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Carr's Numbers

Mr teX said:
Well then maybe we should, b/c if they were built to run they've already got PLENTY of capable runners back there & on the bench. Why does the QB need to run? I would think that making sure that you have a sound passing game is next on the list & IMO Schaub brings that.
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you can do that if you want...... in Madden '07.

Them boys in Atlanta think they are going to the NFC Championship game this year, because of #7(is that Vick's number??)

They don't have time to waste on training a QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
you can do that if you want...... in Madden '07.

Them boys in Atlanta think they are going to the NFC Championship game this year, because of #7(is that Vick's number??)

They don't have time to waste on training a QB.
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I don't know why considering they went nowhere last year & have a tough schedule/division. Also you really think that Schaub would need that much training?
 
TXRoalty(sp) is correct IMO. Vick has done more for his team as a PLAYER, but not as a QB, rather as a playmaker (isn't that what Bush is supposed to be). No way is Vick a top 10 QB, but he makes things happen. IMO, ATL would be better off with Schaub at QB, but only if they kept Vick in the game and used him as sort of a slot playmaker who also gets the ball and runs with it and maybe even chucks an option pass or two.
 
thunderkyss said:
you can do that if you want...... in Madden '07.

Them boys in Atlanta think they are going to the NFC Championship game this year, because of #7(is that Vick's number??)

They don't have time to waste on training a QB.
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Despite his obvious defiencies, Vick clearly has more potential, and is being paid a lot more. As has been pointed out he's a sufficiently competent passer in terms of the expectations for an NFL starting QB (albeit lower echelon) and his running game/total yardage production means he still gets the nod until he really blows it. No coach will sit his Franchise Face of the NFL QB for someone named Matt Schaub unless Vick really screws up, and coaches are hesitant to tamper with a winning formula, period. To date he hasn't screwed up enough to make that happen.

I certainly don't know if Schaub would make the Falcons a better team; I haven't seen nearly enough of his play to make that judgment call. As far as DC or Vick, I'd take DC in a heartbeat.
 
yeah i suppose he's right (Xroy.X) but Scaub is 1 of maybe 3 QB's on the bench that could start for someone, so i think he'd be a great fit. Of course Mora won't sit him, b/c as you said he hasn't screwed up enough + the fans love him, not to mention his salary. But IMO if i had to pick between VICK, Schaub & DC, it goes in this order:

DC
Schaub
Vick
 
jerek said:
I certainly don't know if Schaub would make the Falcons a better team; I haven't seen nearly enough of his play to make that judgment call. As far as DC or Vick, I'd take DC in a heartbeat.
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Think about what edo suggested. Schaub comes in as a more traditional good judgment, make all the throws, higher % guy which makes the D's back off the running game. Vick comes in as an offensive weapon lining up all over ala Reggie Bush. D's still have to account for him, extra planning, mismatches--heck he is bigger and faster than either Dunn or Bush--plus every pitchout becomes a much more legitimate passing threat than any half back pass around. That's how Schaub would make the Falcons better--not eliminating Vick but by letting Vick concentrate more on what he does best and less on what he does worst.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Wha?? Huh?? is that really fair ?? To take away his strongest points...and then compare him to everyone else???
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If his strongest points are having the 3rd best running back in the league, and a top 10 defense, then that shows you how much this teams record is attributed to Vick.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
once again...his passing % isn't as far off from some of the better QB's in the leauge...
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Man the more I disect your comments the more you come on out looking bad.

Vicks passing % is 50. He's closer to the bottom of the league than he is to the top. He closer to Kerry Collins and Vince Young. BWAAA! He also ranks in in the 20's in QB Passer Rating, care to guess where he stands in TD's? ROFLMAO, this is a pathetic argument.
 
infantrycak said:
Think about what edo suggested. Schaub comes in as a more traditional good judgment, make all the throws, higher % guy which makes the D's back off the running game. Vick comes in as an offensive weapon lining up all over ala Reggie Bush. D's still have to account for him, extra planning, mismatches--heck he is bigger and faster than either Dunn or Bush--plus every pitchout becomes a much more legitimate passing threat than any half back pass around. That's how Schaub would make the Falcons better--not eliminating Vick but by letting Vick concentrate more on what he does best and less on what he does worst.
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That would be sick...
 
SESupergenius said:
Man the more I disect your comments the more you come on out looking bad.

Vicks passing % is 50. He's closer to the bottom of the league than he is to the top. He closer to Kerry Collins and Vince Young. BWAAA! He also ranks in in the 20's in QB Passer Rating, care to guess where he stands in TD's? ROFLMAO, this is a pathetic argument.
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Why don't you look at who else is around that range...Instead of picking guys like Collins and young...look at Brady, Roethlisberger(Who vick is ahead of)....Im not going to go through that again....If you think his completion percentage is way off from some of the better passer's in the leauge ....o.k....I say it isn't....If you would just look at some of the names that are in the 50-57 % range you would see.....

edit: forget it I'll just post it so everyone can see...
 
infantrycak said:
Think about what edo suggested. Schaub comes in as a more traditional good judgment, make all the throws, higher % guy which makes the D's back off the running game. Vick comes in as an offensive weapon lining up all over ala Reggie Bush. D's still have to account for him, extra planning, mismatches--heck he is bigger and faster than either Dunn or Bush--plus every pitchout becomes a much more legitimate passing threat than any half back pass around. That's how Schaub would make the Falcons better--not eliminating Vick but by letting Vick concentrate more on what he does best and less on what he does worst.
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I can see that.... can Vick run patterns & catch??

heck, even as a Running back in the pro set.... that could be pretty exciting football.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Why don't you look at who else is around that range...Instead of picking guys like Collins and young...look at Brady, Roethlisberger(Who vick is ahead of)....Im not going to go through that again....If you think his completion percentage is way off from some of the better passer's in the leauge ....o.k....I say it isn't....If you would just look at some of the names that are in the 50-57 % range you would see.....

edit: forget it I'll just post it so everyone can see...
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Here is the correct list, nice try, but weak.

Brett Favre GB 56.7
Steve McNair BAL 55.7
Alex Smith 55.6
Chris Simms TB 54.7
Tom Brady NE 54.1
Drew Bledsoe DAL 52.7
Jake Plummer DEN 51.2
Michael Vick ATL 50.0
Seneca Wallace SEA 50.0
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 49.3
Kerry Collins TEN 46.7
Vince Young TEN 45.3
Aaron Brooks OAK 42.9


I see a couple of good QB's in the bunch that for the most part have explainable issues (Farve is old, Brady has no receivers...etc), but Vick looks be on par with his 53% career passing percentage. He's playing at his level, which is below average amongst QB's in the NFL. OUCH these zingers just sting!
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Completion Percentage

Donovan McNabb PHI 59.4
Jake Delhomme CAR 57.7
Brett Favre GB 56.7
Steve McNair BAL 55.7
Tom Brady NE 54.1
Drew Bledsoe DAL 52.7
Jake Plummer DEN 51.2
Michael Vick ATL 50.0
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 49.3

Havefun with those stats SES...
http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/QB-PASSING/2006/regular?&_1:col_1=7
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LOL, and every one of those QB's that you listed has a better career passing percentage than Vick. Keep it coming, you are getting owned!:crutch:
 
edo783 said:
TXRoalty(sp) is correct IMO. Vick has done more for his team as a PLAYER, but not as a QB, rather as a playmaker (isn't that what Bush is supposed to be). No way is Vick a top 10 QB, but he makes things happen. IMO, ATL would be better off with Schaub at QB, but only if they kept Vick in the game and used him as sort of a slot playmaker who also gets the ball and runs with it and maybe even chucks an option pass or two.
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That is a very interesting idea you put forth. You could line Vick up in the slot if the corner plays off of him Schaub could swing out a quick pass to him behind the LOS & Vick could either run with the ball or throw it downfield to another receiver. It would definately give defensive coordinators plenty to think about at night.

Another option that Atlanta could consider is switching QBs in and out & sometimes keeping both in at the same time. They're already using an option attack so why not bring in another page torn from a college playbook. It would keep the defense on their toes. Ordinarily the defense tries to keep Vick contained, but when Schaub was in they'd be more focused on getting to the QB. Can you imagine the look on a coaches face on plays where he sees both Schaub and Vick in the huddle? Even failing that they should at least seriously consider bringing Schaub into a game in place of Vick if they find themselves well behind the other team. The offense Vick is running isn't going to do much for you once your team falls behind a couple of touchdowns or more, but with Schaub in there you have more of a pure passer who can lead your team on quicker scoring drives to get back into the game & give you a legitimate shot of coming from behind to win.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You all can twist the stats all you want to...Vick's passing numbers aren't as high as some others because like I said...the falcons are dead last in attempts/game...But his completion percentage is relatively close to some of the QB's in the leauge who you all consider to be elite passers...BUT that wasn't the point...I know Vick isn't a top notched passer...My point was that he can pass well enough to keep defenses honest...He passes well enough to keep his offense moving......He passes well enough to Win....But You all turned it into a passing argument...THAT wasn't the point....I was talking about QB's Helping their teams Win and If you want to deny that Vick is top 12 at that go ahead....Im not going to argue with any of you about that....
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You surprise me with your defense of Vick. He is an absolutely horrible NFL QB. I've watched several Falcon games and he passes well enough to keep the offense moving off the field after a punt. If he doesn't get it done with his legs, he can't get it done. The Falcons are 3-1 against an easy schedule and that's mostly thanks to the defense. Vick is popular because he is easy to market and an amazing athlete. That doesn't translate to good QB. If he were on my team, he'd be returning kicks and doing his Reggie Bush imitation.
 
Out of all the comments I made in this thread...someone leaves me a negative rep for this comment:

Im done with this argument Doc...have at it with someone else...
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And then their remarks were: "what a wuss"....and yet they didn't leave their name....

IRONIC.
 
that's funny, I just got the same rep. Not so ironic.

But really, there is nothing more to argue about.
 
SESupergenius said:
that's funny, I just got the same rep. Not so ironic.

But really, there is nothing more to argue about.
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Oh wow. Great avatar. I'd give you rep for it but apparently I've got to spread some more around before giving it to you again. I'd use that as a wallpaper on my cell phone if I could.
 
I think Carr does more for our team then Vick does for his team. I might go as far as saying Carr does more for his team than Manning does for his team. Why do I say that, look at the talent around all these QB's. Atlanta has Gibbs coaching that line. So regardless of how many yds. Vick gained the running game would always be solid. Add to that that Atl. has a top 10 D that keeps them in the game. How many game's would Atl. win if they had a bottom dwelling defense. Manning, easily a top ten o-line, WR's forget about it. Defense also solid. Manning does great things, but he also has a ton of great pieces around him. Carr has no dominating defense, matter of fact he has the worst ranked defense in the league. Our o-line is still not the best, but it's improving. Our receiver's are the only unit that really help Carr and he is utilizing them to his full capacity considering his situation. Add to all these things that he has no running game. I mean right now, Carr is the driving force on the offensive side of the ball. Okay, I regress, I don't think Carr does more for our team than Manning does for his team, but their contributions are comparable.
 
First of all Im a big carr supporter but i have to respectfully disagree big time on carr doing more than manning for his team.. i think carr can be great but manning is the Qb of the nfl, not to mention hes calling the plays, giving assignments and call audibles every play.. he tells dungy how its going to be and not the other way around :D Manning runs the show 110%
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I think Carr does more for our team then Vick does for his team. I might go as far as saying Carr does more for his team than Manning does for his team. Why do I say that, look at the talent around all these QB's. Atlanta has Gibbs coaching that line. So regardless of how many yds. Vick gained the running game would always be solid. Add to that that Atl. has a top 10 D that keeps them in the game. How many game's would Atl. win if they had a bottom dwelling defense. Manning, easily a top ten o-line, WR's forget about it. Defense also solid. Manning does great things, but he also has a ton of great pieces around him. Carr has no dominating defense, matter of fact he has the worst ranked defense in the league. Our o-line is still not the best, but it's improving. Our receiver's are the only unit that really help Carr and he is utilizing them to his full capacity considering his situation. Add to all these things that he has no running game. I mean right now, Carr is the driving force on the offensive side of the ball. Okay, I regress, I don't think Carr does more for our team than Manning does for his team, but their contributions are comparable.
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This is the kind of post that turn casual fans into Carr Haters...
 
Cgold said:
First of all Im a big carr supporter but i have to respectfully disagree big time on carr doing more than manning for his team.. i think carr can be great but manning is the Qb of the nfl, not to mention hes calling the plays, giving assignments and call audibles every play.. he tells dungy how its going to be and not the other way around :D Manning runs the show 110%
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This is not to say that Manning is not great, he is, but Carr is doing more for his team because of the lack of other areas in the team that give this team wins. The Colts have a better defense and a better running game to compliment Manning and give him more tools to work with. Carr really only has the passing game right now to get this team going.
 
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