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Bush deal updates

The 24.5 million is only the guaranteed side. Expect his total contract to be around $50 million or so. Probably less because of the new CBA contract requirements due to length of contracts, so he should make the same amount per year, just a shorter term.
 
Bongo59 said:
CC has told the national media it is Bush vs MWilliams.............both are in Houston by tonight.................he has them rated exactly the same.............he said it..................not me...............he said the deal is all about signability...............Mario is going to be easier to sign............but RBush wants to go at one and his side has caved a bit to get the deal structured under the new CBA...........................i am told RBush will not take a chance on falling...............that is why he is personally coming to houston today..............and the deal will get done................Mario's people know it as well.................................you can hold me to that info.
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Why is Mario coming to Houston tonight if he knows that Bush is nearly a done deal? :confused:
 
Bongo59 said:
i got word Reggie's agents have asked him to come to Houston because it appears the deal is close to done...............5 yrs at 24.6 in guarranteed cash............they still have to get incentive money and the voidable yrs done.............and they are going to add option clauses to extend the deal when they CBA allows it.................looks like you guys truly now own the best RB in the AFC South.....................Mario and Bricks agents have leaked this because now Loomis is on the clock.............many are looking to see what happpens now with slot two.............................congrats.
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This has to be the best indicator that we are actually taking Williams.......
 
killeentexan said:
This has to be the best indicator that we are actually taking Williams.......
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When I hear it from a, let's say, more "accomplished" source, then I will believe it.
 
hollywood_texan said:
The 24.5 million is only the guaranteed side. Expect his total contract to be around $50 million or so. Probably less because of the new CBA contract requirements due to length of contracts, so he should make the same amount per year, just a shorter term.
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NO. 1 PICK CAN GET AT LEAST $27.64125 MILLION GUARANTEED
Okay, so maybe we weren't wrong after all.
On Tuesday morning, we took issue with a suggestion by John McClain of the Houston Chronicle that it would be impossible for the top pick in 2006 to get as much as $22 million in guaranteed money, even though the first overall pick in 2005 received $24 million in guaranteed cash.
On Tuesday night, we acknowledged that we were wrong and that McClain was right. (Tastes like chicken.)
But now that we've cleared up our remaining area of confusion regarding the manner in which the 25 percent rule applies to rookie deals, we'll acknowledge only that McClain was on the right track, but that his attempt to explain the situation was woefully incomplete.
Per a league source with experience negotiating the contracts of high first-round picks, the maximum guaranteed money of $21.2625 million to the first pick is premised upon the receipt of an option bonus that extends an initial five-year deal to a six-year package. If the player is willing to forgo an option bonus and thus sign a straight six-year deal, the maximum amount of guaranteed money that can be paid shoots to $27.64125 million.
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http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
Take it for what it's worth as it's PFT​
 
Bongo59 said:
CC has told the national media it is Bush vs MWilliams.............both are in Houston by tonight.................he has them rated exactly the same.............he said it..................not me...............he said the deal is all about signability...............Mario is going to be easier to sign............but RBush wants to go at one and his side has caved a bit to get the deal structured under the new CBA...........................i am told RBush will not take a chance on falling...............that is why he is personally coming to houston today..............and the deal will get done................Mario's people know it as well.................................you can hold me to that info.
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Hey - how's that 3 team trade working out? You supposedly could be held to that info also? Who was it....New Orleans, the Jets and Oakland? That should go through any day now, right?
 
killeentexan said:
Hey - how's that 3 team trade working out? You supposedly could be held to that info also? Who was it....New Orleans, the Jets and Oakland? That should go through any day now, right?
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DOnt forget about Domanick Davis for "DRob"
 
killeentexan said:
Hey - how's that 3 team trade working out? You supposedly could be held to that info also? Who was it....New Orleans, the Jets and Oakland? That should go through any day now, right?
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I've read a lot of what Bongo has posted (here and elsewhere). He has good info as far as I can tell.
 
If we drafted Bush or Mario, would they get about the same amount of money, regardless of position, because they were drafted #1?
 
Porky said:
Wow. Really? How is Mario over-rated? One scout asked by Espn has Bush rated one point below perfect, and Mario is rated one point below that. I will find the quote.


Edit: here is the quote from ESPN

"a college scouting director whom I swear by told me that Bush is the best player he's ever evaluated, that Bush received a rating one point below perfect on his scale, while Williams graded out one point behind Bush".
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On Casserly's presser on the Texans website, he says that he rated Julius Peppers and Mario Williams, and as a prospect he ranked Williams higher than Peppers. Strong statement. If he really believes that, well then, it certainly should give him a bit of pause.
 
4Texans said:
NFL net work just said that the Texans should have a contract worked out with Bush by Thursday.
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here it is reported by KFFL:

Texans | R. Bush contract expected to come tomorrow
Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:55:36 -0700

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports USC RB Reggie Bush is expected to receive a contract exceeding six years and $49 million.
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Just some more confirmation on what is already being talked about here......


Reggie Bush - RB - CLG - Apr. 26 - 8:03 pm et
NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports the Texans will draft Reggie Bush with the first overall pick in the NFL Draft.
After a "breakthrough" in negotiations Tuesday night, the two sides are close to a deal. Shefter reports Bush could agree as early as Thursday to a deal paying Bush 10% more than Alex Smith's total deal last season. Apr. 26 - 8:03 pm et
 
What is the normal raise for the number one pick for year to year? Is it usually about 10%, more, or less?
 
awtysst said:
What is the normal raise for the number one pick for year to year? Is it usually about 10%, more, or less?
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yeah that's what adam schefter reported the increase would be.
 
Texans34Life said:
6 years, $49 million?!?!

Isn't that a little too much?

What's going to happen to Domanick Davis?
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well its not bad considering Alex Smith got 6 yr, $49.5 mil.
so its actually less than last years number one pick. his signing bonus might have the 10% raise. Smith got $24 mil last year, so which would put Bush's at about $26.5 mil. in this case i dont really think signing bonus amount is really a big deal because unless he is a COMPLETE bust or a career ending injury due to stupidity Bush will probably see the whole contract.l

D. Davis is not going anywhere, atleast for this year. we'll have to see how things work out after that.
 
Texans_Chick said:
On Casserly's presser on the Texans website, he says that he rated Julius Peppers and Mario Williams, and as a prospect he ranked Williams higher than Peppers. Strong statement. If he really believes that, well then, it certainly should give him a bit of pause.
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Williams' measurables are all superior to Peppers', and I believe he put up superior Combine numbers as well. I don't have access to the report (unfortunately yes, no source, sue me) but you'd better believe he has our defensive guys pulling for him.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Call me crazy, but I'll cut Bongo a break. Seems that by nature, trade talks change on a dime.
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I know bongo's background. Listen to him. He may not be 100% right all the time...but he does have sourceful information.
 
Porky said:
Wow. Really? How is Mario over-rated? One scout asked by Espn has Bush rated one point below perfect, and Mario is rated one point below that. I will find the quote.


Edit: here is the quote from ESPN

"a college scouting director whom I swear by told me that Bush is the best player he's ever evaluated, that Bush received a rating one point below perfect on his scale, while Williams graded out one point behind Bush".
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I promise you, if not for this whole RB/VY Bowl and all of the hype these two of generated, you would have heard the name Mario Williams a lot more prior to this week. He would he hands-down the consensus #1 pick in the upcoming draft. He's every bit the "once-in-a-generation" athlete that Bush is and will be a game-changer on D. He's the real deal and he certainly is not as flashy or well known as either Bush or Young, but don't anyone here call the guy overrated. Barring injury he will put up Jevon Kearse-esque rookie numbers, back when Kearse broke the rookie sack record with 15.

And I have officially changed my vote from Bush to Williams as who the Texans will draft. Everything Casserly said today points to it. The more I replay it in my mind the more convinced I am. Will be an exciting wrap up to the week, for sure.
 
Jerek, Mario doesn't want to play for us. He wants to play for the Saints. Kind of ironic that we had this fear that Reggie wouldn't be signable & it has turned out to be Williams.:ok:
 
Frak The Jags said:
Jerek, Mario doesn't want to play for us. He wants to play for the Saints. Kind of ironic that we had this fear that Reggie wouldn't be signable & it has turned out to be Williams.:ok:
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Lol, says who? A guy in the paper? Come on now, don't gas out on me yet.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2535. Watch Chuck talk about Williams and tell me that he isn't leaning toward him. He practically screams it.
 
I really hope that Ferens has a voice at the table this week on what the forecast spend will look like over the next three years.
 
jerek said:
Lol, says who? A guy in the paper? Come on now, don't gas out on me yet.
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Not some guy in the paper. Adam Scheffler. Who works for the NFL. Pretty solid. Come on man, join the dark side:cool:


But the other notable deal soon will be coming out of Houston. The Texans are on the verge of doing what so many college defenses could not -- bringing down running back Reggie Bush.

With significant progress having been made in negotiations for a new contract between Bush and the Texans, multiple sources believe a contract could be done well before Saturday's draft, maybe as early as Thursday.

Bush is expected to receive somewhere around a 10 percent increase over what the San Francisco 49ers gave last year's No. 1 overall pick, quarterback Alex Smith, who landed a six-year, $49.5 million deal.

The breakthrough in the talks is said to have come Tuesday night, during long negotiating sessions between the Texans and Bush's representatives. The Texans played the situation just right, using defensive end Mario Williams as leverage against Bush.

Plus, with the looming House-Gate controversy, Bush's people knew that if he didn't go No. 1, he likely would have slid to No. 4, the spot the New York Jets currently hold. Dropping from No. 1 to No. 4 would have cost Bush millions.

One of the ironies of the whole negotiation is that Bush has turned out to be easier to sign than Mario Williams, who expressed utter indifference at the idea of becoming the No. 1 overall pick. In fact, the idea of going to New Orleans is said to have excited Williams more than the idea of going to Houston.

Williams is enamored with the New Orleans coaching staff, wants to play in the city, and was hoping he would land there. It's no cinch he does. It's still possible that the Saints could opt for Virginia offensive tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who is expected to go in the top four picks Saturday.
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Kaiser Toro said:
I really hope that Ferens has a voice at the table this week on what the forecast spend will look like over the next three years.
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I hope they lock Ferens in a dark room somewhere. This man has overpaid way too many people and I question how he is still employed.
 
jerek said:
I hope they lock Ferens in a dark room somewhere. This man has overpaid way too many people and I question how he is still employed.
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If Cass kept his job, it doesn't surprise me that Ferens has...
 
jerek said:
I hope they lock Ferens in a dark room somewhere. This man has overpaid way too many people and I question how he is still employed.
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Yes, but look at the Moulds situation. You really can't complain on that one. Hopefully that starts a spell of good signings to follow.

We should expect this type of money to be thrown around considering the new balloon on the CBA. Scary numbers at first...yes. But think that the cap was literally bumped up 7 million dollars this year and will continue to increase.
 
Frak The Jags said:
Not some guy in the paper. Adam Scheffler. Who works for the NFL. Pretty solid. Come on man, join the dark side:cool:

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Lol, man, believe me, I'm not trying to rain on your parade. As I have stated many times, I would be very happy to have either Bush or Williams. Both are phenomenal players and will be a big addition to this team.

I'm just telling you that everything in Casserly's speech today indicated to me that he is trying to soften up the blow to the pro-Bush crowd and defend this "no-namer" guy that virtually no one is rooting for, that virtually no one expects, that they are about to choose. Watch the video and tell me you honestly believe that is a man who is about to choose Reggie Bush:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2535

He spends a good 40% of it talking about how great Mario is and the kicker, "if we choose Mario, don't boo him. Boo me." Watch his body language and his eyes when he talks about Mario. Now there is still time and a lot could happen either way, but my gut says we are going Mario Williams, barring any problems in signing the guy.

And so what if Adam whoever says that Mario doesn't want to be here, or that Bush is all but signed? People have been reporting things for weeks (e.g. Kubiak couldn't get enough of Vince, McNair was enamored, Reggie wanted 30M, Reggie cheats, Mario wants to go to NO -- btw, who honestly would choose to play in NO over here -- this and that, bla bla bla). And as I said, until Tags himself announces that we have drafted Reggie Bush, come this Saturday, I will not believe it.
 
TEXANS84 said:
Yes, but look at the Moulds situation. You really can't complain on that one. Hopefully that starts a spell of good signings to follow.

We should expect this type of money to be thrown around considering the new balloon on the CBA. Scary numbers at first...yes. But think that the cap was literally bumped up 7 million dollars this year and will continue to increase.
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No no, I wasn't complaing about Moulds. He was overpaid a little sure, but I like the guy and he is a well-proven veteran with a lot of lead left in the pencil. Of course he will command a certain premium and I think he was a worthwhile acquisition.

I was referring to guys like Todd Wade, Morlon Greenwood, Gary Walker ... most recent among too many others. And for the record yes, either Bush or Williams will command an exorbitant salary, and I'm not too worried about shelling out for either of them: it's just the nature of the game when you draft #1. I just think Ferens has proven his incompetence too many times and I don't understand why it doesn't appear to be questioned.
 
jerek said:
Lol, man, believe me, I'm trying to rain on your parade. As I have stated many times, I would be very happy to have either Bush or Williams. Both are phenomenal players and will be a big addition to this team.

I'm just telling you that everything in Casserly's speech today indicated to me that he is trying to soften up the blow to the pro-Bush crowd and defend this "no-namer" guy that virtually no one is rooting for, that virtually no one expects, that they are about to choose. Watch the video and tell me you honestly believe that is a man who is about to choose Reggie Bush:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2535

He spends a good 40% of it talking about how great Mario is and the kicker, "if we choose Mario, don't boo him. Boo me." Watch his body language and his eyes when he talks about Mario. Now there is still time and a lot could happen either way, but my gut says we are going Mario Williams, barring any problems in signing the guy.

And so what if Adam whoever says that Mario doesn't want to be here, or that Bush is all but signed? People have been reporting things for weeks (e.g. Kubiak couldn't get enough of Vince, McNair was enamored, Reggie wanted 30M, Reggie cheats, Mario wants to go to NO -- btw, who honestly would choose to play in NO over here -- this and that, bla bla bla). And as I said, until Tags himself announces that we have drafted Reggie Bush, come this Saturday, I will not believe it.
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OK man, that is your choice.
 
Frak The Jags said:
OK man, that is your choice.
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Damn, I meant "not trying to rain" ... sorry if that came across the wrong way. You know I am great with either one, I just think the FO is practically broadcasting for MW right now.
 
another thing to keep in mind here is that reggie bush just signed a huge contract with adidas...i didn't hear what the numbers were on the contract but i do know that supposedly it was the highest endourcement deal for a football rookie ever...something like king james like contract...so money shouldn't be his biggest concern
 
I figured that was what you meant. I mean, I know you aren't Frank The Tank or Thunderkyss, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I do agree that Casserly sounded like he was setting himself up to be the fall guy if MW doesnt work out. Especially since, if the rumors are true, he will be gone. If we come to agreements with both of them before the draft, then I will wonder. But if only Bush has agreed, I think it is a pretty safe bet.:twocents:
 
Frak The Jags said:
I figured that was what you meant. I mean, I know you aren't Frank The Tank or Thunderkyss, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I do agree that Casserly sounded like he was setting himself up to be the fall guy if MW doesnt work out. Especially since, if the rumors are true, he will be gone. If we come to agreements with both of them before the draft, then I will wonder. But if only Bush has agreed, I think it is a pretty safe bet.:twocents:
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For sure, Casserly pretty directly stated that signability was a key for the FO and if one signs and the other does not they will almost certainly go with whoever has signed. Personally I do not see either one holding out on us.
 
jerek said:
Damn, I meant "not trying to rain" ... sorry if that came across the wrong way. You know I am great with either one, I just think the FO is practically broadcasting for MW right now.
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actually the way news is coming out it seems like we were using williams as leverage, and would have drafted him only and only if bush was being unreasonable. look what the chronicle is going to say tomorrow.

For the first time since they exchanged opening proposals with Joel Segal, who represents Bush, progress has been made in negotiations, which could lead to a deal's being agreed on before the draft begins at 11 a.m. Saturday.


Ben Dogra, who represents Williams, has yet to enter negotiations. Williams' camp believes the Texans plan to select Bush.
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jerek said:
Lol, man, believe me, I'm not trying to rain on your parade. As I have stated many times, I would be very happy to have either Bush or Williams. Both are phenomenal players and will be a big addition to this team.

I'm just telling you that everything in Casserly's speech today indicated to me that he is trying to soften up the blow to the pro-Bush crowd and defend this "no-namer" guy that virtually no one is rooting for, that virtually no one expects, that they are about to choose. Watch the video and tell me you honestly believe that is a man who is about to choose Reggie Bush:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2535

He spends a good 40% of it talking about how great Mario is and the kicker, "if we choose Mario, don't boo him. Boo me." Watch his body language and his eyes when he talks about Mario. Now there is still time and a lot could happen either way, but my gut says we are going Mario Williams, barring any problems in signing the guy.

And so what if Adam whoever says that Mario doesn't want to be here, or that Bush is all but signed? People have been reporting things for weeks (e.g. Kubiak couldn't get enough of Vince, McNair was enamored, Reggie wanted 30M, Reggie cheats, Mario wants to go to NO -- btw, who honestly would choose to play in NO over here -- this and that, bla bla bla). And as I said, until Tags himself announces that we have drafted Reggie Bush, come this Saturday, I will not believe it.
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Poker face, man, poker face. And their is a huge tell that proves to me that we're drafting Bush: he talks about the other person. This is strategy has been done by Texans management, they talk about a person that they don't ever intend on drafting. From that video link, its as obivous to me as it isn't to you that the Texans are picking Bush #1
 
I emailed McClain about the contract stuff & he replied. Here it is:

John,
I heard on NFL Total Access that Adam Scheffler said the deal is pretty much done with Reggie. $24.6 guaranteed & $49.5 million over five years with a team option for the sixth year. He also stated that Mario Williams would rather play for New Orleans. Can you confirm nor deny any of this? Thanks for your time, as I know you are really busy this time of year.

PS, could you talk about the Texans a little more and the Titans a little less? Just some honest criticism. Thanks again.
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He replied with:

Mike,

I talk about whatever people ask me. If they ask me about the Texans, which they almost always do because that's the team I cover, I try to answer. If they ask about the Titans, I try to answer. If Vince goes to the Titans, prepare for a lot of Titans talk.

As for Adam's report, it's true. Can't be 24.6 guaranteed this year, though. Max is less than 22.

Williams has never been involved in negotiations because his agent won't negotiate because it's a smokescreen.

Thanks for writing.

john
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Don't think he liked my Titans comment, lol. So, form what he is saying, Bush is ready to sign, but for 22 guaranteed? I'll take it!
 
john mcclain is a douche, i can't stand his writing. it's like he's scared to speak his mind so he takes the easy route out.
 
jerek said:
Lol, says who? A guy in the paper? Come on now, don't gas out on me yet.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2535. Watch Chuck talk about Williams and tell me that he isn't leaning toward him. He practically screams it.
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Actually this was from Williams diary on nfl.com stating he prefers New Orleans out of all the teams he's visited.

" Everything is still up in the air. The way the business is, I'm not exactly sure what's going on. No one team stands out above the rest as far as a feeling goes, but with the Saints I really liked (defensive line) coach Marion (Hobby). He's a good guy and I think I would fit well into their 4-3 scheme. The one that sticks out is San Francisco. They don't typically run a 4-3. It's a mix of 4-3 and 3-4. But the technique they would have me play would work well."
I thought it was interesting He never once mentioned the Texans in this article...:confused:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9393357
 
texansgal8 said:
Actually this was from Williams diary on nfl.com stating he prefers New Orleans out of all the teams he's visited.

" Everything is still up in the air. The way the business is, I'm not exactly sure what's going on. No one team stands out above the rest as far as a feeling goes, but with the Saints I really liked (defensive line) coach Marion (Hobby). He's a good guy and I think I would fit well into their 4-3 scheme. The one that sticks out is San Francisco. They don't typically run a 4-3. It's a mix of 4-3 and 3-4. But the technique they would have me play would work well."
I thought it was interesting He never once mentioned the Texans in this article...:confused:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9393357
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How could anyone deduce that he likes NO over being the #1 pick for the Texans from that article? The White House and their loyal followers, yes. Sane people, no.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
How could anyone deduce that he likes NO over being the #1 pick for the Texans from that article? The White House and their loyal followers, yes. Sane people, no.
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He also didn't even mention the Texans in that article....But he mentioned New Orleans...So how could you not think he prefers New Orleans over us???
 
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