flanagan didn't really do well, most of the game. But on that play, with one hand, he knocked the crap out of the guy in front of him. Turned him around, put him on the ground. If that's the way he plays on the wrong count, then we need to change the count.

Sides, it's no big deal to say David screwed the pooch on that snap. he's not the only player who screwed up yesterday. He's held to a different standard that's for sure, but he is the QB.

He's coming along fine though..... but his stats are kinda inflated with garbage time numbers. Kubiak wasn't happy with his play for the first three Qtrs, and he believes David is the right man for the job. It should be expected that someguys who never liked him would not be happy with David's first three Qtrs of play.

Last week, after getting sacked three times, he never got his rhythm back, his footwork looked like crap.

This week, his feet looked good, even after the sacks. I know it's hard to forget them, but that's what Carr's got to do. One day, we may need him to lead us to a comeback victory after being sacked 9 times in one game. Guys who do that are special.

Guys who don't, are avg.

What is even funnier is that they call it garbage time and I keep saying they finally did what this team does well in the 4th QTR. We finally desided to pass the ball and utilize our strength which is our WR's and TE's, then when we ran the ball it was effective because they weren't looking for it. You can either RUN, RUN, RUN to eventually set up the pass, or as I have stated till I'm blue in the face, you can PASS, PASS, PASS to eventually set up the run which is what the great years under Montana and Walsh were all about.

We have put together a collection of some of the finest overall receiver talent in the NFL on this ball club. Don't closit it, use it to your advantage. Right now this is not a running team. That is not our strength. Our strength is what we did in the 4th QTR and it shows you what we can do. There were some very fine catches in that quarter by our players. Daniels, in particular, made a very fine catch. I mean even Bruenner got into the Act.

But did the defense even stop Manning once during those scoreing sessions? All Carr was doing was matching Manning literally TD for TD. That's not going to work if you never stop the other team. Carr is not the major problem right now. The defense, the O-line and the running games are the problem. I would say the running game is not a problem, if the coaching staff would use it the right way.

Gado looked like he could be real effective particulary when the other team is not keying on him. The old adage that you can't see the tree for the forest is so true with this coaching staff and the previous one. Look at what you have, not what you wished you had.

 

[michaelm]

I deleted the part where you call people *****s. Try not to personally attack people because you don't agree with them.

yeah, I know... it's just that the litany of anti-Carr posts is frustrating beyond belief. I know you are not very high on Carr, but even you must admit it's out of control.

The silliest part of trying to define how great a player is with a stat line is that if you just looked at QB rating and didn't watch the game yesterday you would think Carr outplayed Manning. How useless is that stat?

I agree with you about the validity of stats, but the people on the other side of this argument are extremist in their reactions and judgments, and I'm convinced the only way to communicate with them is to be an extremist myself.

I posted my response in what I consider to be the only language they can understand.

Communicating with my 29 month old daughter on a daily basis has taught me that using nuance, subtlety and intelligence is not always the way to get your point across.

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