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Bush in trouble for family home in LA?

TexasJedi said:
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:lol: my original post wasn't to be derogatory, when I see the name monarch and the way the writing was, I had a flashback to Mr Rogers and hear King Friday talking like that..

but that is funny
 
After reading about Reggie Bush and Co. having agents purchase a home for them durring his college days makes me sick. What a lack of respect for his team, for his School, and for his fans. What makes me sick is how he presents this I am a good kid, raised right, do the right thing crap. He is a scab, a cheat, and his lack of honesty will probably cost his school big time. What if his team has to forfiet their National Championships because the kid could not follow the rules. Jeremy Bloom from Colorado had his elegibility taken away because of small gifts given during a ski competition but he was honest and he did the right thing.
 
#1. Dont point fingers without knowing the whole story.

#2. If he did, in fact, take a free house, I dont see how that makes him "a cheat". Did he cheat at life? I dont think his house was on the field blocking tacklers for him or anything.
 
Yea it does make him a cheat in life. There are hundreds of great athletes whop play in the NCAA and they dont take "a F-ing House!!!" You are out of your mind if you don't think that is cheating, and his credibility as a person is now shot to crap. It will cost him huge in 5 days!
 
you ignored #1. Dont point fingers until you know the whole story.

For example.. just throwing this out there.

What if his dad lost his job, his mother is sick and couldnt work, and he couldnt afford to go to college cause he was gonna have to go find a job so he could help put a roof over his families head.

SO, then lets say that USC said.. no, we need you to play for us, we will give you a house.

Is it against the rules? yes.. is it bad? eh...that is debatable, but lets say yes. Does it make Bush some evil conniving arch-villain that should be shunned by humanity? uh..no.

Personally if I had been in the position I spelled out above, I would take the house, and gladly. I would not give up a college education and a chance to play in the NFL so that I could go work a dead end job and make the bills on some hovel in the worst neighborhood in L.A.. And I would sleep just fine at night too.
 
btw, just went and read the article on Yahoo and it was apparently an "agent" or sports marketing company that is accused of possibly buying the house for them.

Whatever the case.. you need more info before you start taking jabs at him.
 
I dont care if his mom lost her job, dad ran off to Vagas, not a excuse for the guy to take the bribe, lets call it what it is, I buy your parents a house you let me represent you after college. Many athletes have been in much worse situations, plus all his family has to do is seek help from the government just like every other person in this country and they will get unemployment. He is a cheap, and a scab, and if you were in college and your parents rased you right your family would have never let you take that House. He knew he was cheating so I say he deserves no praise, no hiesman, and sure as heck no Texans Uniform!
 
yes yes.. your a judgemental person who thinks their **** smells like cinnamon rolls.. i get it.

Wait for the whole story.
 
The end for Bush has come! Now way we take a cheat, a scab, no way. You people act like this is not a big deal you keep lieing to yourself. This will put a huge mark on his credibility as a person.
 
because bush was given a home warrants him not playing for the texans? great logic. what's next don't draft mario williams because he buys foreign cars?
 
Janus3 said:
because bush was given a home warrants him not playing for the texans? great logic. what's next don't draft mario williams because he buys foreign cars?
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I think the point that is trying to be made by these threads is that if it can be established that Bush was involved in these acts, it is a serious breach of NCAA regulations and casts a shadow over his character. Character questions affect draft stock for any player not just RB.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I think the point that is trying to be made by these threads is that if it can be established that Bush was involved in these acts, it is a serious breach of NCAA regulations and casts a shadow over his character. Character questions affect draft stock for any player not just RB.
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i understand that, but i'm not 100% sure how this will turn out, but id he did in fact accept gifts he did so but for his parents, not for him. don't know how that would work but technically he didn't accept anything, his parents did. anyway, sounds like someone who tried to cash in on Bush, but then his company failed and Bush signed with someone else, and now he's looking to destroy Bush and USC's image in revenge.

Same story, new athlete.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I think the point that is trying to be made by these threads is that if it can be established that Bush was involved in these acts, it is a serious breach of NCAA regulations and casts a shadow over his character. Character questions affect draft stock for any player not just RB.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424...3QLMxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

If you read the article carefully, House was built in March 2005. Bush's family moved in shortly afterwards. So if there is eligibilty issues; it will affect only 2005 season....so we know USC DIDN'T WIN ROSE BOWL. This won't affect their previous championships. Heisman Trophy? depends on their bylaws.

Let's wait on this incident to take its course....probably several months.

Chill on your hatred for Bush , Frank.....He'll still go #1.
 
thanks tex, agree 100%. don't know why all the hate for bush. i guess UT homers are bad there is a better player coming to houston.
 
Amazing - Austin democrats bringing smear tactics to the NFL Draft.
Sounds like something hatched by Ronnie Earle and his cronies. What a bunch
of sleazbags !
 
Janus3 said:
because bush was given a home warrants him not playing for the texans? great logic. what's next don't draft mario williams because he buys foreign cars?
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Oh my God, NO!!! :brickwall :brickwall

That's it. No way we're taking that guy. :)
 
I'm not thinking too much of it until this story grows legs.

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http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
Okay...I guess it has grown legs.

Reports of the family of USC tailback Reggie Bush possibly receiving benefits from a prospective agent in violation of NCAA rules have exploded, with links to the story on newspaper web sites throughout the country. The item also appears on the front page of ESPN.com and Foxsports.com. There was a story about it on SportsCenter, too.
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Amazing that no one has given an impassioned plea for the QB from UT in this thread yet. I thought that shoe would drop any minute. :confused:
 
Not overly suprised it happens everywhere. I mean you can come off the field after a good game and while glad handing the boosters get a little something slipped into your pocket. It is a way of life, is it wrong, probably, but hell college students gotta eat. Anyway the story seems relatively substantial, and the proof is definately there since they were living in the house until questions arose. Dont think it will affect Bush one bit in the draft though. Did not happen on the field and will not affect his play on the field so he should be straight.
 
Coach C. said:
Not overly suprised it happens everywhere. I mean you can come off the field after a good game and while glad handing the boosters get a little something slipped into your pocket. It is a way of life, is it wrong, probably, but hell college students gotta eat. Anyway the story seems relatively substantial, and the proof is definately there since they were living in the house until questions arose. Dont think it will affect Bush one bit in the draft though. Did not happen on the field and will not affect his play on the field so he should be straight.
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I mostly agree, but to play devil's advocate: Does this same argument work for others, like Marcus Vick?
 
Haams my thought would be that his parents made a decision using his fame, whereas Marcus Vick made his decisions himslef. The character of Bush's family would be in question and his would also, just not to a greater extent. The article tryed to make it seem like he did not know, but he went home, he knew his family could not afford a 750K house. On the other hand Marcus Vick was actively making bad choices whether it be giving little girls alcohol or being worthy of a stomping on the field.
 
Just a side note, anyone that played football, were you suprised that when he stomped on old boy's leg that the whole defense did not rush that chump. I mean you guys that did play football you know that kinda S-H-I-? would not fly.
 
Looks suspect. Thursday the guy from Yahoo tried to interview Bush's mom at the house. He goes back Saturday and the house is empty.

They probably moved to Houston by then.
....a red flag IMO.
 
Coach C. said:
Just a side note, anyone that played football, were you suprised that when he stomped on old boy's leg that the whole defense did not rush that chump. I mean you guys that did play football you know that kinda S-H-I-? would not fly.
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Heck man, I was a soccer player - and we'd of cleared the bench over that.
 
Coach C. said:
The article tryed to make it seem like he did not know, but he went home, he knew his family could not afford a 750K house.

I guess now he'll have to decide whether to lie about it or not. Hopefully he comes clean if not he faces more stern judgment. Too bad that might cost USC all their wins and they should revoke his Heisman. The agent could face prison time ala a recent Alabama booster so they are either very cynical and negligent of their own wrongdoing or their is a seriously twisted coup out of Austin. Very sad if true though because he would have let every player, every coach, and basically anybody who represents the school down because of his selfish decision making. For his sake I hope it's just some inane rumor. If not the blow to his psyche for letting so many down could be irreparable and everyone will see him as a cheat wherever he goes. Probably arrogant and self-righteous since we all make very selfish mistakes from time to time but this could be one of the biggest scandals in NCAA history and something he will always remember.
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Where this stinks the most is that he has put his teammates, coaches, and University on the line by having their '05 season amount to a pile of monkey dung.
 
nunusguy said:
Amazing - Austin democrats bringing smear tactics to the NFL Draft.
Sounds like something hatched by Ronnie Earle and his cronies. What a bunch
of sleazbags !
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It's the "October Surprise" of the NFL Draft!
 
It appears by the article that Bush had no knowledge of it, or wasn't involved with it. What it looks like is some scandalous behavior on the homeowner's part and naivity on his parents' part. Calling him a chump and a cheat are going overboard IMO.
 
nunusguy said:
Amazing - Austin democrats bringing smear tactics to the NFL Draft.
Sounds like something hatched by Ronnie Earle and his cronies. What a bunch
of sleazbags !
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Yes Delay and Bush (possibly) are sleazy. They are not the victims.
 
Jack I understand the calling him a chump and cheat part, but to pretend that he did not know his parents were living in a house they could not afford seems a bit of a stretch. Now I have no doubt he was not involved in any of the wrong doings, but he did have knowledge of it, and if he did not ask the question then he will be judged also. I dont think it hurts him in the draft, but will suck for him and strain his relationship with his family.

Haams soccer players are pretty hooligans, not only would your bench have cleared, but the fans would have rioted also. They get down for a good beating in soccer.
 
While I don't feel it will effect the draft, Reggie allowing this to happen was extremely foolish. Had the Trojans won the NCG - Reggie could have cost the school an entire season with his dealings. In the end Reggie may lose Heisman. What is truly so dumb is the fact Reggie and his family only had to wait one year until the millions rolled in -- instead they risk so much for such an obvious payola.
 
i do have one point to say on this....i've said it in the other thread, i dont care, whatever he got his house so great. But i would BET YOU that most of the "understanding" posters on this board would be calling for vince youngs head on a platter for this. PERIOD.:twocents:
 
There's no state income tax in Texas, but who knew real estate was free in California? What an IDIOT. How can you leave the agent that's housing your family out in the cold 1 week before the draft? Reggie has only himself to blame for this leak. If the situation was on the level, why did they move out the day after the reporter showed up? So they could move to the Four Seasons in Manhattan to eat shrimp cocktails for the next seven days. Paging Bob Mcnair, please restock the mini-bar.
 
It doesn't matter what Bush did, the great thing is Texans won't be stupid enough to draft Vince Young just to please some Longhorn homers.
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
Yea it does make him a cheat in life. There are hundreds of great athletes whop play in the NCAA and they dont take "a F-ing House!!!" You are out of your mind if you don't think that is cheating, and his credibility as a person is now shot to crap. It will cost him huge in 5 days!
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1. I think you are being naive if you don't think this happens far more than "Reggie Bush." That doesn't make it right, but it happens. Frequently.

2. I reserve the right to withhold any judgment until the facts of the case have been made clearly known.

3. Cheating is cheating and if this is true Bush should have to pay the consequences, but IMO there is a big difference between Reggie Bush trying to give his family the better life and Reggie Bush juicing or raping women or shooting up a nightclub or what have you. I know that sins must be punished but as long as we are talking nothing more than an NCAA violation (and not an actual violation of the law), this does not IMO too much diminish his stock as a Texans player, and nor should it.

If this is true, the Texans will have a tough decision to make, but because I doubt the facts of this thing are going to be clear for months now, if the Texans were already set on Reggie, then they're still taking Reggie. If it was 50/50 between Reggie and Mario, then well, this might be that extra 2% that makes Mario our pick.
 
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Long-Spurs-Texan said:
There's no state income tax in Texas, but who knew real estate was free in California? What an IDIOT. How can you leave the agent that's housing your family out in the cold 1 week before the draft? Reggie has only himself to blame for this leak. If the situation was on the level, why did they move out the day after the reporter showed up? So they could move to the Four Seasons in Manhattan to eat shrimp cocktails for the next seven days. Paging Bob Mcnair, please restock the mini-bar.
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Just to be clear: In no story was the guy his agent. In fact, the claim only seems to be that the landlord *wanted* some sort of agent deal for a buddy of his but didn't get it.

Which is one of the squirrely things with this story - if it really was a quid pro quo deal, then why wasn't the quid pulled when the quo wasn't signed?
 
swtbound07 said:
i do have one point to say on this....i've said it in the other thread, i dont care, whatever he got his house so great. But i would BET YOU that most of the "understanding" posters on this board would be calling for vince youngs head on a platter for this. PERIOD.:twocents:
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Your'e right, but by the same token, if Vince was involved in something like this, the "non-understanding" posters would be dismissing it. It all depends on your point of view.
 
Get over Vince, the Texans don't need a QB so why would they take him just because he is from Houston? Reggie is getting ripped for this and Vince got ripped for his test score. Big deal, that is all some have to do in the media is rip someone. If the Texans needed a QB I would be fine with Vince, but they have bigger needs elsewhere and simply can't waste the top pick just to satisfy Longhorn homers.
 
who cares where or how the Bush family lived.
He's still worth the #1. GW lied about the CIA leak and I don't see Longhorn fan calling for him to be impeached.:challenge
 
gwallaia said:
Your'e right, but by the same token, if Vince was involved in something like this, the "non-understanding" posters would be dismissing it. It all depends on your point of view.
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I couldn't agree more.
 
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