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TMac48 said:Just saw on NFL live they asked the question, "What QB's will we fear in the future?" One guy said Matt Cassel, the other said Carr. They said when he's not not on his *****, he can make every throw.
yeah...respect feels nice.As long as he's looking at his recievers and not the sky, he'll [do well]
Meloy said:David, psst.. David are you listening? I expect 4,000 this year.
This is funny actually, because all of this "issues" have with Carr can be solved with a good system and a good line, something he's never had.hollywood_texan said:Carr makes poor decisions, that is his biggest problem.
His athletic ability is not in question and his mechanics aren't perfect but good enough.
Why would it matter if you have cannon for an arm and deadly accuracy if you can't read a defense and throw it to the right guy? Why would it matter if you are not a leader when you are the quarterback and everyone expects that from you? Why would it matter if you can't step up in the pocket to buy a half a second than just sprint out of the pocket? Why would it matter when you don't throw the ball away from time to time when it make sense?
Carr's problems isn't physical, it is mental!
Kaiser Toro said:It is hard to fathom that we are 32 million into this investment and we are still talking about potential. I mean we're talking about potential. Potential man.
jerek said:Lol. When you put it like that ...I still can't get past the ineptitude of the previous coaching staff and how we really don't know how the hell any of our guys can play yet ... but yeah, I can understand that frustration ...
Honest question though, and forgive me if you've stated it previously and I just don't remember ... if not DC, who would you have liked us to utilize? Abandoning Carr and going either through draft or FA ... Anyone you have in mind?
Kaiser Toro said:It is hard to fathom that we are 32 million into this investment and we are still talking about potential. I mean we're talking about potential. Potential man.
edo783 said:You are so full of disengenouse BS in your posts. You make it sound like Carr is payed at 10X the amount for starting QBs when in fact he is at about the middle for QB that are starters and on their second contract or extensions. Add to that that you NEVER mention all the amounts that others who have contributed little or nothing are/were getting. You have made it VERY clear you don't like Carr because vertually every post you make is some sort of refference to him and his contract when all your intent on doing is to take a shot at him. If you were truly concerned, you would be contantly harping about a BUNCH of other financial leaks that are much more severe based on play time or acomplishment, but of course that doesn't match up with your agenda. Naturaly you never mention that he never had a line or coaches that could find their butts with both hands.
hollywood_texan said:Why would it matter if you can't step up in the pocket to buy a half a second than just sprint out of the pocket?
Carr's problems isn't physical, it is mental!
MightyTExan said:I'll admit, I'm a Carr homer, but that is the biggest issue right there.
Ibar_Harry said:Would you stand in the pocket with the corner stone of the pocket being McKinney? I think our new probowl center will change his confidence concerning the pocket, but remember Kubiak does want him to run actually more than he did. According to the reports, if Carr sees yardage and people are covered, he's to run it.
Kaiser Toro said:It is hard to fathom that we are 32 million into this investment and we are still talking about potential. I mean we're talking about potential. Potential man.
Trade'06pick said:It's kind of like buying a jet and never learning how to fly it and not bothering to hire someone to show you how.
It's not the jets' fault. It is yours.
SESupergenius said:This is funny actually, because all of this "issues" have with Carr can be solved with a good system and a good line, something he's never had.
Trade'06pick said:The answer to all of our offensive woes should come this season. Kubiak is a proven winner. He called the plays in Denver not Shanahan. If Jake Plummer can win in Denver, Carr can win here.
Trade'06pick said:I hope all of you Carr haters are eating crow before mid-season. That will mean two things: the Texans are on the right track and my faith in the man has not been misplaced.
Kaiser Toro said:Super Bowl Champions do not have top tiered Qb's making top tier money at this position in the salary cap era.
infantrycak said:That isn't even close to accurate.
Big Ben (2005) is a top half 1st round draft pick--not as much as Carr but highly paid and due soon for a big renegotiation.
Tom Brady (he of three rings--2004, 2003, 2001) is a top paid QB.
Kurt Warner (1999) was well paid when he won.
John Elway (1998, 1997)--top paid guy.
Brett Favre (1996)--top paid guy.
Troy Aikman (1995)--top paid guy.
Steve Young (1994)--top paid guy.
Seems to me Dilfer and Johnson are contrary to the great weight of the evidence.
infantrycak said:That isn't even close to accurate.
Big Ben (2005) is a top half 1st round draft pick--not as much as Carr but highly paid and due soon for a big renegotiation.
Tom Brady (he of three rings--2004, 2003, 2001) is a top paid QB.
Kurt Warner (1999) was well paid when he won.
John Elway (1998, 1997)--top paid guy.
Brett Favre (1996)--top paid guy.
Troy Aikman (1995)--top paid guy.
Steve Young (1994)--top paid guy.
Seems to me Dilfer and Johnson are contrary to the great weight of the evidence.
Kaiser Toro said:It is hard to fathom that we are 32 million into this investment and we are still talking about potential. I mean we're talking about potential. Potential man.
Its not mental, I am not going to go through this again for the 50 time.hollywood_texan said:Carr makes poor decisions, that is his biggest problem.
His athletic ability is not in question and his mechanics aren't perfect but good enough.
Why would it matter if you have cannon for an arm and deadly accuracy if you can't read a defense and throw it to the right guy? Why would it matter if you are not a leader when you are the quarterback and everyone expects that from you? Why would it matter if you can't step up in the pocket to buy a half a second than just sprint out of the pocket? Why would it matter when you don't throw the ball away from time to time when it make sense?
Carr's problems isn't physical, it is mental!
infantrycak said:Tom Brady (he of three rings--2004, 2003, 2001) is a top paid QB.
hollywood_texan said:I believe Shanahan called the plays last year. I just remember reading or hearing that. Tried to find it on the web somewhere. Let me know your source on that please. I don't keep up with the Broncos innerworkings.
Gary Kubiak, Broncos: He's been mentioned for a number of jobs over the years, and rightfully so. In working closely with Shanahan, he's learned from a guy whom I consider to be one of the top five coaches in the NFL. Kubiak is the guy calling the plays in Denver, thus he's gotten outside of Shanahan's shadow in that respect. He's turned down some chances to become a head coach, and I'm sure he'll do well when the time comes.
Shanahan learned how to delegate. For the last six years, he let Kubiak call plays.
Early in the week, Spurrier resorted to asking advice from another head coach, Denver Broncos’ Mike Shanahan. Spurrier, portrayed by many as arrogant when it comes to his offense, wanted to know how Shanahan handled play-calling duties with Broncos’ offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak.
When Shanahan told Spurrier that the Broncos immediately won two Super Bowls when Kubiak took over calling plays, the second-year Redskins’ coach didn’t need any more convincing.
TexansLucky13 said:That is completely inaccurate! Check your sources before you post them, dude.
You did go through it again.Hulk75 said:Its not mental, I am not going to go through this again for the 50 time.
What question didn't have logic?Hulk75 said:People bring up the same stuff over and over, bring logic to your questions,
From a logic perspective, you state Carr cannot stepup becuase his line sucked. Newflash, Carr's play isn't dependent on anyone else's. It is a team sport but guys have performed and succeeded with less.Hulk75 said:WHY he does not step up=Cause his line sucked, yes it did.
I don't have to be able to read defense, Carr does. And if he could, why did he always dump off the to Dominick every other pass play? Besides, he stated he didn't review game film until late in the season because he wasn't really allowed to audible.Hulk75 said:Cant read a Defense?= How do you know that, you probably have no idea what your looking at or what his PROGRESSIONS are anyways.
This is logical, take hit after hit and you are a leader. I don't think it works that way.Hulk75 said:Not a leader?= How about a guy that takes hit after hit after hit. David Carr leads by his play WHICH HAS SUFFERED DO TO THE SCHEME, that did not benifet anyone but the Running Back.
You say only 4 times, he was sacked about 50 times, so that is almost 10% of his sacks. He is a paid professional and should never make that mistake. In addition, against Indy last year at home, while going for a 2-point conversion, he threw the ball away in the back of end zone when he should have threaded because an interception more than likely would have been meaningless. If has to throw it away every time, fine.Hulk75 said:Throwing the ball away?=How many times would you like him to do that cause last year it would have been a lot and for the last time he ran out of bounds MAYBE 4 times last year for a sack, 4, so I dont want to here about it anymore cause your stretching it.
I don't think Kubiak is an idiot. Where in my post or in my logic did you come up with that? You need to relax dude. As for defenses fearing David Carr, I highly doubt it. The talent level is too close and these guys train all year to be afraid of anyone.Hulk75 said:Question for you do you think Kubiak is an idiot and Darren Woodson said he is going to put FEAR in defenses if they can keep him upright, he has played against him, I think they both know how good Carr can be.
infantrycak said:It is clear in any event that NFL GM's and coaches do not agree with KT's cheap QB theory.
Grid said:it aint my money. 32 million or 320 million.. as long as he has the potential to be a great QB, then im gonna keep expecting him to "turn the corner".
Kaiser Toro said:Yes it is very clear.
I never said cheap. I think value is the operable word here.![]()
edo783 said:Based on your financial management model, you would start a new manufacturing line by leasing the best pick & place machine available and then feeding it old, used and broken parts to make a product with. Then you get P.O.ed that the product sucks, so your crack management team decides to run the boards through it backwards to improve the throughput. Guess what, that sucked even more. So, when the maintenance fee (Bonus) comes due, you would either not pay it or want to low ball it and in either case you would get the middle finger salute as they pull the machine out of production. Then you would go and get some cheap machine and keep on running. Still crap being out put, but at least now it’s cheap crap which seems like what you want us to believe is what you want. (we know better, ya just don’t like the machine so you dream up things to whine about) Of course you would blame the top line machine for not putting out quality products, heck ya paid a lot for it so it should be able to take crap parts and stupid management and turn out a quality product anyway.
A couple of things to ponder:
1. Our starting number 2 receiver is now out with the trash.
2. Our starting #3 receiver is now out with the trash.
3. Never really had a TE. (it’s how you beat the cover two, and guess what, we never were able to)
4. The guy who was our starting LT is now out with the trash
5. Our starting RT will likely be out with the trash in the next couple of weeks
6. A center so bad he was replaced and moved to another position.
7. Our starting RG/RT can’t stay healthy for more than ½ a season.
8. Our coaching staff so bad that most haven’t been picked up even at lower positions than they held here.
Yup, them’s be some quality players on the offense and a real crack management team. For the life of me, I can’t see why Carr couldn’t make us contenders with ALL of that quality to work with. Is Carr perfect….heck no, but show me ANY player, QB or otherwise that doesn’t have some sort of holes in his game. It’s interesting that those who judge players for a living think Carr’s the real deal, but some know nothing fans just absolutely know he is not worth paying to play. Personally….I will follow what the professional evaluators say and ignore the disingenuous and agenda driven ranting of a fan who is intent on creating what would amount to an urban legend by constantly repeating the same erroneous drivel that some folks will just pick up and repeat without looking at what is being said and what is actually behind the statements. If Carr gets the NFL standard of 3.5 to 4.5 seconds to get rid of the ball 85% of the time, on a consistent basis so that he can trust what he will be getting, and the running game is at least average and if he can’t put some solid numbers up, then kick him to the curb and move on. Until you stop feeding the machine broken and used parts, you don’t replace the best that was available at the time you got it, because it isn’t proven to be broken.
aj. said:Hopefully this will be the last year of this inane debate.
If Carr performs well this year, hooray for us. If he doesn't, it's time to cut the losses and go in a different direction.
Kaiser Toro said:It is hard to fathom that we are 32 million into this investment and we are still talking about potential. I mean we're talking about potential. Potential man.
Back when I was in the semiconductor industry, that was the Adept Cartesian Robot. Accurate to a half a micron when placing a glass slide. But who places glass slides? Oh, it's another David Carr thread...edo783 said:Based on your financial management model, you would start a new manufacturing line by leasing the best pick & place machine available and then feeding it old, used and broken parts to make a product with.
Wow........hollywood_texan said:You did go through it again.![]()
What question didn't have logic?
From a logic perspective, you state Carr cannot stepup becuase his line sucked. Newflash, Carr's play isn't dependent on anyone else's. It is a team sport but guys have performed and succeeded with less.
I don't have to be able to read defense, Carr does. And if he could, why did he always dump off the to Dominick every other pass play? Besides, he stated he didn't review game film until late in the season because he wasn't really allowed to audible.
This is logical, take hit after hit and you are a leader. I don't think it works that way.
You say only 4 times, he was sacked about 50 times, so that is almost 10% of his sacks. He is a paid professional and should never make that mistake. In addition, against Indy last year at home, while going for a 2-point conversion, he threw the ball away in the back of end zone when he should have threaded because an interception more than likely would have been meaningless. If has to throw it away every time, fine.
I don't think Kubiak is an idiot. Where in my post or in my logic did you come up with that? You need to relax dude. As for defenses fearing David Carr, I highly doubt it. The talent level is too close and these guys train all year to be afraid of anyone.
Carr has not proven that he is even a good quarterback yet, and he is going to get year 5 to prove it. You can make up all sorts of reasons, but that is just a fact. People in life and in the game of football have succeeded with less than what David Carr has had in his first 4 years as a Texan.
Who cares about Carr anyway? All the Texans need are a strong defense and a good running game, and the rest will take care of itself. Quarterbacks of today don't need to really win games as much as they don't need to lose them to go to the Super Bowl.
Oh, and it is mental for David Carr. Even the guys that say he is going to be successful say he can't be shellshocked. I think shellshocked is a mental issue.
I don't know. In life, Carr seems to be pretty successful. Money, family, great job. Looks pretty good from here.hollywood_texan said:People in life and in the game of football have succeeded with less than what David Carr has had in his first 4 years as a Texan.
Lucky said:In the game of football, who has succeeded with less than what David Carr has had to work with? Really, I'd like to know.