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Bush in trouble for family home in LA?

This is as much a non story as Vince's Wunderlic. In the end, it really won't matter. Either of them. Anti-Vince fans wanted the Wunderlic story to be the end of Vince & Anti-Reggie fans want this to be the same for Reggie.
 
Frak The Jags said:
This is as much a non story as Vince's Wunderlic. In the end, it really won't matter. Either of them. Anti-Vince fans wanted the Wunderlic story to be the end of Vince & Anti-Reggie fans want this to be the same for Reggie.
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Although I agree that it has no bearing on where he will get picked it does hurt him personally from a leverage standpoint on his bonud and endorsements. Moreover, this matters more than the Wonderlic. I will take an athlete with integrity over an athlete with intelligence or lack thereof.
 
The article acts like Bush couldn't grasp the fact that his parents leased a $750,000 house without having the money. That simply makes no sense. If this is an issue of helping his family, I just find it incredible that they couldn't wait not even a year, but the four months 'till Jan. when Bush would sign with an agent and get his first endorsements.
 
If you don't think what is going to happen in the media with Reggie Bush and his NCAA violations will not be a distraction to the Texans...wake up and smell the stink! He will be hounded by reporters and other media reps to give his justification of why the "Reg" can break the rules and get away with it.
 
kastofsna said:
how is he toast? nothing will happen to him.
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Toast on a College level.

He will be forever shunned by USC and it's alumni.

Try working with a work associate who you've just spent the last 3 years with working weekends, holidays, late nights just to land a big client. Then after it's all said and done you get a big job offer from another company. Then after you leave, the client you signed at the other job wants out due to something YOU did. Your work associate will hate you forever. You'll never be allowed back at that job if the new doesn't pan out and the possibility of your new job finding out and they too wind up not trusting you with their potential clients.

That's how. The court of "Public Opinion" will consider him guilty as charged. After games against the Titans he will be too ashamed to talk with Fisher and Chow as they have USC connections. This goes for any USC grad, he'll have to walk the other direction for he will have shamed the university.

Remember Mike Williams. He was invited to the NFL by The NFL due to the Clarett case. Then 5-6 days later the NFL got it overturned. All M. Williams did was hire an agent (which is what most prospective rd.1 talents do). He didn't even have 5-6 days with an agent and NCAA said tough ****, you cannot come back. The rules are the rules are the rules. NCAA don't care if something came back on Montana, they'd strike them too if rules were broke.

Key word is "Prospective" in the rule chapter.
 
i was lookin at sports center last night and it said reggie bush was being investigated by the ncaa ......apparently his parents were living in a 2 million dollar house since november paid 4 by his agent
 
Who Cares.... We may can get him on the cheap now... It's not like he Raped someone like Kobe, before the draft, He was trying to help his family in a average house... F-It... He's going to be Rich BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB**TH!!!! :yahoo:
 
B.Diddy said:
i was lookin at sports center last night and it said reggie bush was being investigated by the ncaa ......apparently his parents were living in a 2 million dollar house since november paid 4 by his agent
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It was $700,000. And it was since 04/05.

Mods, plz merge this to one of the other 3 threads on this issue.
 
He can always say to the disgruntled USC alumni, "At least I'm not OJ."

He'll still be wearing a Texan jersey next season.
 
IM going to the USC Alumni Draft party.. I'll let you know all the scoop, if they boo him or what.... I'll let you guys know.. It's funny too how all the VY Fans are pulling out the rule book about this situation... no matter what you can rip Bush's decision making about letting his folks live in that house, but you can't rip his talent and his good nature.... And at the end folks that's all what matters in the Pros... By the way I love Vince Young; and if we hadn't lost the San Fran game it's would been quite a possibility we had gone for Vince Young instead of Reggie Bush.
 
Frak The Jags said:
This is as much a non story as Vince's Wunderlic. In the end, it really won't matter. Either of them. Anti-Vince fans wanted the Wunderlic story to be the end of Vince & Anti-Reggie fans want this to be the same for Reggie.
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Frak,

Your avatar reminds me of USC Parents Pro-Day. It's where the parents get together with the "Prospective" agents and they get to hold up signs begging to be picked to have their child represented by certain "Prospective" agents. Your picture was taken when Michael Michaels was offering 1% and.........

A Freaking House!!!!!
 
Only time will tell. All I hav eto say is rules are rules. You have to have people smart enough around you to take care of all of this.
 
TreWardTxn said:
The article acts like Bush couldn't grasp the fact that his parents leased a $750,000 house without having the money. That simply makes no sense. If this is an issue of helping his family, I just find it incredible that they couldn't wait not even a year, but the four months 'till Jan. when Bush would sign with an agent and get his first endorsements.
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They could have gotten a back loaded lease, cause every one knows their boy is gonna get paid come April. Its like when Labron James got the Hummer during his Sr. year in high school, what sales man isnt gonna give a potential millionair a back loaded lease.
 
BigBull17 said:
They could have gotten a back loaded lease, cause every one knows their boy is gonna get paid come April. Its like when Labron James got the Hummer during his Sr. year in high school, what sales man isnt gonna give a potential millionair a back loaded lease.
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Does not matter about back loading, that is still an extra benefit. Lebron's example is not applicable in this instance.
 
BigBull17 said:
They could have gotten a back loaded lease, cause every one knows their boy is gonna get paid come April.
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Even if it was a back loaded lease, then the house wouldn't be empty as soon as somebody got wise to it.
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
After reading about Reggie Bush and Co. having agents purchase a home for them durring his college days makes me sick. What a lack of respect for his team, for his School, and for his fans. What makes me sick is how he presents this I am a good kid, raised right, do the right thing crap. He is a scab, a cheat, and his lack of honesty will probably cost his school big time. What if his team has to forfiet their National Championships because the kid could not follow the rules. Jeremy Bloom from Colorado had his elegibility taken away because of small gifts given during a ski competition but he was honest and he did the right thing.
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Frank you're in just about every thread I've read today with a post very much like the one here. It's a sensationalist take that ignores a bunch of the story.

You really love Vince don't you.
 
Therapist: Frank, this is a safe place. A place where we can feel free sharing our feelings. Think of my office as a nest in a tree of trust and understanding. We can say anything here.

Frank: Anything? Well, uh I guess I, deep down, am feeling a little confused. I mean, suddenly, you get married, and you're supposed to be this entirely different guy. I don't feel different. I mean, take yesterday for example. We were out at the Olive Garden for dinner, which was lovely. And uh, I happen to look over at a certain point during the meal and see a waitress taking an order, and I found myself wondering what color her xxxxxxxx might be. Her xxxxxx. Uh, odds are they are probably basic white, cotton, xxxxxxx. But I sort of think well maybe they're silk xxxxxxx, maybe it's a xxxxx. Maybe it's something really cool that I don't even know about. You know, and uh, and I started feeling... what? what I thought we were in the trust tree in the nest, were we not?
 
lenders will loan money to good risks...I'd love to lend him or his family lots of money for the right interest rate based on his earning potential. I don't need to worry too much about his past since his future is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

This may be an issue for USC...but certainly isn't an issue for the Texans. If this is the worst thing you can dig up on Bush....well, this is every bit as bad as the idiotic VY bashing I've seen here.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Even if it was a back loaded lease, then the house wouldn't be empty as soon as somebody got wise to it.
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I know I was answering TreWardTxn statement about how could Bush not know how they were able to lease the house for 750k without the money.
 
I saw this today:

"Days before Bush is expected to be the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft, unanswered questions about the residence and how his mother, stepfather and brother came to live in it within the last year have prompted the University of Southern California to refer the matter to the Pacific-10 Conference for an investigation.

NCAA statutes prohibit student-athletes or their families from receiving extra benefits from professional sports agents, marketing companies or their representatives. A breach of these statutes could result in an athlete being ruled ineligible, and games in which they played could be forfeited."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...U5nYcB?slug=cr-bush042306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

So what I understand is, if the family (bush) lived in a $700k house in California- provided by a sport agent. Is he ruled ineligible- does it mean just for college games or draft. Is USC's season flushed? Other reports on MSN states that the NFL "doesn't care" but I'm hoping someone could clear this up.
 
This has no effect on the draft. If for some reason he was found ineligible, it would be for games in the past season. Not for games in the future
 
If you had a sort of "backloading" exception to the rule, then basically agents would be filling up the coffers of high school kids with "backloaded" payments. It's completely against NCAA rules and it's cheating the system. Sorry but this reflects extremely badly on Reggie Bush - no matter what perspective you take. College players can't take $$$ and they can't accept deals based on their projected future NFL earning power. It really is a fairly cut and dry case here.

It's funny that people will excuse this as no big deal, simply because they like Reggie as a football player. Cheating is a big deal. The NCAA needs to make a serious statement very soon about this kind of thing. I don't like how easily this and the AD stuff is being swept under the rug.
 
Caphorn said:
It's funny that people will excuse this as no big deal, simply because they like Reggie as a football player. Cheating is a big deal. The NCAA needs to make a serious statement very soon about this kind of thing. I don't like how easily this and the AD stuff is being swept under the rug.
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um, this is big news....that must be a huge rug. The NCAA can't put the Texans on probation...so I'm not worried about it. This is a USC issue.
 
I'm just glad this was not VY because their would not be enough bandwith on this site for all the Bush:homer: 's and we would not have access to the site for draft day--even now, there are probally fewer VY posts than Bush posts with this news...
 
BigBull17 said:
I know I was answering TreWardTxn statement about how could Bush not know how they were able to lease the house for 750k without the money.
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My point was, whether it was backloaded, latent, or any other tricky **** a real estate/financial planner could dream up, Bush had to have known they did not have the money for it, and were only receiving the "deal", because he was projected #1 draft pick, Heisman winning back, with an insurance policy on his legs, so they would be good for it regardless.

Honestly, I don't care about athletes getting perks from alumni and boosters after all the money they make for these schools; but a 3/4 mill dollar home? That takes it right there, you can't turn the cheek on that. I don't know how this could affect USC more than having their '05 season erased from the books, as these guys don't seem connected to the university...
 
I think you know what I mean. It's a media story now, but it's likely the NCAA takes minimal action and that USC/Bush get away with it unfortunately. It certainly puts USC on the "institutional control" watchlist and raises a character issue about Bush. I don't think it effects his draft status - but you never know. McNair is big on character. And Reggie's character previously had not been an issue. Combine the character issue with bad numbers from the agent -- I could see a switch going in favor of Mario Williams (not Vince Young).
 
TreWardTxn said:
Honestly, I don't care about athletes getting perks from alumni and boosters after all the money they make for these schools; but a 3/4 mill dollar home? That takes it right there, you can't turn the cheek on that. I don't know how this could affect USC more than having their '05 season erased from the books, as these guys don't seem connected to the university...
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Alright, I'm not commenting on whether this was right or wrong, only acknowledging that it happens in many different schools. In reply to the above quote, I wanted to note that housing prices in California are outrageous. A $750,000 in Houston or the surrounding suburbs is a huge house; however, in California, that is likely about an average size house, nothing excessive.

Just found this link. Average housing price in San Diego is $550,000, so $750,000 isn't a whole lot more comparitively, if you know how quickly small additions increase housing costs. Average standalone house costs $861,759.

http://www.sdhc.net/giaboutus2.shtml
 
So if Bush takes a Bribe, then i guess we should start finding new homes for every college athlete. maybe find Mario Wiliams dad a new car, hook up A.J. Hawk dad with a new boat. What is pothetic is how the Bush-Bandwagon is handeling. Like they handel everything, they revert it back to bashing Vince Young, and slamming anyone who does not like Bush. The guy could have got cought cheating on exams and you people would argue that not everyone is good at taking exams, or you would say "if it were me I would have cheated" LOL You people are crazy, out of your minds
 
Texans86 said:
Alright, I'm not commenting on whether this was right or wrong, only acknowledging that it happens in many different schools. In reply to the above quote, I wanted to note that housing prices in California are outrageous. A $750,000 in Houston or the surrounding suburbs is a huge house; however, in California, that is likely about an average size house, nothing excessive.

Just found this link. Average housing price in San Diego is $550,000, so $750,000 isn't a whole lot more comparitively, if you know how quickly small additions increase housing costs. Average standalone house costs $861,759.

http://www.sdhc.net/giaboutus2.shtml
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This is all very interesting EXCEPT THAT THE HOUSE WAS OWNED BY AN AGENT - not Reggie Bush's family. In other words, staying there is what you'd call a benefit or a perk - no matter what the cost. And in SD, a $750K house is a damn nice house for a couple of low wage earners.
 
Oh and this will be a Texans issue, because it is a character issue of Reggie Bush. I could be like the Bush-Bandwagon and make a reply like "It is the end of Bush comming to Houston, does it hurt" but that is not needed and just shows stupidity. Bush is a cheat, the poop will hit the fan and it will hurt his draft status. You people slam Young about every little indiscression, and look what happens, Bush shows his true colors. Bush is not a class act, he is a scab. He is not a team player, he is a ME ME guy who has now given the shaft to his college, and to all of you guys who are his fans!
 
Good point, how does the cost of a house in California relate to a legit reason to cheat. If they could not afford a house then they should have found an apartment. It would have only been for a year, damn they could not wait. If they needed a house for a cheaper price then they should have moved to Texas and left Reggie in L.A. This, A house cost so much more, is a feable excuse, not even worth the time you tok to type it.
 
Caphorn said:
This is all very interesting EXCEPT THAT THE HOUSE WAS OWNED BY AN AGENT - not Reggie Bush's family. In other words, staying there is what you'd call a benefit or a perk - no matter what the cost. And in SD, a $750K house is a damn nice house for a couple of low wage earners.
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I was not defending the Bush family. I was stating housing prices for the area. $750,000 is not a huge house in California. It is actually what we would consider an average house in Houston. For those not familiar with the housing prices, they might think his family moved into a mansion, which is not true. They moved into an average size home, and if it is a standalone house, it actually might be smaller than the average home.

Please don't accuse me of things I am not saying. Also, the house was not owned by an agent. I saw an interview on Cold Pizza with the author of the article, and the name on the lease is Michael Michaels, who works with some Native American association in California. Neither Joel Segal nor his aid were connected with the house.
 
Texans86 said:
Alright, I'm not commenting on whether this was right or wrong, only acknowledging that it happens in many different schools. In reply to the above quote, I wanted to note that housing prices in California are outrageous. A $750,000 in Houston or the surrounding suburbs is a huge house; however, in California, that is likely about an average size house, nothing excessive.

Just found this link. Average housing price in San Diego is $550,000, so $750,000 isn't a whole lot more comparitively, if you know how quickly small additions increase housing costs. Average standalone house costs $861,759.

http://www.sdhc.net/giaboutus2.shtml
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OK fine. Let's talk average.
If his momma and daddy can't afford average, then they need to do what the rest of the NCAA parents that can't afford average do. Rent a cheap *** apartment and be patient.

I remember being broke and living in an apartment behind Greenspoint Mall. I made it, and I had to get myself out. I didn't have a child freak RB that seemed to be destined for stardom in the pros. I had Government assistance for food, delivery of a child, rent, clothing, etc.... I made it. His folks could've made too for 1 more year.

WTF were they planning on doing if he suffered a major injury. I hate discussing injuries but that would've sucked too.
 
First off, there is no way the bush family took the bribe, it was Reggie Bush. let me guess you people believe his mom and dad worked it all out and reggie never new anything about it. LOL Reggie "Wow nice house dad, looks like the police station gave you that 100,000 dollar a year raise finnaly"
 
Not sure if this has been posted... but his lawyer says that Bush didn't know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2419079
On Monday, David Cornwell, the attorney who represents Reggie Bush's family, told ESPN's Joe Schad that Reggie Bush had no knowledge of the "lease" agreement between his parents and San Diego businessman Michael Michaels, who owned the home the Bush family lived in.
"At this point, I'm not going to get into the particulars of the transactions between the family and Mr. Michaels," Cornwell said. "It is inapppropriate to presume that the Griffins did anything wrong."
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What angers me the most is that about 3 weeks ago I finally came to grips with the fact that Bush is coming. Now this, grrreat. The minute he's stipped of the Heisman and his teams '05 season is striken from the NCAA books, it's only gonna get worse.

Now we're gonna take a "Change of Pace" scat back with "Character and Integrity Issues" with the #1 overall pick.

He'll fit right in with:
A. Cheerleader Mom
B. Enron
C. That Yates b@#*& who drowned her kids
D. That other lady who drove over her husband 10 times
E. Jeff Alm
F. Warren Moon beating his wife
G. Marcus Coleman slamming his car into a tree on Richmond
H. Forgot name-Rocket that was caught w/weed
I. Peek, leaving his playbook in car with car running and it getting stolen

You know what they say about cream, it rises to the top. The stuff on the bottom is crap.
 
I hate it when threads explode over a day or so and I lose track of it. Anyway, from Page 2...
jreal26 said:
It's totally illegal as far as the NCAA is concerned! It's everything that college athletics is not supposed to be about. An athlete, or his family, cannot receive benefits from boosters, agents, or "friends of the program" in this manner. Bush is the reigning "Heisman Trophy" winner, and it would be a terrible black eye to his character. The fact that he would willingly jeopardize the O5' season for he and his fellow teammates would be extremely Selfish!!! Hopefully this story is not true, but if it is this should raise huge flags regarding this guys' character. This screams of a "Me first!" type of guy! This is a huge investment we're talking about, and the situation will need to be investigated. Hopefully the Texans have done there homework already and decided this is a non issue.
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Okay, we all agree it's illegal as far as the NCAA is concerned. But Bush is no longer part of the NCAA. So how are they going to punish him? They can't.

So you look towards USC. This alleged infraction didn't take part in order to benefit USC. It was to benefit Bush's family and the "agent" that was putting them up. It's not like the guy gave up his house so that Bush would play at USC. So where is USC at fault here? How did they benefit from this?
 
So you look towards USC. This alleged infraction didn't take part in order to benefit USC. It was to benefit Bush's family and the "agent" that was putting them up. It's not like the guy gave up his house so that Bush would play at USC. So where is USC at fault here? How did they benefit from this?[/QUOTE]

On espn they basically said USC really doesn't have much to lose....unless they knew about it. In that case they got to play Reggie all year when they knew he was ineligible. That would mean serious consequences but the chances of proving it seem slim.
 
Did you see all the Bush interviews yesterday? I especially liked when they asked him why his parents had moved a couple of days after reporters showed up if it was a legit deal. His reply - we'd been looking for a house for a while and something finally came up.

On a side note: the "good kid helping his family" line is cute and all, but not much of an excuse. Look at it in real world terms, most people go to school so they can help their families after they graduate not while they are still in training.
 
with all the news swriling around about his family housing, it just does not pass the smell test.I really don't care what his handlers are saying to have a reporter show up at you house one day and not say anything to him but two days later the same reporter comes back only to see a moving van at the house packing up and moving out just smells bad.
 
Huge said:
I hate it when threads explode over a day or so and I lose track of it. Anyway, from Page 2...

Okay, we all agree it's illegal as far as the NCAA is concerned. But Bush is no longer part of the NCAA. So how are they going to punish him? They can't.

So you look towards USC. This alleged infraction didn't take part in order to benefit USC. It was to benefit Bush's family and the "agent" that was putting them up. It's not like the guy gave up his house so that Bush would play at USC. So where is USC at fault here? How did they benefit from this?
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I know you didn't! Look, it does not matter that Reggie Bush, USC, or his parents did not know (which I am sure they all did), that is an NCAA rule violation. And yes, USC while they may not be at fault, they will feel the aftershock of the whole matter if the investigation goes against his family. I know it is not fair but rules are rules. So to try and "justify" this action and attempt to pass it off as "oh well" is lame. Reggie Bush is no different from any other student athlete.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
What angers me the most is that about 3 weeks ago I finally came to grips with the fact that Bush is coming. Now this, grrreat. The minute he's stipped of the Heisman and his teams '05 season is striken from the NCAA books, it's only gonna get worse.

Now we're gonna take a "Change of Pace" scat back with "Character and Integrity Issues" with the #1 overall pick.

He'll fit right in with:
A. Cheerleader Mom
B. Enron
C. That Yates b@#*& who drowned her kids
D. That other lady who drove over her husband 10 times
E. Jeff Alm
F. Warren Moon beating his wife
G. Marcus Coleman slamming his car into a tree on Richmond
H. Forgot name-Rocket that was caught w/weed
I. Peek, leaving his playbook in car with car running and it getting stolen

You know what they say about cream, it rises to the top. The stuff on the bottom is crap.
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Yes I too would equate violating NCAA rules in looking the other way while someone bought your parents a nice house with beating one's wife, marijuana, bilking investors out of millions of dollars, and drowning your kids. I am assuming this post is a joke (and if so, ok, I admit I did get a laugh) given some of your entries but given your strong history of anti-Bush/pro-Vince rhetoric, I cannot help but wonder.

Oh, and do you want to send me a check?

As far as Bush not knowing, that is a load of bull and one of the dumbest yet most predictable responses we would have expected him to give. Whether or not Bush explicitly arranged the deal or even wholly approved of it is another story entirely, but of course he knew who bought his parents the house and he knew what the guy's motive in doing so was. I still think that if our staff had every intention of drafting him #1 that they will do so any way, whereas if it was 50/50 Bush/Williams before then this might be the thing that gives Mario the edge.
 
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